I met the owner's wife at a benefit dinner. The dinner was in a museum and there were pictures of her on the wall. Like she was an ancient goddess or something
FilthyI heard they owned a sport team.
The magic play in the "amway center"...no?
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The magic play in the "amway center"...no?
What do you mean by "good money"? Can they live on their own? Buy a car? Make mortgage payments?
I met the owner's wife at a benefit dinner. The dinner was in a museum and there were pictures of her on the wall. Like she was an ancient goddess or something
Filthy
Yeap, people at the top are making a killing!
You're completely ignoring a person who knows plenty of successful people and is successful to talk about shit u dont know about... so you're plenty stupid.
Amway isnt my cup of tea... but I'm not a faggot ass hater. The insinuation that you can grow a multibillion dollar marketing business without plenty of successful people is absurd.
Yes there are guys that I referred on BGOL last year, that make enough money to live on their own, buy cars and pay a mortgage, all without working a job. Yes.
This is meaningless statement, as anyone who makes money would automatically considered to be at the "top" regardless of their join date.
The "top" is related to skill set, not the date of entry. I know a guy who can join any program be one of the "top" people because he has marketing skills... not because he joins up first.
Who get's paid the most at a job? The owners? Then the execs, then upper management, then the supervisors, then the top workers and then the entry level workers. Yup, sounds like a pyramid scheme.
Be careful to who listen to. If you listen to people who are broke, you will end up just like them. So Amway is a Pyramid? There will always be fewer people who are the most successful are at the top. This is the case in all fields. There is only one CEO in a company. One president of a country. I was involved with them. That how I got free from my job and had the time to start another business that changed everthing. The educational tools and and being around other like minded people is the key. Once you decide to think differently, people will distance themselves from you. It happenned to me. I'm enjoying freedom since 2004. My so called friends and family are still working and struggling. Now they just call me lucky. Go figure!
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, I never got into any problems with friends or family because of it, but if a person tries to knock you for doing you're own thing then fuck em, imo.
No, it is NOT a meaningless statement. I was replying to a guy who said he met the OWNER's wife. The OWNER is at the TOP by definition! ...and Amway DOES have a pyramid structure, whats why so many at the bottom lose. The real money comes from bringing people in, not from selling product.
Any body who makes money in a network marketing program will be considered at the top, as they will have people below them. So it's meaningless to say that people at the top make the money, as anyone who becomes successful goes to the "top" regardless of when they join. The owners are not the only people making money in Amway or other businesses, but you'll totally ignore the testimonies of anybody making good money. The owners of any business will make good money, but that's common in ANY business, whether it's an MLM or not.
The prime reason why people push to bring in people under them is because it creates a passive income stream when those people make sells or bring people in. It's just logical to recruit in such a structure, it doesn't mean that the products or service offered are illegitimate.
Once again, the owner is at the top of the pyramid or "network" as you call it so its far from meaningless to say he makes money because he should be getting a piece of what everyone makes.
I see you have an answer to every comment and you are obviously sitting here watching this thread and probably getting several PMs from people who want to join up. I just wish there more than just words to prove whatever you're selling works because I see so many people who run into folks like you who seem to have all the answers. Its just heartbreaking to see folks trying to sell that stuff, and I don't mind paying a little extra to help a friend but it always turns out the same. I just threw away some soap that has been sitting around for over 10 years.
I guess the best way to look at this is, people who join up are trying to start a business with nothing. If you have a million dollars to invest, you can buy a decent fast food franchise and if you can keep your employees from stealing, you are almost guaranteed to be successful. As you start investing lower amounts , say $10,000, you don't get bricks an mortar, you are basically advertising on your own. When you invest zero, you're pretty much canvasing friends and family, convincing them to buy stuff that they can get almost anywhere cheaper and the chances of being successful pretty much match the sweat you put into it. Of course this is not for everyone, but it presented as if it is.
Every business has an owners who eat off the overall business. It's worthless to even mention.
I'm not marketing in this thread. I don't even do signups myself anymore, I outsource just about all my tasks nowadays. Nobody is selling shit in this thread and I don't even care about Amway, the only reason I respond to this thread is people call every network marketing opportunity a scam without doing any non-biased research.
If they're making money, why the fuck are you heart broke? If they start making money, they'll stick to it...if they don't they quit. It's not a big fucking deal.
No one is going to make a ton of money just marketing to their immediate circle of friends and family, so again this is a straw man argument. If you don't like sales, then okay, but every business tries to get you to buy shit that you might can find for cheaper elsewhere.
You're being marketed to everyday by companies....I fail to see why it's wrong for individuals to do the same thing that large companies do.
Now we were going along just fine now you have to start cursing at me? It is heartbreaking to me because they DON'T make money! In my experience it always turns out they same, people are highly motivated to sell and they have their little sayings like a job is "Just Over Broke". They go around planning for their Bentley then they end up with nothing. Once again, its heartbreaking to me because everyone I know that goes into it ends up with nothing.
There is no need to curse at me.
I said it was "no big fucking deal," I wasn't cussing at you, calm down.
I see people who fail all the time too....but I also see people who succeed and nothing makes me prouder.
That's just how it goes, some make it, most don't...but to feel sorry for people who might accomplish their goals is pessimistic at best, belittling at worse. You're basically saying that it's impossible for them to succeed regardless of how they try, which is not only inaccurate but condescending.
You said, and I quote:
I am not belittling anyone. I see people from all walks of life, black and white. But for the people I have met who sell Amway products, 15 out of 15 failed. I am not saying its impossible, I am just saying that I, personally, who have seen a decent amount of people who have tried, they all failed. So I would say, based on my personal experience seeing people selling Amway products, the probability of success is low... and heartbreaking.
The biggest problem in using statistics to determine a person's likelihood of making money, is the stats that are used don't take into account a person's background, marketing/sales experience, intelligence, education, ability, etc. It's just a flat statistic.
If you join Amway, your chances might be low, but I'd bet your right arm and leg that if I joined ithere'd be a 99% chance I'd make good money with it.
These type of programs have no quality control filter as far as new recruits, the price of entry is relatively low (or sometimes free), and it's no experience necessary. Of course this is going to have a high failure rate just based on those factors.
It's the same reason why 99% of the web gets no traffic. Anybody can create a web page. That doesn't mean you should laugh at a person or look down on someone who tries to make money online.
If you join Amway, your chances might be low, but I'd bet your right arm and leg that if I joined ithere'd be a 99% chance I'd make good money with it.
These type of programs have no quality control filter as far as new recruits, the price of entry is relatively low (or sometimes free), and it's no experience necessary. Of course this is going to have a high failure rate just based on those factors.
It's the same reason why 99% of the web gets no traffic. Anybody can create a web page. That doesn't mean you should laugh at a person or look down on someone who tries to make money online.
A lot of people fail in their first marketing opportunity or take a while before they get good... most never get good....however, there are successes. Amway isn't the type of thing I'd be in to, but I wouldn't look down on a person who's joined....they do have millionaires and people who make over 6 figures in their program.
It's simply condescending to assume failure unless you totally ignore that there are people that succeed in these businesses.
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you still defending this BS Scam Business Method?
you still defending this BS Scam Business Method?
you still trolling and getting shitted on?
How can call me condescending and assuming failure? I always wish the best to people I know who do this, and I always buy stuff from them. I support my friends regardless but it just seems like a very high risk opportunity since no one I know has ever succeeded. I know it keeps being repackaged so hide the Amway foundation but the result still seems to turn out the same.
They changed once...and they're expanding in new countries and have been growing. As the primary means of their continued expansion are it's members, it's pretty foolish to say that this expansion doesn't have any membership success to it.
Also, like I said I know tons of people who try to build a website to make money online, pushing this that or the other...almost none of them ever make money. The vast majority of apps developed for Andriod and IOS never get downloaded. Simply because it's a high failure, I wouldn't discourage a person from trying to build a website or to develop an app to make money.
Do you feel sorry for people who build website their own website or who try to make it in professional sports or who try to have a music career? If you don't look down on people doing the above, then you must be feeling sorry for these people for some other reason.
Just stop it... Your initial comment in that Amway isnt a scam is technically true. However, you're now trying to justify the business model as a whole which is what I disagree with. If individuals who "unsuccessful" with Amway put that energy into their own business, they would be successful.
Are there ways to make money that may be better than Amway? Sure... I don't know why that makes it enter scam arena, nor does it mean that there are no successes.
At what precise success rate level does something become a scam? There are people in the program who make good money and it's not illegal, therefore it's not a scam in any shape or form.
Just because you don't like a program doesn't make it a scam, especially if it's perfectly legal and does not promise things it doesn't deliver.
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No, I do not feel sorry for people creating their own web site because they don't have high-pressure cats pushing them to sell a bunch of stuff to their fiends with a promise of success only to be discarded after their friends stop answering their calls. Oh, by the way, my wife just came in and we were talking about this. He has a lot more friends than I do and all of her friends failed at it. ...but I guess its all their fault too.
I'm not a MLM guy, but it is a LEGAL way to earn money. I still don't understand why so many people are calling it a scam.
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Well if the person was lied to when they signed up, I can see that as being wrong, but if they are told the truth, then it's not an issue.
Its still a scam huh?
Cause anything that isnt a job or you will have to invest in is a scam.
Its still a scam huh?
No
I'm simply stating I can understand why some would feel its a "scam" but by using the true definition of the word scam - Amway does not meet the criteria. Is it silly and a waste of time, yes! but a scam No.
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I'm simply stating I can understand why some would feel its a "scam" but by using the true definition of the word scam - Amway does not meet the criteria. Is it silly and a waste of time, yes! but a scam No.
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