this album is definitely no classic. we all have our own opinions, but saying its a classic is crazy. this album seemed uninspired, and the lyrics were so-so. aside from roc boys, nothing really stood out to me. i'll give jay the benefit of the doubt since it sounds like a soundtrack, because he had to stick to a script.
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this album is definitely no classic. we all have our own opinions, but saying its a classic is crazy. this album seemed uninspired, and the lyrics were so-so. aside from roc boys, nothing really stood out to me. i'll give jay the benefit of the doubt since it sounds like a soundtrack, because he had to stick to a script.
ok i'm done
i thought your debate was based on something intelligent
i guess styles is the man cause he did time for stabbing somebody
and jay aint cuz he stabbed UN and stayed free
that shit means nothing
we were talking about the music guy.
btw gangsta and a gentleman is a classic to me
time is money is average
hopefully super gangsta will be better
Shams,
thanks for fine analogy. Good to see everybody out here is not brainwashed by Jay-Z's propaganda and gimmicks.
i've always wondered about Jay he is supposed to be a drug kingpin has he ever been arrested for anything??? Up until he stabbed Un i don't think he has thats amazing for somebody supposed to be into the street life.
its just a observation carry on
i know its not the official soundtrack of the movie, but you might as well call it the soundtrack since he one, named the album after the movie, two, stuck to theme of the movie, and three, based his character off of frank lucas. he pigeonholed himself into a soundtrack which limited his content to that time and that plot. jay is dope, definitely better than most of the trash coming out, but to say this is his best album since reasonable doubt is ridiculous.
and its not about knowing what a true classic is, its about you can't use that term loosely. not everything that is hot is a classic. and this isn't even that hot to be honest.
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nigga u need help for this thread title...blueprint and black album shit on american gangsta
First of all i need help. Somebody said something interesting in the last post and im going to say it too . If your between the ages of 14-23 get the fuck outta here you dont know nothing about hip hop. If you call country grammar by nelly an old school track (like they did on 106 on time) , what the hell do you know about hip hop again. Im not going to argue the fact of Jay - Z being one of the best rappers in my opinion he is, but lets be real here. I cant respect some young cats opinion because you have been exposed to garbage most of your life. So when you hear realness its alright, but yall niggas is programmed to all these damn rock-a-bye baby rappers . That means catchy hooks and songs with no substance. Then when you get a nigga like Jay- Z whose songs have substance too it , like yes most of the songs on Kingdom Come. Yall niggas say its wack. I shouldnt get mad cause yall programmed to accept this . Tell me your favorite rappers and ill bust them all down on how they have no substance to there words. Lil Wayne too. How about yeah I am a Lil Wayne fan too and hes a beast too me, but when he comes down to substance i have a problem ,cause his songs are immature. When you listen to artist you want to see maturity growth. But I guess not no more just make me dance. Tell me about how you killed the nigga, money, bitches, and hoes , and you hot too me.
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on the real about subjects on rappers gettin shot and who's the hardest out of that nixon just sign off cause shit every nigga in the hood that raps should be superstars now with big ass houses. and how did jay-z brainwash me and other people. everyone on here must be white or young ass teenage girls on here cause i dont wacth bet on mtv or videos or any radio channel at all. and when i said i listen to everything i mean everything greenday, smashing pumpkins, nirvana, black sheep, gang starr too many to list. me i just give due to what deserves it and american gangster deserves it. what mainstream artist came out with a good cd in the last 5 years everyone went crazy over nobody. man yall kill me with the young cats cant know about music shit. man im 23 my pops produced for the temptations, my god father was eddie kendricks brother i grew up around music good and bad. and yes i can say i had shaq first cd i was a little kid and kriss kross cd's, but yo i had all the PE cd's tupac biggie wu tang everything that was hot. but you never answered the question how does jay-z brainwash people. i really dont get that its more niggas that hate jay then like him. and as for the styles p comments yes this niggas the hardest and i dont give a fuck what yall think on hear who spits harder then styles now. he got way more songs then wayne but he gets no credit. that my two cents
agreed.
its a hot cd because u can listen to any track on the album and apply it to any scene to the actual movie. AND IT PROGRESSEs JUST LIKE THE FUCKIN MOVIE!!! jay did a really good job on this. im just confused as to why lil wayne was on a brooklyn track. thats the only disappointment. u would think wayne would wanna step his game up on a track with jigga but it just comes to show...wayne cant hold a candle to jay...incredible album tho...it truly is a concept album and damn well should be the soundtrack...
American Gangster IS the best Jay-Z cd since Resonable Doubt.
Intelligent, inspired, focused, and mature. This is grown and sexy, definitely INSPIRED BY CLASSIC BLAXPLOITATION FLAVORS. We aint even talking about radio play. Everything on the album is screaming to be a classic, even that Beastie Boys cut.
Young cats wont judge this in the same way early hip hop vs rap cats will. The GOLDEN AGE OF HIP HOP is long gone and Illmatic, Me Against The World, Only Built for Cuban Linx, The Chronic, Ready To Die, and Reasonable Doubt were the tail end of it.
This album is pretty damn close.
oNE
Intelligent, inspired, focused, and mature. This is grown and sexy, definitely INSPIRED BY CLASSIC BLAXPLOITATION FLAVORS. We aint even talking about radio play. Everything on the album is screaming to be a classic, even that Beastie Boys cut.
Young cats wont judge this in the same way early hip hop vs rap cats will. The GOLDEN AGE OF HIP HOP is long gone and Illmatic, Me Against The World, Only Built for Cuban Linx, The Chronic, Ready To Die, and Reasonable Doubt were the tail end of it.
This album is pretty damn close.
oNE
Best album since Resonable Doubt. Blueprint is severly overrated, as is Jay.
Truth be told, Kingdom Come is a better album than Blueprint. You'll see in time.
And Jay has only had 3 solid albums, with one being a classic: Reasonable Doubt, The Black Album and American Gangster.
And is it me, or are you seeing Jay bite some more rappers' flow (i.e. Rakim entire first verse of "My Melody" on "Blue Magic)
And once again, Nas ate this dude's lunch and slapped him upside the head with the subliminal. He probably noticed and that's why the track is off soon as Nas starts rhyming.
I'm assuming that Wayne was on a track to bring that southern flavor, sorta like how Lucas brought his family in the south up.
Truth be told, Kingdom Come is a better album than Blueprint. You'll see in time.
And Jay has only had 3 solid albums, with one being a classic: Reasonable Doubt, The Black Album and American Gangster.
And is it me, or are you seeing Jay bite some more rappers' flow (i.e. Rakim entire first verse of "My Melody" on "Blue Magic)
And once again, Nas ate this dude's lunch and slapped him upside the head with the subliminal. He probably noticed and that's why the track is off soon as Nas starts rhyming.
I'm assuming that Wayne was on a track to bring that southern flavor, sorta like how Lucas brought his family in the south up.
i never thought of it like that it might be true
Best album since Reasonable Doubt?
I reasonably doubt that.
Vol 1 and Vol 2 are ahead of AG..hell.... Blueprint, overrated or not, might be better than this.
AG is good when comparing it to todays rap trash. Nowadays, young cats (and to me, anyone under 30 is a young cat) are quick to bust a load in their boxers and call something a CLASSIC with the quick-fast.
Just like a young dude is quick to get pussy-whipped and fall in love with the first chick who put it on his ass sexually.
American Gangster is far from CLASSIC. Better than Kingdom Come by far, but classic? Best since RD?
Pause, young'uns.
I reasonably doubt that.
Vol 1 and Vol 2 are ahead of AG..hell.... Blueprint, overrated or not, might be better than this.
AG is good when comparing it to todays rap trash. Nowadays, young cats (and to me, anyone under 30 is a young cat) are quick to bust a load in their boxers and call something a CLASSIC with the quick-fast.
Just like a young dude is quick to get pussy-whipped and fall in love with the first chick who put it on his ass sexually.
American Gangster is far from CLASSIC. Better than Kingdom Come by far, but classic? Best since RD?
Pause, young'uns.
Sounds like a typical Jay Z album to me. 1 or 2 hot tracks and the rest are just...eh.
actually, i am really diggin the album. i didn't think too much of it when i 1st heard it but it's one of those that you begin to like the more you hear it. but yea, this knocks Kingdom Come out the water...i don't know about better than Reasonable Doubt. Reasonable Doubt will be Reasonable Doubt, American Gangster will be....
but imo, The Black ALBUM is the best Jay Z album. to me, The Black ALBUM, Reasonable Doubt and American Gangster are the only Jay Z albums i can listen to all the way through.
but imo, The Black ALBUM is the best Jay Z album. to me, The Black ALBUM, Reasonable Doubt and American Gangster are the only Jay Z albums i can listen to all the way through.
i dunno why the fuck ya niggas argue about this..
i just seem some nigga say that this is "a typical Jay album..only 1 or 2 hot tracks" like seriously..either u know nothing bout rap or the niggas discography or you just talking shit right now..i respect a niggas opinion but that just sounds dumb lol..
with that said..nigga is the best rapper alive..hands down..u can argue that other niggas can top him lyrically (insert any underground rapper here)..but them niggas can only put words together and lack the ability to make hot tracks..which is really what this rap business is about..
1) Reasonable Doubt - classic
2) Vol. 1 - attempt at commercialism..caused this one not to be classic..yet was still lyrically on par..
3) Vol. 2 - classic
4) Vol. 3 - can be argued as en ehh album aside from Big Pimpin and Do It Again
5) The Dynasty - good album..nothing to brag about
6) Blueprint - Classic
7) Blueprint 2 - attempt at successfully creating a double disc which i have only seen done successfully by Life After Death in my opion..cut out the filler (which was done through release of 2.1 and u got another classsic)
8) Black Album - Classic
9) Kingdom Come - i dunno why all the hate..i consider it a good album just nothing to brag about
10) American Gangster - im on the fence about giving this a classic rating as of right now..i just feel its got it just too soon for me to say it lol..the arrangement of the disc into acts (intro..rise..and fall) and just the fact that it feels so RD-ish..is just ill to me..Hello Brooklyn is the only one im not really feeling..yet even that i can tolerate..
The nigga has fuckin 5 classics under his belt..
American Gangster is the shit..the only niggas that aint feeling it is the ones that probably dont listen to music and just skim through it..
end this thread right here..
i just seem some nigga say that this is "a typical Jay album..only 1 or 2 hot tracks" like seriously..either u know nothing bout rap or the niggas discography or you just talking shit right now..i respect a niggas opinion but that just sounds dumb lol..
with that said..nigga is the best rapper alive..hands down..u can argue that other niggas can top him lyrically (insert any underground rapper here)..but them niggas can only put words together and lack the ability to make hot tracks..which is really what this rap business is about..
1) Reasonable Doubt - classic
2) Vol. 1 - attempt at commercialism..caused this one not to be classic..yet was still lyrically on par..
3) Vol. 2 - classic
4) Vol. 3 - can be argued as en ehh album aside from Big Pimpin and Do It Again
5) The Dynasty - good album..nothing to brag about
6) Blueprint - Classic
7) Blueprint 2 - attempt at successfully creating a double disc which i have only seen done successfully by Life After Death in my opion..cut out the filler (which was done through release of 2.1 and u got another classsic)
8) Black Album - Classic
9) Kingdom Come - i dunno why all the hate..i consider it a good album just nothing to brag about
10) American Gangster - im on the fence about giving this a classic rating as of right now..i just feel its got it just too soon for me to say it lol..the arrangement of the disc into acts (intro..rise..and fall) and just the fact that it feels so RD-ish..is just ill to me..Hello Brooklyn is the only one im not really feeling..yet even that i can tolerate..
The nigga has fuckin 5 classics under his belt..
American Gangster is the shit..the only niggas that aint feeling it is the ones that probably dont listen to music and just skim through it..
end this thread right here..
i dunno why the fuck ya niggas argue about this..
i just seem some nigga say that this is "a typical Jay album..only 1 or 2 hot tracks" like seriously..either u know nothing bout rap or the niggas discography or you just talking shit right now..i respect a niggas opinion but that just sounds dumb lol..
with that said..nigga is the best rapper alive..hands down..u can argue that other niggas can top him lyrically (insert any underground rapper here)..but them niggas can only put words together and lack the ability to make hot tracks..which is really what this rap business is about..
1) Reasonable Doubt - classic
2) Vol. 1 - attempt at commercialism..caused this one not to be classic..yet was still lyrically on par..
3) Vol. 2 - classic
4) Vol. 3 - can be argued as en ehh album aside from Big Pimpin and Do It Again
5) The Dynasty - good album..nothing to brag about
6) Blueprint - Classic
7) Blueprint 2 - attempt at successfully creating a double disc which i have only seen done successfully by Life After Death in my opion..cut out the filler (which was done through release of 2.1 and u got another classsic)
8) Black Album - Classic
9) Kingdom Come - i dunno why all the hate..i consider it a good album just nothing to brag about
10) American Gangster - im on the fence about giving this a classic rating as of right now..i just feel its got it just too soon for me to say it lol..the arrangement of the disc into acts (intro..rise..and fall) and just the fact that it feels so RD-ish..is just ill to me..Hello Brooklyn is the only one im not really feeling..yet even that i can tolerate..
The nigga has fuckin 5 classics under his belt..
American Gangster is the shit..the only niggas that aint feeling it is the ones that probably dont listen to music and just skim through it..
end this thread right here..
Be easy with the name calling yo thats just my opinion. Nigga never was all that to me. Dude bite too much and talk about the same shit every album and cats swear he wasn't no street dude like he portrays anyway. Only person I seen dude put hands on is a female
Anyway to me the Black album and Kingdom Come were his best ones. This shit is uninspired garbage.
i dunno why the fuck ya niggas argue about this..
i just seem some nigga say that this is "a typical Jay album..only 1 or 2 hot tracks" like seriously..either u know nothing bout rap or the niggas discography or you just talking shit right now..i respect a niggas opinion but that just sounds dumb lol..
with that said..nigga is the best rapper alive..hands down..u can argue that other niggas can top him lyrically (insert any underground rapper here)..but them niggas can only put words together and lack the ability to make hot tracks..which is really what this rap business is about..
1) Reasonable Doubt - classic
2) Vol. 1 - attempt at commercialism..caused this one not to be classic..yet was still lyrically on par..
3) Vol. 2 - classic
4) Vol. 3 - can be argued as en ehh album aside from Big Pimpin and Do It Again
5) The Dynasty - good album..nothing to brag about
6) Blueprint - Classic
7) Blueprint 2 - attempt at successfully creating a double disc which i have only seen done successfully by Life After Death in my opion..cut out the filler (which was done through release of 2.1 and u got another classsic)
8) Black Album - Classic
9) Kingdom Come - i dunno why all the hate..i consider it a good album just nothing to brag about
10) American Gangster - im on the fence about giving this a classic rating as of right now..i just feel its got it just too soon for me to say it lol..the arrangement of the disc into acts (intro..rise..and fall) and just the fact that it feels so RD-ish..is just ill to me..Hello Brooklyn is the only one im not really feeling..yet even that i can tolerate..
The nigga has fuckin 5 classics under his belt..
American Gangster is the shit..the only niggas that aint feeling it is the ones that probably dont listen to music and just skim through it..
end this thread right here..
Preach on son!
yep co-sign
the next album wil be the best since reasonable doubt too, nigga is selling y'all crack and y'all still searching for the first high
I don't even fuck with Jay like that and I can say the album is full of classic material.
Somebody post a quotable from this shit.
What people seem to miss in all of this is that a HIP HOP artist just tied Elvis Presly for the most number one albums EVER! Thats big for Jay, but its also big for hip hop, a music people thought would never make it out the 80's alive. Fuck all the dissing, once in a while give some credit and respect instead of dissing every thing this guy does.
You will never have an honest discussion about Jay Z. He's a polarizing artist, some people have just an unrealistic and ridiculous hate for him(see some of the ridiculous disses to him in this thread, their not hard to find), others are just dick riders and can see him doing nothing wrong.
What gets lost all this is a lot of good, even great music. Jay Z is definately a rap legend and a great lyricist. Best ever? Who's to say. It all depends on your opinion, and we all have one, and a lot of times it will differ from another individuals. You should, in my opinion, listen to and respect/like dukes music and enjoy it, or simply, if he's "garbage"
"a biter", etc. , just dont fuck with him. I think country music is shitty, but I dont go out my way to listen to it just to point out why it sucks, thats just retarted. Either listen or dont, that simple!
As far as American Gangster, I'm really liking this album. I'm loving the lyrics, production and overall, just its smooth laid back feel. I think its way too early to call this a classic, which is another bad habit we've gotten to in music, making anything we like at the moment a "classic", lets start letting time dictate that. But this album is in my opinion a very good album, has potential at being a classic, probrably Jays 3rd or 4th best ablum.
You will never have an honest discussion about Jay Z. He's a polarizing artist, some people have just an unrealistic and ridiculous hate for him(see some of the ridiculous disses to him in this thread, their not hard to find), others are just dick riders and can see him doing nothing wrong.
What gets lost all this is a lot of good, even great music. Jay Z is definately a rap legend and a great lyricist. Best ever? Who's to say. It all depends on your opinion, and we all have one, and a lot of times it will differ from another individuals. You should, in my opinion, listen to and respect/like dukes music and enjoy it, or simply, if he's "garbage"
"a biter", etc. , just dont fuck with him. I think country music is shitty, but I dont go out my way to listen to it just to point out why it sucks, thats just retarted. Either listen or dont, that simple!
As far as American Gangster, I'm really liking this album. I'm loving the lyrics, production and overall, just its smooth laid back feel. I think its way too early to call this a classic, which is another bad habit we've gotten to in music, making anything we like at the moment a "classic", lets start letting time dictate that. But this album is in my opinion a very good album, has potential at being a classic, probrably Jays 3rd or 4th best ablum.
People have the same reaction about Tupac. The shit is subjective. I've never said dude was garbage but no one can dispute the fact that he bites a lot of niggas shit. And no one should ever use record sales to measure someone's talent. Shit some would say Pharell's beats and Dame Dash's marketing are a bigger reason for Jay's success than his lyrical prowess. I mean the man even admitted he dumbed down his shit to get sales. Shit 50 cent sold 10 million records and that nigga can't rap a christmas present. That being said I check for Jay because every once in while he drops a track I feel. In my opinion this album isn't better than his previous two. Thats just my opinion. And no way is it better than Reasonable Doubt. I will admit that sometimes Jay drops some dope ass lines. As of yet I haven't heard one quotable on this album. I'm still waiting on someone to post one.
Playboy little do you know, everybody in hip hop "bites" other niggaz shit, Jay just gets dissed for it in a disproportionate amount of posts on the internet. What I was saying was that theirs nothing wrong with debating the quality of music, lyrics, etc., just dont judge Jay and his music/lyrics differently from everyone else, get at everyone the same, because all artist have some shit you could pick at if you were inclined to.
As far as quotables, their also subjective, whats hot to me may not be hot to another individual. But in my opinion, if you listen to this album with all prejudices aside, theirs quotables all over it, I just dont care enough to quote any of them, because with all due respect I dont make any money off this album so proving its worth isnt that important to me. In my humble opinion though, theirs quotables on damn near evey song on this album.
I feel what your saying and I would go at other artist just the same but this thread happens to be about Jay. Like I said I still check for dude cause he makes songs I like. I actually like that cut Hello Brooklyn that shit is hard. As far as the whole album though I'm not impressed. But we've both stated that the shit is subjective and both gave our opinions so I will just leave it at that.
Im a semi young cat at 25 and I have been listening to jay for a while and I have always been a fan of his music , shit , music in general, but what I wonder is Jay receives more hate than anybody in the music industry, I guess it makes since , folks don't hate on a weak ass rapper, (insert a mediocre rapper), his lyrics are analyzed more than anybody elses lyrics nowadays. For the folks that say he is average, answer this, who is better, no bullshit,, people say he is a paper champion, his paper is longer than anybodys in the game, that would make him the "winner" in that department, and when he makes songs that are real , like beach chair,you must love me,moment of clarity , and his song to his partner in jail, do you wanna ride , cats say its the same shit, those couple right there shows the dudes range, y'all not listening, luda aint never went to jail, that means he raps to suburban kids too, 
, who is better in the game, album for album, track for track , I wont to see a response, the dude said , " Im the illist nigga doing it till yall prove me wrong" not dick ridin just stating my opinion, so dont come at me with that gay shit
, people say he is a paper champion, his paper is longer than anybodys in the game, that would make him the "winner" in that department, and when he makes songs that are real , like beach chair,you must love me,moment of clarity , and his song to his partner in jail, do you wanna ride , cats say its the same shit, those couple right there shows the dudes range, y'all not listening, luda aint never went to jail, that means he raps to suburban kids too, , who is better in the game, album for album, track for track , I wont to see a response, the dude said , " Im the illist nigga doing it till yall prove me wrong" not dick ridin just stating my opinion, so dont come at me with that gay shitSimilar threads
