Are new CBA rules making teams more cautious?

[D-TOWN REP]

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mave.../are-new-cba-rules-making-teams-more-cautious

Are new CBA rules making teams more cautious?

Five days into free agency, as the Dallas Mavericks quietly scanned the proceedings after being turned down by Deron Williams, the player movement and big money that flowed around the league certainly didn't suggest that a new collective bargaining agreement was sinking its sharpened teeth into management.

The Brooklyn Nets overpaid Gerald Wallace, signing him for four years and $40 million. They then spit in the eye of the harsher luxury tax to come by acquiring Joe Johnson, still owed $89 million, to play with Williams, who signed a five-year, $98 million deal.

The Lakers completed a sign-and-trade for Steve Nash, handing the 38-year-old a three-year, $27-million deal. Prior to that, the Toronto Raptors offered the beloved Canadian point guard a reported three years and $36 million.

The Minnesota Timberwolves gave Brandon Roy, who had retired because of chronic knee issues, two years and $10.4 million and then signed Portland forward Nicolas Batum to a four-year, $45 million offer sheet. The Suns signed guard Goran Dragic, a player they once traded, to four years and $34 million and also inked troubled Minnesota forward Michael Beasley to three years and $18 million.

Portland signed emerging Indiana center Roy Hibbert to a $58 million offer sheet. The Rockets signed Bulls backup center Omer Asik to a three-year, $25.1 million offer sheet and did the same with New York Knicks point guard Jeremy Lin.

Does it mean the new CBA isn't working as planned? Mavs owner Mark Cuban hasn't been shy about expressing his displeasure with the final product, comparing the new CBA to the old one by saying owners are now drowning in 2 feet of water instead of 10. We know the rules have radically altered his philosophy for building his team.

Since the opening flurry of moves, some made by teams with cap space to fill, the majority of teams, Cuban points out, have acted responsibly in preparation for the stiffer tax that starts in the 2013-14 season.

"This offseason we saw maybe six teams try to win the summer and make a big splash," Cuban said. "The vast majority did little or nothing beyond keeping their own players."

In 2009-10, 11 of the 30 teams spent into the luxury tax. That number dropped to seven in 2010-11 and six last season. Five to seven teams are headed for the luxury tax this season, a number that does not include the Mavs for the first time in Cuban's ownership. In a year or two, only the Lakers, Knicks, Nets and Heat could be luxury tax violators.

Cuban has vowed that he will spend into the luxury tax again, when the time is right.

Cuban points out two examples of the new CBA in action.

"The best example of the new rules having an impact are the Knicks walking away from Jeremy Lin and the Bulls walking away from three of their rotation players," Cuban said.

The Knicks have supported the most bloated payroll in the league over the last decade. Yet, presented with the Lin offer sheet from the Rockets that included a "poison pill" third year that jacked Lin's salary from $5 million to $15 million, which has been estimated to swell to more than $40 million after tax penalties, it was too much for even the hand-over-fist, money-making Knicks.

The Bulls surrendered Asik because of a similar "poison pill" third year that would have killed their cap. Ronnie Brewer and Kyle Korver were also sacrificed -- and Chicago tried to trade Rip Hamilton -- all in the name of whittling down payroll.

 

[killa kadafi191]

Not my team's owner

Well he doesn't give a fuck

Nets have third highest payroll at $81.8M. Forbes Real Time Billionaire says he made $87.5M yesterday. It's a wash. http://t.co/2KFNm488

While some owners are scared shitless of the luxury tax

http://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/

As someone said he will likely buy joe johnson out if JJ starts to fall off.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

and u niggas still won't win 6 championships in 8 years

FOH

 

[doggish_098]

oh i thought this thread was going to be about nfl training camps...

 

[killa kadafi191]

and u niggas still won't win 6 championships in 8 years

FOH

Oh living in the past ass nigga. Last timme ur team done anythiing niggaz had VCRs , Bill Clinton was president and people still bought cds.

Wake me when the bulls do something now.

The only time u can smile while watching ur team is when the channel is on ESPN Classics.

Not my fault Rose is hurt and ur owner said fuck it next season.

 

[doggish_098]

and u niggas still won't win 6 championships in 8 years

FOH

like you old enough to remember the great bulls teams

 

[Damn Right]

yep. making teams a lot more cautious. i know the owner of the mavs was talking about how the rules are making him take a step back in how he makes moves to not only get players but keep 'um.

and if all the rules had applied a month or two earlier, the lakers couldn't have made the moves to get steve nash. imo, a few of those rules are just fuked up

i know other teams are complaining that they can't get any of the 'better' or more popular players, but that's on THEM. restricting the movements of a player or team cause YOU keep coming up short is just bullsheit

 

[killa kadafi191]

like you old enough to remember the great bulls teams

He don't remember them. Shaddy can only watch ESPN Classics. That the only time the Bulls ever do shit

as for the subject at hand.

D Town look at the Nets. The new CBA has teams scared but also planning ahead. The Nets broke a record with how much money they spent. They jump to the third highest payroll in the league with 81 million. Proky made 87 million yesterday.. IN ONE DAY.

He isn't worried. I was worried I will be honest because I thought man what happens if Marshon gets better than JJ faster than expected? Then what? I read Proky would buy JJ out with no problem.

Thing is the Nets planned for this. They could have spent this money when the lockout was over but they tried to put their team in position to make a play for Dwight but who knew he would have opt in.

Still Proky won. He has Deron opening his new arena. I saw Forbes article. He has own the team in two years and with new tv deals and other ventures the nets actually turned a profit this season

Problem with the new CBA is this it will only get worst. Remember small market teams out number big market teams. Problem is this for Mark Cuban. His plan only works if he lands a star. If not the gamble doesn't pay off

 

[D-TOWN REP]

Killa this article was written for everyone but the Nets

No other owner is willing to spend like that nor do they have that kind of outside cash flow

Problem is this for Mark Cuban. His plan only works if he lands a star. If not the gamble doesn't pay off

yep

and I just wonder how many seasons we will sacrifice in the process

 

[The Pope]

Killa this article was written for everyone but the Nets

No other owner is willing to spend like that nor do they have that kind of outside cash flow



yep

and I just wonder how many seasons we will sacrifice in the process

lord knows Tom Benson won't be going over the luxury tax..

 

[Chitownheadbusa]

Not my team's owner

Well he doesn't give a fuck






While some owners are scared shitless of the luxury tax

http://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/

As someone said he will likely buy joe johnson out if JJ starts to fall off.

i hope you were being sarcastic with this post. Cause bragging about a owner spending too much money on players that really arent worth their contracts doesnt mean shit if those players dont produce any titles or revenue.

Theres a buzz about the Nets right now because of the new location, new stadium, and Jay Z owning .5 percent. But when its all said and done they wil have to produce something to stay relevant. Mainly because NY's basketball team of choice is and will continue to be the Knicks; until some other NY team dethrones them via outshining their mediocre legacy. Would you agree?

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Oh living in the past ass nigga. Last timme ur team done anythiing niggaz had VCRs , Bill Clinton was president and people still bought cds.

Wake me when the bulls do something now.

The only time u can smile while watching ur team is when the channel is on ESPN Classics.

Not my fault Rose is hurt and ur owner said fuck it next season.

see i CAN do that.

u can't.

yall can spend a whole billion on this whole BK transition and not win shit.

if yall don't win a championship right now, its a failure.

nobody is doing 6 in 8 for or 3 in a row for that matter.

like mike said, YALL LEARNED FROM US.

like you old enough to remember the great bulls teams

please, i was def in the crowd when we shitted on ya idol barkley

 

[killa kadafi191]

see i CAN do that.

u can't.

yall can spend a whole billion on this whole BK transition and not win shit.

if yall don't win a championship right now, its a failure.

nobody is doing 6 in 8 for or 3 in a row for that matter.

like mike said, YALL LEARNED FROM US.





please, i was def in the crowd when we shitted on ya idol barkley

If we don't win one championship it's a failure????

Mikhail already won. Do I need to post how much money he stands to make off the Nets.

We talking about championships. Lets talk about now. Your team hasn't done much. Eastern Conference Finals? You want a parade??

Shady take a year off from watching basketball homie. Just watch ESPN Classic and remember the good ol days

 

[killa kadafi191]

i hope you were being sarcastic with this post. Cause bragging about a owner spending too much money on players that really arent worth their contracts doesnt mean shit if those players dont produce any titles or revenue.

Theres a buzz about the Nets right now because of the new location, new stadium, and Jay Z owning .5 percent. But when its all said and done they wil have to produce something to stay relevant. Mainly because NY's basketball team of choice is and will continue to be the Knicks; until some other NY team dethrones them via outshining their mediocre legacy. Would you agree?

Let's keep it real this has nothing to do with Jay-Z. This has to do with this guy.

In two years he built up an arena that should of been done 6 years ago.

He has turned the nets into what they are right now.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

how bout this.

if yall don't atleast get the number 1 seed, its a failure.

 

[killa kadafi191]

how bout this.

if yall don't atleast get the number 1 seed, its a failure.

this coming from the nigga who team had the best record in the league two years in a row and failed to make it to the Finals??




As for the thread. D Town I see your point but lets look at it like this.

If owners like the Lakers Dallas and Knicks are watching what they do now with this new CBA what do you think will happen 4 years from now with it expires and a new lockout happens. Remember there is more small market teams than big market.

I brought up Mikhail because before the whole Jeremy Lin situation. Many people were laughing at this new CBA because of the way he was throwing around money.

Cuban is a smart man but the he is holding out hope for Dwight. If it works he is a genius. If not he fucked up.

Believe me I know about this. The Nets. Going back two years who would have believed Deron Williams would resign with the Nets?

You have to look at the CBA and make a plan. I see what Houston's plan is will it work?? Ask me in a year.

New Orleans however? My God those guys went to work this summer.

 

[dtownsfinest]

Killa, how did Cuban fuck up? He's not responsible for this fucked up CBA.

 

[killa kadafi191]

Killa, how did Cuban fuck up? He's not responsible for this fucked up CBA.

I'm going by the article. The article is saying Cuban is waiting to hit a superstar that hits free agency.

I already told you my stance on this. I feel the Mavericks should rebuild. Gather assets and find a home grown superstar in the draft.

I know there is nothing certain but I feel the Mavericks going this route will get back to glory faster.

The problem with this new CBA those waiting on superstars are fucked.

Lets be real if CP3 and Dwight were smart they would join up in Dallas with Dirk and the pieces Cuban assemble for cheap but look how the new CBA does.

A player leaving his team will lose up to 30 million.

I get it. The new CBA is not for now it's for when Anthony Davis second contract is up, when Derrick Rose is up for a new contract and so on.

The new CBA is meant for small market teams to keep their stars but their are holes.

Look at Dwight threaten houston and Orlando with "I will walk to Dallas." talk. Larry Coon said it best teams with cap space have turn to leverage for players to get what they want.

As Coon said those who are scared or cautious with the new CBA now do not want to see what is coming four years from now.

 

[dtownsfinest]

I'm going by the article. The article is saying Cuban is waiting to hit a superstar that hits free agency.

I already told you my stance on this. I feel the Mavericks should rebuild. Gather assets and find a home grown superstar in the draft.

I know there is nothing certain but I feel the Mavericks going this route will get back to glory faster.

The problem with this new CBA those waiting on superstars are fucked.

Lets be real if CP3 and Dwight were smart they would join up in Dallas with Dirk and the pieces Cuban assemble for cheap but look how the new CBA does.

A player leaving his team will lose up to 30 million.

I get it. The new CBA is not for now it's for when Anthony Davis second contract is up, when Derrick Rose is up for a new contract and so on.

The new CBA is meant for small market teams to keep their stars but their are holes.

Look at Dwight threaten houston and Orlando with "I will walk to Dallas." talk. Larry Coon said it best teams with cap space have turn to leverage for players to get what they want.

As Coon said those who are scared or cautious with the new CBA now do not want to see what is coming four years from now.

What alternative does Cuban have though? He has to keep a competitive team out there to make money. You cats keep talking about "rebuilding". How do you rebuild when you don't have draft picks and you don't have trade bait?

And why do you feel the Mavs should rebuild but the Nets shouldn't when the Mavs have a better team than the Nets but don't have nearly the salary cap hell you dudes do.

And this the thing about the new CBA. You can look at it as they are losing 30 million. And I agree with that. But I look at it you are ending a contract early while you are still in your prime. Deron is only going to be 31. And while 31 is only a year younger than 32 that is a whole year. 31 is still considered young and in his prime. But I agree. Cats won't leave 30 million out there. They could get hurt. They could fall off(T-Mac).

 

[killa kadafi191]

What alternative does Cuban have though? He has to keep a competitive team out there to make money. You cats keep talking about "rebuilding". How do you rebuild when you don't have draft picks and you don't have trade bait?

And why do you feel the Mavs should rebuild but the Nets shouldn't when the Mavs have a better team than the Nets but don't have nearly the salary cap hell you dudes do.

And this the thing about the new CBA. You can look at it as they are losing 30 million. And I agree with that. But I look at it you are ending a contract early while you are still in your prime. Deron is only going to be 31. And while 31 is only a year younger than 32 that is a whole year. 31 is still considered young and in his prime. But I agree. Cats won't leave 30 million out there. They could get hurt. They could fall off(T-Mac).

1. I doubt seriously the Mavs have a better team the Nets and when it's all said and done.

The Nets did try rebuilding. Remember what the Nets did they gather assets and traded for a disgruntle star. Deron Williams.

Which led to Dwight Howard demanding a trade to the Nets.

This is the big picture. Now if the Nets never landed Deron would Dwight be demanding a trade to the Nets.

My point is this rebuild. You will either land your superstar in the draft or get enough assets that will appeal to a team trying to flip their "pissed" off star.

Also true the Nets are over the cap but that didn't stop CJ Watson from turning down big money to sign with us for the veterans minimum.

Hell the Nets landed the Euro league leading scorer for 3.9 million when Golden State was offering him 12 million a year.

Salary cap hell as it was revealed if Joe Johnson lets just say he doesn't work out. You don't think Mikhail will have no problem buying him out of his contract. As Coon said Proky earned 87 million dollars in one day this week.

Let me say this again 87 million dollars in one fucking day

His team yearly salary combine right now is 81 million.

In the words of Larry Coon

Nets have third highest payroll at $81.8M. Forbes Real Time Billionaire says he made $87.5M yesterday. It's a wash. http://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/ …

My point is this. Rebuild and either get your star or load up on assets

 

[dtownsfinest]

1. I doubt seriously the Mavs have a better team the Nets and when it's all said and done.

The Nets did try rebuilding. Remember what the Nets did they gather assets and traded for a disgruntle star. Deron Williams.

Which led to Dwight Howard demanding a trade to the Nets.

This is the big picture. Now if the Nets never landed Deron would Dwight be demanding a trade to the Nets.

My point is this rebuild. You will either land your superstar in the draft or get enough assets that will appeal to a team trying to flip their "pissed" off star.

Also true the Nets are over the cap but that didn't stop CJ Watson from turning down big money to sign with us for the veterans minimum.

Hell the Nets landed the Euro league leading scorer for 3.9 million when Golden State was offering him 12 million a year.

Salary cap hell as it was revealed if Joe Johnson lets just say he doesn't work out. You don't think Mikhail will have no problem buying him out of his contract. As Coon said Proky earned 87 million dollars in one day this week.

Let me say this again 87 million dollars in one fucking day

His team yearly salary combine right now is 81 million.

In the words of Larry Coon



My point is this. Rebuild and either get your star or load up on assets

So you gonna draft for 20 years until you get a star You make ti sound so easy. Warriors draft early every year and never get a star. Just because you rebuild doesn't mean you are going to end up being the Thunder. Last I checked there is only one Thunder.


And I agree your owner can spend money. You keep stating then. I get it. He has unilimated funds. But you can't go over the salary cap. He can have a trillion dollars but there's still a salary cap.

And CJ Watson fam? CJ Watson? He didn't take no damn paycut. That nigga is a bench reserve player. He's not Dwight Howard. You think Howard gonna take the veteran minimum and play for ya'll?

In regards to buying out Joe Johnson shit it wouldn't shock me. But why wait? Why not just cut him now?

And btw, when Lebron was a free agent why didn't he sign with Brooklyn?

 

[killa kadafi191]

So you gonna draft for 20 years until you get a star You make ti sound so easy. Warriors draft early every year and never get a star. Just because you rebuild doesn't mean you are going to end up being the Thunder. Last I checked there is only one Thunder.


And I agree your owner can spend money. You keep stating then. I get it. He has unilimated funds. But you can't go over the salary cap. He can have a trillion dollars but there's still a salary cap.

And CJ Watson fam? CJ Watson? He didn't take no damn paycut. That nigga is a bench reserve player. He's not Dwight Howard. You think Howard gonna take the veteran minimum and play for ya'll?

In regards to buying out Joe Johnson shit it wouldn't shock me. But why wait? Why not just cut him now?

And btw, when Lebron was a free agent why didn't he sign with Brooklyn?

Draft for 20 years??? Didn't say that. I said draft until you find your star or get enough assets and make a move.

Look what the Nets did with Deron Williams. Why can't Dallas do that??

You cut JJ he is still on your cap. You buy him out he is off it. CJ Watson is a good back up. Especially showing what he could do in Chi town. I love that move.

the Nets getting Mirza was big. Everyone agrees with that. Euro league leading scorer turns down 12 million a year to sign with the Nets for 3.9? That is huge. Reason it shocked the NBA when it was announced. Unless you believe the same thing as Agent Creed that Mikhail is paying dude under the table.


The Nets weren't in BK. Even so the Nets had nothing to offer the MVP. Come to the Nets and play with Devin Harris. When we land Deron we have players demanding trades to the Nets.

Thing is this if the Mavs don't rebuild what is your plan after Dirk retires. He told Deron himself he has two years left. What do you do after that?

 

[dtownsfinest]

Draft for 20 years??? Didn't say that. I said draft until you find your star or get enough assets and make a move.

Look what the Nets did with Deron Williams. Why can't Dallas do that??

You cut JJ he is still on your cap. You buy him out he is off it. CJ Watson is a good back up. Especially showing what he could do in Chi town. I love that move.

the Nets getting Mirza was big. Everyone agrees with that. Euro league leading scorer turns down 12 million a year to sign with the Nets for 3.9? That is huge. Reason it shocked the NBA when it was announced. Unless you believe the same thing as Agent Creed that Mikhail is paying dude under the table.


The Nets weren't in BK. Even so the Nets had nothing to offer the MVP. Come to the Nets and play with Devin Harris. When we land Deron we have players demanding trades to the Nets.

Thing is this if the Mavs don't rebuild what is your plan after Dirk retires. He told Deron himself he has two years left. What do you do after that?

You so hard to talk to about them Nets boy. Signing Mirza was big? Big for signing future european talent? And I don't need the Mavs to trade young pieces for Deron. If i'm going to rebuild its going to be like the Thunder did. Trading for Deron has done nothing for the Nets as of right now.

 

[killa kadafi191]

You so hard to talk to about them Nets boy. Signing Mirza was big? Big for signing future european talent? And I don't need the Mavs to trade young pieces for Deron. If i'm going to rebuild its going to be like the Thunder did. Trading for Deron has done nothing for the Nets as of right now.

Trading for Deron has done nothing for the Nets come on now lets be honest.

Seriously though I think your opinion on Deron changed once he spurned the Mavericks.

Let see what others think about the Nets move this off season

We are, of course, still not settled. There are plenty of NBA free agents to be signed, and slivers of cap space and exceptions that can be doled out to make that happen. But as of now, most of the dust of free agency has settled. While there were not too many radical changes around the league, there were, no doubt, winners and losers:
WINNERS
Brooklyn Nets. They didn’t get Dwight Howard, and they committed oodles of money to players other teams might not have touched, but considering this franchise entered the offseason without a firm commitment from free-agent point guard Deron Williams, the fact that Williams is still on board counts as a huge win for the franchise as it moves into its new arena in Brooklyn. The whole thing could have gone very wrong had Williams decided to go to Dallas, which he admitted he was close to doing. With free-agents Williams, Gerald Wallace, Kris Humphries and Brook Lopez re-signing, and with the trade for Joe Johnson, the Nets will finally go into a season with a legitimate shot at a high postseason seed.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/sto...tract-jason-kidd-arrested-lakers-knicks-bulls

Winner: Brooklyn Nets. As wild and insane as their spending and financial decisions have been, there's a decent chance no team improves by as many wins as Brooklyn from 2011-12 to 2012-13. No longer is this group just Deron Williams plus a scrap heap. Not only did Brooklyn re-sign Williams, they added an All-Star running mate for him in Joe Johnson, re-signed forwards Gerald Wallace and Kris Humphries and kept center Brook Lopez, who could have value as a player or a trade asset down the road. The role player additions -- C.J. Watson, Reggie Evans, etc. -- all seemed logical and came at the right price.

On paper, Miami is so far ahead of the rest of the Eastern Conference that it's unfair to write off Brooklyn's spending spree as a series of poor decisions because they still can't compete with the Heat. This is a group that hasn't made the playoffs since 2006-2007 and was on the precipice of total disaster if Williams had opted to sign with the Dallas Mavericks. This is a top-4 team in the East and one that established some buzz for its move to Brooklyn to boot

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19623990/2012-nba-free-agency-winners-and-losers

Winners:

Los Angeles Lakers: Any time you can pick up an All-Star point guard without giving up much of anything counts as a win in my book. Steve Nash is going to help the Lakers a lot, as long as he can adjust to a slower pace. The Dwight Howard rumors might have a negative effect on Andrew Bynum, but right now things look rosy.

Brooklyn Nets: The Nets have certainly made one of the biggest splashes this offseason. They have doled a lot of money in contracts and have been aggressively pursuing Howard. Adding Joe Johnson to the team, plus keeping the majority of their free agents will make this team a top four seed in the Eastern Conference.

http://www.rantsports.com/courtcrus...winners-and-losers-of-the-2012-nba-offseason/

I understand you may not like the moves but that would put you in the minority. Right now the moves the Nets made have put them at a top 4 team in the East. (Without any major injuries happening)

You still didn't answer my question what do you do when Dirk retires. He told Deron he had two years left. What do you do??

You going to build around OJ Mayo? DC?

Remember the free agents Dallas signed was the ones many didn't want. I'm not saying it wasn't good. The moves are great if you land a star but by next summer if no star come to dallas and all you have to show is OJ Mayo and DC .

I would rather my team rebuild now because if Cuban is bitching about this CBA wait till the one 4 years down the road come in.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

if yall nigaz dont win 3 championships in a row, you can't say shit to me bro

niggas bout to be the knicks without the K.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

no its not

most are still overpaid

lin
asik
hibbert

all it did was make the stupid gm's look even more stupid cause it hurts more

 

[killa kadafi191]

if yall nigaz dont win 3 championships in a row, you can't say shit to me bro

niggas bout to be the knicks without the K.

If your team has the best record in the league two years in a row and can't even get the Finals you can't say shit

 

[shaddyvillethug]

If your team has the best record in the league two years in a row and can't even get the Finals you can't say shit

i never seen my team lose in the finals 2 TIMES IN A ROW.

 

[killa kadafi191]

i never seen my team lose in the finals 2 TIMES IN A ROW.

you weren't even old enough to watch them win the six titles you brag about all the time.

Wake me when your team actually do something and I don't have to turn to ESPN Classic or NBA Hardwood Classic to see it

 

[dtownsfinest]

Trading for Deron has done nothing for the Nets come on now lets be honest.

Seriously though I think your opinion on Deron changed once he spurned the Mavericks.

Let see what others think about the Nets move this off season



http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/sto...tract-jason-kidd-arrested-lakers-knicks-bulls



http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19623990/2012-nba-free-agency-winners-and-losers




http://www.rantsports.com/courtcrus...winners-and-losers-of-the-2012-nba-offseason/

I understand you may not like the moves but that would put you in the minority. Right now the moves the Nets made have put them at a top 4 team in the East. (Without any major injuries happening)

You still didn't answer my question what do you do when Dirk retires. He told Deron he had two years left. What do you do??

You going to build around OJ Mayo? DC?

Remember the free agents Dallas signed was the ones many didn't want. I'm not saying it wasn't good. The moves are great if you land a star but by next summer if no star come to dallas and all you have to show is OJ Mayo and DC .

I would rather my team rebuild now because if Cuban is bitching about this CBA wait till the one 4 years down the road come in.

I can take that i'm in the minority on the Nets. I read those comments and their reasoning and they seem to acknowledge they can't compete with the Heat and the only reason they bring up the Nets are "winners" are because of Joe Johnson? I just don't get it.

And you keep bringing up the Mavs. I'm not saying we are the Western Conference champs. I don't know if we will even make the post season. But what the Mavs have done is set themselves up to sign talent by signing these guys to one or 2 year deals. We have no long term contracts. We're in a perfect position to sign talent. Stars? Shit I don't know but we've won a championship with just one star in Dirk and I believe he has a better supporting cast this time around if guys play to their capablities.

I'm excited about Mayo and Collinson because I feel they are better than their stats show. I feel they have yet to hit their prime and i'm excited to see them get to do that chance in Dallas.

 

[c_commander]

no its not

most are still overpaid

lin
asik
hibbert

all it did was make the stupid gm's look even more stupid cause it hurts more

The owners are the ones who really look stupid because they're the ones who were claiming poverty yet signed off on Asik making 24 mil or Kwame Brown getting a 1 year deal for 7. Don't tell people you're broke when you're willing to pay a guy more in millions than they average in points(Asik 5million this year, averages 3 points and 5 boards).

 

[killa kadafi191]

I can take that i'm in the minority on the Nets. I read those comments and their reasoning and they seem to acknowledge they can't compete with the Heat and the only reason they bring up the Nets are "winners" are because of Joe Johnson? I just don't get it.

And you keep bringing up the Mavs. I'm not saying we are the Western Conference champs. I don't know if we will even make the post season. But what the Mavs have done is set themselves up to sign talent by signing these guys to one or 2 year deals. We have no long term contracts. We're in a perfect position to sign talent. Stars? Shit I don't know but we've won a championship with just one star in Dirk and I believe he has a better supporting cast this time around if guys play to their capablities.

I'm excited about Mayo and Collinson because I feel they are better than their stats show. I feel they have yet to hit their prime and i'm excited to see them get to do that chance in Dallas.

I understand your excitement. I was the same way when the Nets got Devin Harris.

I like DC but his attitude changed when Vogel benched him for the remainder of the season and went with Hill. He became expendable but this was expected.

The Pacers when they traded for DC thought they were getting the player who averaged 18 pts and 9.1 assists when he started and finished fourth in the rookie of the year votes.

Problem was from what I read is the Pacers accepted that DC is just a back up PG in this league. Which is what Dallas has noticed too. They didn't commit to him long term.

I see Dallas plan they can be major players this summer. Especially if Dwight makes it to free agency or CP3 decided to leave LA.

Those moves are unlikely but not impossible.

I bring up Dallas because Cuban is someone who doesn't like the new CBA and I'm looking at how he is approaching it. I see his plan but I don't think it will work,

Then again people didn't think the Nets plan with Deron would work.

I just personally feel the Mavs should rebuild. Just considering Dirk age. I use to tell large and dtown the same thing. If the Nets would have lost Deron we should rebuild.

even though I know the Nets would have spent crazy cash to become the most expensive 8 seed team had deron left

The owners are the ones who really look stupid because they're the ones who were claiming poverty yet signed off on Asik making 24 mil or Kwame Brown getting a 1 year deal for 7. Don't tell people you're broke when you're willing to pay a guy more in millions than they average in points(Asik 5million this year, averages 3 points and 5 boards).

great point.

I'm looking at the Bulls though. CBA expert Larry Coon gave us an insight into the Bulls

Jay

What will chicago cap space look like at the end of the 2013/14 season

Larry Coon

As of this moment they’re committed to about $68.5 million, including their team option on Jimmy Butler. This will likely be over the cap but under the luxury tax.

I read some stuff today talking about the Bulls. I was just googling stuff to come at shady with but found some stuff that may not be good for Bulls fans

 

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I'm looking at the Bulls though. CBA expert Larry Coon gave us an insight into the Bulls



I read some stuff today talking about the Bulls. I was just googling stuff to come at shady with but found some stuff that may not be good for Bulls fans

The Bulls definitely have some things to worry about. Right now is what level Derrick Rose gets to once he recovers. Not where he is when he first gets back but where he is a year after he gets back.

As for the cap I expect them to amnesty Boozer after this season so that number should be lower and they need to resign Taj Gibson which they'd probably be better off doing sooner rather than letting him hit the market.

Also they easiest way to keep costs down is by having players on their rookie contracts which is why I still don't understand why they didn't acquire a 2nd pick this year to get a Quincy Miller, Will Barton or Doron Lamb. A guy with talent who could potentially contribute, maybe even do more and do it at a low cost. But why trade for a pick to get Quincy Miller, a 19 year old talented hometown kid who is being devalued for bad reasons when you can have Vladimir Radmonovich?

 

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no its not

most are still overpaid

lin
asik
hibbert

all it did was make the stupid gm's look even more stupid cause it hurts more

Tell me about it. Big Hibb is a necessity but also can be a liability. Max dollars but only plays 30 minutes a game. Portland threw some serious salt in the Pacers negotiations. Hopefully, he elevates his game a bit and legitimizes his "all star" status.

 

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The Bulls definitely have some things to worry about. Right now is what level Derrick Rose gets to once he recovers. Not where he is when he first gets back but where he is a year after he gets back.

As for the cap I expect them to amnesty Boozer after this season so that number should be lower and they need to resign Taj Gibson which they'd probably be better off doing sooner rather than letting him hit the market.

Also they easiest way to keep costs down is by having players on their rookie contracts which is why I still don't understand why they didn't acquire a 2nd pick this year to get a Quincy Miller, Will Barton or Doron Lamb. A guy with talent who could potentially contribute, maybe even do more and do it at a low cost. But why trade for a pick to get Quincy Miller, a 19 year old talented hometown kid who is being devalued for bad reasons when you can have Vladimir Radmonovich?

Here is the problem.

The Owner has NEVER EVER EVER paid the Luxury Tax. He doesn't see the point in using the amnesty for Boozer but still having to pay him. As for Taj you are right about that