Avengers: Endgame (2019) Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)

Gemini

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White people will rage again lol



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darth frosty

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What part of the MCU (Marvel Cinematic Universe) annoys you the most?

In Infinity war, Dr Strange and Tony Stark most of their screen time together.

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They didn’t get along for much of it and were trying to constantly one up each other. They were both quipping, rich, egocentric douchebags with goatees for God’s sake.

So why didn’t one of them every say “No shit, Sherlock” to the other. Both of the actors have played the character

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And both of the characters like a good quip. Why wasn’t this done? Come on writers, this was an open goal for you to score in. Now, everytime I watch Infinity war, I always think of what could’ve been. Now one’s dead.

And that’s the thing in the MCU that annoys me the most.

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darth frosty

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What have you noticed in Marvel movies that most people have not?



In the comics, Tony knows he is about to die, and so uploads a copy of his consciousness onto his AI.

They later use this to upload him back into a clone body, but not right away.

An interesting fact?

He pretends to be just a software program for a while, until someone realizes that it’s actually him.



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So why does this matter to the films?

During the funeral scene, they playback a pre-recorded video of Tony before they start the time heist, where he talks about his fears that he might not come back.

If he can figure out time travel, then he would probably back up his consciousness, or at least attempt to mitigate any losses.

He’s always thinking ahead (and supposedly he’s booked in for more films also)

So here’s the main thing.

During this ‘pre-recording’, as he goes to switch off the camera, he faces his daughter sat on the sofa and makes eye contact with her.

How?

Why would his pre-recording suddenly turn and face someone that he has no idea where they are, and make eye contact to empathize a point?…





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Sure he could guess her height when he recorded it, but he has no idea where she is in the room.

During most of the recording he’s facing in different directions, not really making too much eye contact.

It seems like he’s just musing to himself on his own, and I’m guessing its to cover the fact that he’s actually ‘real’ for now.

But that final scene?

He steps up, makes eye contact with his daughter (having no idea where she would be), smiles at her, repeats the line “I love you 3000′ from earlier in the film, and then turns off the recording…

AI tony confirmed :D
 

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“It really bothered me that I’ve done seven Marvel movies now [where] every producer, every director, every stunt person, every costume designer, every PA, every single person has been white,” said Mackie, who stars in the upcoming Marvel series “The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.” “We’ve had one Black producer; his name was Nate Moore. He produced Black Panther. But then when you do Black Panther, you have a Black director, Black producer, you have a Black costume designer, you have a Black stunt choreographer. And I’m like, that’s more racist than anything else. Because if you only can hire the Black people for the Black movie, are you saying they’re not good enough when you have a mostly white cast?”

 

playahaitian

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What have you noticed in Marvel movies that most people have not?



In the comics, Tony knows he is about to die, and so uploads a copy of his consciousness onto his AI.

They later use this to upload him back into a clone body, but not right away.

An interesting fact?

He pretends to be just a software program for a while, until someone realizes that it’s actually him.



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So why does this matter to the films?

During the funeral scene, they playback a pre-recorded video of Tony before they start the time heist, where he talks about his fears that he might not come back.

If he can figure out time travel, then he would probably back up his consciousness, or at least attempt to mitigate any losses.

He’s always thinking ahead (and supposedly he’s booked in for more films also)

So here’s the main thing.

During this ‘pre-recording’, as he goes to switch off the camera, he faces his daughter sat on the sofa and makes eye contact with her.

How?

Why would his pre-recording suddenly turn and face someone that he has no idea where they are, and make eye contact to empathize a point?…





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Sure he could guess her height when he recorded it, but he has no idea where she is in the room.

During most of the recording he’s facing in different directions, not really making too much eye contact.

It seems like he’s just musing to himself on his own, and I’m guessing its to cover the fact that he’s actually ‘real’ for now.

But that final scene?

He steps up, makes eye contact with his daughter (having no idea where she would be), smiles at her, repeats the line “I love you 3000′ from earlier in the film, and then turns off the recording…

AI tony confirmed :D

Well holy hell
 

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White people will rage again lol



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I heard they were going to to the amazing friends thing in spiderman 3. I think it should be ice man and the human torch like in the ultimate comics. Have firsstar join the ave gets like I. The 616 universe
 

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Super-Soldier forumla 1st. He was moving in that field like Cap. After Hulk fucked him up, he got pumped with some gamma stuff. Basically he was British special forces, Captain America and Hulk combined. Actually, when you consider Blonsky's training vs. a desk jockey scientist like Banner, Blonsky/Abomination should have fucked Hulk up just as bad as Thanos did.
The scientist that made him into the abomination is hulks arch enemy the leader.
 

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Very disappointed that Hulk didn't become super enraged and give Thanos a proper beat down. Not much of a factor at all.
Hulk couldnt even beat thanos In 5he infinity wars comics from back then but that was professor hulk that got slapped around
 

darth frosty

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What have you noticed in Marvel movies that most people have not?


In the scene in which the Avengers discuss Natasha’s death, each of them represents the five stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.

When Thor says, “Why are we acting like she’s dead? We have the stones right? As long as we have the stones we can bring her back, right? So stop this sh*t! We’re the Avengers; get it together!” represents denial, the first stage.

When Hulk flings a bench across the lake it represents anger.

When Steve Rogers promises that Natasha’s sacrifice will be worth it, it represents bargaining.

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Tony Stark, barely able to speak, containing his emotions represents depression, and Clint Barton, the one who saw her die, represent acceptance when he says: “We can’t get her back. It can’t be undone. It can’t.... Look, I know that I’m way outside my pay grade here. But she still isn’t here, is she? It can’t be undone. Or at least that’s what the red, floating guy had to say!”
 
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Carrie Coon was supposed to be in Avengers: Endgame despite her character's death in Infinity War

By Rachel Yang
August 09, 2020 at 11:00 AM EDT



Watch the full episode of Couch Surfing streaming now on PeopleTV.com, or download the PeopleTV app on your favorite device.
Although her character was killed off in Avengers: Infinity War, Carrie Coon says she was invited back by directors Anthony and Joe Russo to appear in the sequel, Endgame, because no one ever really dies in the Marvel universe.
In the 2018 blockbuster, Coon played the villainous Proxima Midnight, who aids Thanos (Josh Brolin) in finding the Infinity Stones before she's vanquished by Scarlet Witch (Elizabeth Olsen). On the latest episode of PeopleTV's Couch Surfing, Coon says the Russo brothers asked her back for the fourth Avengers movie but she turned it down due to a scheduling conflict.
Like many actors who've appeared in Marvel Studios projects, Coon says securing the job was a secretive process. Her role started as a mysterious voice-over gig, but the Russos — fans of Coon's work on HBO's The Leftovers and FX's Fargo — eventually asked her to do more.

"I got a voice-over audition; it was not specified what the project was. They were being very secretive about it, but I was given some of the lines that did end up being in the film," Coon tells host Lola Ogunnaike. "[The Russos] were excited about the possibility of me actually physicalizing the character as well, and they invited me to come down to Atlanta. I was pregnant and doing a play at the time, so I flew down and was on set with them for about 12 hours."
While Proxima Midnight didn't have any lines in Endgame, the character did appear on screen (thanks to a time-twisting plot), with Coon's stand-in from Infinity War, Monique Ganderton, filling in. Still, Coon says you can't count her out of future Marvel projects just yet.
"No one ever dies. It's very possible I could have my own Avengers movie next," the actress quips. "But I wouldn't hold your breath.
 

darth frosty

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What movie one-liner best summarises the entire movie?

I have the perfect quote.

“You cannot live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me.” Thanos, Avengers:Endgame.

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This summarises the entire movie perfectly. The Avengers couldn't live with losing to Thanos, a failure on all of their behalf.

Black Widow tried to find any way of reversing the snap with Cap.Marvel, War Machine, Okoye and the remnants of the Guardians.

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Hawkeye went on a killing spree to take out his anger towards Thanos.

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Captain America hosted meetings to help try and help people and himself get over it 5 years after the event.

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Even Iron Man, who had seemed to move on and have a family, didnt. When there was a possibility to reverse it, he leapt on that chance. Even Pepper revealed that he couldn't rest.

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They came back to try and reverse the effects and it led to Thanos and the final battle.

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Thanks for Reading;~)
 

darth frosty

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When Hawkeye wakes up in the water in Endgame on Volimer after Black Widow sacrifices herself, why is Hawkeye capable of holding the soul stone? He's just human?


I believe the reason lies in the sentience of the Stones. Each Stone is shown to have a degree of sentience in one form or the other and this can decide the fate of who wields it.


The Space Stone can be described as being temperamental and irritable, reacting easily and this has been referenced multiple times in the MCU.

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First is when Red Skull holds it and gets punished by being sent to Vormir to act as guardian to it's “brother”, the Soul Stone.

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Next is in Avengers when SHIELD has custody of it, it starts turning on by itself when Loki passes through. Erik Selvig (the doctor that had been working on it) describes as being alive.
(Dialogue between Fury and Selvig in Avengers)
Fury - Is there anything we know for certain?
Erik - The Tesseract is misbehaving.
Fury - Is that supposed to be funny?
Erik - No, it's not funny at all. The Tesseract is not only active, she's… misbehaving.
The Mind Stone is shown to corrupt and manipulate those around it. According to Marvel, the real reason Loki acted so much crazier than usual in Avengers was because he spent so much time around the Stone which made his obsession and jealousy with Thor grow to become much more worse.

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We see the Mind Stone's effect later in the film when it's with The Avengers and causes tension around them, leading to Bruce picking up absentmindedly. It was also a major reason as to why Bruce lost control and transformed to Hulk.

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The Mind Stone was also what corrupted Stark's and Bruce's program to create Ultron in Age of Ultron.

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With this, I see a similarity between the Mind Stone and the One Ring. Both corrupt, twist and manipulate those in their vicinity to protect themselves. Just felt pointing this out.

The Reality Stone in it's “raw” form acts like a parasitic organism that latches onto a lesser host and begins feeding off it's life force till it dies. A more powerful host like Malekith can seemingly control and it ends up being more like a symbiotic relarionship. Although, it just may be that it still feeds off higher beings and it isn't as noticeable but since humans are fragile, they die faster.

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The Time Stone seems more docile and tame than it's siblings though that may just be because Strange is a worthy master. Here's a quote from Mordo
Temporal manipulations can create branches in time. Unstable dimensional openings. Spatial paradoxes, time loops! You want to get stuck reliving the same moment over, and over, forever, or not having existed at all?
This shows that in the hands of an unskilled person, the Time Stone could do more harm than good.

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The Power Stone is the one that is the least known overall as it spends most of it's time inside it's containment device, The Orb. Apart from the fact that it is known to have enough power to rip planets apart and touching it automatically kills/causes intense pain to the person. So there's not much to go here. We can assume it's not a “nice” stone since all it causes is mostly destruction and pain.

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And now for the Soul Stone.

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Often described as being the oldest, wisest and most dangerous stone. I believe Soul Stone makes up it's own rules as to who gets to receive it. It makes sense since Red Skull is just the Stonekeeper and there to act as a mouthpiece to whosoever wishes to collect it. The Stone is his “master” and he guards it.



Now, it makes sense that the Soul Stone, being a Stone that can dictate life and death, i.e. can bring back or kill any life in the universe, would want a life that can never be brought back no matter what and even more so that it's the life the user would want to bring back the most seeing as it's the person they love the most. This fits well with the idea that the Stone is the (like I said earlier) oldest, wisest and most dangerous.


I believe the Soul Stone gave itself to Hawkeye and Thanos willingly. A bargain is a bargain and a deal is a deal. The Stone understands and respects that. There's no need to kill it's owner when the deal had been upheld.

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Man I came in this bitch expecting something new and something to look forward to after the bad news of Chadwick...a fucking helmet. Damn you Gemini!!!

Just kidding fam. That bitch tight.
 
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