Anyone Still Think Kobe Is Better Than Lebron?

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Because now I just don't see it.

IMO, I don't see Lebron losing to the Celtics in 6 last years finals if he was playing on the Lakers. I just don't see it happening. The Cavs took the Celtics to 7 games in 7 tough games. The Lakers lost in 6, getting blown out once and blowing a 23 point lead to lose a game as well.

And then now, the Lakers struggling with the Rockets. The Rockets aint no slouch but there also not playing with their 2 best players and the Lakers are REALLY struggling against them. The Lakers are pretty much played at full strength , except with Bynum being a little banged up. Theres no reason they should be losing like this.

You put Lebron on the Lakers and I just don't see them in any of the tough positions they've been in with Kobe. I just don't see how anyone could say Kobe is better than Lebron at this point.
Kobe's Stans aint hearing that, their common sense and logic have left their head becuz of their man-crush.
 
A lot of young cats and fake fan overglamorize Jordan and his dominant career.

Jordan didn't have a fade away jumper until he came back and his knees were too old to jump over everyone. And he never had a outside 3pt shot - ever. Jordan never made anyone else great that's a myth - ask the Wizards and Bobcats



after one year? Wow.

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after one year? Wow.
LeBron was doing it as soon as he got on the Cavs and transforming a bottom lottery pick team to a team with a decant record, and improving every year since.
Last year LeBron scored more point, had more rebounds, more assists, more blocks won both head to head match up against Kobe, played the Celtics better that the Lakers (actually took them to game 7 and lost a close game! While the Lakers lost to the same Celtics, with out putting up half the fight!
 
A lot of young cats and fake fan overglamorize Jordan and his dominant career.

Jordan didn't have a fade away jumper until he came back and his knees were too old to jump over everyone. And he never had a outside 3pt shot - ever. Jordan never made anyone else great that's a myth - ask the Wizards and Bobcats



after one year? Wow.

:hmm: When tha fuck did you start watching MJ, 99?
 
I'M STILL TRYIN TO GET OVER THE CHAUNCY BILLUPS/IVERSON TRADE.
NUGGETS :lol:
PISTONS :(
AND TO THINK EVERYONE IS THINKING THE KNICKS IS GONNA GET LEBRON :lol:. THE CAVS ARE GONNA DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO KEEP THAT DUDE. CHACHINGG FOR LEBRON :yes::dance:
 
Kobe is the best player in the league....peroid. Labron is good after he takes flight. Surround him, keep him grounded and he wins nothing. Kobe is a guard,he has to cover the backcourt thus no rebounds. Labron is a forward , under the basket on a team with no other rebounder, he has to rebound.Kobe can make a shot , twisting , , fading away, without ever seeing the basket.Labron has to get a step on his man and take flight.Kobe would make Labron look "human".Labron lead his "team" in everything.His team mates are just collecting a check.
 
Lebron is a beast but he got a better all around team.
Ummm no. Not even close. Kobe's supporting cast trumps Lebrons by far. Kobe plays with a 20 and 10 big man, a potential 20 and 10 big man (that everyone was hyping as the next all-star center), and an all around poor mans scottie pippen in Lamar Odom who comes off the bench. He has a defensive specialist in Ariza and quality role players like Walton, Fisher/Farmar, and Veuijic(sp?). LA has the better team and it aint even close. Lebron has a few undersized combo guards and a bunch of spare parts.
 
Better scorer: Kobe
Better Defender (one on one & double teaming): Kobe
Better 3 point shot: Kobe
Better at creating their own shot: Kobe
Better at tucking the ball like it's 4 and goal and taking everybody to the rim when he's dunking: Lebron James
Better passer: James
Better Rebounder: James
Better shot blocker: James
Better steals per game: James
Better at getting to the line: James
Better at getting teammates involved: James
Better scorer: James
Better efficiency rating: James
Better team defender: James
 
Ummm no. Not even close. Kobe's supporting cast trumps Lebrons by far. Kobe plays with a 20 and 10 big man, a potential 20 and 10 big man (that everyone was hyping as the next all-star center), and an all around poor mans scottie pippen in Lamar Odom who comes off the bench. He has a defensive specialist in Ariza and quality role players like Walton, Fisher/Farmar, and Veuijic(sp?). LA has the better team and it aint even close. Lebron has a few undersized combo guards and a bunch of spare parts.
Exactly :yes:
 
Ask all the living MVP winners who is the best player in the game today and all you hearing is Kobe.
Charles Barkley says Lebron is the best. You fail.
A lot of young cats and fake fan overglamorize Jordan and his dominant career.

Jordan didn't have a fade away jumper until he came back and his knees were too old to jump over everyone. And he never had a outside 3pt shot - ever. Jordan never made anyone else great that's a myth - ask the Wizards and Bobcats
How old are you? 15? Seriously.
 
In the past I thought that Kobe was more spectacular and more of an offensive threat, but I always liked LeBron's overall game, especially his head. But now, its not even close, LeBron has the offensive aggressiveness that he was lacking in the past, his outside J may not be on Kobe's level yet, but knowing when to take the shot, makes it just as effective. LeBron dominate every in the paint, 'there are times I can swear, he is able to dunk at will', while Kobe has definitely lost a step. The D, rebounds, and assist are areas where LeBron definitely dominates Kobe, but there are 2 areas where LeBron game is much better than Kobe and yet these two areas don't even have a stat to measure them. These two areas ares heart and ability to make his teammates better, two areas where LeBron's game has grown the most, since last year.
The only area I give Kobe a real edge over James is free throw. and even this area is closer than it should be because LeBron makes up for his lack of accuracy, by getting on the line more.

I have to agree after watching him dismantle the Hawks. The Cavs did it with ease and Lebron and kept the rest of the team involved. That's a team player.

For his age Lebron is without a doubt the most complete player I've seen and that includes Jordan. Barring injury it will be interesting to see Lebron's stats at the end of his career and to compare the two together.

BTW Knick fans forget about it. Let Lebron get that ring and he will never suit up for the Knicks. Cleveland will give him the checkbook to keep him in uniform. Him wearing that ring looks more like a reality every game.
 
Until Labron Gets Some Rings It's Insignificant.
The discussion isnt about rings. Its about who is the better player. Any talented all-star guard could have gotten rings playing with Shaq in his prime. Hell, D.Wade got one playing with a broke down Shaq.
 
not true my brotha, Indiana made a 7th game 97-98 with Indiana losing of course. they were tired as shit that year MJ is the best to ever do it still... Kobe has no game of his own he's the greatest emulator though. Shit I'd have to give it to Lebron for just being original. he got his own shit ya dig!!! and to think all them jumpers Kobe shoot he have trouble with my hometown team, who always lets us down:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


This is a good ass EVALUATION.

Jordon is the greatest of All Time
Kobe is the greatest Emulator of the Greatest
Lebron is a great original
 
Better scorer: Kobe:smh:
Better Defender (one on one & double teaming): Kobe:smh:
Better 3 point shot: Kobe:confused: (Don't sleep LeBron came up with that!)
Better at creating their own shot: Kobe:smh:
Better at chucking the ball Kobe:yes:
Better at every other stat known to mankind LeBron :yes:
Better at fucking up a teammates mindset:Kobe
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The thing is Kobe never evolved his game. It's similar to the discussion of Allen Iverson not elevating his game as well and not being able to take it to the next level. I still think Jordan is the greastest basketball player I've ever seen.

Unlike Kobe and A.I. who mainly played to their strengths in natural talent and ability; Jordan evolved into an all around player-i.e. defensive player of the year, first-team all defense, scoring titles, MVP's, the list goes on... Additionally, Jordan is probably the greatest 2 guard to play in the triangle offense, because of his abitlity to develop a formidable post game. Whenever a game was tight Jordan was always able to post up and shoot his patented fadeaway jumper.

In tight situations Kobe doesn't compare to Jordan. Kobe still hasn't developed his game to a level where he can dominate the game while controling the tempo of the game. In tight situations Kobe 9 out 10 times is chucking the ball or making a erratic decision. Jordan on the other hand, dominated and controled the tempo of the game because of his fadeaway jumber, and because he played great defense in crunch time-i.e.Jordan stealing the ball from Malone in the 6th game of the finals in 1998.

LeBron is the most impressive ball player in the new millenium, and if he is able to win the championship this year, we will all be witnesses to the comming of the crowned King of Basketball. Unlike A.I. and Kobe, LeBron is able to leaverage his raw skill and ability with high basketball IQ. LeBron has what Jordan and all the greats in Basketbal have, and that is the abiltiy to both dominate the game with raw talent and ability and to have the experience and B-ball IQ to control the tempo of the game.

Very good post

To add to it, Kobe does not let other parts of the game make up for a bad shooting night.

Rebounding, steals, and assists are the "little" things that make a team win.

Kobe has his marketing strategy down. If they win, its because he is great. If they lose, his teammates suck.
 
Kobe chose the wrong sport, in my opinion.

To me, Kobe is like a man who loves variety, trying to be committed to one woman. It goes against his nature, and he can't do it efficiently, because ..... it's not in his nature.

Anyone whose really studied Kobe Bryant knows that, he's at his absolute best when he's extremely focused on scoring. When he can forget everyone around him, that dude has the capacity to make Wilt break a sweat in his grave, for fear of his scoring records being broken.

Unfortunately, that is not what the game is about, but it's CLEARLY what fascinated Kobe the most about the game. I think Kobe wants to win because it's necessary to get the credit he deserves. However, I truly believe that Kobe became obsessed with surpassing Michael Jordan, but underestimated how daunting a task that would actually be. He also looked more at Jordan the scorer, and not Jordan the all-around player. If there is one area where Kobe has damn near mimicked Jordan, it is in the area of scoring.

In my opinion, not even Michael Jordan can fill 'em up as rapidly as Kobe. Jordan was more of a consistent scorer that would give you big numbers by the end of the game. Kobe can literally destroy teams, single-handedly, with his scoring ability(e.g. In the 62 points in 33 minutes game, Dallas had 61 points to KOBE'S 62.) The unfortunate reality is, the team that is often destroyed by his shooting is the Lakers. I am a Kobe fan, but even I can see the deficiency in Kobe's game. Lebron is a natural leader, and simply more efficient.

Kobe's friends from Italy even stated that Kobe watched Michael Jordan's "Come Fly With Me" until the tape popped, and he had to be Jordan when they were on the court. Now he's being asked to be something else(A floor general), and he simply can't do that well enough to compare to the likes of a James, Magic, or Jordan.

Kobe Bryant will likely never shoot a high percentage, because he doesn't even make an attempt to shoot high percentage shots. He NEVER did. Granted, as a rookie and second year player, he took a lot of RIDICULOUS shots, but even at 30, it's as if he's still trying to wow HIMSELF with ridiculously tough fall-away jumpers that only go in consistently when he's flaming hot.

The reality is, Kobe knows that he won't be given the credit he deserves without winning championship rings, so he's trying his hardest to be the floor general that leads his teams to the promised land. It is not impossible for Kobe to win another ring, but even if he were to three-peat, you could never call Kobe a great team player. He's just not built that way.

Kobe is a great scorer, who has the ability to do the absurd when he's hot, but often does the grotesque when he's not.
 
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But seriously, Kobe would get his ass beat if he did that shit to me. Damn you soft Gasol!! Looking like an abused wife.
 
Very good post

To add to it, Kobe does not let other parts of the game make up for a bad shooting night.

Rebounding, steals, and assists are the "little" things that make a team win.

Kobe has his marketing strategy down. If they win, its because he is great. If they lose, his teammates suck.

c/s
 
The thing is Kobe never evolved his game. It's similar to the discussion of Allen Iverson not elevating his game as well and not being able to take it to the next level. I still think Jordan is the greastest basketball player I've ever seen.

Unlike Kobe and A.I. who mainly played to their strengths in natural talent and ability; Jordan evolved into an all around player-i.e. defensive player of the year, first-team all defense, scoring titles, MVP's, the list goes on... Additionally, Jordan is probably the greatest 2 guard to play in the triangle offense, because of his abitlity to develop a formidable post game. Whenever a game was tight Jordan was always able to post up and shoot his patented fadeaway jumper.

In tight situations Kobe doesn't compare to Jordan. Kobe still hasn't developed his game to a level where he can dominate the game while controling the tempo of the game. In tight situations Kobe 9 out 10 times is chucking the ball or making a erratic decision. Jordan on the other hand, dominated and controled the tempo of the game because of his fadeaway jumber, and because he played great defense in crunch time-i.e.Jordan stealing the ball from Malone in the 6th game of the finals in 1998.

LeBron is the most impressive ball player in the new millenium, and if he is able to win the championship this year, we will all be witnesses to the comming of the crowned King of Basketball. Unlike A.I. and Kobe, LeBron is able to leaverage his raw skill and ability with high basketball IQ. LeBron has what Jordan and all the greats in Basketbal have, and that is the abiltiy to both dominate the game with raw talent and ability and to have the experience and B-ball IQ to control the tempo of the game.

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Ummm no. Not even close. Kobe's supporting cast trumps Lebrons by far. Kobe plays with a 20 and 10 big man, a potential 20 and 10 big man (that everyone was hyping as the next all-star center), and an all around poor mans scottie pippen in Lamar Odom who comes off the bench. He has a defensive specialist in Ariza and quality role players like Walton, Fisher/Farmar, and Veuijic(sp?). LA has the better team and it aint even close. Lebron has a few undersized combo guards and a bunch of spare parts.
Quality role players? Man, walton and those other bums cant make a shot to save their life. Stop with the Kobe, Lebron comparisons, they for the most part play different positions and this year, Lebron's supporting cast is playing much better AND WITH HEART than Kobe's supporting cast.
 
The discussion isnt about rings. Its about who is the better player. Any talented all-star guard could have gotten rings playing with Shaq in his prime. Hell, D.Wade got one playing with a broke down Shaq.

AT EASE. I REPEAT, Until Labron Gets Some Rings It's Insignificant. DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE THINKS THE BEST.UNDERSTAND?
 
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