Of Course. Vettel climb back thru the pack. His partner couldn't handle that pressure and their tire strategy didnt work. I say Hamilton would have been victorious today regardless. Merc managed their team perfectly today
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Kimi tore his tyres up A. Because Lewis is quicker, and Kimi could never break DRS making him pit earlier than he shouldve. I honestly don't think Seb would have had that issue had he been out front. And B. Bottas backing Kimi up and taking whatever life his tyres had left out before Bottas pitted. Ham did everything he was supposed to do.
But frankly as a Ferrari fan I'm getting annoyed with Seb short circuiting under pressure. That wreck was on Seb. Lewis got the run on him and had the better position going into that chicane. Hit him with a classic switch back going into the Lesmo 1, or hell just tuck in to 3rd place and get him when they enable DRS. I know its the first lap, and hindsight is hindsight. But this race of all races, in better machinery... PLAY. THE LONG GAME!!! Personally I'd like rather have a different lineup next year. I've always liked Kimi, but I'd rather give up on him a year too early than a year too late. I really wanted Ricky, in a Ferrari.
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Fuck Ferrari as long as they hold onto that veto. Race fair and then you get props.
I am Tifosi. But today's race was all that F1 is supposed to be... And Kimi and Lewis swapping the lead in two turns was breathtaking.
Considering they're the only team not based in the UK throughout history, theres a valid reason Ferrari was given veto power. In 2018 it may not be necessary, but at 1 point it was. Also without Ferraris name plate F1 wouldn't be what it is today, they have done more for the sport than anyone. Teams have come and gone for a variety of reasos. (Mercedes included) But there is always Ferreri. They deserve what they get, even at the expense of other teams.
Mercedes has been by far the fastest car for 4 years, and Red Bull for 4 years before that... So what??? Yes the Ferrari is slightly faster... And??? Lewis is quicker than Kimi... Lewis and Bottas tactically working together gave Kimi no chance at winning. And wasn't Lewis whining just a week ago??? Talking about "tricks" knowing how it would be taken???
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What are you arguing really? I am talking about Ferrari fans who are complaining about Bottas , Mercedes spit crew, the sun outside except their drivers and their strategists... And you are talking about LH.
If you're not sure what I am talking about let it be my brother.
Again, FUCK all the Ferrari fans that have been whining since SV crashed on LH on lap one of today's race. Especially those that were singing "fuck you Hamilton" during the podium ceremony.
If you're not sure what I am talking about let it be my brother.
Again, FUCK all the Ferrari fans that have been whining since SV crashed on LH on lap one of today's race. Especially those that were singing "fuck you Hamilton" during the podium ceremony.
Not at all. Enzo the snake used that bullshit "logic" to sway the powers that be. They thought the Ford Cosworth was a beast (and it was) so they didn't really pay much attention to the agreement. Plus you had a grip of legendary constructors and pilots. And most of the teams that left F1 and other series was precisely BECAUSE of Ferrari and their manipulations. I wonder if you know how much of a bastard Enzo was. He routinely bankrupted other teams that were quicker, stole designs and raced dirty af. That's why every other manufacturer was rooting for Ford when they had their showdown. Nobody admitted it then but years later all the tea got spilled.
I don't deny they make some beautiful machines but as far as F1 goes, I hope they lose every race because in my eyes they're playing unfairly. GT is a different story but they can't see Porsche's tail lights there so...
If you think Ferrari has done more for racing than any other marque, then you're either a fan or uneducated because they haven't. Yes, they've done a lot but they've also retarded the sport a lot by their actions.
I follow drivers and if Lewis was in the cockpit for Ferrari, I'd root for him. I wouldn't root for them though because they've always been cheats.
I said they've done more for Formula 1, and it wouldn't be where it is today. I stand by that. Other forms of motorsport dont factor in that stance.
As far as cheating goes... Allot goes on behind the scenes with any and all teams at the top. You can't point out past blood on Enzo hands and not point out other scandals. Spygate, Crashgate, Liegate, tyre manufacturers bending rules etc... Frankly any team that's successful will have shady tactics if you dig enough. I've heard Enzo was a royal dick. Its well documented even. But again, to act like Ferrari are cheats historically and everyone else played by the rules to the letter is being disingenuous.
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No. I'm in reference to their manipulation of rules changes. Yes, other teams have been caught cheating (my favorite was the shot in the Tyrrells) but that's racing. I'm talking about Enzo destroying people and teams because they were better than him by exerting influence over rules. And if that didn't work bankrupting them or stealing their ideas. If you think he was a real dick, you have no idea. He was a monumental dick. I've read two books about him and I couldn't believe the shit he did. There's also references to him in other books on racing that are deplorable. But his marketing campaign was superb. Admittedly backed by wonderful machines. But really, if another team had committed to racing the way Ferrari did, they would have been Ferrari. It's just that no other works cared enough. So you say Ferrari did so much for F1 and maybe they did. But it's mostly by default. Nobody else wanted the job.
Love on the podium when he said he feeds off the negativity and booing, basically letting them know, it's motivation to destroy Vettel again. Funny thing is, if Vettel would just keep his nerves in check, he would've probably won that race. Ferrari would've found a way to get him in front of Kimi.
Max is head case when it comes to defending on the track and swears he's not doing shit wrong. It'll be interesting to see how Gasly deals with that next year.
Budkowski's first move for Renault. Snitch ass mofo got FIA connects for sure feeding him info. This is how they'll eventually make it to race wins.
not really.... if you observe the older heads...last year (and 2016) they've been observing his antics....esp Vettel in Mexico when he hinted "someone will put Max into a wall"...fast forward to 2018...they've adjusted to his style and he cant handle it....one or two balsy moves granted...but the older heads are now like "come at us Bruv"...
Honestly, RBR hasn't really mixed it up with Merc or Ferrari this year. We'll see.....
I'm excited. I never get to watch Indy races, but it'll be great to see they speed comparison for F1 vs Indy and to actually see Indycars on a proper F1 circuit too.
I'm excited. I never get to watch Indy races, but it'll be great to see they speed comparison for F1 vs Indy and to actually see Indycars on a proper F1 circuit too.
I'm not sure if they are going to use the same layout but it would be fun to do the comparisons.
I don't see why they wouldn't honestly. Unless they're just trying to do something different from F1 for the sake of looking different.
Here's an article I found.
A Youtuber named David Land mentioned something about track limits
Circuit of The Americas will become the only venue to host both IndyCar and Formula 1 next season, but there are no guarantees a direct comparison between the two series will be possible.
The 2019 IndyCar schedule was confirmed on Tuesday morning, with COTA taking its spot as the second race of the season after the opener in St. Petersburg. With no other IndyCar venue hosting Formula 1, Austin could provide the opportunity to see how the two series stack up against each other on the same track, but COTA chairman Bobby Epstein told RACER there may be changes made to the layout by March.
“I agree, you’re going to have comparisons and we were actually looking at track modifications,” Epstein said. “There are two that we’ve considered. Years ago we did an Aussie V8 race and we had a different track configuration. We’ve got a slight modification that we think would be really fun to run with the IndyCars. It’s something we’re looking at, for sure. I don’t think the side-by-side comparisons are good for anybody, it’s really about the excitement of the race.”
When asked if those modifications would mean using the different layouts that shorten the track by cutting from Turn 6 to the middle of the back straight, Epstein says a new layout could be constructed.
“There’s a lot of flexibility in that area of things you can do,” he said. “It involves asphalt that’s not there today. We’ve got two designs in place that we’re looking at, and we’re looking at the cost of it. On the other hand, if we don’t do the modification, we’re looking at some creative things we can do in terms of some infield camping opportunities.
“We want it to be a unique event on its own, and I think the nature of the American spirit and what we can build around an IndyCar event doesn’t need to be identical to any other event we have. We’re really looking at things we can do in terms of the on-site weekend experience for the fans.
“This came together very quickly. So from a planning standpoint we’ve got a pretty short runway from here to March, but we’re going to do a lot of things we can do. Both taking advantage of what we think are already existing fun assets, and looking at other things that would be unique twists to the IndyCar event.”
Like I said, they’d only be changing it to be different from F1 which is weak as fuck. They don’t change the layout for MotoGp or IMSA why Indy? Indy fans I’m sure are looking forward to the comparison contrary to what this fool is saying.
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Cause if those "Euro toys" come over here to Murica and have faster lap times... Theyre gonna flip their shit.
Basically, now this muthafucka starting to sound like the Texas Speedway dude that kept COTA of the Indy calendar because he was paranoid as shit it was going eat his speedway attendance. No wonder Indy ain't shit. These fools are scared to evolve anything. Any race fan knows Indycars aren't beating F1 cars in horsepower these days. Indy is 750 max with push to pass and F1 is already past the 1000 mark for Merc and Ferrari. I'm guessing Indy car laps times would be slightly better than GP2/F2. Indy can fix that easily though if they wanted.Cause if those "Euro toys" come over here to Murica and have faster lap times... Theyre gonna flip their shit.
https://racer.com/2018/09/13/indycar-plans-to-use-cotas-f1-configuration/
Indy plans to use COTA's F1 configuration
Indy plans to use COTA's F1 configuration
Wouldn’t this be like Alonso? He’s not going to win at sauber. Someone please enlighten me
Here, lemme sprinkles some tenths on dat ass.
F1 cars have run on Indy courses before. And vice-versa. The differences in the cars have been long established. They're two completely different types of cars. What I like about the Indy cars is that they're still noisy. Not whiny like they made the F1s.
New F1 proposal for 2021 designs. I'm looking for to this simpler front wing next year to see if that improves following.
I'm looking forward simpler aero rules. The 18 wheels should bring some cool innovation in the suspensions and braking. Don't know what the plans are for the engine, but 2.4 V8 where fine with me. Didn't see the need to change that to the current formula especially in hindsight.
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