Cornell West need to face reality

When the anti voter or indifferent non voter resorts to the "well my vote wouldnt have mattered anyway because i live in a blue state" argument, they know they've lost the debate.

Yeah for 8 years his bum ass was talking extra greasy about Pres Obama and now that Trump is in he ain't got shit to say but "oh I live in NJ my vote wouldn't have mattered"

Yo Bill shouldn't invite that clown on the show ever again
 
Peace,



I appreciate this comment from you because it clearly illustrates what the problem is (and why Trump is in office). You'd rather have a Democrat loyalist than someone who consistently advocates for the people of this country. How is this not the blue state version of 'Party Over Country?'
You know what I disagree with your Assumption. It seems that you take in my words and twisting it this is not about Democrat loyalty this about using the party for your convenience and when you don't need them you throw them on the back burner.
 
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Yeah for 8 years his bum ass was talking extra greasy about Pres Obama and now that Trump is in he ain't got shit to say but "oh I live in NJ my vote wouldn't have mattered"

Yo Bill shouldn't invite that clown on the show ever again
Yea man.. that was fucking awful coming from someone of his age, influence, education and experience.
 
You know what I disagree with your Assumption. It seems that you take in my words and twisting it this is not about Democrat loyalty this about using the party for your convenience and when you don't need them you throw them on the back burner.
Look at how many of the Sanders supporters reacted when their champion lost the primaries. It was personality over country. What was the slogan..."Bernie or Bust".
 
Peace,

You know what I disagree with your Assumption. It seems that you take in my words and twisting it this is not about Democrat loyalty this about using the party for your convenience and when you don't need them you throw them on the back burner.

You're criticizing someone with decades of skin in the game for challenging the Democratic establishment and holding it accountable. You seem to believe that he should have just fallen in line with a party that has moved steadily to the Right. That is very dangerous thinking.
 
So
For 8 years it was down with Obama. I need to be the loudest most vocal cat saying he ain't shit.
Now with Trump it's meh?
Hillary won the nomination because the DNC said it was her turn PERIOD
that's not an opinion. Fucking documents and emails were LEAKED Bernie had fucking spies in his campaign feeding shit to Hillary they intentionally cut his air time everything in the book from that to her having PLEDGED delegates before all the candidates were even announced.

But.

Trump was always the worse choice. I'm not hearing that same venom from Cornell West that I heard from him for 8 years straight without fail to everyone who would listen.
He exposed himself royally to me a long time ago this is the 1st time I've listened to anything coming out of his mouth in a long time and it'll be a long time before I do that again.

He ain't shit
 
Trump was always the worse choice. I'm not hearing that same venom from Cornell West that I heard from him for 8 years straight without fail to everyone who would listen.
He exposed himself royally to me a long time ago this is the 1st time I've listened to anything coming out of his mouth in a long time and it'll be a long time before I do that again.

He ain't shit
Nuff said :yes:
 
Yea man.. that was fucking awful coming from someone of his age, influence, education and experience.

Yo im legit pissed off now.. him and that fuck nigga Tavis for 8 years with their bullshit and every other clown yappin about Obama and now these niggas nowhere to be found and comment on this baboon we have in office
 
So
For 8 years it was down with Obama. I need to be the loudest most vocal cat saying he ain't shit.
Now with Trump it's meh?
Hillary won the nomination because the DNC said it was her turn PERIOD
that's not an opinion. Fucking documents and emails were LEAKED Bernie had fucking spies in his campaign feeding shit to Hillary they intentionally cut his air time everything in the book from that to her having PLEDGED delegates before all the candidates were even announced.

But.

Trump was always the worse choice. I'm not hearing that same venom from Cornell West that I heard from him for 8 years straight without fail to everyone who would listen.
He exposed himself royally to me a long time ago this is the 1st time I've listened to anything coming out of his mouth in a long time and it'll be a long time before I do that again.

He ain't shit

Don't forget his boy Tavis
 
So you think Hillary would have appointed someone like Jeff Sessions as the US Attorney General who's wants to have mandatory minimums, as well as shut down the civil rights division? Do you think Hillary would have appointed a Judge like Goruch?
If so, then you are being dishonest, and shortsighted.

I didn't say all of that. I said, she wouldn't have done shit about innocent brothers and sisters getting slain by these cops. Nothing more, nothing less. Nobody is doing shit on a political level. No federal investigations in mass. Nothing. She'd rather face political death before she made any concessions. When she should. They got people all in the system. If I die, you die too. Fuck her. I voted, but not for her nor Trump. And I'll do it next week and the week afterwards.:cool:
 
I didn't say all of that. I said, she wouldn't have done shit about innocent brothers and sisters getting slain by these cops. Nothing more, nothing less. Nobody is doing shit on a political level. No federal investigations in mass. Nothing. She'd rather face political death before she made any concessions. When she should. They got people all in the system. If I die, you die too. Fuck her. I voted, but not for her nor Trump. And I'll do it next week and the week afterwards.:cool:
Who do you think initiates an investigation on the federal level?
 
Sir I am very liberal but this country is not going to swing liberal overnight you have to gradually take them to that point I E what Obama care due to some Republican constituents they hated it at first but when I had to use it and got more exposed to it they liked it I always said Obama care was universal healthcare own time delay.

A proper stepping stone to moving the group psyche progressive would've been

Obama - Clinton > Warren or some other 'minority'
 
Sir I am very liberal but this country is not going to swing liberal overnight you have to gradually take them to that point I E what Obama care due to some Republican constituents they hated it at first but when I had to use it and got more exposed to it they liked it I always said Obama care was universal healthcare own time delay.


BINGO!!
 
You don't see the irony in saying this in defense of someone who her and husbands whole thing was to be a conservative democrat in an attempt to get Republican voters.

When for the previous eight years Democrats have been begging Obama to stop doing that shit

Bill fucked the democratic party up!! Were not even talking about the laws he signed!! But barry took it to a whole different level!! The Democratic party has put themselves in a bad spot! They have long abandoned the people and are no different than repubs! They just say please and thank you!! After the Nov elections, I divorced myself from the democratic party and went Independent, I can no longer stand with that corporate democrat bullshit.. Until they start standing for the people Ill never support them!!
 
No, I'm not outraged by that, this country is a two party country no matter who you try to sugar coat it. If you are not in one of the 2 parties you have almost 0% chance of winning, I think you know that and you know Bernie knows that

Its a one party system, that goes by dems and repubs names!! Its just to give the people the illusion they really are a part of the selection process!! But people have a hard time excepting that!!
 
Its a one party system, that goes by dems and repubs names!! Its just to give the people the illusion they really are a part of the selection process!! But people have a hard time excepting that!!

Because Republicans want Universal Healthcare and affirmative action? Since when?
 
People like Cenk Yugar and Cornell West are as bad as talking to Tea Party members. They will shake their heads and cover their ears and scream over you. They are big on this bullshit "progressive purity" test mess that will continue to have us losing elections.

Democracy and change are slow moving. You inch closer to what you want iver time. Not expect everyone is going to agree and become liberal in a fucking flash.

Bernie would have lost worse than Hillary. Believe that.
 
The point (imo) is how much of "OK" and ultimately center-right are Americans of so called principle willing to accept?

Just being better than Trump, is not better than what SHOULD be best, specifically for Black people.

While it was best interest to vote for Clinton, she and her team were just as immoral and underhanded in winning the primary as the Trump team. A less corrupt politician is STILL CORRUPT.


That bitch was foul. Simple. Yeah I voted for her ass, in piss. But see I am good fiscally, but I give a fuck about my own, and we are still fucked, we were fucked for 8 yrs of Obama and I don't need scraps from Democrats...

But I sure as hell did not want Trump.

I want a equal fucking shot from Democrats, not always telling me and mine to WAIT, it's coming. You can't expect folks struggling to have time to vote for a possible, just good enough, someone who does NOT inspire. Democrat fucked up, Clinton fucked up, by not even going to WI, cocky ass :smh: And Democrats shit on, Black progressive candidates from DC, VA etc.

Clinton,
did not sell her soul to Russia, but she sold it to American corporatists a LONG time ago.

West made the mistake in making his arguments, and not realizing that Americans are infantile in their analysis, we are fucking kids..such that voting boycotts, or 3rd party oaths are dangerous and useless, ie..Jill Stein. West makes truthfully comments, but he did not understand that not everyone has the depth to understand an academic argument on ultimate truth and Democratic progression vs "just enough"

but AND BIG but, the Democratic party has shown that they will never fully address the concerns of Black people, poor people, etc....and by these arguments on this thread one has to really ask if WE as Black people even really want and DEMAND them to.

I ain't liberal, and I ain't conservative, I am Pro African American...and fuck a party that stole a primary, elected the same corporatists to lead the party, instead of Keith Ellison, and Pelosi is still running shit ie they have NOT learned a damn thing, after getting their asses kicked for 8 damn years.

Dislike West, but his point is still valid. Americans, and specifically Black people can't survive under scraps...shit ain't working for Black folks, Latinos and poor whites either.

Republicans will keep winning if their is not a REAL alternative that a mass of people in those middle states can rally around, and the dude they just elected to run the Democratic party is the SAME SHIT.

Maybe campaign on shit folks care about in WI, PA, MI, TX, OH and next time you get a DREAM candidate in Barack Obama..motherfuckers better get rid of the fucking electoral college, and or add more house and senate members to the larger states like CA, FL, TX and OH, and RIDE for his platform. Democrats shit on their own in Obama, such that he had to negotiate on center height. I hated that shit

Also Bill Maher is a closet Republican, he is only liberal because he smokes weed. i like his show, but his points , are the same white dude shame argument "that is beneath you", is so wack to me. Dude rants on Muslims, uses Black suffering for comedic fodder all day. Him saying Pence is a safe, normal Republican

This is dangerous!!
 
What about saying Hillary =disaster and Trump=Catastrophe is wrong? Finding out how the DNC wrecked Bernie's campaign, how they killed Seth Rich for leaking those emails.....hell she might be getting impeached too.

West absolutely nailed it when he said "Trump is the result of white male mediocrity in this country"

YOu must have missed everything about Seth Rich and the DNC emails and Debbie Wasserman Schultz. It was really stolen, man.

Seth Rich was found to be the source of DNC emails leaked that showed how the DNC was undercutting Bernie's campaign and actually spying on his campaign for Hillary Clinton. The DNC is not supposed to act in favor of one candidate or another until primaries (Clear ethics violation). When the Emails were leaked the DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned and without any hesitation became the leader of the Clinton campaign.
Incidentally while on his way to FBI head quarters Seth Rich was found shot to death with no motive. nothing stolen.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...rders-blabbing-detective-cease-desist-n762211

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fox-news-seth-rich_us_591cd078e4b034684b093717?4j
 
Dude stop. Please. Let me ask you this...

"If voting doesn't matter, then why do you care whether we do it or not?"

Theres no difference between the clintons dems or a repubs, they both answer to the same bosses!! I dont care if you vote or not!! If you think your vote plays a big part in the selection, thats on you!!
 
Theres no difference between the clintons dems or a repubs, they both answer to the same bosses!! I dont care if you vote or not!! If you think your vote plays a big part in the selection, thats on you!!
attitudes like yours allowed trump to win.
 
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Yeah sometimes I don't proofread.
lol. I was just wondering. Sometimes you will type something that if spoken out loud will sound like what you meant, but has a typo. I'm always able to figure it out tho.
 
lol. I was just wondering. Sometimes you will type something that if spoken out loud will sound like what you meant, but has a typo. I'm always able to figure it out tho.
Yeah sometimes I do proofread and I catch my mistakes but most of the time I be Leroy Jenkins and post my reply
 
Hillary wouldn't have done a cotdamn thing either.:smh:

I saw that exchange

I understand completely what he's saying, because I don't fuck with Hillary either

and Bill saying that shit after saying Hillary won the popular vote with the Republican at the beginning was hypocritical

These clowns arguing Hillary wouldn't have been better at this point shows how deplorable they are. Dishonest POS's

The other Trump supporters are smart enough to stay silent now. Even the idiot root69 is just liking their posts and not speaking. Edit: I spoke too soon
 
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