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Then the LORD said to Satan, " Have you considered my servant Job: There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."
" Does Job fear God for nothing?" Satan replied. " Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But spread out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."
The LORD said to Satan, " Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands but on the man himself do not lay a finger."
Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD.
The word 'satan' throughout this passage has the article: 'ha-satan'. Here we are not reading about an adversary or an enemy, butthe Adversary, the Enemy. This enemy is presented as approaching God in heaven and challenging Job's integrity. Incidentally, that's why the Bible also calls him 'diabolos' or devil, meaning " slanderer" or " accuser" , and the Greek translation of Job here uses the word 'diabolos'. The Enemy or the Accuser approached God and accused Job of obeying God just because God had blessed him. To prove that Job's faith was sincere, God permitted Satan to take away Job's possessions.
Verses 13 through 19 describe Satan's attack on Job. Satan incited raiding parties to carry off Job's oxen and camels and to kill most of his servants. He sent fire from the sky to burn up Job's sheep and summoned a tornado to destroy Job's sons and daughters. But Job passed the test. After all his possessions were taken away, he still obeyed God.
According to this passage Satan killed most of Job servants but only by the urging of God, were sure Job passed the test, but what about the poor people who died as a result of this sick bet??? How can you Christians be ok with this bullshit???
" Does Job fear God for nothing?" Satan replied. " Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But spread out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."
The LORD said to Satan, " Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands but on the man himself do not lay a finger."
Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD.
The word 'satan' throughout this passage has the article: 'ha-satan'. Here we are not reading about an adversary or an enemy, butthe Adversary, the Enemy. This enemy is presented as approaching God in heaven and challenging Job's integrity. Incidentally, that's why the Bible also calls him 'diabolos' or devil, meaning " slanderer" or " accuser" , and the Greek translation of Job here uses the word 'diabolos'. The Enemy or the Accuser approached God and accused Job of obeying God just because God had blessed him. To prove that Job's faith was sincere, God permitted Satan to take away Job's possessions.
Verses 13 through 19 describe Satan's attack on Job. Satan incited raiding parties to carry off Job's oxen and camels and to kill most of his servants. He sent fire from the sky to burn up Job's sheep and summoned a tornado to destroy Job's sons and daughters. But Job passed the test. After all his possessions were taken away, he still obeyed God.
According to this passage Satan killed most of Job servants but only by the urging of God, were sure Job passed the test, but what about the poor people who died as a result of this sick bet??? How can you Christians be ok with this bullshit???
To suggest that he was regretful, repentant, sorry or grieved doesn't make sense to any one using critical thinking. A perfect all knowing being would not create a flawed creation. Regret, repenting, sorrow and grief are human attributes. Human emotions. The closest to human traits or emotions that the god of the bible might portray are masochism and or a mentally unstable child. Not an omnipotent creator.
The use of “satan” and “devil” in the Bible
“Satan” in the Old Testament
We have reproduced the Young’s Concordance entry for both "satan" and "devil" to enable you to do an in-depth study of this subject if you wish.
In the Old Testament satan is used of people. Sometimes the word "satan" is translated "adversary":
Satan as a person
Echo
1 Samuel 29 v 4;
2 Samuel 19 v 22;
1 Kings 5 v 4; 11 v 14, 23, 25;
Psalm 38 v 20; 71 v 13.
We can see that "satan" is used of people who oppose other people in various ways.
Numbers 22 v 22 Then God’s anger was aroused because he went, and the Angel of the Lord took His stand in the way as an adversary against him. And he was riding on his donkey, and his two servants were with him.
In this verse we see that an Angel sent from God was a satan when he stood in the way to obstruct or oppose Balaam on his donkey.
The identification of "satan" in Job is not so straightforward. There has been much argument and discussion about the identity of satan in the book of Job. But, as we saw in the "Temptation" section, the Bible is more concerned about our reaction to temptation, rather than the things that lead to us being tempted.
Job 2 v 3 Then the Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil? And still he holds fast to his integrity, although you incited Me against him, to destroy him without cause."
The words of satan against Job move God to test Job, who clearly understood that his present unpleasant circumstances were from God, as Job 2 v 9 and 10 show. Job 1 v 11 and 42 v 11 also show that God was the power behind Job’s sufferings. The satan did exactly what the serpent did in Eden. The satan in Job was involved in the circumstances that tested Job’s commitment to God. Also, as in the case of the serpent, satan was involved in the circumstances and is not mentioned again.
So we have seen that the Old Testament uses satan to describe any one who opposes another. The motive for opposition can be bad, as we saw in the references in Psalms, or good, as in the case of the Angel who opposed Balaam. The Job passage has shown us that where it is difficult to determine the identity of the satan, he is still under God’s control and has no power of his own. Satan is not mentioned after he has caused the circumstances that tested Job. If you look at the references to satan in the Young’s Concordance entry, you will see that there is no mention of satan having any power similar to God’s.
“Devil” in the Old Testament
The word "devil" occurs only four times in the Authorised Version of the Old Testament, and not at all in the New King James and New International Versions.
The references in the Authorised Version are:
- Leviticus 17 v 7
- Deuteronomy 32 v 17
- 2Chronicles 11 v 15
- and Psalm 106 v 37
Summary of Old Testament teaching on the devil and satan
- Satan is used of people who oppose others or wish evil on others
- Satan is used of angels who oppose people for their good
- The satan of Job was under God’s control and used God’s power
- The Old Testament uses the term "devil" in the Authorised Version of false gods
- The satan of Job was involved in the circumstances that tested Job’s faith in God
- The satan of Job plays a minor role and his identity is not revealed
- There is no satan who has the power to rival that of the Lord God
“Satan” in the New Testament
In the New Testament the concept of "satan" seems in places to be extended from the Old Testament concept of physical opposition to include opposition from thoughts and ideas as well.
We will look at some of the occurrences of "satan" and see how the New Testament uses the word.
Mark 8 v 33 But when He had turned around and looked at His disciples, He rebuked Peter, saying, "Get behind Me, Satan! For you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."
As we saw in the Old Testament, people who oppose are called satan. Here Peter opposes Jesus. He tries to stop him doing God’s Will. He puts thoughts of disobedience into Jesus’ mind, but it is up to Jesus to make up his own mind whether he will act on them. Notice how Jesus immediately rejects this temptation.
1 Thessalonians 2 v 18 Therefore we wanted to come to you–even I, Paul, time and again--but Satan hindered us.
We are not told in this verse what the hindrance was, but it was opposition which prevented Paul from seeing the Thessalonians. Acts 17 v 1 to 9 tells us that the political uproar after Paul’s visit was such that he could not return, a brother called Jason had been bound over to keep the peace.
Acts 5 v 2 to 4 And he [Ananias] kept back part of the proceeds, his wife also being aware of it, and brought a certain part and laid it at the apostles' feet.
But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself?
While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."
Here we are told exactly what is meant when it says "satan filled your heart" - notice verse 4 says "Why have you conceived this thing in your heart?". "Satan" means Ananias’ evil thoughts about lying to God.
Luke 22 v 3 Then Satan entered Judas, surnamed Iscariot, who was numbered among the twelve.
Here we see that opposition in the form of the idea to betray Jesus had occurred or been suggested to Judas. Circumstances were testing him to see if he would remain loyal to Jesus or not - he failed the test. Again we see that the identity of the satan is not revealed - it was unimportant in comparison to what Judas was about to do.
Occasionally, it is also used in relation to illness, which opposes or prevents people from living a normal life:
Luke 13 v 16 "So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound - think of it - for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?"
We can see that the New Testament extends the Old Testament use of the word "satan" from physical opposition to include opposition arising from thoughts, ideas and illness. All these things test our faith and trust in God.
“Devildemons" section of the Additional notes.
We will now look at the use of "devil" when it is translated from the word "diabolos" - this is the word used in the record of the temptations of Jesus in Luke 4.
[paste:font size="6"]What does the word “diabolos” mean?
Here is the Strong’s Concordance definition for the word "diabolos":
1228 diabolos {dee-ab'-ol-os}
from 1225; TDNT - 2:72,150; adj
AV - devil 35, false accuser 2, slanderer 1; 38
1) prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely
1a) a calumniator, false accuser, slanderer,
You will see that Young’s Concordance gives an identical meaning if you look at the Young’s Concordance entry.
Some of these are not commonly used words, so it will be helpful to look at what they mean.
Slander - a false report maliciously given to injure a person.
Calumniator - one who charges falsely with something disreputable.
So a devil will be something or someone that makes disreputable false accusations with the intention of leading others astray. The word implies giving false information in an attempt to discredit or harm. We must remember this concept when looking at what the "devil" means. This idea is closely related to the idea of opposition suggested by the word "satan". The devil would seem to be "opposition based on lies or false ideas".
We do in fact see from the records of Jesus’ temptation in the wilderness, that the words "satan" and "devil" appear to be used in a similar way:
Matthew 4 v 1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
Mark 1 v 13 And He was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted by Satan, and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered to Him.
We are told that Jesus was tempted by both satan and the devil.
We also see that "devil" and "satan" are used in similar ways:
John 6 v 70 Jesus answered them, "Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?"
Here we see "devil" used of Judas. We have seen that Peter was a "satan" in Mark 8 v 33. Judas eventually would oppose Jesus in thought and action by betraying him. He was acting on the false idea that Jesus was not the Messiah.
John 13 v 2 And supper being ended, the devil having already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray Him …
"Devil" is here used of opposition arising from thoughts and motives, "satan" is used in the same way in Luke 22 v 3. As we saw in the previous verse, Judas was acting on the false idea that Jesus was not the Messiah.
Acts 10 v 38 "…how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him."
Finally, we can see "devil" used of illness in the same way as "satan" in Luke 13 v 16. Illness came into the world because Adam and Eve listened to the false suggestions of the serpent opposing God’s commands.
Here are some more instances to show the use of the terms "devil" and "satan":
Ephesians 6 v 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
What is the armour of God that will enable us to resist the devil?
Verses 13 to 17 tell us: truth, righteousness, the gospel, faith, salvation and the Word of God. These are all spiritual things, given to us by God through the Bible. If we fill our minds with these things, our thoughts and then our actions will become godly, and we will be able to resist wicked thoughts which tempt us to rebel against God.
James 4 v 7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
James builds on the previous passage. We should give our minds in submission to God. As we fill our minds with godly thoughts, evil, rebellious thoughts will be pushed out - there will be no room for them.
1 Peter 5 v 8 and 9 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.
This passage tells us that we must always be on our guard. As we see in the "Temptations" section, evil thoughts occur to us naturally - we can resist them by being "steadfast in the faith".
James 1 v 12 to 15 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.
Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.
But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
This passage summarises all that we have seen so far:
- Those who show their commitment to God by obeying Him when it is more attractive or easier to rebel will be approved of God and will be given the "crown of life"
- It is circumstances in our lives, not God, which make us have to decide whether or not to follow God’s principles in our lives
- God lays down the principles, it is up to us how we react to circumstances
- We sin when we decide that we would rather "do our own thing" and listen to false ideas, than obey God
it's the one version of God I can get behind.
god is god not man or woman imo
That's cause he's a dumbass, if he read right what he studies he should know.
He created the white man. And that is really nothing to add after that. 
Discussion is 3 pages already and cats taking that bible shit seriously. 3 fucking pages about a book and god cats wouldn't have followed had it not been for slavery.
Whats funny is I am using the words of the book to poke holes in its reasoning or lack of.Discussion is 3 pages already and cats taking that bible shit seriously. 3 fucking pages about a book and god cats wouldn't have followed had it not been for slavery.
You should be showing them that they'd have never read or heard of the book in the first fucking place.
If I created a house, I have TOTAL RIGHTS to that house. It's my property. I am sovereign over that house.
When I destroy that house, nobody can do anything about it. I created it, I own it.
The same with God and man. God made man. If God snuffs out his creation, no one can call him a murderer.
Also, the Creator isn't bound by the rules of his creation.
The Devil knows this that's why he's working the UNFAIRNESS, Cosmic dictator, bully angle.
Any reader of the book of Job must wrap their minds around the KEY REALITY that GOD has His own agenda. We cannot explain it with our VERY LIMITED MINDS. If we were able to, He wouldn't be God. He would be easy to put on a grid, slice and dice. But He isn't. He IS God. While we can comprehend SOME of His essence, ultimately, it all boils down to FAITH.
And Faith leads us to one key fact: God DIED for you on the Cross. That's how much he LOVES you. We have THIS truth to guide us.
Life can seem unfair. Bad things do happen to good people. There are many things we can't explain. But there's no doubt to God's love.
The funny thing about all this is that the moment you BELIEVE that He is greater than you and HIGHER than you, you get LIBERATED. You learn to live a life of TRUST and FAITH.
And for those people who try to BULLY CHRISTIANS by insulting their faith, I sure do hope you guys are intelligent enough to know your history. History teaches that the best way to make religion grow is to PERSECUTE IT.
Any Christian worth his salt will gladly risk RIDICULE for Jesus who DIED for sinners' sins. That's how much GOD loves you. You can HATE him all you want but that won't make his LOVE go away.
why do people always say the woman is the giver of life. ...woman can't just create life out of thin air
takes two to tango....
Your preacher didn't know his bible......
NOTHING YOU DO can save you
Let me repeat that ... ACTS / GOOD WORKS / GOOD EFFORTS do not earn you salvation.....
Only God's grace
We access that through FAITH in Jesus
Think of it this way: If people can be saved because they WORK for salvation, then God won't be God. He would have no choice in who to save or not. It would be a CONTRACTUAL situation (I do this in exchange for you doing that).
No.
The Bible is Clear: Salvation is a FREE GIFT made possible by God's grace. It's HIS CALL and HIS CALL alone.
So based off that logic ia it murder when a parent kills their kid? Well in case you are suggesting it takes two to make a child, what if a scientest were to create a clone of himself, is he not a murderer if he one day decides to kill it?
Even if you choose not to lable them murderers would you consider this person moral and good?
Exodus 34:14
Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
Now if that's not the pot calling the kettle black..
No. A Parent is a CREATED being.
God has NO Creator. No one created God. People don't create other people-they just use the biological system set up by the Creator to procreate (have kids). See the difference?
what about man and a clone??
At the end of the day it goes like this, it does not matter what one say they believe in or not believe in just because it comes out of their mouths. Ya'll know the wisdom "Actions speak louder than words" or "It is not what one believe but how one behave". In other words did ones presence on Earth bring about anything positive or did one cause pain. Humans at this point are going to evolve and devolve and that reckoning will be witness by those who will born in near future generations. Pices is leaving and change is coming. About 150 years to go. All we have to do is keep our bloodlines alive till the end of the Pices period. Aquarius and its energy will do away with the useless disagreeable reptile brain knuckledraggers. Just keep our bloodlines and culture alive.
The use of “satan” and “devil” in the Bible
“Satan” in the Old Testament
We have reproduced the Young’s Concordance entry for both "satan" and "devil" to enable you to do an in-depth study of this subject if you wish.
In the Old Testament satan is used of people. Sometimes the word "satan" is translated "adversary":
Satan as a person
Echo
1 Samuel 29 v 4;
2 Samuel 19 v 22;
1 Kings 5 v 4; 11 v 14, 23, 25;
Psalm 38 v 20; 71 v 13.
We can see that "satan" is used of people who oppose other people in various ways.
Numbers 22 v 22 Then God’s anger was aroused because he went, and the Angel of the Lord took His stand in the way as an adversary against him. And he was riding on his donkey, and his two servants were with him.
In this verse we see that an Angel sent from God was a satan when he stood in the way to obstruct or oppose Balaam on his donkey.
I didn't ask about the use of satan or the devil.
re-read what i asked.
aslo that verse said god's anger?
so god gets angry?
In the Bible especially the old testomony God stays angry, why else would he, according to the stories, would he do so much grimy shit...I didn't ask about the use of satan or the devil.
re-read what i asked.
aslo that verse said god's anger?
so god gets angry?
I laugh at the notion of god being angry also, thats why its a joke that they have it in the book and people actually believe such silliness....cause in stories you could make up any shit you want
god being angry
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