Biden's lead expands to 12 points in latest national poll
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Yeah, I remember Hillary was winning too
Well technically Hillary did win but the electoral college vote trump in.
What happened with the USA? How come there is so much hate between the democrats and republicans? Was there a trigger or is it something that was already going on for a long time (but due to social media it's more widespread and visible)?
I argue with both conservative and liberal friends about this exact subject often. Both sides are racing away from each other as fast as they can, but the reasons for it aren’t the same.
The trigger was not social media. It was actually this man.
No, that is not a stock photo of a generic white man. It’s former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.
Before Trump or McConnell or Ted Cruz, Pelosi or AOC or Bernie, there was Newt MFing Gingrich.
Since the US functionally has a two party system, both parties once knew the only way to govern was through a method that now is viewed as abhorrent: compromise. While the parties often disagreed, there was a loyalty to the institution of the US Government over party affiliation.
Believe it or not, there was a time when the US political parties were not the tribal messes they are now. Nixon, a Republican, wasn’t ousted by Democrats. It was his own party that forced him out of office. Granted, they paid the price for it. Democrats controlled House and Senate, and maintained that control for many years. It looked like Republicans would never win again.
But, during that time, the parties worked together. A party couldn’t always count on their representatives voting on party lines 100% of the time, and so the understanding was that if you needed something done, you reached across the aisle, because both sides were working towards the same goal, albeit in different ways.
Then along came ole Mr. Gingrich. He had a theory, that politics was not about governing for the people. It was a war for power that needed to be won, and the Republican Party wasn’t nasty enough to win it.
“One of the great problems we have in the Republican Party is that we don’t encourage you to be nasty. We encourage you to be neat, obedient, and loyal, and faithful, and all those Boy Scout words, which would be great around the campfire but are lousy in politics.
-Newt Gingrich
^Newt speaking to West Georgia College. He later stole all their Christmas presents, to teach them a lesson on trickle down economics
Newt identified a hole in US politics. Previously, it was believed you needed to have good ideas to win elections. He disproved that by showing legislators don’t need to legislate to win seats…they needed to make people afraid of an enemy. And that’s what he did. He flung insults, he picked fights, he pushed conspiracy theories against his Democratic and Republican colleagues alike. If he could stop the whole government machine from functioning, he knew the American people would throw it out the window.
“His idea was to build toward a national election where people were so disgusted by Washington and the way it was operating that they would throw the ins out and bring the outs in.”
-Norm Ornstein
Democrats were tyrannical socialists bent on destroying the American way of life. Republicans who worked with Democrats were traitors in the war for seats in Congress. He picked fights with both sides. Those fights were reported on by the media, rare dramas in the dull political landscape. This raised Gingrich’s profile further. The more outlandish his accusations, the more colorful his insults, the more coverage he received and the more his plan worked.
In the 90s and 2000s, this…
became this…
Compromise was no longer an effective form of government. It was now being considered lost ground in the political war. As Gingrich gained power, Republicans began to realize that his strategy was working. The more Americans were willing to believe that Democrats were out to destroy what they held dear, the more Republicans won elections. Conservatives willing to reach cross the aisle to work with their colleagues were getting forced out and replaced by ideologues who viewed their opponents not as colleagues, but as Gingrich did; as the enemy.
Republicans regained the House, which they hadn’t held in 40 years, and the Senate, which they only had for 6 of the previous 40. Since Newt Gingrich was elected, Republicans have held the House for 20 of 26 years, and the Senate for 16 years during the same frame.
Democrats started to realize what was happening too late. And let’s be real, they still don’t totally understand though. Ideas don’t matter in elections. As Jeff Daniel’s character Will McAvoy asked in The Newsroom, “if liberals are so fucking smart, how come they lose so goddam always?”
^If you follow politics, watch it. Just trust me.
It’s because emotions matter, and Newt Gingrich made people afraid of monsters called Democrats. But the Democrats are starting to figure that out. That’s why Bernie, an unknown in 2012 to all but the most politically-focused, has become such a left-wing force. It’s why Warren has made such a name for herself with her “win the fight” attitude. It’s why Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez handily unseated Joe Crowley. Democrats were still trying to govern the old way, and they just kept losing. So now they’re electing people who will fight back against the Republicans in more or less the same way. Conservatives may hate AOC, but she’s a devil of their own design, the next step for Democrats in this new, sick political arms race.
^It’s why liberals celebrated this picture like it was a sarcastic Mona Lisa.
Now, 66% of Republicans and 50% of Democrats don’t just disagree with each other, they believe the opposite parties policies are an actual threat to the nation.
That’s how we got here. Not because people argued more on social media, or we opened ourselves up to fake news. It’s because this sumbitch had the idea to make his fellow Americans the enemy.
A lot of the comments have added different elements that have also impacted discourse in the US, and I don’t disagree. Newt Gingrich wasn’t the first to try this strategy, and he also didn’t exist in a vacuum. I’m not dismissing the numerous people and trends that all pushed things in the direction where we currently are. I wanted to point out who I felt had the greatest individual impact.
I argue with both conservative and liberal friends about this exact subject often. Both sides are racing away from each other as fast as they can, but the reasons for it aren’t the same.
The trigger was not social media. It was actually this man.
No, that is not a stock photo of a generic white man. It’s former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.
Before Trump or McConnell or Ted Cruz, Pelosi or AOC or Bernie, there was Newt MFing Gingrich.
Since the US functionally has a two party system, both parties once knew the only way to govern was through a method that now is viewed as abhorrent: compromise. While the parties often disagreed, there was a loyalty to the institution of the US Government over party affiliation.
Believe it or not, there was a time when the US political parties were not the tribal messes they are now. Nixon, a Republican, wasn’t ousted by Democrats. It was his own party that forced him out of office. Granted, they paid the price for it. Democrats controlled House and Senate, and maintained that control for many years. It looked like Republicans would never win again.
But, during that time, the parties worked together. A party couldn’t always count on their representatives voting on party lines 100% of the time, and so the understanding was that if you needed something done, you reached across the aisle, because both sides were working towards the same goal, albeit in different ways.
Then along came ole Mr. Gingrich. He had a theory, that politics was not about governing for the people. It was a war for power that needed to be won, and the Republican Party wasn’t nasty enough to win it.
“One of the great problems we have in the Republican Party is that we don’t encourage you to be nasty. We encourage you to be neat, obedient, and loyal, and faithful, and all those Boy Scout words, which would be great around the campfire but are lousy in politics.
-Newt Gingrich
^Newt speaking to West Georgia College. He later stole all their Christmas presents, to teach them a lesson on trickle down economics
Newt identified a hole in US politics. Previously, it was believed you needed to have good ideas to win elections. He disproved that by showing legislators don’t need to legislate to win seats…they needed to make people afraid of an enemy. And that’s what he did. He flung insults, he picked fights, he pushed conspiracy theories against his Democratic and Republican colleagues alike. If he could stop the whole government machine from functioning, he knew the American people would throw it out the window.
“His idea was to build toward a national election where people were so disgusted by Washington and the way it was operating that they would throw the ins out and bring the outs in.”
-Norm Ornstein
Democrats were tyrannical socialists bent on destroying the American way of life. Republicans who worked with Democrats were traitors in the war for seats in Congress. He picked fights with both sides. Those fights were reported on by the media, rare dramas in the dull political landscape. This raised Gingrich’s profile further. The more outlandish his accusations, the more colorful his insults, the more coverage he received and the more his plan worked.
In the 90s and 2000s, this…
became this…
Compromise was no longer an effective form of government. It was now being considered lost ground in the political war. As Gingrich gained power, Republicans began to realize that his strategy was working. The more Americans were willing to believe that Democrats were out to destroy what they held dear, the more Republicans won elections. Conservatives willing to reach cross the aisle to work with their colleagues were getting forced out and replaced by ideologues who viewed their opponents not as colleagues, but as Gingrich did; as the enemy.
Republicans regained the House, which they hadn’t held in 40 years, and the Senate, which they only had for 6 of the previous 40. Since Newt Gingrich was elected, Republicans have held the House for 20 of 26 years, and the Senate for 16 years during the same frame.
Democrats started to realize what was happening too late. And let’s be real, they still don’t totally understand though. Ideas don’t matter in elections. As Jeff Daniel’s character Will McAvoy asked in The Newsroom, “if liberals are so fucking smart, how come they lose so goddam always?”
^If you follow politics, watch it. Just trust me.
It’s because emotions matter, and Newt Gingrich made people afraid of monsters called Democrats. But the Democrats are starting to figure that out. That’s why Bernie, an unknown in 2012 to all but the most politically-focused, has become such a left-wing force. It’s why Warren has made such a name for herself with her “win the fight” attitude. It’s why Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez handily unseated Joe Crowley. Democrats were still trying to govern the old way, and they just kept losing. So now they’re electing people who will fight back against the Republicans in more or less the same way. Conservatives may hate AOC, but she’s a devil of their own design, the next step for Democrats in this new, sick political arms race.
^It’s why liberals celebrated this picture like it was a sarcastic Mona Lisa.
Now, 66% of Republicans and 50% of Democrats don’t just disagree with each other, they believe the opposite parties policies are an actual threat to the nation.
That’s how we got here. Not because people argued more on social media, or we opened ourselves up to fake news. It’s because this sumbitch had the idea to make his fellow Americans the enemy.
A lot of the comments have added different elements that have also impacted discourse in the US, and I don’t disagree. Newt Gingrich wasn’t the first to try this strategy, and he also didn’t exist in a vacuum. I’m not dismissing the numerous people and trends that all pushed things in the direction where we currently are. I wanted to point out who I felt had the greatest individual impact.
Thats National Polls (Most come from NY and CA) Looks like Some of the Riots are backfiring
Does not Look to good for Joe Biden, They had a Primary Election in Pennsylvania Yesterday and Donald Trump Got More Votes Then all the democratic candidates combined. (PA is a swing state)
He is moving up in Swing States
Biden's lead is too narrow in Florida. We have a Republican governor, two GOP Senators, and a GOP controlled house and senate. These folks are already trying to stop excons from voting (unsuccessfully so far thanks to a ruling). The voter suppression is going to be HEAVY.
Also Val Demings as VP doesn't necessarily help in Florida since she's never held statewide office.
Also Val Demings as VP doesn't necessarily help in Florida since she's never held statewide office.
Thats National Polls (Most come from NY and CA) Looks like Some of the Riots are backfiring
Does not Look to good for Joe Biden, They had a Primary Election in Pennsylvania Yesterday and Donald Trump Got More Votes Then all the democratic candidates combined. (PA is a swing state)
He is moving up in Swing States
Joe Biden has to get young people and the BernieBros Excited or he will not make it to the finish line.
Also I don't trust polls there completely useless. Joe Biden was suppose to win PA, and he is struggling when you look at the primary early results.
Trump even won his own hometown.
Thats National Polls (Most come from NY and CA) Looks like Some of the Riots are backfiring
Does not Look to good for Joe Biden, They had a Primary Election in Pennsylvania Yesterday and Donald Trump Got More Votes Then all the democratic candidates combined. (PA is a swing state)
He is moving up in Swing States
Need PA & Wi bad....
I officially don't care about Polls. Joe Biden was up in PA by 8 points and Trump Beat Him in a Uncontested Primary Election.
Yeah There is definite a silent majority. Trump even Beat Obamas record in 2012.
I told you the Riots backfired. Having a Bunch a Niggas lotting is not going to make Working Class whites vote Democrat.
No doubt. You can already see it starting. It's gonna be crazy how many republicans "opposed" Trump "behind the scenes" after he gets washed in November.
The betting sites were your go-to to deny the polls. Now Trump is getting washed on practically ALL the major betting sites now.I officially don't care about Polls. Joe Biden was up in PA by 8 points and Trump Beat Him in a Uncontested Primary Election.
Yeah There is definite a silent majority. Trump even Beat Obamas record in 2012.
I told you the Riots backfired. Having a Bunch a Niggas lotting is not going to make Working Class whites vote Democrat.
RealClearPolitics - Betting Odds - 2020 U.S. President
RealClearPolitics - Betting Odds - 2020 U.S. President
All Trump Needs is PA and Florida and the Election is over.
If Joe Biden can't even win His Homestate in a Primary Election, He will get smoked in the General Election and there is NO way he is winning Florida if you can do well in a blue state like PA.
Joe Biden needs to get off his ass, and Stop listening to polls, Like Dumb Ass Hilary Clinton Did, and Start going hard and campaigning.
Yeah Trump is a bad guy but don't think people are NOT going to vote for him.
The betting sites were your go-to to deny the polls. Now Trump is getting washed on practically ALL the major betting sites now.
RealClearPolitics - Betting Odds - 2020 U.S. President
RealClearPolitics - Betting Odds - 2020 U.S. Presidentwww.realclearpolitics.com
Brand new Battleground Polls came out today, So give it until at least Friday/Monday to reflect in the RCP average.
They have to update there numbers every 48 Hours. If the Betting Odds stay the same for 2 weeks. Trump is toast.
But After The Primary Results last night. He will be ok, Joe Biden better get the BernieBros and Strong Black Turnout.
Which I don't think Blacks will come out like that in November, Because you look at Philadelphia, Montgomery, Bucks County,
Black and Youth Turnout was at historic lows for the democrats.
I encourage you to read about the rise of authoritarian regimes throughout the world. We have this romantic notion that "it could never happen here" but that's simply not realistic. The list of "unprecedented" actions Trump and his regime have taken while we all watch in disbelief grows larger everyday and folks are still unwilling to contemplate the obvious.
How hard is it to imagine that Trump will use some disaster (real or manufactured by his sheer incompetence/dishonesty) to justify postponing elections until "order is restored"? Just think of all the things he's done so far which fly in the face of precedent, tradition etc. All the "norms" cast aside. All the many Congressional and institutional bulwarks meant to contain tyrants exposed as so much drywall. It's not far fetched at all to be skeptical about elections actually taking place in these circumstances.
Let's hope it all pans out alright tho.
Re: Them Internal Polls
Let it breathe bitch nigga. Let it breathe...
Let it breathe bitch nigga. Let it breathe...
It’s a little bit too late for that now But he will take a lot of Republicans down with him so they may try to go that route if he listens to them
I don't think the vast majority of his voting base cares.
I hate to keep saying it, but the polls in 2012 had Clinton in a fucking landslide and she fucking lost. I don't believe a damn poll when it comes to elections with Agent Orange...CAC's fucking love him only many won't publicly admit it. GOP has been very consistent over decades with their voting numbers...Dems, not so much. It's going to take a massive amount of voters who didn't bother voting last time in the swing states of FL, PA, MI, and WI actually voting close to the numbers that we did for Obama during his 2 terms. We are still in real danger of another 4 years of this clown. If you live in those states, it's imperative that you get out and vote and don't pay attention to these polls.
Clinton did win the Popular vote in 2016 by almost 3 million votes.
The Electoral College and Voter fraud fuckery was afoot.
What's going to be different this time...the electoral college is not going away.
Taking national polls isn't the key, it's the swing states.
And Kelly Ann Conway is going to have sex pamphlet with her husband and saying that it was all a plan.
The president being a bozo isn’t the problem. It’s the fact that these career politicians had absolutely no fight in them. They all went along with it. It’s not that we didn’t know people were herd it’s that we never really tried to change our behavior.
12 point lead ... why is it so low still? 100K dead only put Biden's lead in the low double digits. I want to be happy about this, but his lead should have started in the low double digits after everyone bowed out of the race for the nomination and should be in the high 20s to low 30s by now.
Don’t let these white people protesting or saying they don’t like Trump fool you, these CAC’s love Trump in private.
Half the country loves him regardless of what he does
They like him because he understands their plight of trying to retain access to the resources. These people talk about equilibriums, marketplace and all sorts of stupid shit. But they really know if they were to really compete they will high tail it to Mars fleeing religious persecution.
It’s less than half. Less than half.