911 call of man who killed two burglars at neighbors house

[XXXplosive]

If yall "can do that" why does this man even need an attorney? Dude went out and killed some folks knowing it was against the law. You could hear it in his voice in the tape. His attorney is saying he didnt mean to kill... yet on the tape keeps sayin he bout to kill them.. then the last thing he say before he fires(3 shots mind you.. so at least one of them took a shot while they were on the ground im thinking ) was "Youre dead".

If he doesnt pay for this its a fuckin travesty. Im all for vigilante justice but this aint it. This is just some guy who was looking for an excuse to kill someone.

If you listen to the phone call dude was even SURE he wasnt in danger if he went out(meaning they were not armed). The Operator says "if you go out youll get shot" dude says "Wanna bet?" Pathetic.

He needs an attorney because he made the mistake of calling 911 first and having the whole thing recorded
Me, I wouldn't have even bothered calling the cops
I would have blasted their thieving asses first and then called the cops and explained what happened
If the cops don't believe me and want to arrest me, fine
I fucking hate criminals...they all deserve to die and fucking burn in hell
Would y'all still be defending criminals if it was a black man that shot two white intruders?

 

[Amajorfucup]

He needs an attorney because he made the mistake of calling 911 first and having the whole thing recorded
Me, I wouldn't have even bothered calling the cops
I would have blasted their thieving asses first and then called the cops and explained what happened
If the cops don't believe me and want to arrest me, fine
I fucking hate criminals...they all deserve to die and fucking burn in hellWould y'all still be defending criminals if it was a black man that shot two white intruders?

Well theres a good chance that this old fool will be tried for murder. Thats a crime. You should hate him too. Why are you defending his actions?

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Well theres a good chance that this old fool will be tried for murder. Thats a crime. You should hate him too. Why are you defending his actions?

Peace,

That was exactly my point earlier. If you detest criminals why are you choosing a murderer over a couple of thieves?

 

[XXXplosive]

Well theres a good chance that this old fool will be tried for murder. Thats a crime. You should hate him too. Why are you defending his actions?

No, he will NOT be charged with murder
He might be tried just to put on a show for all you apologists
I can guarantee you that

 

[Leeeeeee]

Peace,

That was exactly my point earlier. If you detest criminals why are you choosing a murderer over a couple of thieves?

Let's just keep our eye on this and see what happens.

The reason he needs an attorney is to apply the facts of situation to the law.

If this was my client, me and co-counsel would first read the law. It would take each of us less than five minutes to learn that one can use deadly force to prevent the thieves from fleeing with property immediately after a burglary. A fact that some here have not understood even after reading it with their own eyes.

Then we would begin lawyering. That is when you look at the particular facts of your clients situation, and determine how you will prove that his situation falls within the category of justified use of force.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Let's just keep our eye on this and see what happens.

The reason he needs an attorney is to apply the facts of situation to the law.

If this was my client, me and co-counsel would first read the law. It would take each of us less than five minutes to learn that one can use deadly force to prevent the thieves from fleeing with property immediately after a burglary. A fact that some here have not understood even after reading it with their own eyes.

Then we would begin lawyering. That is when you look at the particular facts of your clients situation, and determine how you will prove that his situation falls within the category of justified use of force.

Peace,

So do you think it's pretty open and shut?

 

[TRUFICTION]

Let's just keep our eye on this and see what happens.

The reason he needs an attorney is to apply the facts of situation to the law.

If this was my client, me and co-counsel would first read the law. It would take each of us less than five minutes to learn that one can use deadly force to prevent the thieves from fleeing with property immediately after a burglary. A fact that some here have not understood even after reading it with their own eyes.

Then we would begin lawyering. That is when you look at the particular facts of your clients situation, and determine how you will prove that his situation falls within the category of justified use of force.

YEP
LIKE IT OR NOT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
BLACK PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTANDING IT
IS WHY WE ALWAYS HAVE SO MUCH TROUBLE.
THESE CATS SOUND LIKE SOME OF THOSE JAILHOUSE LAWYERS.

"FUCK HOW THE LAW READS
IMMA TELL YOU WHATS REALLY GOING ON"

 

[Leeeeeee]

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

Not open and shut.

The above is the section of the statute that will ultimately come into play and the terms in red are the terms that would have to be fucked with.

The dead guys comitted burglary, so those elements of the justification defense are met; but the issue will be, "Was it reasonable for him to believe that the property could not be protected or recovered by any other means?"

..now it's time for lawyering.

If I am the prosecution, I would argue that it was not reasonable to believe that because he had already called the police and the police were in route and the property would have been recovered.

If I am the defense I would argue that in Houston, citizens know that if you call the police and your house has been burglarized and the thieves have already left with the property, it's a wrap. The cops might not even show up for three or four hours, so if he didn't stop them immediately, there would be no other means to recover the property.

Prosecutor: Maybe true in most circumstances, but in this circumstance, the police were on the way, there was a description of the culprits and he could have gotten a description of the get away vehicle.

Valid arguments on both sides.

Also know this, the District Attorney is white and being challenged by the former Chief of Police, who is Black, and is the most formidable candidate he has ever faced.

Shit gonna be interesting.

 

[Leeeeeee]

YEP
LIKE IT OR NOT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
BLACK PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTANDING IT
IS WHY WE ALWAYS HAVE SO MUCH TROUBLE.
THESE CATS SOUND LIKE SOME OF THOSE JAILHOUSE LAWYERS.

"FUCK HOW THE LAW READS
IMMA TELL YOU WHATS REALLY GOING ON"

CHURCH

 

[Finito]

He needs an attorney because he made the mistake of calling 911 first and having the whole thing recorded
Me, I wouldn't have even bothered calling the cops
I would have blasted their thieving asses first and then called the cops and explained what happened
If the cops don't believe me and want to arrest me, fine
I fucking hate criminals...they all deserve to die and fucking burn in hell
Would y'all still be defending criminals if it was a black man that shot two white intruders?

Im not defending criminals. Them burglers are dead. Fuckem. IM trying to put the last criminal involved in the situation in his place. Youre defending him.

 

[Amajorfucup]

No, he will NOT be charged with murder He might be tried just to put on a show for all you apologists.
I can guarantee you that

Make up your mind. You're all over the place.

btw- Exactly who is it that im being an apologist for?

You're making less sense as we go on.

 

[Amajorfucup]

Im not defending criminals. Them burglers are dead. Fuckem. IM trying to put the last criminal involved in the situation in his place. Youre defending him.

Exactly.

 

[Drayonis]

Peace,

No. Taking an anti-theft stance isn't exactly the same thing as saying thieves should be "shot on site" like you did. Again, arguments like that usually are issued from the mouths of right-wing fanatics.

You're right. Right wingers and "property owners" with family to protect. YES thieves should be killed where they stand. They are vermon. You sound like you've never been robbed.

Have you ever seen your best friend bust his ass at a minimum wage job to just to by Christmas gifts for his wife and family only t come home to his house wrecked and evrything, gone days before Christmas?

Ever had your vehicles stolen? I have. The feeling makes you feel helpless as hell. Yea criminals should die, and burn in hell. I'm not talking about stealing mp3's from the internet...

I'm talking about niccas on your lawn and in your home. dudes like you are strange to me. Always having sympathy for the worst villains in society - until the day comes you and your family are facing those same criminals you pony for.

 

[Amajorfucup]

Ever had your vehicles stolen? I have. The feeling makes you feel helpless as hell. Yea criminals should die, and burn in hell. I'm not talking about stealing mp3's from the internet...

Of course not because that would require you actually face judgement for YOUR criminal behavior and we cant have that now can we? The hypocrisy (large and small) running rampant in this thread is comical.

 

[XXXplosive]

Make up your mind. You're all over the place.

btw- Exactly who is it that im being an apologist for?

You're making less sense as we go on.

Being TRIED and being CHARGED with a crime are two completely different things
You are smart enough to at least know that, right?

 

[XXXplosive]

YEP
LIKE IT OR NOT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
BLACK PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTANDING IT
IS WHY WE ALWAYS HAVE SO MUCH TROUBLE.
THESE CATS SOUND LIKE SOME OF THOSE JAILHOUSE LAWYERS.

"FUCK HOW THE LAW READS
IMMA TELL YOU WHATS REALLY GOING ON"

LOL, that's the truth right there
Niggas wanna argue the law and facts with emotion and what they "think"

 

[Jiggaa]

gawddamn u can hear the shotgun blast 3 times. he just wanted to kill somebody and i guess thats just part of the risk of being a theif.

this old dude just wanted to kill someone. he coulda got their license plate number and they woulda been caught within a few days. This fuckin idiot lmao, if he just waited 10 seconds the cops woulda been there.

 

[lowkeygee]

I will keep watching to see what happens to this fool.

First, what he did is not against the law
It's being investigated but I doubt he'll be charged
This is Texas, remember that...we can do that
Second, he did give them a warning before he shot them
Fuck criminals, I've got no sympathy for em
They should hold a fucking parade for this man

 

[Drayonis]

Of course not because that would require you actually face judgement for YOUR criminal behavior and we cant have that now can we? The hypocrisy (large and small) running rampant in this thread is comical.

You're right. There is little difference...so keep supporting thieves and criminals....

 

[Ill Paragraph]

You're right. Right wingers and "property owners" with family to protect. YES thieves should be killed where they stand. They are vermon. You sound like you've never been robbed.

Have you ever seen your best friend bust his ass at a minimum wage job to just to by Christmas gifts for his wife and family only t come home to his house wrecked and evrything, gone days before Christmas?

Ever had your vehicles stolen? I have. The feeling makes you feel helpless as hell. Yea criminals should die, and burn in hell. I'm not talking about stealing mp3's from the internet...

I'm talking about niccas on your lawn and in your home. dudes like you are strange to me. Always having sympathy for the worst villains in society - until the day comes you and your family are facing those same criminals you pony for.

Peace,

I've lived in NY, Detroit and DC. You think I haven't been robbed before?

You're misunderstanding me. I'm not having "sympathy for the worst villains in society" (we won't even get into the fact that you think thieves are the worst villains in society.) I just recognize the danger in having a vigilante society. I noticed you didn't bother to address the possibility that guntoters might actually misunderstand what's going on or confuse someone's identity and kill and innocent person. But I guess that's acceptable to you because you've been victimized before.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

LOL, that's the truth right there
Niggas wanna argue the law and facts with emotion and what they "think"

This is laughable coming from you. You probably still haven't read the original article.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

YEP
LIKE IT OR NOT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
BLACK PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTANDING IT
IS WHY WE ALWAYS HAVE SO MUCH TROUBLE.
THESE CATS SOUND LIKE SOME OF THOSE JAILHOUSE LAWYERS.

"FUCK HOW THE LAW READS
IMMA TELL YOU WHATS REALLY GOING ON"

Peace,

Again with this? "Black people this and black people that.." So this time black people are going to hell in a hand basket because many of us don't support vigilantism, even if it may be protected under the law? Gotcha.

Also, are you a lawyer or are you just co-signing someone else's point? If you're NOT a lawyer aren't you just attempting to interpret the case just like everyone else? Wouldn't that make you a "jailhouse lawyer" as well?

 

[Drayonis]

Peace,

I've lived in NY, Detroit and DC. You think I haven't been robbed before?

You're misunderstanding me. I'm not having "sympathy for the worst villains in society" (we won't even get into the fact that you think thieves are the worst villains in society.)

No they aren't the worst but I do lump them in with murderers, rapists, usually a person willing to break into someones home is "likely" a combination of all three IMO.


I just recognize the danger in having a vigilante society. I noticed you didn't bother to address the possibility that guntoters might actually misunderstand what's going on or confuse someone's identity and kill and innocent person.

So we should feel bad because you believe it's going to start a rash of shootings across America because "one old man" defended his neighbors property? We don't know the facts in the story. he told them to stop, if they had guns they wouldn't or if they ran towards him anyway (which I believe they did, because like most crooks that terrorize people it's are willingness to do nothing that strengthens them) The old guy just got lucky and shot the "right" people this time...Shit my house might have been next on their list

But I guess that's acceptable to you because you've been victimized before.

So since you've been robbed before, be honest if thieves came into your home, what would you do? Or if they were robbing your neighbors what would you do?

I think the guy has guts because he did something most of us wouldn't do. Trust me very few people I've talked to in Houston, white or black feel sorry for those two men or are concerned about "Vigilantism spreading like flames across the city" as you say.

I just one of the men's wives on TV crying her eyes out holding his baby...Do I feel sorry for them? Yes...did he still deserve it? Yes...

If he was concerned about his family kn the first place, he would have just gotten a job like the rest of us. Trust me if someone was to run up in "his house" robbing he the dead thief wouldn't hesitate to shoot them..

 

[BlackMike313]

I live in Detroit And in Sick of thieving ass Niggas, I put my lawn mower on side of my house and went inside for 2 minutes and my lawn mower was gone. I caught ninjas stripping aluminum siding off of the house next door and they was like my bad. Its getting bad here in the D im about to start killin niggas too. Naw really I dont wqnt to kill nobody over some material shit but Im getting tired of seeing sorry ass dope fiend niggas and whores in my hood. A bitch tried to give me some head the other night for a black and mild. I love black people but I hate Niggas as much as I hate white people.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

I think the guy has guts because he did something most of us wouldn't do. Trust me very few people I've talked to in Houston, white or black feel sorry for those two men or are concerned about "Vigilantism spreading like flames across the city" as you say.

I just one of the men's wives on TV crying her eyes out holding his baby...Do I feel sorry for them? Yes...did he still deserve it? Yes...

If he was concerned about his family kn the first place, he would have just gotten a job like the rest of us. Trust me if someone was to run up in "his house" robbing he the dead thief wouldn't hesitate to shoot them..

Peace,

I don't think you're looking at this from the right perspective. The point isn't that people shouldn't steal, many Houston residents side with the shooter, or most of us dislike criminals. The point is that Texas (at least) has created an environment in which people feel perfectly justified to shoot people who they THINK may be committing a crime with impunity.

You don't think that might lead to problems further down the road? Imagine a scenario in which a cat who happens to resemble your avatar finds himself in a predominately white neighborhood. Imagine that someone sees him and assumes, because he's black, that he's stealing something and guns him down. You don't think that could happen in a state that rewards vigilantism?

 

[Drayonis]

Peace,

I don't think you're looking at this from the right perspective. The point isn't that people shouldn't steal, many Houston residents side with the shooter, or most of us dislike criminals. The point is that Texas (at least) has created an environment in which people feel perfectly justified to shoot people who they THINK may be committing a crime with impunity.

You don't think that might lead to problems further down the road? Imagine a scenario in which a cat who happens to resemble your avatar finds himself in a predominately white neighborhood. Imagine that someone sees him and assumes, because he's black, that he's stealing something and guns him down. You don't think that could happen in a state that rewards vigilantism?

Yes that can happen. (The cat in my avatar is Rasheed and he'd only go into a white neighborhood for pussy/ thedogyears.com)

But on the real...I've been in Houston for 15 years and Texas isn't "gun toting" like you think. It's actual very laid back. NO I DON'T think it will make people shoot black people any "more than they wanted to" before this happened. The same people who are jumpy around black people are going to stay "jumpy". I seriously doubt it will make new vigilantes. You're coming from a point of view that Houston is predominantly white when it's not, It's predominately Hispanic...You don't see horses everywhere and cactus and Rifles all over the place like some who've never visited think.

what you are advocating is that we "fear" whitey, because we he killed some thieves and in Texas we ALL agree that no matter what "color" you are if you're stealing, then Like Stewie Griffin says, "That's what happens man"!

*I agree with many on this post that the guy acted partially because of racism "they were black" and were living up to the "stereotype" many whites believe to be the "true us" when it's not. You are making more out of it than it really is. They were stealing, white man saw black faces, feared the worst, shot them. He's wrong, but they were thieves and were looking for it. End of story.

If anything you should be more mad at those two thieves who chose to steal in the first and further push the hysteria that you are concerned about. Now when a brother comes to check the water meter he might get shot.

The guy lived in Pasadena, that's at the edge of East Houston. His neighborhood, no matter how decent the houses look are is surrounded by Cholo gangs and crime. If you go through Pasadena, certain blocks look like the worst barrio in Mexico. So they really did choose the wrong neighborhood to fuck around in. Next time they should just pick a black neighborhood where we put cookies on the back porch for our criminals and throw them a barbecue when they get out of jail.

 

[Amajorfucup]

I think the guy has guts because he did something most of us wouldn't do. Trust me very few people I've talked to in Houston, white or black feel sorry for those two men or are concerned about "Vigilantism spreading like flames across the city" as you say...
..

Wow, we just differ on so many levels that there might not even be a common ground to meet each other half way. Your assertion that the old guys actions were somehow brave, courageous or that they reguired "guts" is sad and very telling of you.

Personally i think it was just the opposite. Whats so brave about gunning down unarmed fleeing men? He came off as a trigger happy coward who was itching to take advantage of a newly implemented statute and exercise his right to kill (after reading the new law and listening to the tape again, i now understand why he referenced september 1st during the 911 call. he had been waiting for his moment to do exactly what he did. his mind was made up well before he called 911. notice how is ignored reason and demands of the operator. notice how his first words included "you're dead"). This man was a piece of trash and a coward of epic proportion. To hold him high as an example of justice is disgusting.

 

[Big Philly]

I got a feeling Racism Played a Part in this old dudes reactions.

What he did was against the law.

Unless the intruder happens to be in the place of residence and your in that place too, then you have the right to shoot.

But to shoot them on the street without a "warning" and without no weapon pointed towards you is against the law.

Look at what his lawyer says

"Hopefully he will see a doctor and maybe get a sedative, He is not well mentally. This has devastated him. Not in his wildest dreams could he fathom this event."

But you think a 13 Year Old who Rapes a 6 Year Old Has it all "Up there" (His Mind)?

There is nothing worse than a thief. Especially two black thieves who rob white folks and reinforce the racial stereotypes that keeps white people scared of us and keeps things unequal. I wish I was there so that I could shoot them. If they weren't there doing that they wouldn't have been shot. They were wrong and got what they deserved.

 

[Big Philly]

First, what he did is not against the law
It's being investigated but I doubt he'll be charged
This is Texas, remember that...we can do that
Second, he did give them a warning before he shot them
Fuck criminals, I've got no sympathy for em
They should hold a fucking parade for this man

cosign

 

[Big Philly]

How can you say that but then defend barry bonds who broke the law no matter how stupid the law is.And i seen you defending rappers all the time and about 90% of them have criminal records.

Barry Bonds hasn't been caught doing anything yet.

 

[Big Philly]

Peace,

This is ridiculous in the extreme. Did you even read the article? In Texas, you have a right to use deadly force to defend your neighbor's property AT NIGHT. Even in these instances, you can't just go shooting cats with impunity. But I'm sure some predominately white redneck jury will share your affinity for vigilantism and left this cat off.

Oh boy, here we go. Dont go defending these niggas because they're black. They chose to be thieves and thieves steal the things that we work hard to get and if they got shot then it was good for em. This is not a racist issue, this is a stupid ass nigga issue.

 

[Drayonis]

Wow, we just differ on so many levels that there might not even be a common ground to meet each other half way. Your assertion that the old guys actions were somehow brave, courageous or that they reguired "guts" is sad and very telling of you.

And very telling for 95% of the people who responded to the post. When I say he's got guts it's because "most" people would have hesitated when confronted or confronting criminals. They would not shoot and in their hesitation "get shot". I'm not worrying about us finding common ground. I don't even know you cat.

And Yes we do differ. You think criminals should be treated like puppies and I believe they should be treated like the threat they are. You're the kind of cat that would sit in the corner "using your words" while criminals raped your wife. I'm the kind of person that would kill them at the door. Oh well.....

peace though....

 

[TRUFICTION]

Peace,

Again with this? "Black people this and black people that.." So this time black people are going to hell in a hand basket because many of us don't support vigilantism, even if it may be protected under the law? Gotcha.

Also, are you a lawyer or are you just co-signing someone else's point? If you're NOT a lawyer aren't you just attempting to interpret the case just like everyone else? Wouldn't that make you a "jailhouse lawyer" as well?

GIVE IT UP MAN.
YOU JUST LIKE TO ARGUE
PLUS
YOURE THE SAME DUDE THAT WAS HOLLERIN ABOUT
FUCK MARCHIN FOR JUSTICE AND TAKE IT TO THE STREET
REMEMBER ?

ARE YOU IN A DEBATE CLASS AND ON HERE PRACTICING OR SOMETHING ?

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Oh boy, here we go. Dont go defending these niggas because they're black. They chose to be thieves and thieves steal the things that we work hard to get and if they got shot then it was good for em. This is not a racist issue, this is a stupid ass nigga issue.

Peace,

I won't bother regurgitating my arguments. But I will say that people don't deserve the death penalty because they steal some shit.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

GIVE IT UP MAN.
YOU JUST LIKE TO ARGUE
PLUS
YOURE THE SAME DUDE THAT WAS HOLLERIN ABOUT
FUCK MARCHIN FOR JUSTICE AND TAKE IT TO THE STREET
REMEMBER ?

ARE YOU IN A DEBATE CLASS AND ON HERE PRACTICING OR SOMETHING ?

Peace,

You're partially right. I don't mind arguing. I think it's healthy for people - especially black people - to have a robust exchange of ideas. I'm not in a debate class.

Anyway, I was arguing AGAINST marches. I don't think they're effective.