BREAKING: KS Senate gives initial approval to Medicaid expansion on 25 to 13 vote

[Darrkman]

Actually this man has been pushing Medicare for all for YEARS

His name is John Conyers and I refuse to let some white dude that didn't give a shit about Black voters credit for his work.

 

[Spectrum]

Ok, we are dancing around the subject; they do not have total control of congress; total control means the majority of the house and 60plus senators in the senate; DO the Repubs have that?? When the party has 60plus that means they cant be fillabustered; Repubs control all levels of government, but in politics it isnt considered "total control"; thats all im saying...

Obamacare was already proposed. They have been pushing it for over a year. Are you saying they could have scrapped it completely, rewrote it, sold it, and got it passed through the house and senate in a 4 month window when they got a small window of a super majority? That was not even possible at that point. They were already on 3rd base.

 

[Nzinga]

" January 2009, at the beginning of the 111th Congress, in the month that Barack Obama was inaugurated president, the House of Representatives was made up of 257 Democrats and 178 Republicans. There is no question that Democrats had total control in the House from 2009-2011.

Even with numerous "blue-dog" (allegedly fiscally conservative) Democrats often voting with Republicans.....Speaker Pelosi had little difficulty passing legislation in the House. The House does not have the pernicious filibuster rule which the Senate uses. A majority vote in the House is all that's necessary to pass legislation, except in rare occurrences (treaty ratification, overriding a presidential veto).

Okay, that's the House during the first two years of Barack Obama's presidency. For a lie to prosper, as it were, there needs to be a shred of truth woven inside the lie. It is absolutely true that from 2009-2011, Democrats and President Obama had "total control" of the House of Representatives.

But legislation does not become law without the Senate.

The Senate operates with the 60-vote-requirement filibuster rule. There are 100 Senate seats, and it takes 60 Senate votes for "closure" on a piece of legislation....to bring that piece of legislation to the floor of the Senate for amendments and a final vote....that final vote is decided by a simple majority in most cases. But it takes 60 Senate votes to even have a chance of being voted upon.

"Total control", then, of the Senate requires 60 Democratic or Republican Senators.

On January 20th, 2009, 57 Senate seats were held by Democrats with 2 Independents (Bernie Sanders and Joe Lieberman) caucusing with the Democrats...which gave Democrats 59 mostly-reliable Democratic votes in the Senate, one shy of filibuster-proof "total control." Republicans held 41 seats.

The 59 number in January, 2009 included Ted Kennedy and Al Franken. Kennedy had a seizure during an Obama inaugural luncheon and never returned to vote in the Senate.....and Al Franken was not officially seated until July 7th, 2009 (hotly contested recount demanded by Norm Coleman.)

The real Democratic Senate seat number in January, 2009 was 55 Democrats plus 2 Independents equaling 57 Senate seats.

An aside....it was during this time that Obama's "stimulus" was passed. No Republicans in the House voted for the stimulus. However, in the Senate.....and because Democrats didn't have "total control" of that chamber.....three Republicans.....Snowe, Collins and Specter, voted to break a filibuster guaranteeing it's passage.

Then in April, 2009, Republican Senator Arlen Specter became a Democrat. Kennedy was still at home, dying, and Al Franken was still not seated. Score in April, 2009....Democratic votes 58.

In May, 2009, Robert Byrd got sick and did not return to the Senate until July 21, 2009. Even though Franken was finally seated July 7, 2009 and Byrd returned on July 21.....Democrats still only had 59 votes in the Senate because Kennedy never returned, dying on August 25, 2009.

Kennedy's empty seat was temporarily filled by Paul Kirk but not until September 24, 2009.

The swearing in of Kirk finally gave Democrats 60 votes (at least potentially) in the Senate. "Total control" of Congress by Democrats lasted all of 4 months. From September 24, 2009 through February 4, 2010...at which point Scott Brown, a Republican, was sworn in to replace Kennedy's Massachusetts seat.

The truth....then....is this: Democrats had "total control" of the House of Representatives from 2009-2011, 2 full years. Democrats, and therefore, Obama, had "total control" of the Senate from September 24, 2009 until February 4, 2010. A grand total of 4 months.

Did President Obama have "total control" of Congress? Yes, for 4 entire months. And it was during that very small time window that Obamacare was passed in the Senate with 60 all-Democratic votes."

so the Dems had total control of the Congress for 4 months!!!! Lets be clear, do any of you think that the Repubs wouldnt get what they wanted in those 4 months???

Thank you

 

[kain]

If these hillbillies want hospitals in their area, they would be smart to do the same, especially these poor ass Southern states.

 

[Day_Carver]

Obamacare was already proposed. They have been pushing it for over a year. Are you saying they could have scrapped it completely, rewrote it, sold it, and got it passed through the house and senate in a 4 month window when they got a small window of a super majority? That was not even possible at that point. They were already on 3rd base.

I feel that and i feel what you saying...

 

[Spectrum]

I feel that and i feel what you saying...

I mean... they "could" have scrapped it and done that... legally they could have, but man.. that would have been wild... but the GOP didn't even give Obama's SC hearing so maybe they would have tried that shit. I kind of feel what you're saying though because the Dems always do the "reasonable" thing

 

[Dark19]

Actually this man has been pushing Medicare for all for YEARS

His name is John Conyers and I refuse to let some white dude that didn't give a shit about Black voters credit for his work.

#noted

 

[Day_Carver]

I mean... they "could" have scrapped it and done that... legally they could have, but man.. that would have been wild... but the GOP didn't even give Obama's SC hearing so maybe they would have tried that shit. I kind of feel what you're saying though because the Dems always do the "reasonable" thing

I mean your right it wouldn't have made sense to scrap it; i just feel like the dems roll over way too easy; this trump shit though i think has given them a little back bone; i just hope that this shit wakes up people as well....

 

[BDR]

I mean... they "could" have scrapped it and done that... legally they could have, but man.. that would have been wild... but the GOP didn't even give Obama's SC hearing so maybe they would have tried that shit. I kind of feel what you're saying though because the Dems always do the "reasonable" thing

And Trumps Scotus nominee I don't think gonna get the 60 votes it's gonna be some Repugs just out of spite for Trump and Bannon some will vote with the Dems to not confirm Gorsch.. LMaoo

 

[THE DRIZZY]

Single payer is going to happen one day. Every other so called 1st world country has it. Assholes in this country wants everything to be a commodity instead of a right.

Also thanks for invoking the name of Leibermann. He proves some Dems are asshats just like their conservative counterparts.

 

[easy_b]

Single payer is going to happen one day. Every other so called 1st world country has it. Assholes in this country wants everything to be a commodity instead of a right.

Also thanks for invoking the name of Leibermann. He proves some Dems are asshats just like their conservative counterparts.

Lieberman I did not like that dude

 

[Day_Carver]

And Trumps Scotus nominee I don't think gonna get the 60 votes it's gonna be some Repugs just out of spite for Trump and Bannon some will vote with the Dems to not confirm Gorsch.. LMaoo

Dems gonna filibuster that shit; if they smart they should and force the repubs hand; make them change the rules to simple majority; country is going more and more progressive liberal democratic; only a matter of time before dems ate back in power; and with Trump helping to destroy the republican party, it will be sooner; hell that filibuster would be a check mate move on both sides; Trump might be a Democrat after all

 

[Nzinga]

@Spectrum said they had 57; if they had 58 plus 2 independents then thats 60; majority of the time the independents vote with Dems; Thats why I was under that impression of the super majority...

I was writing this memory, and Spectrum did do his due diligence;
Although we are speaking in the same vein, I would cede to his
more thorough research and knowledge of the matter...The
bottom line is that the Democrats had the near 60 vote super
majority for a short time, and even then, it would have held on
in instances where the position they were advocating was
centrist, since Joe Lieberman ultimately held the 60th vote..

Do not forget Ben Nelson of Nebraska who was in the pocket
of the healthcare companies, and had to be given inducements
to vote for the ACA..

 

[Day_Carver]

I was writing this memory, and Spectrum did do his due diligence;
Although we are speaking in the same vein, I would cede to his
more thorough research and knowledge of the matter...The
bottom line is that the Democrats had the near 60 vote super
majority for a short time, and even then, it would have held on
in instances where the position they were advocating was
centrist, since Joe Lieberman ultimately held the 60th vote..

Do not forget Ben Nelson of Nebraska who was in the pocket
of the healthcare companies, and had to be given inducements
to vote for the ACA..

True true..

 

[ArsenalCannon357]

This is a massive L for Trump

BIGLY!!!!

 

[Spectrum]

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...g-key-obamacare-payments#.WNrM9cY52Pc.twitter

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...g-key-obamacare-payments#.WNrM9cY52Pc.twitter

i guess theyve come to their senses...to a degree.

and it looks like your good cop portrayal helped ol dude to understand how things went down.

like ive been saying, everyone round here calling democrats weak cant even point out one actual instance where weakness is shown.

Obamacare every step of the way was some gorilla pimp shit.