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What is HDR?

THE BASICS
High Dynamic Range, or HDR for short, is an advanced display and image mastering technology used on select 4K TVs and Ultra HD content. The process uses expanded brightness to improve contrast between dark and light aspects of an image, bringing out deeper black levels and more realistic details in specular highlights -- like the sun reflecting off of an ocean -- in specially graded HDR material.

This increased brightness performance is measured innits. In general terms, the more nits a display can produce, the brighter the image and greater the HDR performance will be. The UHD Alliance currently requires LCD displays to produce more than 1000 nits peak brightness and less than 0.05 nits black level, or OLED displays to produce more than 540 nits peak brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level to receiveUltra HD Premium Certification, ensuring an optimal HDR experience. With that said, there are still many displays that offer some level of HDR performance without reaching those numbers.

In addition to enhanced contrast, HDR is often also bundled with support for aWide Color Gamut(WCG), offering a greater range of colors than those found in traditional HD sources and TVs using the previousRec. 709standard. This means that WCG content and displays can now produce more realistic colors, providing a more true-to-life representation of an image. Though current Ultra HD and HDR specs provide support for theRec. 2020wide color gamut, wider color gamut content available now is typically produced in theDCI-P3color space (aka the color space where commercial cinemas operate).

Check out the chart below to see the differences between each gamut. The entire curve represents the full visible color spectrum. The smallest triangle represents the old Rec. 709 gamut; the solid triangle represents the wider DCI-P3 gamut; and the large dotted triangle represents the Rec. 2020 gamut. (Source:AVS Forum)

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/what-is-hdr/39003


Don't mention the format war

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.php?subaction=showfull&id=1490619712

 
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Wish they could make the 4k plasma sets, nothing could fuck with the plasma when it came to watching movies in a dark room or sports.
 
Do you need a 4K TV for HDR?
HDR, or High Dynamic Range, is one of the latest TV technologies, even newer than 4K resolution. HDR can, on the right TV and with the right content, look pretty impressive. Most of the time it comes with Wide Color Gamut, or WCG, which adds more realistic colors to the mix. These help the TV create an image that's got more punch and vibrancy than non-HDR/WCG TVs.

So far these two technologies have only been available in mid- and high-end Ultra HD "4K" TVs. But is 4K required for HDR?

The answer is a rather strange "yes, but not technically."

High Dynamic Range
Just so we're all on the same page, HDR is a TV technology that lets directors and filmmakers show brighter details and (when used with Wide Color Gamut) a broader range of colors. Because this is embedded in the content itself, it's not an artificial enhancement, but rather more of what the creators intended.

Though it shares its name with the HDR photo mode on your phone or camera, TV HDR is completely different. Photo HDR is an attempt to "fake" a wider dynamic range. TV HDR actually is a wider dynamic range. For more info, check out What is HDR for TVs, and why should you care?.

The short version is, done right, HDR content on an HDR TV will make your favorite programs look even better.

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HDR and Ultra HD '4K' TVs
Right now the only TVs with HDR capabilities are Ultra HD "4K" TVs. So the narrowest of answers to the question posed by the article is yes, you need 4K TV to get HDR.

However, technically you don't. I mean, you do, but, OK, it's sort of complicated.

HDR has nothing to do with resolution. 4K resolution refers (rather inaccurately) to the number of pixels on your TV -- the number of the individual dots that make up the image. HDR and wide color affect the range of brightness and colors those dots produce; the "quality" of the pixels, if you will, not the number. That's why some people refer to HDR as "not more pixels, but better pixels."

Right now all TVs with HDR and wide color are Ultra HD TVs. But because the technologies themselves are separate, a non-4K HDR isn't impossible.

This separation of resolution and HDR/WCG isn't just theory. Netflix and other services will stream non-4K HDR under certain circumstances. When you first start streaming an HDR show, often the video quality will start out lower and ramp up to 4K resolution -- but it's HDR the whole time. If your Internet bandwidth can't sustain 4K video, they'll send a lower resolution like 1080p or 720p -- but it stays in HDR. If your Internet is really bad, you might even get standard-definition HDR(!).

It's super soft and doesn't look that great, but the idea amuses me that somewhere, at some point, someone could be watching 480p HDR. The HDR data only requires slightly more bandwidth than the non-HDR or "SDR" feed.

So if a manufacturer wanted to make a 1080p TV with HDR, sure, it's possible.

Don't hold your breath
It's highly unlikely this will ever happen. The TV industry is already well on its way to making Ultra HD "4K" the standard, not the exception. There's more and more 4K content, and the price of Ultra HD TVs continues to drop. So there isn't much room at the budget end of the market to squeeze in a non-Ultra HD HDR TV.

The only niche where a TV like this might fit would be a high-end small TV (32 inches or smaller). But in the US, this market doesn't really exist. In other countries this good-but-small category is quite popular, but even so, it's doubtful TV manufacturers will dump money into making a TV that small with HDR or WCG. That's actually too bad, since HDR and WCG would be far more noticeable than increasing the resolution in those screen sizes.

It's important to note that just because a TV accepts HDR, doesn't mean it can do anything with it. Without local dimming and technology to show wider colors, HDR and WCG won't look much (if any) different than non-HDR/WCG content. Certainly not compared to a TV with HDR-compatibility AND local dimming (or OLED). We will see companies (most recently Sony) touting HDR compatibility in 1080p TVs, but this is like having a speedometer that goes up to 200 mph in a Kia. Just because it's there, doesn't mean you can use it. So be wary of this kind of misleading marketing.

So while a budget HDTV with HDR seems like a cool idea -- and is theoretically possible -- it's not likely to actually happen. Oh, well. With the prices always falling on Ultra HD "4K" TVs, it's time to embrace them.

https://www.cnet.com/au/news/do-you-need-a-4k-tv-for-hdr/
 
For the 3D fans



Best Buy has select 3D Blu-ray Movies for $8.99 each when you follow the steps below. Store pickup is free if stock permits. Thanks persian_mafia

  1. Make sure you're viewing the Best Buy Mobile Site (from a computer, scroll down to the bottom of any page at BestBuy.com & click "Mobile Site")
  2. Select the 3D blu-ray movie of your choice of those listed below (via mobile site):
  3. Add your movie to cart
  4. Select shipping and click Checkout
  5. Look for "$1 OFF order" in green text in the upper right and select free store pickup
  6. Total should now be $8.99 w/ free store pickup

 
TCL bashes premium TV price barriers with 55-inch 4K HDR Roku TV for $600



If you thought a big-screen 4K Ultra HD TV with HDR was priced beyond your means, think again. TCL has just announced its 2017 TV lineup, and it is headlined by a 55-inch model with Roku’s OS baked in for just $600, available for pre-order at Amazon on

TCL breaks the high-end portion of its 2017 TV lineup into two series this year, the C-Series and the P-Series. Both series will support 4K Ultra HD resolution as well as both Dolby Vision HDR and HDR10, with Roku apps for Netflix, Amazon, and Vudu (among others) delivering an increasingly deep catalog of 4K HDR content to watch. Additional Roku features include a Roku remote with voice search capability and a headphone jack for private listening. Roku TVs also allow users to pause live OTA TV viewed from a connected antenna.

The two series are differentiated primarily by design and performance. The P-Series will offer the best overall picture quality, while the C-Series will offer extremely thin form factor and sleeker lines.

P-Series
The P-Series (TCL says to think performance) comprises the following models, armed with 72 zones of full array locally dimmed LED backlights for enhanced contrast and HDR brightness as well as an expanded color gamut that TCL says covers nearly the entire DCI-P3 color space. This is a landmark move for TCL, which has not embraced high-end full array local dimming technology until now.

Size Model Price Availability
50-inch 50P607 $500 Late 2017
55-inch 55P607 $600 June 5
65-inch 65P607 $1000 Late 2017

C-Series
The more stylish of TCL’s new high-end TV series, the C-Series promises performance close to that of the P-Series, but with a slimmer, sleeker form factor. Roku OS is still baked right in, and though the three models in this series won’t offer full array local dimming, TCL asserts they will all offer a premium HDR experience, with support for HDR10 and Dolby Vision. Pricing and availability is as follows:

Size Model Price Availability
55-inch 55C806 $700 Late July
65-inch 65C807 $1100 Late June
75-inch 75C807 $2000 End of year
TCL has all the makings here of a premium TV line-up. Though it remains to be seen just how good the TVs look, the value offered here is undeniably compelling, and it appears the company has done what it needs in order to deliver a proper premium HDR experience. Digital Trends will soon be reviewing the P-Series and we’ll have lots more to say about this line in the coming months.


Read more: https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-...r-tv-line-pricing-availability/#ixzz4h6X0GQDn
 
Don't Buy A New TV Without Watching This...


First Look: LG OLED55E7P - 4K OLED E7P Series
 
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https://slickdeals.net/share/android_app/t/10260716

Today's promo code email from fry's has the OLED65C6P for $2099. $100 cheaper than a few weeks ago. Looks like they're trying to get rid of the last few.

Picture of ad - http://m.imgur.com/tn6BJTb

Use a Citi/Chase card and submit a Price Protection price of $1579 to get the maximum $500 credit bringing the TV down to $1599.

Link to item - http://www.frys.com/product/8727001

E-mail says Promo code is good from June 18 through June 24.

It shows available around me in Duluth, GA and a lot of other locations. Reserve it for store pickup and use code in store to get the price.

Price Protection - Don't purchase from these online sites with bad reviews. Check if your credit card has price protection and get a refund from them instead.
Joe's av link - http://www.joesav.com/LG-LED-HDTV...AmOn8P8HAQ

I got mine down to $1699 from Citi and it took about 7 days.
 


I'm bout to steal this man's whole set up! Was just debating with wifey if we were gonna do built in cabinets or not and the 65 inch right over the fireplace. ALL that shit gets too hot though in the summer and that fan set up he got looks perfect. Everything is hidden and tucked away I likes!

I don't 6K to throw at a new joint but this gives me an idea on which way I'm going. LG is looking tight!

oNE
 
The Best Gaming TVs - Summer 2017

LG C7

The best TV we've reviewed for playing video games is the LG C7 4k OLED TV. Not only does it feature the best picture quality currently available, it also has some of the lowest input lag found on any TV available today as well as virtually no motion blur.
Thanks to its virtually instant response time, fast motion looks incredibly fluid and crisp. The overall package offers a very responsive and immersive experience unmatched by competing LED TVs like the Samsung Q9F and Sony Z9D.

It's versatile too: its wide viewing angle means it's equally good for playing games with friends sitting on either side without a big effect on picture quality. The LG C7 isn't the brightest TV available, but it still offers the best gaming experience available today.

See our review

Runner-up

LG B6

If you can still find it, the LG B6 OLED TV from 2016 offers the same picture quality as the LG C7 with slightly higher input lag. If you're a more casual player, you probably won't notice the difference and it's worth saving your money and going for the previous model.

See our review

Best Mid-Range TV for Gaming

You don't lose much in this price range as far as gaming goes. Mid-range TVs are less versatile, though, so not as good as pricier models if you plan on watching movies or HDR.


Sony X900E

For a mid-range option, we recommend the Sony X900E. It's a versatile 4k LED TV that's especially good for playing video games, thanks to its low input lag and motion blur. Thanks to its good value compared to the competing Samsung MU8000 and LG SJ8500, it's a good choice if you want some of the best picture quality found on an LED TV .

It doesn't have blacks as deep as what an OLED TV can do, but it's still a great performer in a dark room thanks to its well-executed local dimming feature. It's brighter by a fair margin too, which is great if you planned to use it in a well-lit environment.

Overall, the X900E is sure to please most gamers, especially if it isn't the only thing it's going to be used for. It's the best alternative to OLEDs if they are out of your budget.

See our review

Runner-Up

Sony X850E


For something larger, the offers a great gaming experience with low input lag for more value for its size than the Sony X900E. It doesn't have the fancy local dimming and it isn't quite as bright as the more expensive model, but it's a good choice if you want the largest TV you can fit in your budget.

See our review

Best Budget TV for Gaming

Budget TVs offer a lot of value nowadays, and their input lag is just as low as more expensive TVs. You do lose on the overall fit and finish as well as brightness, but they can still be a good purchase.

TCL P607

If you don't mind having a cheaper looking design, the TCL P607 is the best budget gaming TV we've tested. This 4k LED TV offers some of the best value on the market today and punches far above its weight class. It also sports a slew of features unusual for its price.

The TCL P-Series' input lag is one of the lowest we've tested at 15ms, making it an excellent choice for fast-paced games that require split-second reactions. Its handling of motion is no slouch either and motion blur is some of the lowest found on LED TVs. It's not quite as versatile as the more expensive Sony X900E, but unless you want the extra features found on the Sony, the P607 is simply the best budget gaming TV money can buy.

See our review

All Reviews
Our recommendations above are what we think are currently the best TVs to play video games for most people in each price range. We factor in the price (a cheaper TV wins over a pricier one if the difference isn't worth it), feedback from our visitors and availability (no TVs that are difficult to find or almost out of stock everywhere).

A few examples of TVs that didn't make the cut:

  • LG SJ8500. Good TV, but there are better TVs for playing video games in the same price range. See our review
  • Samsung KS8000. Great gaming TV, but hard to find nowadays. See our review
  • Samsung Q9F. Very good for playing video games, but poorly priced in comparison to the more versatile LG C7. See our review
  • Sony A1E. Excellent gaming TV, but the LG C7 offers even better performance for cheaper. See our review
  • Vizio M Series 2017. Good mid-range TV for gaming, but outclassed by the similarly priced P607. See our review
If you would like to do the work of choosing yourself, here is the list of all our reviews of TVs. Be careful not to get too caught up in the details. While no TV is perfect, most TVs are great enough to please almost everyone, and the differences are often not noticeable unless you really look for them.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/by-usage/video-gaming
 
This below moves Samsung to the top of the consideration:

https://www.engadget.com/2017/07/06/samsung-steam-link-app/

You can now play PC games on your 4K Samsung Smart TV without having to buy a Steam Link device. Instead, just install the Steam Link app from the Samsung App Store and you're good to go.

The beta version of the app supports 1080p video at 60fps, with 4K streaming support promised in the future. You can play your games using a Steam Controller (although PC Gamer also managed to hook up a Xbox 360 pad). Valve is promising compatibility for additional controllers soon.

Be aware that if you're planning to stream powerful PC titles, it's essential you use a wired or high-quality network (at least 5GHZ, according to Valve). And, as we noted in our Steam Link review, streaming quality will also improve depending on how powerful your gaming rig is. However, you may still encounter some niggles while using the Steam Link app -- it is in beta after all. Valve expects any issues to be smoothed out by the time it's officially released.

Valve announced its partnership with Samsung at its Steam Dev Days conference in October. The app was then quietly rolled out in the US last month, with a global release planned for later this summer. But if you're still unsure about forking out for a Samsung 4K TV, you can just grab the regular Steam Link on the cheap for $50.
 
I'll go to 4k when tv's with hdmi 2.1 variable refresh rate aka freesync/gsync are available.
On Pc monitors that stuff is a game changer.
 
LG's 2016 OLED TVs Secretly Get Major New Future-Proofing Feature [Updated]



[Update: The situation regarding the firmware update discussed in this article is more complicated than first appears. For starters, an update (05.30.01) that introduces support for HLG via YouTube is available for G6 models in Europe at the time of writing, but not the US. Also, it appears that the HLG-supporting firmware update was rolled out to European E6 and C6 owners a few days ago, but is now no longer available having potentially been pulled because of unexpected side effects... Effects which appear to include damage to the TVs' HDR Game mode, as reported in this separate story. I'm seeking clarification on all of this from LG and will update this story further or post new stories depending on what they say]

LG Electronics has just started rolling out an update to some of its 2016 OLED TVs that makes them capable of playing the new ‘Hybrid Log Gamma’ (HLG) HDR format.

With HLG expected to be a key player in the burgeoning HDR broadcasting world over the coming months and years, this new firmware upgrade really does represent a substantial addition to some models (more on this later!) from LG’s much-loved 2016 OLED TV range. Which makes it all the more strange that LG doesn’t seem to want anyone to know about it…

LG always provides release notes to go with its TV firmware updates, yet the notes accompanying update 05.30.02 make absolutely no mention of HLG support. The only improvements listed are added notification pop up for when an app is no longer available; a change in the background image of the ‘no signal’ screen; and a change in the Amazon HDR mode.

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It’s not clear why LG has rolled out this HLG update seemingly in secret; maybe they were wanting to beta test it ‘in the wild’ before going public about it. But I have had it confirmed by a number of US-based contacts over recent days that the update does indeed introduce HLG recognition, with the screen recognizing HLG test files after the new software has been installed that it couldn’t recognize previously.

It can’t be confirmed yet if the update enables the affected LG OLED TVs to recognize HLG via their tuners, but given the broadcast focus of this particular HDR format you’ve got to imagine that it does.

It’s worth adding, too, that the new firmware update doesn’t just apply to LG’s 2016 OLED TVs. It’s also compatible with LG’s UH9500 and UH8500 LCD TVs, as well as the 75UH6550.

Before you all rush off to check out your 2016 OLED TV’s new HLG talents, though, there are a couple of limitations you need to be aware of. First, at the time of writing the update currently only applies to LG’s E6 and C6 2016 models in the US, and the G6 in Europe. I’ve asked for confirmation of if and when the same feature will be rolling out to B6 models, and will update this story when I hear anything concrete.

Presumably the update will eventually roll out for all E6, C6 and G6 models in every global territory, but even by LG's rather patchy (pun intended) firmware update standards this one is starting to look like a bit of a mess.

Second, you should note that so far as I’m aware the only HLG broadcasts available so far are on the TravelXP channel, so unless you can get that, your only way of testing the HLG compatibility out for yourself will be to find and download an HLG demo file.

It seems certain that HLG is going to become a significant part of the HDR landscape in the not so distant future, though, so it’s great to see LG adding it to its OLED TVs’ already class-leadingly long list of supported HDR formats.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnar...jor-new-future-proofing-feature/#41fd4d145bcd

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1500441850
 
4K UHD Blu-ray Movies: Passengers, Lucy, Sicario, John Wick

Best Buy has a few 4K UHD Blu-ray Movies on sale for $13.99 each when you follow the instructions below. Select store pickup where stock permits. Thanks persian_mafia
  1. Add your choice of 4K UHD Blu-ray Movie to cart
  2. Select Shipping as an option in cart and then at checkout you should see an option for store pickup with "$1 OFF order" - Select store pickup
  3. Total will be $13.99 + Free Store Pickup
Note, if you do not see the additional $1 off w/ free store pickup w/ the steps above you may wish to try again selecting the mobile version of the site at the bottom of the page (not app).


https://slickdeals.net/f/10388428-4...ario-john-wick-14-each-more-free-store-pickup
 
What are the main stores ya'll shop at for TVs and other main electronics? Best Buy and what other spots? Here in Canada people often fuck with Visions, London Drugs, and some others too.
 
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