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Charles Barkley: LeBron James will never be a top-five NBA great

Man lets really look at this.

Barkley played I the NBA was great..
A Top tier great player at some where.
Lebron is a top tier great player who's still playing.

So if he don't get to top 5 in your mind, that still means he's better than you in your mind.

And I'm a Barkley fan....smh
 
Day_Carver said:
If Oscar isn't in everyone top 5 then it's not a real top 5..i don't care what era one played in..you average a triple double for 4 or 5 seasons and almost for your career then you are a god!!!!
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Man Westbrook could damn near average a triple double and still never win shit, matter fact isn't that exactly what Oscar did? Funny how the finish line changes with LeBron haters, one min the big emphasis is on winning championships, now its triple doubles, this is funny coming from folks who said LeBron disappeared game 7 in the finals after scoring a triple double...
I swear you guys are funny as hell, next thing you know it yall going to be claiming LeBron doesn't belong in the top 5 because his free throws are not as good as Kobe and Jordan...:smh:
 
tallblacknyc said:
how good is an exhausted beat up lebron.. u played ball u should already kno how much energy it takes to guard a monster on the post game or how much energy it is boxing out for them boards..sir charles for the win
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Dude, he doesn't start the game beatup and exhausted.... Barkleys none defense playing ass would probably end up in foul trouble! Funny how all your projections point to them playing according to the rules of Barkleys day... Put Barkley on LeBron according to the rules of LeBrons day and he gets torched! Would be worse than Kevin Love in the finals. Can't have the debate one way Bruh....

Frankly, in terms of overall career, why are we even talking about Barkley in comparison to LeBron?!?!? We are debating LeBron in the top 5... Barkley is debatable top 15-20 Bruh..
 
Oscar is not top 5 overall Bruh. He was a statistical beast no doubt, but his intangibles were lacking! What team did he carry to anything? What franchise did he improve? He was good in the context of his day but Top 5?!?! Nah...
 
RoadRage said:
Man Westbrook could damn near average a triple double and still never win shit, matter fact isn't that exactly what Oscar did? Funny how the finish line changes with LeBron haters, one min the big emphasis is on winning championships, now its triple doubles, this is funny coming from folks who said LeBron disappeared game 7 in the finals after scoring a triple double...
I swear you guys are funny as hell, next thing you know it yall going to be claiming LeBron doesn't belong in the top 5 because his free throws are not as good as Kobe and Jordan...:smh:
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This is the reason why i don't respond to your dumb ass..nothing about my post in this thread was about lbj,nothing..i was clearly responding to another poster..and let's be clear Westbrook has never average a triple double nor come close..don't u ever put Westbrook in any reference with the Big O, EVER@!!!!!!!!!
 
IT IS WHAT IT IS said:
Oscar is not top 5 overall Bruh. He was a statistical beast no doubt, but his intangibles were lacking! What team did he carry to anything? What franchise did he improve? He was good in the context of his day but Top 5?!?! Nah...
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man if you don't get your ass out of here with that bullshit.
the only other all time great player that makes a list of the minds of the people that he played with was kareem.
he and kareem won a ring with the bucks.
HE left the team and kareem was still on it and them niggas didn't even make the playoffs.

he fathered every guard's game period.
 
Day_Carver said:
This is the reason why i don't respond to your dumb ass..nothing about my post in this thread was about lbj,nothing..i was clearly responding to another poster..and let's be clear Westbrook has never average a triple double nor come close..don't u ever put Westbrook in any reference with the Big O, EVER@!!!!!!!!!
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:roflmao:
 
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Dude, he doesn't start the game beatup and exhausted.... Barkleys none defense playing ass would probably end up in foul trouble! Funny how all your projections point to them playing according to the rules of Barkleys day... Put Barkley on LeBron according to the rules of LeBrons day and he gets torched! Would be worse than Kevin Love in the finals. Can't have the debate one way Bruh....

Frankly, in terms of overall career, why are we even talking about Barkley in comparison to LeBron?!?!? We are debating LeBron in the top 5... Barkley is debatable top 15-20 Bruh..
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people shitting on barkley like he was a bum that's why.. look how dudes are goin at him like he was a nobody..they act like kurt rambis made these comments.. barkley spoke his thoughts and let the former mvp live.. by the way u act like barkley wasn't battling the great sf/pf of his era and not manhandling them nigs either..there was times he was horsing scottie, kemp, wilkins, etc so what makes u think lebron won't get victimized to
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
man if you don't get your ass out of here with that bullshit.
the only other all time great player that makes a list of the minds of the people that he played with was kareem.
he and kareem won a ring with the bucks.
HE left the team and kareem was still on it and them niggas didn't even make the playoffs.

he fathered every guard's game period.
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My opinion Bruh... You have yours and I have mine...
...remind me again how many Oscar won BEFORE or AFTER Kareem? :idea:
 
Day_Carver said:
This is the reason why i don't respond to your dumb ass..nothing about my post in this thread was about lbj,nothing..i was clearly responding to another poster..and let's be clear Westbrook has never average a triple double nor come close..don't u ever put Westbrook in any reference with the Big O, EVER@!!!!!!!!!
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Look, you can averaged a tripple double and be slightly above average, say you average 10pts, 10 rebounds and ten assist, shit that would make you five assist better and five points worse than Kevin Love....
So yes averaging a triple double for a season let alone three is unique and very unusual, its not the same as winning MVP's and winning championships. alone...
 
tallblacknyc said:
people shitting on barkley like he was a bum that's why.. look how dudes are goin at him like he was a nobody..they act like kurt rambis made these comments.. barkley spoke his thoughts and let the former mvp live.. by the way u act like barkley wasn't battling the great sf/pf of his era and not manhandling them nigs either..there was times he was horsing scottie, kemp, wilkins, etc so what makes u think lebron won't get victimized to
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Not saying at all he was a bum, I'm saying his game was 85% on one side of the floor... All you can do is talk about him based on offense. A player like that doesn't really warrant a lot of back and forth in a comparison with a player as complete as LeBron James. Barkley isn't even close to his level.... no matter how much 'housing' he was doing... He was a one dimensional player along the lines of Melo and such...
 
shaddyvillethug said:
??????

Wade woulda won a ring with the pre heat Lebron teams

AND HE HAD SHAQ

Wade is a warrior

Ya boy Lebron even had to acknowledge and run to his team
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Yea Bron took his own team from him then came back to show he is the.......wait for it.......
1466448311-lebron-ultimate-warrior-shirt.jpg
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
Remind me how many great players he played with before or after kareem? lol
you can't even name another player on any of his teams without google PERIOD.
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How many finals did he play in prior to Kareem? What was the furthest he got in the playoffs without Kareem? As I said before, he was a beast statistically, he just lacked a lot of intangibles others I would put in the top 5 have. He is definitely not over LeBron, MJ, Kareem Russell, or Wilt.

Amazing talent, not top 5...
 
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Not saying at all he was a bum, I'm saying his game was 85% on one side of the floor... All you can do is talk about him based on offense. A player like that doesn't really warrant a lot of back and forth in a comparison with a player as complete as LeBron James. Barkley isn't even close to his level.... no matter how much 'housing' he was doing... He was a one dimensional player along the lines of Melo and such...
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one dimensional?? that's why he was getting mad double double's rite.. defensive rebounds/off rebounds as well as his offensive skills
 
IT IS WHAT IT IS said:
How many finals did he play in prior to Kareem? What was the furthest he got in the playoffs without Kareem? As I said before, he was a beast statistically, he just lacked a lot of intangibles others I would put in the top 5 have. He is definitely not over LeBron, MJ, Kareem Russell, or Wilt.

Amazing talent, not top 5...
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again. 1 man is not a team. and in his era it was arguably way harder as there were less teams and way more stacked talented teams across the board.
like i said you cannot even name 1 great player he played with outside of kareem for the duration of his career without google.

you don't have to google to find out who the great players of his era played with because they all played together.
the end.
 
IT IS WHAT IT IS said:
Not saying at all he was a bum, I'm saying his game was 85% on one side of the floor... All you can do is talk about him based on offense. A player like that doesn't really warrant a lot of back and forth in a comparison with a player as complete as LeBron James. Barkley isn't even close to his level.... no matter how much 'housing' he was doing... He was a one dimensional player along the lines of Melo and such...
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See thats the thing; most players are 85% one side of the floor; KD and Westbrook arent great defensive players; neither was Paul Pierce or Ray Allen; or Magic or Isiah; etc etc etc; so that argument really doesnt hold weight; King T feels like MJ wasnt great defensively but yet MJ has a DPOY and 8 times all defense; Well if MJ isnt great then LBJ surely isnt even in a topic of discussion on the defensive side of the ball:hmm:...
 
Day_Carver said:
This is the reason why i don't respond to your dumb ass..nothing about my post in this thread was about lbj,nothing..i was clearly responding to another poster..and let's be clear Westbrook has never average a triple double nor come close..don't u ever put Westbrook in any reference with the Big O, EVER@!!!!!!!!!
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Let me ask you one question and think long before you answer...
Name 3 things I was wrong about over the last 5 years...
Now name 3 things you was correct about...
Take your time now, its going to be difficult to answer!!!
 
Day_Carver said:
See thats the thing; most players are 85% one side of the floor; KD and Westbrook arent great defensive players; neither was Paul Pierce or Ray Allen; or Magic or Isiah; etc etc etc; so that argument really doesnt hold weight; King T feels like MJ wasnt great defensively but yet MJ has a DPOY and 8 times all defense; Well if MJ isnt great then LBJ surely isnt even in a topic of discussion on the defensive side of the ball:hmm:...
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truthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

not just that barley had yrs where he was averaging over 1 blks a game and close to 2 stls a game plus he was a monster on defensive rebounding... like i said he averaged a double/double.. nigs wasn't trying to battle the chuckster..sir charles for the win
 
Day_Carver said:
See thats the thing; most players are 85% one side of the floor; KD and Westbrook arent great defensive players; neither was Paul Pierce or Ray Allen; or Magic or Isiah; etc etc etc; so that argument really doesnt hold weight; King T feels like MJ wasnt great defensively but yet MJ has a DPOY and 8 times all defense; Well if MJ isnt great then LBJ surely isnt even in a topic of discussion on the defensive side of the ball:hmm:...
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But so what, Lebron had a triple double in the finals and came back from being down 3-1 (sarcasm). KTs thinking is, "I don't care what he didn't do, this is what he did". That's all that matters to him
 
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Day_Carver said:
See thats the thing; most players are 85% one side of the floor; KD and Westbrook arent great defensive players; neither was Paul Pierce or Ray Allen; or Magic or Isiah; etc etc etc; so that argument really doesnt hold weight; King T feels like MJ wasnt great defensively but yet MJ has a DPOY and 8 times all defense; Well if MJ isnt great then LBJ surely isnt even in a topic of discussion on the defensive side of the ball:hmm:...
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Thats you and @KingTaharqa battle Bruh! :lol:

My point is, Barkley doesn't warrant being in a discussion concerning LeBron, because between the two of them, he was embarrassingly deficient on the defensive end, and the areas where he was more dominant than LeBron don't come close to outweighing the areas LeBron is more dominant than him...
 
I did not thing he was going to pull it off. Gotta give this brother his props. What he along with Kyrie accomplished was AMAZING.

He does EVERYTHING well or better then average. NO other player can say that. Not even Mike... Is he better then Mike? Na lol..

picking through a list of players to start my team. He is gonna be either 1-2-3
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
again. 1 man is not a team. and in his era it was arguably way harder as there were less teams and way more stacked talented teams across the board.
like i said you cannot even name 1 great player he played with outside of kareem for the duration of his career without google.

you don't have to google to find out who the great players of his era played with because they all played together.
the end.
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....we will never see eye to eye on this Bruh, as I said you have your opinion and I have mine. Gave my list, and Oscar doesn't trump any of those Dudes in my opinion...
 
RoadRage said:
Let me ask you one question and think long before you answer...
Name 3 things I was wrong about over the last 5 years...
Now name 3 things you was correct about...
Take your time now, its going to be difficult to answer!!!
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Damn Barkley jelly as fuck. Truth is I'm trying to understand why Barkley is listed in the top 50 of all time. Is scoring over 20,000 points all it takes? :hmm: Its not like Barkley has won a lot of jewelry. Its not like you see Barkley and think former champion. All Barkley is just a lot of mouth.
 
BronxBomber said:
I did not thing he was going to pull it off. Gotta give this brother his props. What he along with Kyrie accomplished was AMAZING.

He does EVERYTHING well or better then average. NO other player can say that. Not even Mike... Is he better then Mike? Na lol..

picking through a list of players to start my team. He is gonna be either 1-2-3
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Building a team, before Lebron I'd take the following, in no particular order.
Duncan
Jordan
Magic
Kareem
Bill
Shaq
Hakeem

Lebron is great, but he has been known to defer to lesser players often, and it's cost him games.
 
RoadRage said:
Look, you can averaged a tripple double and be slightly above average, say you average 10pts, 10 rebounds and ten assist, shit that would make you five assist better and five points worse than Kevin Love....
So yes averaging a triple double for a season let alone three is unique and very unusual, its not the same as winning MVP's and winning championships. alone...
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See this is why I be like :hmm::smh: with you; If a player could average 10pts, 10rbs, and 10 assist the whole year, that wouldnt be average; that would be far from average; and if it was so easy to do why hasnt anyone ever did it outside of Big O??? now Big O stats please:
Career: 25.7pts, 7.5rbs, 9.5asst, 49%fg..those are great #s, not good, great!!!!!
Season:
60-61: 30.5pts, 10.1rbs. 9.7asst
61-62: 30.8pts, 12.5rbs, 11.4asst
62-63: 28.3pts, 10.5rbs, 9.5asst
63-64: 31.4pts, 9.9rbs, 11asst
64-65: 30.4pts, 9.0rbs, 11.5asst
65-66: 31.3pts, 7.7rbs, 11.1asst
66-67: 30.5pts, 6.2rbs, 10.7asst
:eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2:
When has Westbrook every just average 30pts per game?? Dont you ever compare Westbrook or any player to Big O; dont you ever say a player that averages a triple double for a season can be considered average; I like I said before if a top 5 all time list doesnt include the BIG O then that list is complete bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
IT IS WHAT IT IS said:
Thats you and @KingTaharqa battle Bruh! :lol:

My point is, Barkley doesn't warrant being in a discussion concerning LeBron, because between the two of them, he was embarrassingly deficient on the defensive end, and the areas whs stealere he was more dominant than LeBron don't come close to outweighing the areas LeBron is more dominant than him...
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u kno imm a mess with u juss for the fact them dudes are pretty dead even when it comes to blocks and steals..so how exactly is lebron so much a dominant force compared to barkley on the defensive side??? hell like i tell everybody kd drops 30 on the reg on lebron so where's this superb defense that people be talking about
 

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