911 call of man who killed two burglars at neighbors house
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Does where I live change the facts??
YES IT DOES
BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE USED TO THE LAW BEING ONE WAY
IN A CERTAIN REGION YOU THINK ITS THE SAME EVERYWHERE.
ITS NOT.
I HAVE LIVE FROM ONE COAST TO THE OTHER AND I CAN TELL YOU
SHIT IS WAAAAY DIFFERENT DEPENDING WHERE YOU ARE.
I WAS IN MEXICO ONE TIME
KICKIN IT WITH MY HOMIE
WE WERE IN THIS LITTLE STORE THAT HAD SOME BAD ASS MARBLE CONFERENCE TABLES AND I WANTED ONE
THE TABLES COST $20,000 EACH
HE YELLS OUT
DAMN I WOULD HAVE TO SELL A LOT OF WEED TO GET THAT SHIT !
EVERYBODY IN THE STORE WAS LIKE WTF !?
KEEP IN MIND WE WERE IN MEXICO
THATS THE WRONG PLACE TO BE TALKIN THAT KIND OF SHIT.
ADMITTEDLY THAT IS A DRASTIC DIFFERENCE IN REGION BUT YOU GET MY POINT
THE LAWS ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT THERE.
IF YOU LIVE IN CALI
AND YOU GET CAUGHT WITH A JOINT YOU WILL PROBABLY GO HOME WITH NOTHING SAID....POSSIBLY A TICKET
GET CAUGHT WITH THE SAME JOINT IN CHICAGO OR PHILLY
YOU GOING TO JAIL AND YOU ARE GONNA PAY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
WHEN IN ROME YOU DO AS TE ROMANS DO.
that vato's loco...que know
You roll the dice everytime you decide to commit a crime. The house won this time. I wish I had a neighbor looking out for my property
What if some kids had been home when these thieves decided to break in? I swear everyone is an apologist as long as the perpetrator is a minority
A bodega owner chopped off this dude's fingers with a machete the other day in Queens. He could have just let the police handle it, but now theives will think twice about robbing a store again. These thieves wont even have to worry about that no more
What if some kids had been home when these thieves decided to break in? I swear everyone is an apologist as long as the perpetrator is a minority
A bodega owner chopped off this dude's fingers with a machete the other day in Queens. He could have just let the police handle it, but now theives will think twice about robbing a store again. These thieves wont even have to worry about that no more
You roll the dice everytime you decide to commit a crime. The house won this time. I wish I had a neighbor looking out for my property
What if some kids had been home when these thieves decided to break in? I swear everyone is an apologist as long as the perpetrator is a minority
A bodega owner chopped off this dude's fingers with a machete the other day in Queens. He could have just let the police handle it, but now theives will think twice about robbing a store again. These thieves wont even have to worry about that no more
Exactly. Cats always defending the "undefendable".
You roll the dice everytime you decide to commit a crime. The house won this time. I wish I had a neighbor looking out for my property
What if some kids had been home when these thieves decided to break in? I swear everyone is an apologist as long as the perpetrator is a minority
A bodega owner chopped off this dude's fingers with a machete the other day in Queens. He could have just let the police handle it, but now theives will think twice about robbing a store again. These thieves wont even have to worry about that no more
Peace,
It's funny how people who are actively serving as an apologist for the shooter are labeling others apologists.
At any rate, I've noticed that the entire "They Deserved It" argument is based on 'what ifs.' What if the thieves had broken in when someone was there? What if they were armed rapists? What if you could turn shit into champagne? The fact of the matter is the shooter was a bloodthirsty cat who killed a couple of thieves that were armed only with his neighbor's television set. Any of you who believes that thieves deserve the death penalty are definitely living in the wrong country.
Yes you could. But as you can see, hardly anyone agrees with you on this subject. I'm just curious, do you own any guns in your home?
Simply not agreeing or disagreeing with the masses is not justification or invalidation of ones opinion or thoughts.
OkAY, I'm changing my opinion (slightly)....So sue me, FUCK IT.
After reviewing a clearer copy of the audio tape I just realized that the 911 audio that was released to the public was highly edited. The 60 year old white man, was using the word "******R" over and over again, "I'm going to kill those ********!" and "I can't let those ******** just get away".
I knew the guy was racist (as I think most whites are but never want to admit), but the shooter was racist on a "Klu Klux Klan member level".
This now makes his whole/sole reason for shooting them based on their skin color alone. I really believe that if they were white thieves he would have held back from shooting them. He would have called 911 and left it at that.
YES, they need to go forward and prosecute him for murder. And let the public hear the whole tape without the "bleeps" in it's utter entirety.
....But I will not say, they didn't deserve what they got. THEY ARE BOTH WRONG. Them for putting themselves in that situation and making it harder for blacks in America to shake a stigmatization enforced by the media that we are all thieves and crooks. And him for shooting someone not, because he was trying to be a hero, but because he felt he was extinguishing what he hated the most. Black people.
Unlike many, I can admit when I'm wrong.
*I will still not hesitate to kill someone who is stealing from my home though. Bet.
Peace.....
After reviewing a clearer copy of the audio tape I just realized that the 911 audio that was released to the public was highly edited. The 60 year old white man, was using the word "******R" over and over again, "I'm going to kill those ********!" and "I can't let those ******** just get away".
I knew the guy was racist (as I think most whites are but never want to admit), but the shooter was racist on a "Klu Klux Klan member level".
This now makes his whole/sole reason for shooting them based on their skin color alone. I really believe that if they were white thieves he would have held back from shooting them. He would have called 911 and left it at that.
YES, they need to go forward and prosecute him for murder. And let the public hear the whole tape without the "bleeps" in it's utter entirety.
....But I will not say, they didn't deserve what they got. THEY ARE BOTH WRONG. Them for putting themselves in that situation and making it harder for blacks in America to shake a stigmatization enforced by the media that we are all thieves and crooks. And him for shooting someone not, because he was trying to be a hero, but because he felt he was extinguishing what he hated the most. Black people.
Unlike many, I can admit when I'm wrong.
*I will still not hesitate to kill someone who is stealing from my home though. Bet.
Peace.....
Ummm, so if someone is robbing you at gun point do you think he hasn't shot me yet so im not going to run my wallet? or do you think of hypotheticals like if i don't cooperate I may lose my life? Decisions are made using hypotheticals, guess they didnt consider that when they decided to steal
Well here are the facts. They entered property that wasn't theirs for the purposes of robbery. They died in the process. If they never broke in, they would still be alive.
What can you take away from this? If you break into someone's home, expect that you may get killed in the process. Is that clear enough for you?
If you have audacity to rob someone you have to understand that you may lose your life in the process. What makes it worse is they pulling this stunt in one of the most pro-gun racist states in the nation. Does the punishment fit the crime, probably not. NEWSFLASH: Life isn't fair.
THIS COULD BE CONSIDERED A HATE CRIME..........BUT
THE LAWYERS WILL SAY HE WAS JUST USING THE TERM NIG*ER AS HIP HOP SLANG
AND IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR COLOR.
HE WILL WALK AND THEN BRAG ABOUT IT
THEY SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN STEALING SHIT EITHER
THE THIEVES PUT THEMSELVES IN THE POSITION TO BE JUDGED BY A WHITE MAN
THE SAME WAY MANY YOUNG BLACK MEN DO EVERYDAY WITHOUT THINKING
I SAY FUCK EM ALL.
Where did you hear this from?
I haven't heard anything about that
Even if true, it still doesn't change my opinion
The two of them gave him a valid reason (under Texas state law) to shoot them because they were thieving
I still say fuck them
Peace,
This argument just doesn't make any sense.
seedster2 said:
No one is disputing that.
seedster2 said:
OK. What's your point? You can get killed doing any number of dumb, inadvisable things. You stand a better chance of getting killed if some bloodthirsty redneck with a shotgun wants to kill you just to see you die. That doesn't make it just.
seedster2 said:
I agree with you here. But just because life isn't fair doesn't mean that someone should be let off the hook for gunning people down. Again, I'm not arguing that burglarizing someone's home isn't horrible and foolhardy. What I'm saying is that it shouldn't be an automatic death sentence. Actually, it seems like you might support my point of view on this.
THIS COULD BE CONSIDERED A HATE CRIME..........BUT
THE LAWYERS WILL SAY HE WAS JUST USING THE TERM NIG*ER AS HIP HOP SLANG
AND IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR COLOR.
HE WILL WALK AND THEN BRAG ABOUT IT
THEY SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN STEALING SHIT EITHER
THE THIEVES PUT THEMSELVES IN THE POSITION TO BE JUDGED BY A WHITE MAN
THE SAME WAY MANY YOUNG BLACK MEN DO EVERYDAY WITHOUT THINKING
I SAY FUCK EM ALL.
Peace,
I'm not just trying to argue with you here when I say that you're taking the easy way out with a statement like this.
Peace,
Yes. I own a couple. I certainly wouldn't use them to murder someone who was stealing furniture from my neighbors house though.
Well, glad to see that you're coming around but im saddened by your reasoning. It doesnt matter that this turd was a racist piece of crap (though i suspected as much from the start). The issue is that this was not a case of defense of self, another or even the property of another. Its a case of street justice and premeditated murder. Period. Who cares that the old fool dropped a few N-bombs, doing so aint against the law but killing unarmed fleeing men in cold blood is.
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT
I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IM NOT CUT OUT TO SAVE THE WORLD SO
IF IT AINT HAPPENING TO ME
FUCK UM.
IM TIRED OF TRYING TO SAVE BLACK PEOPLE FROM THEMSELVES.
ITS THANKLESS AND TIRESOME.
Fleeing means running away from. They were running towards him not running away.
Where did you hear the unedited version?
No. They were leaving the scene of the crime. The cops were in the area (according to the operator). The old piece of shit told the 911 operator "They're leaving, i aint gonna let them get away". The operator told him "Stay in the house, dont go outside." He goes outside, gets their attention by yelling at them and the first things he says are "HEY, dont move. You're dead!".
Three wrongs, and all three should pay for it not just two.
fuck that white sonovabitch, yes they were criminals but unarmed and not even breaking into HIS house. He saw them leaving out the broken window and this sumbitch went outside just to kill em. If that's not murder I don't know what is, because it sure in the hell wasn't "self defense" and I'm not even trying to defend the actions of the burglars but that shit was straight up MURDER.
Another reason IDIOTS(old and young) shouldn't be allowed to have weapons fuck a fifth admendment.
fuck that white sonovabitch, yes they were criminals but unarmed and not even breaking into HIS house. He saw them leaving out the broken window and this sumbitch went outside just to kill em. If that's not murder I don't know what is, because it sure in the hell wasn't "self defense" and I'm not even trying to defend the actions of the burglars but that shit was straight up MURDER.
Another reason IDIOTS(old and young) shouldn't be allowed to have weapons fuck a fifth admendment.
Them kats deserved to be shot!!!! That's No.1
No.2, who is to say you wouldn't do that shit if you were that close with your neighbor. My neighbor is disabled, and i saw his old ass on the lawn with a rake one night, i came out with heat in tow! He's a war veteran and beat cancer twice.. I'd dirt nap a ninja for him!
No.3 Who don't know Texas is straight crazy?
No.4 If they were illegals, this proves a point, and good riddance!
No.2, who is to say you wouldn't do that shit if you were that close with your neighbor. My neighbor is disabled, and i saw his old ass on the lawn with a rake one night, i came out with heat in tow! He's a war veteran and beat cancer twice.. I'd dirt nap a ninja for him!
No.3 Who don't know Texas is straight crazy?
No.4 If they were illegals, this proves a point, and good riddance!
Um no he stepped out the side of the house. They were coming out of the back towards the open street. I saw the diagram on TV here in Houston. They didn't know the police were coming. They saw him and figured he wasn't shit and kept coming towards him. Thats why he yelled for them to stop. Are you in Houston? Cause I am.
Exactly. They were leaving. He yelled to them, they reacted (how exactly they reacted is unknown since two of the three actual witnesses are dead). Why is this so hard for you to understand? Seriously?
Also, it doesnt matter if they knew or didnt know that police were on the way. The murderer did. He was instructed not to instigate the situation but he did. This is textbook premeditated murder and i didnt even need to hear the "unedited" version to confirm as much.
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Nov. 27, 2007, 12:05AM
Lawyer: Pasadena man shot suspects out of fear
Joe Horn has yet to be charged in the killings of 2 accused of burglarizing his neighbor's home
By LIZ AUSTIN PETERSON
Associated Press
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HOUSTON — A man who told police he planned to kill two men he believed were burglarizing his neighbor's house shot them only when they came on his property and he felt threatened, his attorney said on Monday.
Tom Lambright, who represents Joe Horn of Pasadena, said his client was just going to take a look around when he went outside after hearing glass break at his neighbor's house. He had seen Miguel Antonio DeJesus, 38, and Diego Ortiz, 30, crawling into and then out of a window, Lambright said.
Horn went outside, armed with a 12-gauge shotgun, to see where the suspects were heading when he came face-to-face with them in Horn's front yard, Lambright said.
Horn is 61 and heavyset. The suspected burglars were young and strong enough to beat him to death with their bare hands, Lambright said. So when one or both of them "made lunging movements," Horn fired, Lambright said.
"He's trying to protect his own life," Lambright said. "He's scared."
Pasadena police were still compiling their report on the shooting and planned to present the case to Harris County prosecutors within the next two weeks, police spokesman Vance Mitchell said on Monday. From there it is expected to be presented to a grand jury. In the meantime, Horn remains uncharged.
Lambright's description is partly at odds with the 911 call in which a dispatcher urges Horn to stay inside his house and not risk lives.
"Don't go outside the house," the 911 operator pleaded. "You're gonna get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun. I don't care what you think."
"You wanna make a bet?" Horn answered. "I'm gonna kill 'em."
After the shooting, he re-dialed 911.
"I had no choice," he said, his voice shaking. "They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice. Get somebody over here quick."
Diamond Morgan, Diego Ortiz's wife and mother of their 8-month-old son, told TV station KTRK that she was stunned by Horn's comments on the 911 call.
"It's horrible," she said. "He was so eager, so eager to shoot."
But Horn "literally went to pieces" after the shooting, Lambright said. He issued a statement a few days later saying the events would weigh heavily on him for the rest of his life.
He's doing better, however, as he reads letters and e-mails and hears radio broadcasts of people supporting his actions, Lambright said.
"I'm not going to tell you that he still doesn't regret what had happened," Lambright said. "He just said, 'Tom, I had no choice. I had no choice.'
"He's right in that. He really did not."
Texas law allows people to use deadly force to protect themselves if it is reasonable to believe they could otherwise be killed. In limited circumstances, people also can use deadly force to protect their neighbor's property; for example, if a homeowner asks a neighbor to watch over his property while he's out of town.
The question will be whether it was reasonable for Horn to fear the men and whether his earlier threats on the 911 call showed he planned to kill them no matter what, said Fred Moss, who teaches criminal law at Southern Methodist University.
"That's what makes it so hard and that's why we have juries," Moss said.
They almost got it. They have at least acknowledged the right to protect the property of a neighbor, i.e. Deadly Force to Protect the Property of Another.
And, they have dropped that night time shit all together.
Looks like someone finally picked up a book before talking to the paper; but, they have a little more research to do.
For instance, the statute doesn't require that the neighbor ask you to look out for their property before deadly force can be used.
Also, his lawyer is still stuck on that self defense bullshit, when he needs to be focusing on Protecting the Property of Another.
Nov. 27, 2007, 12:05AM
Lawyer: Pasadena man shot suspects out of fear
Joe Horn has yet to be charged in the killings of 2 accused of burglarizing his neighbor's home
By LIZ AUSTIN PETERSON
Associated Press
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HOUSTON — A man who told police he planned to kill two men he believed were burglarizing his neighbor's house shot them only when they came on his property and he felt threatened, his attorney said on Monday.
Tom Lambright, who represents Joe Horn of Pasadena, said his client was just going to take a look around when he went outside after hearing glass break at his neighbor's house. He had seen Miguel Antonio DeJesus, 38, and Diego Ortiz, 30, crawling into and then out of a window, Lambright said.
Horn went outside, armed with a 12-gauge shotgun, to see where the suspects were heading when he came face-to-face with them in Horn's front yard, Lambright said.
Horn is 61 and heavyset. The suspected burglars were young and strong enough to beat him to death with their bare hands, Lambright said. So when one or both of them "made lunging movements," Horn fired, Lambright said.
"He's trying to protect his own life," Lambright said. "He's scared."
Pasadena police were still compiling their report on the shooting and planned to present the case to Harris County prosecutors within the next two weeks, police spokesman Vance Mitchell said on Monday. From there it is expected to be presented to a grand jury. In the meantime, Horn remains uncharged.
Lambright's description is partly at odds with the 911 call in which a dispatcher urges Horn to stay inside his house and not risk lives.
"Don't go outside the house," the 911 operator pleaded. "You're gonna get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun. I don't care what you think."
"You wanna make a bet?" Horn answered. "I'm gonna kill 'em."
After the shooting, he re-dialed 911.
"I had no choice," he said, his voice shaking. "They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice. Get somebody over here quick."
Diamond Morgan, Diego Ortiz's wife and mother of their 8-month-old son, told TV station KTRK that she was stunned by Horn's comments on the 911 call.
"It's horrible," she said. "He was so eager, so eager to shoot."
But Horn "literally went to pieces" after the shooting, Lambright said. He issued a statement a few days later saying the events would weigh heavily on him for the rest of his life.
He's doing better, however, as he reads letters and e-mails and hears radio broadcasts of people supporting his actions, Lambright said.
"I'm not going to tell you that he still doesn't regret what had happened," Lambright said. "He just said, 'Tom, I had no choice. I had no choice.'
"He's right in that. He really did not."
Texas law allows people to use deadly force to protect themselves if it is reasonable to believe they could otherwise be killed. In limited circumstances, people also can use deadly force to protect their neighbor's property; for example, if a homeowner asks a neighbor to watch over his property while he's out of town.
The question will be whether it was reasonable for Horn to fear the men and whether his earlier threats on the 911 call showed he planned to kill them no matter what, said Fred Moss, who teaches criminal law at Southern Methodist University.
"That's what makes it so hard and that's why we have juries," Moss said.
They almost got it. They have at least acknowledged the right to protect the property of a neighbor, i.e. Deadly Force to Protect the Property of Another.
And, they have dropped that night time shit all together.
Looks like someone finally picked up a book before talking to the paper; but, they have a little more research to do.
For instance, the statute doesn't require that the neighbor ask you to look out for their property before deadly force can be used.
Also, his lawyer is still stuck on that self defense bullshit, when he needs to be focusing on Protecting the Property of Another.
Praises for the dispatcher.
He did an outstanding job!
When I was out of town my mom's house was
burglarized when she wasn't home. Had she
been home I don't want 2 imagine "The What If"
Come over here with that bullshit I'll bust a cap
in your ass.
I have no sympathy for these demons!
He did an outstanding job!
When I was out of town my mom's house was
burglarized when she wasn't home. Had she
been home I don't want 2 imagine "The What If"
Come over here with that bullshit I'll bust a cap
in your ass.
I have no sympathy for these demons!
he should have stayed in the house...last time i checked you didnt get the death penalty burglary.... so his lawyer needs to come up with a better case than self defence....he said he would kill em no matter what...shits not right...what if they were fucking kids or not guilty of the crime...
dont get me wrong you break in my shit im poppin off...
dont get me wrong you break in my shit im poppin off...
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