BGOL review .. BATMAN V SUPERMAN... (thoughts, summary, spoilers)

it would only begin to explain certain things:
how Lex knew Batman's identity
why he was on a mission to get rid of Superman
possibility of a plan on how to eliminate Zod after Superman was dead

Apokalips being involved is not the complete explanation but it opens doors to possibilities of how these plot holes were accomplished

Exactly.... Shit like why was he acting crazy? Was this the true mastermind behind Lex's plans? I would have left the moving wanting to know more about this and not just... Blahhhh what the fuck is going on.
 
I have a simple question.

Why were both Diana Prince and Bruce Wayne at CLARK KENT'S funeral and not SUPERMAN'S funeral?

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I can't believe I'm saying this, but Supergirl just opened up the possibility for Infinite Crisis by bringing in alternate universes. They could even use the DC alternate universes as a explanation for why The Flash on TV is different from The Flash in the movies.
 
I can't believe I'm saying this, but Supergirl just opened up the possibility for Infinite Crisis by bringing in alternate universes. They could even use the DC alternate universes as a explanation for why The Flash on TV is different from The Flash in the movies.

Just watched that shit was gawdawful

Thing is you giving the brain trust at DC/WB too much credit to use such a novel/inventive Idea.
 
Actually based on the plot of MOS you can say they laid the groundwork for supermans return.

I'm loath to actually put this to words but...

In MOS we learn that superman has been imprinted with the genetic matrix of every kryptonian that will ever live. Based on that reasoning only one kryptonian died from the events of BvS out of a countless billion yet to experience life on this earth.

While this next incarnation of a kryptonian living on earth will perhaps have knowledge of Kal El's time here he would not have the lessons Kal El learned from Pa Kent.
 
What, Exactly, Was Lex Luthor’s Plan inBatman v Superman? Vulture Writers Try to Understand

By Kyle Buchanan and Abraham Riesman

Even by the totally convoluted standards set by recent schemingsupervillains, the evil plot concocted by Lex Luthor in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice is a head-scratcher. Many of the other characters spend the film's running time trying to decipher Lex's plans, and the audience may find themselves similarly in the dark. In an attempt to figure out what the hell Lex was trying to do with all those returned checks and magic bullets and rampaging monsters, befuddled Vulture staffers Kyle Buchanan and Abraham Riesman sat down and tried to untangle his motivations. (Note: There are spoilers below.)

Kyle: Let's start with the part of the plan that's teased in the title: Lex Luthor wants to pit Batman and Superman against each other. It would be one thing if Lex was forcing this Batman/Superman match-up because he had beef with both heroes, or if he wanted their battle to serve as a distraction for a whole other scheme he’d been spinning. But in this cinematic universe, Lex Luthor has no history with either Batman or Superman before formulating this plan, and his goals are unclear. Abe, if I asked you to tell me why he wanted that superfight — what Lex hoped to achieve by engineering it — what would the answer be?

Abraham: He wants to prevent Superman from becoming some kind of worldwide dictator? I think? There’s a little bit of villainish soliloquizing that Lex does in the movie’s first act, where he talks about how he never wants to salute a tyrannical government like his East German dad did, and that gives him a slim reason to want to take down Superman. But that still doesn’t explain why he needs Batman to die, too! Given that Lex has the backup plan of defeating Superman with a giant monster built from Kryptonian DNA, why not just start with that? Batman — a powerless human — doesn’t need to be involved at all! Am I missing something?

Kyle: I don’t know, because I think that whole giant-monster thing is a pretty bad backup plan! Why would Lex create Doomsday, a rampaging, unkillable creature that will likely destroy his entire city and will definitely get him thrown in prison? Lex isn’t motivated by traditional bad-guy goals of desiring money or power — he’s got both already, and is likely to lose his fortune and reputation when this monster gets loose and is easily traced back to him. So why would he go to such weird extremes to dispatch Superman, someone he’s never met? Did he really think this Doomsday thing through?

Abraham: Those Millennials, never thinking in the long term. But let’s take a step back and look at the scheming that leads us to that oh-so-pointless gladiator match between Batsy and Supes. In fact, let’s go way back to the movie’s first few minutes. Lois Lane goes on assignment to talk to some terrorists in “Nairomi, Africa,” where she quickly gets taken hostage. Meanwhile, one of the terrorists (later revealed as a double agent on Lex’s payroll) shoots his fellow baddies, and when Superman shows up and saves Lois, the Man of Steel gets blamed for the deaths of all the men at the compound. But why on Earth would anyone think Superman had shot a bunch of people?

Kyle: That made no sense! If Lex really wanted to make it look like Superman killed a bunch of terrorists — which doesn’t even seem that politically objectionable to me, considering our current climate — he should have flambéed them, since Superman would have been far more likely to use his heat vision on those baddies rather than a piddly gun.

But that wasn’t even the most confounding part of Lex’s weirdly convoluted frame-up: Later, he gives a bomb-embedded wheelchair to Scoot McNairy’s disgruntled amputee, who has a bone to pick with Superman since he lost his legs in the Man of Steel’s city-leveling fight with Zod. Lex sets the chair bomb to go off during a congressional hearing, which will kill Holly Hunter’s obstinate senator and potentially pin the crime on Superman. We’re supposed to be impressed by Lex’s malevolent plan … and yet this evil genius still sent his assistant to the hearing to sit there and look mysterious, apparently forgetting that she would likely die in the ensuing explosion. R.I.P., Mercy Graves … you only perished because your boss is an idiot.

Abraham: And again, I genuinely have no idea why anyone would think Superman was involved in blowing up the Capitol Building in the first place.

Kyle: The funny part is, nobody besides Nancy Grace actually seems to think that! Superman is pretty much absolved of the bombing in the very next scene, which makes me wonder why it was a plot point at all.

Abraham: Right! And we don’t even get the sense that Lex is frustrated about that plan not panning out. Couldn’t he have had a more plausible Superman-framing scheme? But let’s talk about my absolute favorite part of Lex’s long con: the threatening messages written on returned checks.Right before the chair bomb goes off, we find out that McNairy’s character has been rejecting the checks that his former employer Bruce Wayne sent him for his medical bills, or something. The return-to-sender checks have scrawled notes to Bruce written on them, saying stuff like “YOU LET THEM DIE” and other references to, uh ... Bruce Wayne failing to stop Superman from fighting Zod, I guess?

Kyle: My favorite check-note was “I HAUNT YOU.” I’d like to believe that he sent it on Valentine’s Day and he actually meant to write “I HEART YOU.”

Abraham: Later, we learn that Lex was actually the one sending the notes. I don’t even know where to begin with this one. Can you explain what the hell the check-note subplot was about and how it fit into the larger scheme?

Kyle: I can’t! I’m not sure why Lex engaged Batman at all, frankly ... if he wanted to goad someone into killing Superman, just give some kryptonite to a remorseless criminal who might actually do the job! The best explanation I can come up with is that, like director Zack Snyder, Lex is just a really big fan of DC’s Trinity and wanted to play elaborate matchmaker to get them all together in one place. How else to explain the mid-movie moment where Lex invites Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne, and Diana Prince to his mansion for a party, then essentially lets the latter two wander around and hack his mainframe? And how is Diana even aware that Lex possesses the photo from the upcoming Wonder Womanmovie an old picture proving she's ageless? Was he taunting her with it, just like he taunted Bruce with those bad checks?

Abraham: Maybe? He does seem to be aware that Diana is a metahuman, given that he has that video of her … at an ATM.

Kyle: I would ask how Lex ever found that decidedly undramatic ATM footage and connected it to a photo of Wonder Woman from World War I, but I think we already know the answer: There isn’t one.

Abraham: So yeah, it’s certainly possible that Lex was trying to get Diana Prince out in the open to expose her, but boy, we get no indication that that’s part of his plan. (Meanwhile, Bruce does a horrible job of sounding credibly innocent when he makes his faux-drunken excuse to Mercy (R.I.P.) about what he’s doing near the computer system; between that and all the flying around blowing stuff up, this Batman is not so great with the whole stealth thing.) I think we’ve more or less established that Lex’s plan is just a collection of happenstances that are thrown into a poorly tossed salad, so let’s move on to my final question: Did Lex invent superhero logos for Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg? His secret stash of QuickTime videos all had fun bits of graphic design associated with them.

Kyle: This, perhaps, is the only thing that Lex did right. If nothing else, he’s got substantial evidence in his favor when it comes to trademark lawsuits! If at first you don’t succeed with your evil, baffling plot to destroy the world's biggest superheroes, just tie them up in litigation and let red tape do the job for you.
 
Why is this the first time that I realized that Lex was the one writing shit on Scott's checks and sending them to Bruce. I thought it was actually Scott doing it himself. I guess my brain just pushed that part out of the movie.

So basically Batman is retarded. This movie made Batman into the most bad ass retard on film. How did he fall for this?
 
Why is this the first time that I realized that Lex was the one writing shit on Scott's checks and sending them to Bruce. I thought it was actually Scott doing it himself. I guess my brain just pushed that part out of the movie.

So basically Batman is retarded. This movie made Batman into the most bad ass retard on film. How did he fall for this?


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so what are the chances of Zack Snyder being dismissed from the DC universe

Why do people keep blaming Zack Snyder? Isn't it the story itself that people seem to be complaining about? Blame the writers?

Lets hope when they make a movie with Darkseid they wont stay true to the comic

Why? What's wrong with him in the comic?

when they rushed to announce JL as soon as MoS had a strong open and traction
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Marvel had 2 Iron Man movies and 1 on the way, Thor Captain America and Hulk in the bag before they announced Avengers and a slate
Disaster was in air - then Zack started to refuse to acknowledge fan issues with MoS - calling them out as less educated on Superman than he etc...

Got a link to this?
 
Just watched that shit was gawdawful

Thing is you giving the brain trust at DC/WB too much credit to use such a novel/inventive Idea.
Zack Snyder directs intricate mazes for blind people. This movie was such a clusterfuck of a mouthful or trash while it tried desperately to be clever it missed like a GI Joe battle scene.

There was so much purple prose that was meaningless to the direction or motivations of the movie that I can't even imagine watching it again to see if there were any good parts. This was a lot like watching a movie's deleted scenes that were purposely added to the movie because someone said it needed to be 45 minutes longer.
 
How did Bruce Wayne get Diane Prince's email address?

I decided to watch the movie again on Kodi, to give it a second opinion and this just suddenly stuck out to me. They never exchanged numbers or cards....
 
Why is this the first time that I realized that Lex was the one writing shit on Scott's checks and sending them to Bruce. I thought it was actually Scott doing it himself. I guess my brain just pushed that part out of the movie.

So basically Batman is retarded. This movie made Batman into the most bad ass retard on film. How did he fall for this?
You're way off base.
 
The director is the leader he NEEDS to take the blame.

Why do people keep blaming Zack Snyder? Isn't it the story itself that people seem to be complaining about? Blame the writers?



Why? What's wrong with him in the comic?



Got a link to this?
 
:lol: i was talking his outfit, one piece swim suit and thigh high boots

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They dropped the outer underwear on Superman, I'm sure Darkseid will lose the leotard and thigh high boots:lol:

His look has changed over years, I'm sure they'll use the new 52 look

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Or Snyder will make up some shit:lol:
 
You're pretty dumb.

Ok what???? Are just joining in after 14 pages of discussion and this is your response.

Ok then answer the question...

Who fucking responds to a question with "you're off base"... "You're pretty dumb".... Give an answer...
 
OK... grownazzblakman.
I'm ready... Defend this shit.

And Go...........
The scene is definitely a setup for the Justice League movie.

Lex is 'getting arrested'.... while learning about Darkseid from the AI computer aboard Zod’s ship.

This is Steppenwolf... Darkseid’s Uncle... and the General of his Army.

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In the video clip, the ‘spheres’ seen floating above his head are the planets in their solar system (i.e. New Genesis & Apokalips) which is located somewhere near Orion’s Belt in the comics.

These planets exist in a parallel dimension, but travel between New Genesis and other worlds is only possible via technology known as ‘boom tubes’ (dimensional gateways that cause a ‘sonic boom’ when created).

On their planets, the gods of New Genesis & Apokalips are giant-sized beings… but travelling through the boom tubes requires them to be ‘scaled down’ to mortal (human-size) proportions.

So in the upcoming Justice League Movie, (if they come to Earth) Steppenwolf will look like a regular human:

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Which means the cubes in the clip, are the ‘Mother Boxes’ that create the Boom Tubes.

Zod’s ship would have the similar technology as Kal-El’s ship (since they are both from Krypton)

As seen in MoS, when Jor-El tells Clark about the ‘History of Krypton'.... the Kryptonian shipboard computer creates a ‘collage’ of silvery-looking images:



So Zod's ship does the same thing...

And in the ‘Communion’ clip, we see these same images of Steppenwolf ‘disperse’ the same way it worked on Kal-El’s ship, in MoS, when Lex gets arrested.

Just my guess...

- Steppenwolf is the 'main villain' of the first Justice League 1 movie.
- Darkseid is the 'main villain' of the Justice League 2 movie sequel.

Making Steppenwolf the 'main villain' FIRST makes sense... because then they could include that chic Fury (who is a half-Amazon)... and give Wonder Woman a kick-ass opponent (like how Zod had that chic Faora at his side, in Man of Steel).

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People woulda been confused then a muthafucka and the know this.
:rolleyes:

What probably happened with BvS… is what happens to ALOT of movies:
  • The Director makes a movie.
  • It has all the scenes needed that answer alot of the ‘casual movie-goers’ questions. (Or maybe not :dunno:)
  • But it runs 3-hours long.
  • However, the WB Executives want to make money. And LOTS of it.
  • But movie theaters usually need about 1/2 hour between shows… to clean-up all the popcorn in the room.
  • Or they need extra time ‘to reset’ the film for the next audience.
  • So a 3-hour movie only has roughly 4 ‘showtimes’ per day / per screen (around 12 noon, 3:30pm, 7:00 pm, 10:30 pm or whatever)
  • But a 2.5 hour movie has roughly 5 ‘showtimes’ per day / per screen (around 12 noon, 3:00pm, 6:00pm, 9:00 pm, and one ’late show’ around 12 midnight)
  • It all depends on the individual movie theater and ‘how early’ they decide to open their doors.
  • So the WB Executives make the Director to ‘scrap’ about 1/2 hour of the movie.
  • So they can have at least 1 additional showtime, per screen. And make more money.
  • So the Director is FORCED to start cutting out scenes. (30 seconds here, 1 minute there, 2 minutes over there, etc.)
  • Sometimes those scenes make ALL the difference between some folks really hating a particular movie…
  • And sometimes it doesn’t matter… some folks still like the movie anyway. :cool:
  • At the end of the day… it’s still a BIG gamble. :yes:
 
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The scene is definitely a setup for the Justice League movie.

Lex is 'getting arrested'.... while learning about Darkseid from the AI computer aboard Zod’s ship.

This is Steppenwolf... Darkseid’s Uncle... and the General of his Army.

NEzIWrZHcJs6DD_2_b.jpg

300px-Steppenwolf.png


In the video clip, the ‘spheres’ seen floating above his head are the planets in their solar system (i.e. New Genesis & Apokalips) which is located somewhere near Orion’s Belt in the comics.

These planets exist in a parallel dimension, but travel between New Genesis and other worlds is only possible via technology known as ‘boom tubes’ (dimensional gateways that cause a ‘sonic boom’ when created).

On their planets, the gods of New Genesis & Apokalips are giant-sized beings… but travelling through the boom tubes requires them to be ‘scaled down’ to mortal (human-size) proportions.

So in the upcoming Justice League Movie, (if they come to Earth) Steppenwolf will look like a regular human:

steppenwolf.jpg


Which means the cubes in the clip, are the ‘Mother Boxes’ that create the Boom Tubes.

Zod’s ship would have the similar technology as Kal-El’s ship (since they are both from Krypton)

As seen in MoS, when Jor-El tells Clark about the ‘History of Krypton'.... the Kryptonian shipboard computer creates a ‘collage’ of silvery-looking images:



So Zod's ship does the same thing...

And in the ‘Communion’ clip, we see these same images of Steppenwolf ‘disperse’ the same way it worked on Kal-El’s ship, in MoS, when Lex gets arrested.

Just my guess...

- Steppenwolf is the 'main villain' of the first Justice League 1 movie.
- Darkseid is the 'main villain' of the Justice League 2 movie sequel.

Making Steppenwolf the 'main villain' FIRST makes sense... because then they could include that chic Fury (who is a half-Amazon)... and give Wonder Woman a kick-ass opponent (like how Zod had that chic Faora at his side, in Man of Steel).

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Well... Ok I'm cool with this. I really wish they left this scene in.
 
:rolleyes:

What probably happened with BvS… is what happens to ALOT of movies:
  • The Director makes a movie.
  • It has all the scenes needed that answer alot of the ‘casual movie-goers’ questions. (Or maybe not :dunno:)
  • But it runs 3-hours long.
  • However, the WB Executives want to make money. And LOTS of it.
  • But movie theaters usually need about 1/2 hour between shows… to clean-up all the popcorn in the room.
  • Or they need extra time ‘to reset’ the film for the next audience.
  • So a 3-hour movie only has roughly 4 ‘showtimes’ per day / per screen (around 12 noon, 3:30pm, 7:00 pm, 10:30 pm or whatever)
  • But a 2.5 hour movie has 5 roughly ‘showtimes’ per day / per screen (around 12 noon, 3:00pm, 6:00pm, 9:00 pm, and one ’late show’ around 12 midnight)
  • It all depends on the individual movie theater and ‘how early’ they decide to open their doors.
  • So the WB Executives make the Director to ‘scrap’ a 1/2 hour of the movie.
  • So they can have at least 1 additional showtime, per screen. And make more money.
  • So the Director is FORCED to start cutting out scenes. (30 seconds here, 1 minute there, 2 minutes over there, etc.)
  • Sometimes those scenes make ALL the difference between some folks really hating a particular movie…
  • And sometimes it doesn’t matter… some folks still like the movie anyway. :cool:
  • At the end of the day… it’s still a BIG gamble. :yes:

Dude this was the greatest thing that you have said in this entire thread because I guarantee that is exactly what happened. That's why I'm really trying not to blame Zach Snyder for this until I see the complete r-rated version.
 
:rolleyes:

What probably happened with BvS… is what happens to ALOT of movies:
  • The Director makes a movie.
  • It has all the scenes needed that answer alot of the ‘casual movie-goers’ questions. (Or maybe not :dunno:)
  • But it runs 3-hours long.
  • However, the WB Executives want to make money. And LOTS of it.
  • But movie theaters usually need about 1/2 hour between shows… to clean-up all the popcorn in the room.
  • Or they need extra time ‘to reset’ the film for the next audience.
  • So a 3-hour movie only has roughly 4 ‘showtimes’ per day / per screen (around 12 noon, 3:30pm, 7:00 pm, 10:30 pm or whatever)
  • But a 2.5 hour movie has 5 roughly ‘showtimes’ per day / per screen (around 12 noon, 3:00pm, 6:00pm, 9:00 pm, and one ’late show’ around 12 midnight)
  • It all depends on the individual movie theater and ‘how early’ they decide to open their doors.
  • So the WB Executives make the Director to ‘scrap’ a 1/2 hour of the movie.
  • So they can have at least 1 additional showtime, per screen. And make more money.
  • So the Director is FORCED to start cutting out scenes. (30 seconds here, 1 minute there, 2 minutes over there, etc.)
  • Sometimes those scenes make ALL the difference between some folks really hating a particular movie…
  • And sometimes it doesn’t matter… some folks still like the movie anyway. :cool:
  • At the end of the day… it’s still a BIG gamble. :yes:
Before all this shit happens one key thing is missing. The writers have to deliver a good script, actually being faithful to the source material is pretty good also since you know, people go see these movies because there has been about 60 years worth of stories. These "comic" movies are pretty much movies based on novels at this point. We don't need to see Batman's origin story for the 100th time, at this point it's like everyone knowing Jesus is gonna end up on a cross. The stories are fine the way they are.
 
How did Bruce Wayne get Diane Prince's email address?

I decided to watch the movie again on Kodi, to give it a second opinion and this just suddenly stuck out to me. They never exchanged numbers or cards....
world's greatest detective - wish he was a member of bgol though
 
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