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Dave Chappelle's new Netflix special Sticks & Stones....what u think?

durham said:
But damn Dave called folks N..s left and right, called people the alphabet crew and bisexuals gross..... No other comic could have been paid that much money, for this commentary, that is for sure. Jemele is picking and chosing on her outrage. I wonder if she uses the word N..a in her daily life? Man she is missing a step lately, something happened as part of her ESPN settlement, her former biting critiques are not as sharp and deep.

As Dave said YOU CLICKED ON MY FACE :roflmao::roflmao:

On the abortion angle, Dave said he was pro-life, but said men should have the right to not pay if you abort a child against HIS wishes as the man. Rights cant just be about women...the way he made that point was HILARIOUS
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He didn't say bisexuals were gross, he said gays & lesbians think they are gross. Just want to clarify that because some offended person might try to say he said the former, when it was the latter (and obviously he's not the official spokesperson for them G's and them L's :lol: )

On the abortion joke you might need to watch that again. He's not pro-life, and he said men should not have to pay if the chick chooses to KEEP the child against a man's wishes. "If you can kill him, I can at least abandon him" :lol:
 
Watched it. Can't say i loved it. I like how he basically put a fork in some issues he was dealing with and addressed some issues about today's society, but overall, i wouldnt watch it twice with any enthusiasm. None of it offended me, though, just didnt care for the redundancy of some issues.
 
Silencer said:
He didn't say bisexuals were gross, he said gays & lesbians think they are gross. Just want to clarify that because some offended person might try to say he said the former, when it was the latter (and obviously he's not the official spokesperson for them G's and them L's :lol: )

On the abortion joke you might need to watch that again. He's not pro-life, and he said men should not have to pay if the chick chooses to KEEP the child against a man's wishes. "If you can kill him, I can at least abandon him" :lol:
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You are correct :yes::yes::lol::lol::lol:
 
White people watched the Chappelle Show and thought Chappelle was their "nigga".
He only shitted on black people and made racial jokes.
He wore dresses and that was cool
Now Dave telling some other jokes and getting on these gays they can't deal with him?
 
Rembrandt Brown said:
I loved the special. But the article below makes a damn good point in its conclusion.

Dave Chappelle Doesn’t Need To Punch Down
In his occasionally funny new Netflix special, Chappelle continues to make anti-trans and victim-blaming jokes. Why can't he strive to be more thoughtful?
Tomi Obaro
BuzzFeed News

What’s the most embarrassing public statement you’ve ever made that you’ve had to walk back? As a Sagittarius and a former conservative evangelical Christian — and quite a zealous one — I have plenty.

I won’t regale you with all of them, but certainly one of my top 10 is when I logged on to Facebook dot com in the year of our Lord, 2009. Michael Jackson had just died, and my Facebook feed was disturbingly lacking in sympathetic words of sorrow. One girl whom I went to high school with posted a status about how she didn’t understand why people were so upset about his death — he was "a gross pedophile."

I was in a vulnerable place. The high school I went to was full of white people who liked to listen to Dave Matthews Band and ask me whether I tanned. I had spent hours in a fugue state watching videos of Jackson when he was a lanky teenager, wiggling his sequined hips in the “Rock With You” music video, his skin still the color of a coconut husk. He still had that wide, broad, and beautiful nose that looked like my nose (and that I too had once hated).

I don’t remember exactly what I wrote under that girl’s status. It was something mean and cutting, and I definitely went on about how he had been acquitted. She responded by saying that swooping in to comment on the post of a random classmate I wasn’t even friends with in real life to defend Jackson was proof of how ridiculous I was being. Touché. I promptly unfriended her and reminded myself to never get into Facebook arguments; they were a black hole.

I thought of that time, and that current of righteous anger, as I watched Dave Chappelle’s latest Netflix stand-up special, Sticks & Stones, which came out this week and has been predictably pilloried for its dismissal of sexual assault victims and anti-trans jokes. Chappelle proudly confesses as much early on in the special: “I’m what’s known on the streets as a victim-blamer.”

He defends Jackson, conceding that even if the two men who came forward in HBO’s documentary special Leaving Neverland earlier this year were telling the truth, it would be an honor to be molested by a musical legend: “I know more than half the people in this room have been molested in their lives. But it wasn’t no goddamn Michael Jackson, was it? This kid got his dick sucked by the King of Pop! All we get is awkward Thanksgivings for the rest of our lives.”

It’s the kind of purposefully ludicrous statement that’s designed to provoke, of course — it's not even funny so much as shocking. You hear the audience gasp. (But the loudest boos of the whole night are reserved for when Chappelle jokes about how there’s no such thing as good 36-year-old pussy, which is the punchline to an R. Kelly bit. It’s telling that you can hear an audible exhale when Chappelle concedes that Kelly probably did rape his alleged teenage victims, even though he throws Surviving R. Kelly documentary filmmaker Dream Hampton under the bus to make that point.)

“I’m sorry, ladies, I’ve got a fucking #MeToo headache,” Chappelle complains. “This is the worst time ever to be a celebrity. Everyone’s doomed,” He defends Louis C.K., freely admitting that he’s biased as he’s friends with the guy. “They even got poor Kevin Hart,” Chappelle says. He describes Hart’s 2011 tweet about smashing his hypothetically gay son’s head with a dollhouse as “obviously” a joke. That’s before he launches into a whole spiel about “the unspoken rule of show business,” which “is that you are never, ever allowed to upset the alphabet people” — those people being “the Ls and the Gs and the Bs and the Ts.”

At this point, we’re reentering a familiar cycle: Chappelle releases a special on Netflix, he says something incendiary, it’s quoted back to him in a headline, and Chappelle reacts to the criticism in another Netflix special.

But Sticks & Stones feels distinct in that it encapsulates Chappelle’s paradoxical urges. You could say he’s doubling down, as some critics have written, but that's not quite right. It’s a low, low bar, but some of the more truly vile anti-trans stuff has been excised from this recorded special. (It was filmed in Atlanta in 2017, two weeks before his run of sold-out Radio City Music Hall shows, so maybe he had time to reconsider the “man-pussy” jokes.)

But Chappelle still wants it both ways. He is willing to address criticisms of his earlier sets that were more flagrantly, lazily anti-trans, but not actually apologize or admit to changing his mind or express any meaningful empathy. In his 2017 special, Equanimity, he talks about receiving a letter from a white trans fan who criticized his transphobia, using the remark to essentially make more tired anti-trans jokes (and it turns out some of the details of the bit were highly embellished). And in a surprise epilogue to Sticks & Stones, he tells another story about Daphne, a trans woman who attended several of his sets in San Francisco and laughed hard at every joke. Afterward, according to Chappelle, they chatted at the bar and Daphne thanked him for “normalizing transgenders.” The audience at Radio City Music Hall, where Chappelle told this story, applauds loudly. It’s cringe-inducing — such a blatantly cynical, familiar move out of the old “I have a marginalized friend, so I can make this joke” playbook. (When Louis C.K. joked about his black friends who have stood by him, I imagine he must have been talking about Chappelle.)

What is especially frustrating about Chappelle’s trans jokes is how he essentially acts as if black trans people don’t exist, and as if black trans women in particular aren’t more likely to be victims of violence. His truth-to-power comedy only works if he acts as though trans people and black people are wholly separate entities. It’s enough to make you want to tie Chappelle to a chair and force him to binge-watch episodes of Pose.

Even if you ignored all the offensive jokes — which is a big ask, so I understand if you can’t — you’re still left with comedy specials that aren’t even particularly funny.

And it grates, of course, because he has been shattering the mythos constructed around him ever since he famously walked away from a reported $50 million deal with Comedy Central in 2005. Dave Chappelle! The funniest man in America! If he had lived in Midwestern bliss for the rest of his life, his legend as one of our most hilarious, biting, silly, essential stand-up comics alive would have stayed intact — even if he did always have a few sets and sketches that were stupid and sexist and racist. But now he’s just like any other rich, middle-aged has-been, bravely taking on "cancel culture," even as he continues to nab $60 million deals with Netflix.

As Vulture music critic Craig Jenkins recently tweeted, this cycle of jokes, outrage, jokes, repeat doesn’t actually affect Chappelle’s bottom line. He’s still a millionaire — and one who’s still getting booked, at that. So what’s really to be gained from punching down on the most vulnerable? Despite his fearmongering about celebrities falling victim to "cancel culture," it’s not like Chappelle has actually been shunned. It has merely become less cool to say that you’re a Dave Chappelle fan at certain parties in Brooklyn.

As a beleaguered fan (like "I once spent more money than I had in my checking account to split a cab ride with a girl I didn't know to watch him perform in a suburb of Chicago and then got stranded in said suburb because there were no cabs going back to the city"–level fan); I want to believe that Chapelle is more thoughtful than he’s been acting lately. And even in Sticks & Stones, which is better than the last two specials, there are kernels of funniness. He still makes me laugh out loud. He can still tell a story with surreal, spellbinding relish — his bit on buying a gun is hilarious. His face is so expressive; his eyes twinkle with impish glee. The way he holds his cigarette and leans forward, looking like a mischievous little boy, shocked that he can get away with it.

But he’s not a little boy. He’s a grown-ass man. And it feels like he keeps making anti-trans and victim-blaming jokes just because he can, which, sure. But why not strive to be more interesting, more original, more thoughtful?

Toward the end of the special, before the epilogue, Chappelle appears to make a conciliatory gesture: “If you’re in a group that I make fun of, just know that I see myself in you. I make fun of poor white people because I was once poor.” I waited for him to say what he saw in trans people, in victims of sexual assault, or in gay men. But he never said anything.
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What was the good point? I read the vast majority of the article. Transgenders want us to accept them for who they want to be but they don't even accept themselves for who they really are. Dick in the pussy equals life.. Dick in the ass is whatever
 
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Silencer said:
He didn't say bisexuals were gross, he said gays & lesbians think they are gross. Just want to clarify that because some offended person might try to say he said the former, when it was the latter (and obviously he's not the official spokesperson for them G's and them L's :lol: )

On the abortion joke you might need to watch that again. He's not pro-life, and he said men should not have to pay if the chick chooses to KEEP the child against a man's wishes. "If you can kill him, I can at least abandon him" :lol:
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He definitely said he didnt believe in abortion but the context was PERSONAL CHOICE.
 
ViCiouS said:
Juicy Smolliere....


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i died.

to me this is his masterwork...

I aint saying its BETTER than ALL his other ones

but as a time capsule and as referendum on MODERN stand up?

This IS right up there with Delirious, Raw and Bring the Pain ..

(I am actually one of the few big fans of tambourine)

the entire routine, It was so damn lean and all muscle this was like NO FAT NO FILLER

and he was just showing off ALL his skills

even the improv he incorporated EVERY thing into his set

the phone call, the heckle, audience reactions, EVERYTHING was so seamless it was like the WHOLE thing was planned

then to just drop the EPILOGUE like POW!!!!

He KNEW what the reaction was gonna be...

PREPARED for it.

And if you sensitive?

Or offended?

That is FINE good lawd Dave SAID AS MUCH NUMEROUS times..

he basically APOLOGIZED by not saying SORRY or being disingenuous

but EXPLAINING and LISTENING.

to me?

that is MUCH more powerful meaningful and sincere than a bullsh*t apology

sidebar..

If dream hampton and her crew mad?

That cause they KNOW they guilty.

HE said her NAME..I respect the HELL out of that.

If Kevin aint mad? If Louie aint mad? If Jussie aint mad? OK Jussie probably mad but you KNOW what I mean.

What she mad about? (and I also heard that STORY a long time ago so she had AMPLE time to set the story straight if needed)

in closing

shout out to daphne.
 
playahaitian said:
i died.

to me this is his masterwork...

I aint saying its BETTER than ALL his other ones

but as a time capsule and as referendum on MODERN stand up?

This IS right up there with Delirious, Raw and Bring the Pain ..

(I am actually one of the few big fans of tambourine)

the entire routine, It was so damn lean and all muscle this was like NO FAT NO FILLER

and he was just showing off ALL his skills

even the improv he incorporated EVERY thing into his set

the phone call, the heckle, audience reactions, EVERYTHING was so seamless it was like the WHOLE thing was planned

then to just drop the EPILOGUE like POW!!!!

He KNEW what the reaction was gonna be...

PREPARED for it.

And if you sensitive?

Or offended?

That is FINE good lawd Dave SAID AS MUCH NUMEROUS times..

he basically APOLOGIZED by not saying SORRY or being disingenuous

but EXPLAINING and LISTENING.

to me?

that is MUCH more powerful meaningful and sincere than a bullsh*t apology

sidebar..

If dream hampton and her crew mad?

That cause they KNOW they guilty.

HE said her NAME..I respect the HELL out of that.

If Kevin aint mad? If Louie aint mad? If Jussie aint mad? OK Jussie probably mad but you KNOW what I mean.

What she mad about? (and I also heard that STORY a long time ago so she had AMPLE time to set the story straight if needed)

in closing

shout out to daphne.
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I wanna know how that muthafucka got his phone in when when I saw Dave a few years ago at Radio City, we had to put our phones in lockers. Dafuq?
 
Lou_Kayge said:
I wanna know how that muthafucka got his phone in when when I saw Dave a few years ago at Radio City, we had to put our phones in lockers. Dafuq?
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^^^

damn good question..

but it WAS Atlanta and Dave was NOT surprised so I am assuming they much NOT have had that policy at that particular venue.
 
forcesteeler said:
Well he attacked the alphabet LGBT mob which pretty much owns the media. I’m sure a lot of reviewers are scared to give it a positive score, but he got a 99 percent audience score.

Goes to show liberals only like black people when they can use them. So much for diversity and inclusion.
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Exactly
 
Gods_Debris said:
He definitely said he didnt believe in abortion but the context was PERSONAL CHOICE.
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His exact words: "I'm not for it, but I'm not against it either. It all depends on who I get pregnant". One could look at it as a joke aimed at the hypocritical so called pro-lifers who actually do feel that way. At the end of the day it was a joke in a stand up special and I have no clue about his real feelings about abortion. :dunno:
 
Silencer said:
His exact words: "I'm not for it, but I'm not against it either. It all depends on who I get pregnant". One could look at it as a joke aimed at the hypocritical so called pro-lifers who actually do feel that way. At the end of the day it was a joke in a stand up special and I have no clue about his real feelings about abortion. :dunno:
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Why fam? You're just confirming my post, you do realize that right?
 

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