Never the artist fault
Any Screenwriters On The Board??
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not a reshoot but interesting window into process
Ray Winstone Says Marvel Reshoots ‘Can Be Soul-Destroying’ and He Nearly Quit ‘Black Widow’: ‘It’s Like Being Kicked in the Balls’
Ray Winstone says it was "soul-breaking" having to reshoot "Black Widow" and change his performance.variety.com
@raze @largebillsonlyplease
Cool
but we know for YEARS the reshooting process is long time standard Marvel operating procedure
With my novel Naughty Nurse Chronicles Volume I in the hands of the copy editor, I decided to work on volume II while I'm waiting on the results for changes and edits
I'm working this setup so beautifully. I had a full-on Weebay moment in the first chapter. I got to be at work at 8:00, and I didn't get in a bed until 5:00, and I'm laying here still psyched about what I just wrote.
You know that moment where someone thinks the conversation is going to go one way, and that assumption makes them react, but the conversation goes the other way and they are completely taken off guard. That shit is fucking beautiful
I think I'm going to like writing volume two more than I liked writing volume 1. Let me get a couple hours of sleep now
I have a silly question: How do I add gifs to the end of my post? I was trying to use the weebay oh shit gif, but didn't know how to do it
I'm working this setup so beautifully. I had a full-on Weebay moment in the first chapter. I got to be at work at 8:00, and I didn't get in a bed until 5:00, and I'm laying here still psyched about what I just wrote.
You know that moment where someone thinks the conversation is going to go one way, and that assumption makes them react, but the conversation goes the other way and they are completely taken off guard. That shit is fucking beautiful
I think I'm going to like writing volume two more than I liked writing volume 1. Let me get a couple hours of sleep now
I have a silly question: How do I add gifs to the end of my post? I was trying to use the weebay oh shit gif, but didn't know how to do it
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Amazon accused of using AI to 'replicate the voices' of actors in Road House remake
Amazon is being sued by the writer of the original 1989 Patrick Swayze version of the film Road House over alleged copyright infringement in the movie's remake.
www.engadget.com
Amazon accused of using AI to 'replicate the voices' of actors in Road House remake
It did so during the actor's strike to finish the project before its copyright expired, the lawsuit alleges.
Steve Dent
Reporter
Wed, Feb 28, 2024, 12:44 AM EST·2 min read
Amazon Studios
Amazon is being sued by the writer of the original 1989 Patrick Swayze version of the film Road House over alleged copyright infringement in the movie's remake, The Los Angeles Times has reported. Screenwriter R. Lance Hill accuses Amazon and MGM Studios of using AI to clone actors' voices in the new production in order to finish it before the copyright expired.
Hill said he filed a petition with the US Copyright Office in November 2021 to reclaim the rights to his original screenplay, which forms the basis of the new film. At that point, the rights were owned by Amazon Studios, as part of its acquisition of MGM, but were set to expire in November 2023. Hill alleges that once that happened, the rights would revert back to him.
According to the lawsuit, Amazon Studios rushed ahead with the project anyway in order to finish it before the copyright deadline. Since it was stymied by the actor's strike, Hill alleges Amazon used AI to “replicate the voices” of the actors who worked in the 2024 remake. Such use violated the terms of the deal struck between the union and major studios including Amazon.
The claim is complicated by the fact that Hill signed a "work-made-for-hire" deal with the original producer, United Artists. That effectively means that the studio hiring the writer would be both the owner and copyright holder of the work. Hill, however, dismissed that as "boilerplate" typically used in contracts.
The lawsuit seeks to block the release of the film, set to bow at SXSW on March 8th before (controversially) heading direct to streaming on Prime Video on March 21.
Amazon denies the claims, with a spokesperson telling The Verge that "the studio expressly instructed the filmmakers to NOT use AI in this movie." It added that if AI was utilized, it was only done in early versions of the films. Later on, filmmakers were told to remove any "AI or non-SAG AFTRA actors" for the final version. It added that other allegations are "categorically false" and that it believes its copyright on the original Road House has yet to expire.
Microsoft has filed a motion seeking to dismiss key parts of a lawsuit The New York Times filed against the company and Open AI, accusing them of copyright infringement. If you'll recall, The Timessued both companies for using its published articles to train their GPT large language models (LLMs) without permission and compensation. In its filing, the company has accusedThe Times of pushing "doomsday futurology" by claiming that AI technologies pose a threat to independent journalism. It follows OpenAI's court filing from late February that's also seeking to dismiss some important elements on the case.
Like OpenAI before it, Microsoft accused The Times of crafting "unrealistic prompts" in an effort to "coax the GPT-based tools" to spit out responses matching its content. It also compared the media organization's lawsuit to Hollywood studios' efforts to " stop a groundbreaking new technology:" The VCR. Instead of destroying Hollywood, Microsoft explained, the VCR helped the entertainment industry flourish by opening up revenue streams. LLMs are a breakthrough in artificial intelligence, it continued, and Microsoft collaborated with OpenAI to "help bring their extraordinary power to the public" because it "firmly believes in LLMs' capacity to improve the way people live and work."
The company is asking the court to dismiss three claims, including one saying it's liable for end-user copyright infringement through the use of GPT-based tools and another that says it violates the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Microsoft also wants the court to dismiss the element of the case wherein The Times accused it of misappropriating time-sensitive breaking news and consumer purchasing recommendations. As an example, The Times argued in its lawsuit that it will lose revenue if users ask ChatGPT to research articles on Wirecutter, which the news company owns, because potential buyers will no longer click on its referral links. But that's "mere speculation about what The Times apparently fears might happen," and it didn't give a single real-world example in its complaint, Microsoft said.
"Microsoft doesn't dispute that it worked with OpenAI to copy millions of The Times's works without its permission to build its tools," Ian Crosby, lead counsel for The Times, told the publication." Instead, it oddly compares L.L.M.s to the VCR even though VCR makers never argued that it was necessary to engage in massive copyright infringement to build their products."
OpenAI and Microsoft are facing more lawsuits related to the content used to train the former's LLMs other than this particular one. Nonfiction writers and fiction authors, including Michael Chabon, George R.R. Martin, John Grisham and Jodi Picoult, accused the companies of stealing their work for AI training. More recently, The Intercept, Raw Story and AlterNetfiled separate lawsuits against the company, because ChatGPT allegedly reproduces their content "verbatim or nearly verbatim" while removing proper attribution.
@raze @TheFuser
ew.com
'SEAL Team' writer sues CBS for allegedly discriminating against him as straight white man
'SEAL Team' script coordinator and freelance writer Brian Beneker is suing CBS and Paramount, alleging that they denied him a staff writing job because he's a straight white man.
Ex-Colleague Calls Out Writer Claiming Anti-White Male Bias
Script coordinator Brian Beneker is suing CBS for not giving him a staff writer job because he’s a “white male,” but a former colleague says Beneker’s work is just “not good."
www.thedailybeast.com
Maybe it's different from me as an untrained cinephile, but the dialogue is what I remember from a lot of movies.
A filmmaker who hates dialogue? Is this 1920?
Megatron must be stopped, no matter the cost
You get no zigzag, you get no Drig drag Punk
You live. You live to fight another day
Amazon accused of using AI to 'replicate the voices' of actors in Road House remake
Amazon is being sued by the writer of the original 1989 Patrick Swayze version of the film Road House over alleged copyright infringement in the movie's remake.
Amazon accused of using AI to 'replicate the voices' of actors in Road House remake
It did so during the actor's strike to finish the project before its copyright expired, the lawsuit alleges.
Steve Dent
Reporter
Wed, Feb 28, 2024, 12:44 AM EST·2 min read
Amazon Studios
Amazon is being sued by the writer of the original 1989 Patrick Swayze version of the film Road House over alleged copyright infringement in the movie's remake, The Los Angeles Times has reported. Screenwriter R. Lance Hill accuses Amazon and MGM Studios of using AI to clone actors' voices in the new production in order to finish it before the copyright expired.
Hill said he filed a petition with the US Copyright Office in November 2021 to reclaim the rights to his original screenplay, which forms the basis of the new film. At that point, the rights were owned by Amazon Studios, as part of its acquisition of MGM, but were set to expire in November 2023. Hill alleges that once that happened, the rights would revert back to him.
According to the lawsuit, Amazon Studios rushed ahead with the project anyway in order to finish it before the copyright deadline. Since it was stymied by the actor's strike, Hill alleges Amazon used AI to “replicate the voices” of the actors who worked in the 2024 remake. Such use violated the terms of the deal struck between the union and major studios including Amazon.
The claim is complicated by the fact that Hill signed a "work-made-for-hire" deal with the original producer, United Artists. That effectively means that the studio hiring the writer would be both the owner and copyright holder of the work. Hill, however, dismissed that as "boilerplate" typically used in contracts.
The lawsuit seeks to block the release of the film, set to bow at SXSW on March 8th before (controversially) heading direct to streaming on Prime Video on March 21.
Amazon denies the claims, with a spokesperson telling The Verge that "the studio expressly instructed the filmmakers to NOT use AI in this movie." It added that if AI was utilized, it was only done in early versions of the films. Later on, filmmakers were told to remove any "AI or non-SAG AFTRA actors" for the final version. It added that other allegations are "categorically false" and that it believes its copyright on the original Road House has yet to expire.
Microsoft has filed a motion seeking to dismiss key parts of a lawsuit The New York Times filed against the company and Open AI, accusing them of copyright infringement. If you'll recall, The Timessued both companies for using its published articles to train their GPT large language models (LLMs) without permission and compensation. In its filing, the company has accusedThe Times of pushing "doomsday futurology" by claiming that AI technologies pose a threat to independent journalism. It follows OpenAI's court filing from late February that's also seeking to dismiss some important elements on the case.
Like OpenAI before it, Microsoft accused The Times of crafting "unrealistic prompts" in an effort to "coax the GPT-based tools" to spit out responses matching its content. It also compared the media organization's lawsuit to Hollywood studios' efforts to " stop a groundbreaking new technology:" The VCR. Instead of destroying Hollywood, Microsoft explained, the VCR helped the entertainment industry flourish by opening up revenue streams. LLMs are a breakthrough in artificial intelligence, it continued, and Microsoft collaborated with OpenAI to "help bring their extraordinary power to the public" because it "firmly believes in LLMs' capacity to improve the way people live and work."
The company is asking the court to dismiss three claims, including one saying it's liable for end-user copyright infringement through the use of GPT-based tools and another that says it violates the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Microsoft also wants the court to dismiss the element of the case wherein The Times accused it of misappropriating time-sensitive breaking news and consumer purchasing recommendations. As an example, The Times argued in its lawsuit that it will lose revenue if users ask ChatGPT to research articles on Wirecutter, which the news company owns, because potential buyers will no longer click on its referral links. But that's "mere speculation about what The Times apparently fears might happen," and it didn't give a single real-world example in its complaint, Microsoft said.
"Microsoft doesn't dispute that it worked with OpenAI to copy millions of The Times's works without its permission to build its tools," Ian Crosby, lead counsel for The Times, told the publication." Instead, it oddly compares L.L.M.s to the VCR even though VCR makers never argued that it was necessary to engage in massive copyright infringement to build their products."
OpenAI and Microsoft are facing more lawsuits related to the content used to train the former's LLMs other than this particular one. Nonfiction writers and fiction authors, including Michael Chabon, George R.R. Martin, John Grisham and Jodi Picoult, accused the companies of stealing their work for AI training. More recently, The Intercept, Raw Story and AlterNetfiled separate lawsuits against the company, because ChatGPT allegedly reproduces their content "verbatim or nearly verbatim" while removing proper attribution.
I told you this shit was going to be bad, and this is just the start
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@raze @TheFuser
'SEAL Team' writer sues CBS for allegedly discriminating against him as straight white man
'SEAL Team' script coordinator and freelance writer Brian Beneker is suing CBS and Paramount, alleging that they denied him a staff writing job because he's a straight white man.Ex-Colleague Calls Out Writer Claiming Anti-White Male Bias
Script coordinator Brian Beneker is suing CBS for not giving him a staff writer job because he’s a “white male,” but a former colleague says Beneker’s work is just “not good."www.thedailybeast.com
Holy Sh*t...
And I kinda know a lot about that Luca writer career...
this might get very serious.
They'll probably settle. You can't copyright an idea.
The most eyebrow-raising part of the article is when he went to the WGA, and they were like:
‘The Holdovers’ Plagiarism Claim and How to Protect Your Script
Plus, Matt gives a prediction about the films that will premiere at South by Southwest
www.theringer.com
Niecy Nash-Betts Set to Host 2024 Writers Guild Awards
Niecy Nash-Betts will host the 2024 WGA Awards, set to take place on Saturday, April 14 at the Hollywood Palladium.
variety.com
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(Bloomberg) -- OpenAI wants to break into the movie business.
The artificial intelligence startup has scheduled meetings in Los Angeles next week with Hollywood studios, media executives and talent agencies to form partnerships in the entertainment industry and encourage filmmakers to integrate its new AI video generator into their work, according to people familiar with the matter.
The upcoming meetings are just the latest round of outreach from OpenAI in recent weeks, said the people, who asked not to be named as the information is private. In late February, OpenAI scheduled introductory conversations in Hollywood led by Chief Operating Officer Brad Lightcap. Along with a couple of his colleagues, Lightcap demonstrated the capabilities of Sora, an unreleased new service that can generate realistic-looking videos up to about a minute in length based on text prompts from users. Days later, OpenAI Chief Executive Officer Sam Altman attended parties in Los Angeles during the weekend of the Academy Awards.
The ChatGPT maker unveiled Sora in mid-February with a series of high-definition clips that instantly captured the attention of Hollywood and Silicon Valley. Sora isn’t available to the public yet, but OpenAI has already granted access to a few big-name actors and directors.
“OpenAI has a deliberate strategy of working in collaboration with industry through a process of iterative deployment – rolling out AI advances in phases – in order to ensure safe implementation and to give people an idea of what’s on the horizon,” a spokesperson for OpenAI said in a statement. “We look forward to an ongoing dialogue with artists and creatives.”
AI is a divisive subject in Hollywood. Many filmmakers and studios already rely on AI in pre-production and post-production, and recognize the promise of a new crop of artificial intelligence tools. But the rise of generative AI services — which can quickly spit out text, images, audio and, increasingly, short videos in response to queries from users — has also raised concerns about upending the livelihoods of everyone from illustrators to voice actors.
Screenwriters and actors went on strike last year in part to fight for protections with the use of the technology. Both unions later secured some safeguards for how AI is used in the entertainment industry. Media companies are also wary of allowing OpenAI to train its models on their work without compensating them. Outlets including CNN, Fox Corp. and Time Magazine have had discussions about licensing their work to OpenAI, Bloomberg has reported.
OpenAI is courting Hollywood as it tries to catch up with the competition. Technology giants Meta Platforms Inc. and Alphabet Inc.’s Google have previously unveiled text-to-video research projects. A growing number of well-funded AI startups, including Runway AI Inc., Pika and Stability AI, are working on this technology as well.
Runway, a leader in the market, previously told Bloomberg that its Gen-2 text-to-video service is already being used by millions of people, including professionals at production and animation studios who rely on it for previsualization and storyboarding. Film editors are also creating videos with Runway and combining them with other footage to make B-roll or visual effects, the company said.
OpenAI’s Sora is still in the research preview stage, the company said, and no pricing has been set.
MSN
www.msn.com
OpenAI Courts Hollywood in Meetings With Film Studios, Directors
(Bloomberg) -- OpenAI wants to break into the movie business.
The artificial intelligence startup has scheduled meetings in Los Angeles next week with Hollywood studios, media executives and talent agencies to form partnerships in the entertainment industry and encourage filmmakers to integrate its new AI video generator into their work, according to people familiar with the matter.
The upcoming meetings are just the latest round of outreach from OpenAI in recent weeks, said the people, who asked not to be named as the information is private. In late February, OpenAI scheduled introductory conversations in Hollywood led by Chief Operating Officer Brad Lightcap. Along with a couple of his colleagues, Lightcap demonstrated the capabilities of Sora, an unreleased new service that can generate realistic-looking videos up to about a minute in length based on text prompts from users. Days later, OpenAI Chief Executive Officer Sam Altman attended parties in Los Angeles during the weekend of the Academy Awards.
The ChatGPT maker unveiled Sora in mid-February with a series of high-definition clips that instantly captured the attention of Hollywood and Silicon Valley. Sora isn’t available to the public yet, but OpenAI has already granted access to a few big-name actors and directors.
“OpenAI has a deliberate strategy of working in collaboration with industry through a process of iterative deployment – rolling out AI advances in phases – in order to ensure safe implementation and to give people an idea of what’s on the horizon,” a spokesperson for OpenAI said in a statement. “We look forward to an ongoing dialogue with artists and creatives.”
AI is a divisive subject in Hollywood. Many filmmakers and studios already rely on AI in pre-production and post-production, and recognize the promise of a new crop of artificial intelligence tools. But the rise of generative AI services — which can quickly spit out text, images, audio and, increasingly, short videos in response to queries from users — has also raised concerns about upending the livelihoods of everyone from illustrators to voice actors.
Screenwriters and actors went on strike last year in part to fight for protections with the use of the technology. Both unions later secured some safeguards for how AI is used in the entertainment industry. Media companies are also wary of allowing OpenAI to train its models on their work without compensating them. Outlets including CNN, Fox Corp. and Time Magazine have had discussions about licensing their work to OpenAI, Bloomberg has reported.
OpenAI is courting Hollywood as it tries to catch up with the competition. Technology giants Meta Platforms Inc. and Alphabet Inc.’s Google have previously unveiled text-to-video research projects. A growing number of well-funded AI startups, including Runway AI Inc., Pika and Stability AI, are working on this technology as well.
Runway, a leader in the market, previously told Bloomberg that its Gen-2 text-to-video service is already being used by millions of people, including professionals at production and animation studios who rely on it for previsualization and storyboarding. Film editors are also creating videos with Runway and combining them with other footage to make B-roll or visual effects, the company said.
OpenAI’s Sora is still in the research preview stage, the company said, and no pricing has been set.
My current dilemma: too busy to continue to write my books. I have two fantasy novels (Shield of the Gods and The Bracelet of War) that I’d rather turn to a TV script and even that, I don’t have time for. I have complete outlines that writers could turn into TV shows. Problem is I don’t know if storylines and synopsis are good enough to generate interest from writers or TV companies . Anyone knows?
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Why am I JUST SEEING THIS!!??
The kid is white, Bruh.
It doesn't have to make any sense at all.
Why can't you copyright an idea? If I have an idea or a premise for a novel that is so good that it could and should be a movie, what am I supposed to do. Do I write a short story and copyright it so that the idea is encapsulated in a book form? If I do it like that then the novel when it comes out will be an extension of that.
However, will that protect me if someone were to take my idea and attempt to turn it into a TV show or movie? I could point to my copyrighted short story and say, hey, I've had this idea for years?
Good shit.
Thats how I write. I see it and have to write the actions taking place.
I might see it all at once and write out everything taking place but by the second third or fourth draft I put all the action together like a puzzle and add the dialogue to it after.
I just need to get it out of my head first.
What does copyright protect?
Copyright, a form of intellectual property law, protects original works of authorship including literary, dramatic, musical, and artistic works, such as poetry, novels, movies, songs, computer software, and architecture. Copyright does not protect facts, ideas, systems, or methods of operation, although it may protect the way these things are expressed. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section "What Works Are Protected."
How do I protect my idea?
Copyright does not protect ideas, concepts, systems, or methods of doing something. You may express your ideas in writing or drawings and claim copyright in your description, but be aware that copyright will not protect the idea itself as revealed in your written or artistic work.
Does my work have to be published to be protected?
Publication is not necessary for copyright protection.
What Does Copyright Protect? (FAQ) | U.S. Copyright Office
Answers to frequently asked questions about what is protected by copyright.
www.copyright.gov
So does that mean I'm fucked? Does that mean I just got to sit here and watch somebody try to turn my beautiful idea into a novel or a movie and I can't get shit?What does copyright protect?
Copyright, a form of intellectual property law, protects original works of authorship including literary, dramatic, musical, and artistic works, such as poetry, novels, movies, songs, computer software, and architecture. Copyright does not protect facts, ideas, systems, or methods of operation, although it may protect the way these things are expressed. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section "What Works Are Protected."
How do I protect my idea?
Copyright does not protect ideas, concepts, systems, or methods of doing something. You may express your ideas in writing or drawings and claim copyright in your description, but be aware that copyright will not protect the idea itself as revealed in your written or artistic work.
Does my work have to be published to be protected?
Publication is not necessary for copyright protection.
What Does Copyright Protect? (FAQ) | U.S. Copyright Office
Answers to frequently asked questions about what is protected by copyright.
Pretty much lol
If I like your ideas I can take them add them to my own ideas and if I have the platform to make them bigger and get richer from those ideas then I can.
Everybody is stealing from something else or inspired from something or someone else, now you can drape that stealing up into homage if you want to acknowledge it or not at all.
Now you might lose culturally if someone decides to point out the thievery but it may not even matter that much if you've already minted your money from it.
Katt Williams just showed us all this.
So far that's what all my people are saying.
I got all my intial irritation out.
Good for the kid
We all need to use this as yet MORE MOTIVATION to create our OWN tree