Lol I'm get her tomorrow, when I return the training materials she gave...
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Amway or Scamway
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I bet your family and friends go running when you come around and say
"Oh damn, here come Q004 and his Amway shit again"
I'm successful, I don't have any issues as far as friends or family, you're silly. Only unsuccessful or brand new people have to rely on bothering their friends and family... people who actually make money go outside of just their inner circle and network with new people to make money.
Posting stories of people who are failures doesn't represent people who do well.
It's a business. It's basically a franchise. In a franchise, you're at a disadvantage when it comes to your ownership stake, but it can be an advantage in terms of running something that already has a structure. Most people don't know how to start a good business, while a decent franchise will train you. It's much easier than starting from scratch.
There is alot of these network marketing businesses out there. My dad was into them. Learned from his mistakes. I didn't have a dad when I was young because he was out every night doing this crap.
I see a lot of my peers getting into Body By Vi/Visalus. You order/sell protein shakes and you can get a "free BMW" . Dudes on my twitter/facebook be pushing this bullshit. Did some research on it. The whole thing about getting a BMW is true if you reach a certain quota monthly... but if it ever drops, then they take it away.
So you basically selling protein shakes to floss.
I see a lot of my peers getting into Body By Vi/Visalus. You order/sell protein shakes and you can get a "free BMW" . Dudes on my twitter/facebook be pushing this bullshit. Did some research on it. The whole thing about getting a BMW is true if you reach a certain quota monthly... but if it ever drops, then they take it away.
So you basically selling protein shakes to floss.
I have seen around 15 of my friends trying to sell Amway, none of them made any money. I know how the scheme goes, "if you didn't make money, you didn't work hard enough", but for most of those people, it was all they had, they were really pinning their hopes and dreams on that shit but had to walk away. I am sure its possible to make money with it, I think I could make money with it but not enough to make it worth my time.
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how much they got you for that training kit..
dude this aint the fifties.
you can do the same shit with ebay or amazon, and training manuals are free on the net..
buy your own shit low and sell high, and you dont have to annoy your family and friends with your shananigans
Ive never had to buy a training kit, Amway's website has a learning center with free stuff...sooo you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Over 90% of businesses fail, so is opening up a business a scam? Simply because you don't make money doing something doesn't mean it was a scam, it just means that you were unsuccessful. The "I didn't make money, so it's a scam" is one of the most retarded sayings out there. Nobody can guarantee you success in a marketing / sales type thing because you just might not be good at it.However, that doesn't mean this type of business is a scam.
The main thing is that it isn't a job, it's a business opportunity... most people aren't going to be successful in any business opportunity. That does not make the opportunity illegitimate. Amway is a mutlibillion dollar company, of course there are people making money with it.
Tell me the major difference between joining Amway and buying into a franchise?
Also, network marketing doesn't require you to herass your friends/family. If you can't make money outside the circle of people you already know, then you're unlikely to be successful in any opportunity.
Are you serious? If I own a Dominos franchise people
walk in off the street. Yes I invested my own money
but I'm not running down people I know, holding
sales parties in my home, pressuring people to join on
a monthly plan. Come on homeboy, I was a Marketing Major
with a concentration in international marketing.
Amway is nothing more than a MULTI-LEVEL MAKETING COMPANY
it's old yes, and many many other have come and gone disguised
as just that too. If I need explain to to
the exactly difference, then you my friend have "bought" into the system Amway loves you..
Absolutely and when you're dealing with a franchise, the franchisor will account for things like market saturation which is something Amway absolutely does not do. In addition, unlike every other franchisor, Amway marketing campaigns have no benefit to you because they advertise themselves and the opportunity, not the product/sellers.
Dominos is a different business model than Amway, but many legit businesses may have a network marketing aspect to it. Also, once again, I've already shown that the whole "running down" people you know shit is bogus....and only said by unsuccessful people.
I'm not in Amway, but I make a six figure income from home...so I know what the fuck I'm talking about. You guys try to make it seem like every network marketer is unsuccessful. You can't point at people who ain't shit as if they are the only people in the business.
You may have a distaste for network marketing, but that doesn't make all network marketers desperate or mean that something based on it is a scam.
Different franchises give you a different degree of information. Also, people claimed amway was nearing saturation point for decades and it's 100x bigger now. It's practically impossible to know how big Amway could get. There's simply biased hatred towards the industry.
Amway isn't raking in billions by having no successful people.
A multi-billion dollar company that has been growing for decades and sells legiitmate products is a scam?
Some dumb niggas in the world, I swear.
Localized saturation.
Well considering you can market online, that's barely a major factor. Beyond that, any such projection is only speculative. When Amway was worth a few million dollars, the critics cried saturation...now it's worth billions, people are still saying the same thing. The company can go on to be worth 10s of billions or even hundreds of billions... you have no clue, it's purely speculative. Tons of people have never heard of Amway, I doubt it's reaching any over saturation level anytime soon.
Secondly, no such figure would be indicative of an individuals potential. One thing that I learned is if a person can market one program successfully, they can likely market others successfully too. So a marketing guru could make a killing in Amway, regardless of any imagined saturation point.
You think calling Amway a "scam" is retarded, I think joining up is retarded. The big argument is "it's a multi-billion dollar company". That is true but what are they REALLY selling? HOPE! Its a lot like a mega-church. They preach success and build people up so that they think they will become millionaires by annoying their friends. The money from Amway doesn't come from selling that shit, it comes from bringing more people in. Once their friends are sick of them and their dreams are dashed, they leave and a new crop comes in. Its theoretically possible to make money at this but you will need to have a bunch of people under you. Nothing differentiates these products so they really don't sell themselves.
Every business seeks to hype up it's membership and to have either quality employees or franchisees... this is completely normal business practice. The people who are paying their bills with Amway certainly don't think it's retarded.... people mostly operate off the straw man that there aren't many successful people in the company, when the exact opposite is true.
Once again, this a straw man. You can be successful without marketing to any of your current friends. Sure you may make new friends for the purpose of selling them something, but that's called networking. When people go into business for themselves, most will fail, this isn't anything unique to Amway or network marketing. Shit, most niggas who try to make it in sports or music will fail at an even higher rate than Amway, but we don't call people dreaming for a music career or to be a professional athletes that never make it, victims of a scam.
As long as the person isn't being guaranteed success, it is not a scam for them to fail.
Yes, because most people who open a business just have magical products with no competition that sell themselves with no marketing effort
Tim sales brillant compensation, Breaks down MLM in simple terms but what I see folk are against it the same way conservatives are Sooo against social programs.
http://cde.explorefreedom.com/en/pl...8085F&MODE=LIVE&xcf1=&xcf2=&xcf3=&xcf4=&xcf5=
http://cde.explorefreedom.com/en/pl...8085F&MODE=LIVE&xcf1=&xcf2=&xcf3=&xcf4=&xcf5=
Most network marketers fail because #1 The don't actually know how to network or talk to people and #2 They don't know how to market or drive traffic. They don't typically fail because the product/service is unsellable. If they were qualified to do the task, they'd likely make some kind of money.
My grandpa sells amway. He was able to buy 2 homes,vehicles and go on nice vacations through selling their products. Having said that, he's a pastor so his members were his main clients, so easy money for him.
The whole scam argument is all based around pointing to the people who fail, while completely ignoring people who don't.
There are no guarantees in business and you make what you earn.... most people are only taught a job mentality, so they think everyone who joins a network marketing program is supposed to succeed. Let's totally ignore that 90% of people who join biz opps quit within the first week and even less stick with it or apply themselves long enough to be proficient at marketing.
Those who are good at will make money, those who aren't will fail. As long as they aren't being guaranteed success and there's an actual product, service or legitimate source of income, there is no scam.
this cat Q004 is breaking yall down
He is not breaking ME down, what I see first hand is far more meaningful to me than the words of someone trained to defend Amway.
I have to take the family to dinner so I didn't get a chance to read this. I just did the google query "what percentage of people are successful selling Amway"? The best "looking" answer is below...
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A quick bit of math shows that Dr Taylor thus claims the “odds” of profiting in Amway are 1 in 8294. He calculates these “odds” based on numerous assumptions (for which I might add, he has next to no data to support), including what peoples expenses are. Now, for the purposes of this post I’m going to ignore these type of assumptions, but if they are correct (they’re not) then his “odds” might be a reasonable statistic to consider, except for one thing – unlike roulette, Amway is not a game of chance.
http://www.thetruthaboutamway.com/amway-success-what-are-your-odds/
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A quick bit of math shows that Dr Taylor thus claims the “odds” of profiting in Amway are 1 in 8294. He calculates these “odds” based on numerous assumptions (for which I might add, he has next to no data to support), including what peoples expenses are. Now, for the purposes of this post I’m going to ignore these type of assumptions, but if they are correct (they’re not) then his “odds” might be a reasonable statistic to consider, except for one thing – unlike roulette, Amway is not a game of chance.
http://www.thetruthaboutamway.com/amway-success-what-are-your-odds/
Well I suppose you don't know a ton of successful marketers, but I do. Pointing to people who fail while having no connection to those who don't is far from a valid opinion. Almost every person that I consider a business friend and I talk to the most makes a living online and I make a living online as well.
The same programs I've seen people proclaim that you can't make money with, I see people buying cars, houses and going on vacations off.
If a person wants to take the opinions of people who have never made a dollar in these programs over people who have changed their lives, then so be it.
I'd wager that the amount of people who make good money with any biz opp to be relatively low, but like I said before, it's heavily skewed to use these figure for your potential. I've owned marketing sites, and 99% of people never even log in after a week
A more truthful statistic would be based on the percentage of people who market for a long time and do it full time and seek training. Those stats would be much more favorable.
Let me tell you what happens the vast majority of times when a person joins a biz opp. The biz opp has attractive video or sales person, the person gets excited and joins up. The new signee doesn't fully understand what the biz opp is about or they don't have prior experience with a similar program.
They then go hit up a couple of their friends and their friends @ them for joining a scam and they quit. Or a person tries to market, but doesn't yet know how to write good ad copy, doesn't know where to market or how to convert people.
People then look at these people and think it's IMPOSSIBLE to make any real money, not because it's really that difficult, but because people who are wet behind the ears and breath still smell like Similac ain't eating
Your potential to make money with Amway is more determined by your existing skillset and your ability to grow, not whether or not Amway makes sales.
Shit, I got my own shit popping and I thought the hating niggas would shut up when I get into the tens of millions, but here we have a multi-billion dollar operation with tons of successes that still can't get any respect
They then go hit up a couple of their friends and their friends
@ them for joining a scam and they quit. Or a person tries to market, but doesn't yet know how to write good ad copy, doesn't know where to market or how to convert people.People then look at these people and think it's IMPOSSIBLE to make any real money, not because it's really that difficult, but because people who are wet behind the ears and breath still smell like Similac ain't eating
Your potential to make money with Amway is more determined by your existing skillset and your ability to grow, not whether or not Amway makes sales.
Shit, I got my own shit popping and I thought the hating niggas would shut up when I get into the tens of millions, but here we have a multi-billion dollar operation with tons of successes that still can't get any respect
Just to add to Q004's argument...A LARGE sample of those in the fail category are like Q said people who joined and didn't have a clue of what they were in or how to do it, than these jokers brought in people.
So realistically you can have 1 cat who joins 1 week persuades or cajoles his peeps to join the next (lets say he gets 4 to join) none of them have training or do whats required to market product. Than within a month you got 5 failures swearing to god and anyone who will listen that MLM is a scam and dont work.
I have literally met over 10 documented millionaires in my company. It wasn't over night, they put in work built a solid customer base and trained others to do the same. Just cause most fail does not mean the business model is a scam. How many people have tried their hand at opening a restaurant or selling food and failed? does that mean the food business is a scam?
I would like to say the only reason I am defending network marketing is because it is an OPTION to make money, if you apply yourself. In this day and economic age you need to have at least 3 sources of income working for you.
With network marketing it allows you an alternate source while you still have your main gig. And truthfully it is a low buy in cost. Company I work with has 3 intro packages from $200-350 and the money is really the cost of product to start your business (also you can sign-up for $35 but you have no product to sell or use as samples to start your business.)
once again we as black folks really need to consider all options when it comes to business. We need to learn how to evaluate a business option and to learn what it takes to work the market or field we get in.
So realistically you can have 1 cat who joins 1 week persuades or cajoles his peeps to join the next (lets say he gets 4 to join) none of them have training or do whats required to market product. Than within a month you got 5 failures swearing to god and anyone who will listen that MLM is a scam and dont work.
I have literally met over 10 documented millionaires in my company. It wasn't over night, they put in work built a solid customer base and trained others to do the same. Just cause most fail does not mean the business model is a scam. How many people have tried their hand at opening a restaurant or selling food and failed? does that mean the food business is a scam?
I would like to say the only reason I am defending network marketing is because it is an OPTION to make money, if you apply yourself. In this day and economic age you need to have at least 3 sources of income working for you.
With network marketing it allows you an alternate source while you still have your main gig. And truthfully it is a low buy in cost. Company I work with has 3 intro packages from $200-350 and the money is really the cost of product to start your business (also you can sign-up for $35 but you have no product to sell or use as samples to start your business.)
once again we as black folks really need to consider all options when it comes to business. We need to learn how to evaluate a business option and to learn what it takes to work the market or field we get in.
Truth 101.
Network marketing businesses will have a higher failure rate than other businesses solely based off the fact that ANYBODY CAN JOIN and it's cheap (or free) to start.
However, if you were to qualify good network marketers, you'd see that the success rate is no less than any other biz opp.
Again, you cannot compare a Multi-Level Marketing company to a franchise which
you tried to do before.
In order to be "successful" at Amway/Avon/Herbalife/Stream Energy whatever...You MUST recruit.
Focus on the word SUCCESSFUL. Yeah
You can sell but the real money is the "backend" money you get
from recruiting others. Which happen to be YOUR COMPETITION
Multi-Level Marketing Companies did nothing more than create a
Compensation structure which collapses is 98% of the People. But
the Company doesn't care cause they lock you and others into a
minimum monthly purchase amount.
In my Opinion and experience they ruin friendships and can turn families inside
all in the name of a dollar.
Multi-Level Marketing companies have tried to hide their TRUE Business Model and
reinvent themselves over the years but behind the smoke and mirrors, they are the same.
The "Franchise" is a PROVEN business System...PERIOD
You actually Build Equity which can be sold by you later.
This is 100% false, and shows me you don't know what you're talking about. I know single individuals who make a killing all by themselves.
Over 90% of people fail ANY business opportunity... the amount is higher for MLM, not necessarily because of a problem with the biz model, but the easier access to entry.
For the 10th time in this thread, this is bullshit as you don't have to market to family or friends to make money.
People often market to family and friends first because they are scared to talk to people they don't know, not because it's a requirement to make money.
In network marketing opportunities, people most often start off marketing to people they know. It doesn't really mean that people that they know are the most receptive (the opposite is actually true, you'll make WAY MORE money marketing to people you don't know). Marketing to people you know is simply a starter step as most people are too TERRIFIED to talk to people they don't know.
...so here is MY problem with the whole Amway deal: People get recruited and get their heads filled with motivation and hope. You say people are too TERRIFIED to talk to people they don't know but why aren't they trained to do that if that's part of the formula??? Its always the same thing with you cats, you preach how great your business is and when people fail, you blame them. Yes, I only spoke with or befriended 15 people, but 100% of them failed at their attempt at selling Amway. I am sure if you're going to conventions, you are seeing the higher level guys strutting around, at least claiming great success. But since you are going to the meetings or whatever they call it, to find these people, your view is a far more skewed than mine.
All that being said, 1 year from now, even if YOU are successful at this, statistically ALL of the stans cheering you on today will be quiet or gone.
Their tactics mirror Jehovah's Witnesses.
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