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[largebillsonlyplease]

Yea I wasn't 100% sure who blew that coverage
But right before the ball is snapped Cully is talking to Borland & then pointing to the short route/field, as if to say "you take the short route"
And Borland would be too slow & short to cover Thomas anyway
Borland is 5'11" and runs a 4.8 time
Demaryius Thomas is a 6'3" probowl WR that runs a 4.4 time

I understand the speed lol

but we're talking bout the logistics of it and what makes sense.. borland can drop back from the snap get into that zone and he has help over the top.

culliver can't get to the spot borland can to cover thomas fluidly that's an ass whooping from jump.

culliver can run with the crossing route shallow especially since it's going to be emptied out by borland dropping back into coverage with help from the safety over the top.

but that's why denver designed the match up like that. so a lb theoretically has to drop into zone and cover thomas..

borland just never did lol.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Same with their stacked wr formations forcing the niners to play zone instead of man. AND on those plays, the db's don't know their assignments until after the snap.

if it was brock and ward in the stack coverage, 1 would have the wr who goes outside (brock) and the other would have the one that's going inside (ward) but they wouldn't know until after the snap.

so go back and look at those type of plays too.. that's why it looks like it's easy picking but the plays were actually damn good plays because 1 the db's HAVE to play off to diagnose the route and 2 the denver wr's were deadly with yac last year but hardly got any on the outside if any at all.

the middle was trouble for 2 weeks in a row. and that's a direct result of lack of pressure (justin ian) and lack of communication and blown assignments by borland and whihote.

borland seems stout in run defense.

pass defense doesn't seem so so keen yet.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

To illustrate what Im talking about go back to the pick 6 brock had against houston.

before the snap reid tells brock and rogers i believe their assignments. the wr's aren't stacked but they're playing stacked coverage...

they snap it and schaub thinks that brock has the outside wr, and that rogers has the inside wr.

what the coverage ACTUALLY is, reid has the outside wr, if you look at the play you can see reid flying up for his responsibility and brock has the inside (short outside) man and rogers has that middle.

they snap it, he let's the outside run to reid and jumps the route for an int and td.

our coverages are like that a lot, and most times they have to wait until the wr reveals his route before they can cover.

that's just how our system is. and it's good majority of the time, especially with pressure from the line


it's excellent because it's about as complex as you can play man to man defense. it looks like zone, the qb thinks its zone but it's man to man

and on tape you can't tell what we're going to do at all if you watch the film because we'll line up the same way and have 4 different coverages and they won't know which is which or what is what until after the snap.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Eric Reid

What would you like to see from this defense in the third preseason game that to you might have been missing these first two preseason games?

"From the front seven to the secondary, I think we just need to make more plays. The opportunities are there. I personally should have had an interception tonight with the dig across the middle. I was there and I was a half a second late. I think I definitely should have got that ball. But, think there's just some more plays that we can make."

That was across the middle and it looked like he pulled up and then hopped after the wr made the catch.. i thought he could have gotten that pick and it's great to see him say he should have gotten that pick....

 

[1900KiLLa]

Ok so that's 2 games 2 picks and looking confused and inept both times, How is Blaine still in the NFL, much less on our team?

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Ok so that's 2 games 2 picks and looking confused and inept both times, How is Blaine still in the NFL, much less on our team?

Jim said whoever doesn't turn the ball over will be the backup.

so his place is not cemented.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

1st, the same can be said about talib then right? cause kap almost made the play.. the play didn't happen on either end. so it doesn't count.

2nd on the td pass culliver was NOT responsible for thomas on that route, borland had whatever wr would be in the middle of the field because logically it would be easier for a lb to drop back into coverage than it would be for a db to chase someone into that same area after not being matched up on them from the los.

culliver took his guy, borland tried to cheat up and make a play instead of being in his area in the middle of the field

and dahl is just dahl he stood there and watched.. even if borland blows the coverage he is still the last line of defense there wouldn't have been a scenario where he shouldn't have been running with thomas even if borland didn't bite on the fake.. guarantee you bathea would have went back running with a wr running wide open no matter what.

that's just on dahl being trash and borland not taking care of his assignment. it would be nothing for him to drop back right into the area that was vacated.. he should've done it from the snap, culliver did his responsibility which was taking away the crossing since the lb should be out of that area.


ward is doing ok, he's going through everything right now.. he isn't getting flat out burned he's learning the nuances of playing the slot.. and i would rather have a player get better than a player who would be getting worse (rogers)

the bar is low for ward, rogers gave up an 80% completion rate last year.

Talib almost got burned on that play....


I can't wait for the regular season match up though...

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Talib almost got burned on that play....


I can't wait for the regular season match up though...

Yea me either, I think we're going to hit the ground running though.

 

[CurtDawg]

Yea me either, I think we're going to hit the ground running though.

We play the Cowboys first
If we don't score at will on that shitty defense, then something is seriously wrong
Our defense will give up a bunch of points early in the season, so Kaep will have to win some shootouts

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

We play the Cowboys first
If we don't score at will on that shitty defense, then something is seriously wrong
Our defense will give up a bunch of points early in the season, so Kaep will have to win some shootouts

i don't even think they'll give up a bunch of points early.

at full strength missing a player the unit is top 3 in the league.

they have yet to play a snap together this preseason.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Yea me either, I think we're going to hit the ground running though.

both teams should be at full strength or close to it when we play again.....

 

[AwwSchitt]

You guys have to remember this is only preseason. Our starters aren't playing a lot (if at all). Go back to 2013 preseason. The starters didn't do much of anything. We had a lot of injuries also.

The big difference this season is the play of the backups. Especially at the QB position. Colt McCoy and BJ Daniels look like Montana & Young compared to Gabbert and Johnson.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

You guys have to remember this is only preseason. Our starters aren't playing a lot (if at all). Go back to 2013 preseason. The starters didn't do much of anything. We had a lot of injuries also.

The big difference this season is the play of the backups. Especially at the QB position. Colt McCoy and BJ Daniels look like Montana & Young compared to Gabbert and Johnson.

that's my only cocern
i'd like to see what mccoy could do with how the line is performing this season vs last. if he had all the time gabbert has i think he'd make something happen.

 

[AwwSchitt]

Matt Maiocco just wrote the best 49ers article of the year thus far.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/49ers-will-get-blown-out-every-regular-season-game-if

The 49ers almost certainly will get blown out of any game in the regular season in which. . .

--Colin Kaepernick plays two possessions.
--Frank Gore touches the ball twice.
--Anquan Boldin, Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis combine for one reception.
--No starters on the defensive line suit up.
--Patrick Willis’ on-field contributions are limited entirely to his pregame speech.
--And their best cornerback, Tramaine Brock, does not play, either.

If all those things happen, the 49ers simply will not be able to compete against any team in the NFL.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Matt Maiocco just wrote the best 49ers article of the year thus far.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/49ers-will-get-blown-out-every-regular-season-game-if

Never saw me tripping.

our 2's are going against 1's and holding their own...

our 3's are going against 2's and it's showing a difference

and then the street guys are going against 3's

the depth on this team is incredible and people will see that.

the 2nd team front 7 had a chance to get manning off the field 2 times on 3rd down situations but couldn't close the deal...

the 1st team closes it.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

To illustrate what I've been saying and SEEING with martin

here is what he did play by play with the 1's against the broncos and ware (whom we didn't hear his name called once)

RT Jonathan Martin

Series 1
Play 1 – Single, Pass Protection (PP) against #94 Demarcus Ware (6'4" 258). Very nice technique, hands, body positioning/control, shove off effective and gave him no ground at all arching him out of the pocket completely (never came near it).

Play 2 – Single, Run Block (RB) against #54. Quick snap, fired off the LOS, swim move and blows out the LB at the second level, spins and stands up to fill the hole more and helps open up a 9 yard run by Gore in that hole.

Play 3 – Double, RB down on #94 with VD. #94 had no chance/movement. What I liked about it best was that he one-armed #92 first to help Kilgore (who needed it badly) and then fired out to wash out Ware.

Play 4 – Single, PP on #95 Derek Wolfe (6'5" 285). Quick pass but what I like is that he is very quick in his back stance, punches the rusher and stifles him instantly (good leverage and control). He creates a really nice pocket for CK on that right side and keeps his man out very wide (no pressure at all for CK).

Play 5 – Single, RB and fires off the LOS and he and Looney pancake #97 Malik Jackson (6'5" 293) on his back!

Play 6 – Single, PP on #94. Ware does a nice jump of punching Martin and then quickly stunts inside under Looney's man for a QB pressure. I believe this was Kilgore job to maintain this A-gap.

Play 7 – Single, PP on #55 Lerentee McCray (6'3" 249). Textbook. Even snapped his head back on the punch. Long bomb to Lloyd incomplete.

Series 2
Play 1 – Single, RB washes out #95 out, shoves him on the ground and sits on him.

Play 2 – Single, PP on #94 and holds him effectively after a good punch by Ware but quick pass.

Play 3 – Double, PP on Ware again. First Miller rocks him, then Martin and the at the end of the play, Iupati takes a shot at him. Ware had no chance. LOL

Play 4 – Single, RB blows up #97 at the line and washes him…right into the tackle (Hyde) over on the LG hole. Oops. So Hyde may have taken the wrong hole on this one as Looney pushed his man that way also. Carrier also filled that RG/RT hole. Hyde just wanted to pick up the first down (which he did).

Play 5 – Single, PP and walls-off Ware again.

Play 6 – Single, RB gets stood up initially by #92, then anchors and plows him forward as Alfonso Smith blows over his back for a first down.

Play 7 – Single, RB whiffs on #93 but it's a quick-hitter up inside and didn't affect the play.

Play 8 – Single, PP on #76 and walls him off inside as CK scrambles right outside.

Play 9 – Single, PP on #95. Good arch. I notice that as a pass rusher, you can get inside him with a good punch but Martin seems to anchor well and then wash you away inside to the RG or near the C so the pass rusher would have to go a mile to get to the QB (seems like he does that on purpose).

End of his assessment.

 

[CurtDawg]

Alex Boone has been offered a contract by @49ers that would make him a top 12-paid OG.....
He turned it down!!!

Told y'all he wants to be traded to a team to play Tackle
He's really a Tackle play the guard position
He wants that left tackle money

There's a noticeable drop off between Alex Boone & Looney/Snyder/Martin

 

[AwwSchitt]

Alex Boone has been offered a contract by @49ers that would make him a top 12-paid OG.....
He turned it down!!!

Told y'all he wants to be traded to a team to play Tackle
He's really a Tackle play the guard position
He wants that left tackle money

There's a noticeable drop off between Alex Boone & Looney/Snyder/Martin

We know he wants tackle money. I'm very interested to see how this unfolds. Will his view of things change once he starts missing games checks?

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

To illustrate what I've been saying and SEEING with martin

here is what he did play by play with the 1's against the broncos and ware (whom we didn't hear his name called once)

RT Jonathan Martin

Series 1
Play 1 – Single, Pass Protection (PP) against #94 Demarcus Ware (6'4" 258). Very nice technique, hands, body positioning/control, shove off effective and gave him no ground at all arching him out of the pocket completely (never came near it).

Play 2 – Single, Run Block (RB) against #54. Quick snap, fired off the LOS, swim move and blows out the LB at the second level, spins and stands up to fill the hole more and helps open up a 9 yard run by Gore in that hole.

Play 3 – Double, RB down on #94 with VD. #94 had no chance/movement. What I liked about it best was that he one-armed #92 first to help Kilgore (who needed it badly) and then fired out to wash out Ware.

Play 4 – Single, PP on #95 Derek Wolfe (6'5" 285). Quick pass but what I like is that he is very quick in his back stance, punches the rusher and stifles him instantly (good leverage and control). He creates a really nice pocket for CK on that right side and keeps his man out very wide (no pressure at all for CK).

Play 5 – Single, RB and fires off the LOS and he and Looney pancake #97 Malik Jackson (6'5" 293) on his back!

Play 6 – Single, PP on #94. Ware does a nice jump of punching Martin and then quickly stunts inside under Looney's man for a QB pressure. I believe this was Kilgore job to maintain this A-gap.

Play 7 – Single, PP on #55 Lerentee McCray (6'3" 249). Textbook. Even snapped his head back on the punch. Long bomb to Lloyd incomplete.

Series 2
Play 1 – Single, RB washes out #95 out, shoves him on the ground and sits on him.

Play 2 – Single, PP on #94 and holds him effectively after a good punch by Ware but quick pass.

Play 3 – Double, PP on Ware again. First Miller rocks him, then Martin and the at the end of the play, Iupati takes a shot at him. Ware had no chance. LOL

Play 4 – Single, RB blows up #97 at the line and washes him…right into the tackle (Hyde) over on the LG hole. Oops. So Hyde may have taken the wrong hole on this one as Looney pushed his man that way also. Carrier also filled that RG/RT hole. Hyde just wanted to pick up the first down (which he did).

Play 5 – Single, PP and walls-off Ware again.

Play 6 – Single, RB gets stood up initially by #92, then anchors and plows him forward as Alfonso Smith blows over his back for a first down.

Play 7 – Single, RB whiffs on #93 but it's a quick-hitter up inside and didn't affect the play.

Play 8 – Single, PP on #76 and walls him off inside as CK scrambles right outside.

Play 9 – Single, PP on #95. Good arch. I notice that as a pass rusher, you can get inside him with a good punch but Martin seems to anchor well and then wash you away inside to the RG or near the C so the pass rusher would have to go a mile to get to the QB (seems like he does that on purpose).

End of his assessment.

It looks like Martin is having a good preseason

 

[AwwSchitt]

It looks like Martin is having a good preseason

He was out of football much of last season after what went down in Miami.. So he's still getting his legs back under him. But has a backup (we know he isn't taking Staley or Davis' spot) he'll be fine.

 

[CurtDawg]

To illustrate what I've been saying and SEEING with martin

here is what he did play by play with the 1's against the broncos and ware (whom we didn't hear his name called once)

RT Jonathan Martin

Series 1
Play 1 – Single, Pass Protection (PP) against #94 Demarcus Ware (6'4" 258). Very nice technique, hands, body positioning/control, shove off effective and gave him no ground at all arching him out of the pocket completely (never came near it).

Play 2 – Single, Run Block (RB) against #54. Quick snap, fired off the LOS, swim move and blows out the LB at the second level, spins and stands up to fill the hole more and helps open up a 9 yard run by Gore in that hole.

Play 3 – Double, RB down on #94 with VD. #94 had no chance/movement. What I liked about it best was that he one-armed #92 first to help Kilgore (who needed it badly) and then fired out to wash out Ware.

Play 4 – Single, PP on #95 Derek Wolfe (6'5" 285). Quick pass but what I like is that he is very quick in his back stance, punches the rusher and stifles him instantly (good leverage and control). He creates a really nice pocket for CK on that right side and keeps his man out very wide (no pressure at all for CK).

Play 5 – Single, RB and fires off the LOS and he and Looney pancake #97 Malik Jackson (6'5" 293) on his back!

Play 6 – Single, PP on #94. Ware does a nice jump of punching Martin and then quickly stunts inside under Looney's man for a QB pressure. I believe this was Kilgore job to maintain this A-gap.

Play 7 – Single, PP on #55 Lerentee McCray (6'3" 249). Textbook. Even snapped his head back on the punch. Long bomb to Lloyd incomplete.

Series 2
Play 1 – Single, RB washes out #95 out, shoves him on the ground and sits on him.

Play 2 – Single, PP on #94 and holds him effectively after a good punch by Ware but quick pass.

Play 3 – Double, PP on Ware again. First Miller rocks him, then Martin and the at the end of the play, Iupati takes a shot at him. Ware had no chance. LOL

Play 4 – Single, RB blows up #97 at the line and washes him…right into the tackle (Hyde) over on the LG hole. Oops. So Hyde may have taken the wrong hole on this one as Looney pushed his man that way also. Carrier also filled that RG/RT hole. Hyde just wanted to pick up the first down (which he did).

Play 5 – Single, PP and walls-off Ware again.

Play 6 – Single, RB gets stood up initially by #92, then anchors and plows him forward as Alfonso Smith blows over his back for a first down.

Play 7 – Single, RB whiffs on #93 but it's a quick-hitter up inside and didn't affect the play.

Play 8 – Single, PP on #76 and walls him off inside as CK scrambles right outside.

Play 9 – Single, PP on #95. Good arch. I notice that as a pass rusher, you can get inside him with a good punch but Martin seems to anchor well and then wash you away inside to the RG or near the C so the pass rusher would have to go a mile to get to the QB (seems like he does that on purpose).

End of his assessment.

HEY LARGE BILLS......

COLIN POWELL & FANTASIA WANT TO HAVE A WORD WITH YOU !!!

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

HEY LARGE BILLS......

COLIN POWELL & FANTASIA WANT TO HAVE A WORD WITH YOU !!!

It's all good.

he's been doing good against the 1's is basically what it highlighted.

which is great because when we sign boone and he comes back we have much needed depth on the oline which is what we all want.

we want boone to sign and make the line whole

and we want to have dependable backups on deck in case of injury.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

He was out of football much of last season after what went down in Miami.. So he's still getting his legs back under him. But has a backup (we know he isn't taking Staley or Davis' spot) he'll be fine.

the work against the other team's 1's has sped up his progress imo. invaluable.

 

[RoadRage]

You are much better than me at reading the lune play, the only thing that sticks out to me are glaring miscues or a crushing block. Good to get insite by those who know.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

You are much better than me at reading the lune play, the only thing that sticks out to me are glaring miscues or a crushing block. Good to get insite by those who know.

not perfect but again our 2's are getting real reps against other team's 1's

even in practice they would be getting reps against other 2's


so this experience both good and bad is imperative to their success.

once we suit up in full force we're going to go on a killing spree.

 

[RoadRage]

To be honest, I would love to see the offensive play spread for at least a quarter and a half allowing Keap and the wrs to floor it, just to see who runs the best routs.
After all we know our ground game is solid, why not go all out just to see where we are in the passing department.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

To be honest, I would love to see the offensive play spread for at least a quarter and a half allowing Keap and the wrs to floor it, just to see who runs the best routs.
After all we know our ground game is solid, why not go all out just to see where we are in the passing department.

We will,

it was just revealed that basically Kap's foot was broken pretty much all of last season, so we called it conservative.

PLUS we didn't have wr's. and they never let any of the others get a shot to show what they can do.

Now we DO have wr's and it looks like we'll finally be using ALL of our weapons and not stuck on stupid making our fb a feature player..

let his punk ass block and let everyone else get out there in the field.

 

[AwwSchitt]

To be honest, I would love to see the offensive play spread for at least a quarter and a half allowing Keap and the wrs to floor it, just to see who runs the best routs.
After all we know our ground game is solid, why not go all out just to see where we are in the passing department.

I don't think you'll see it. Once again, it's preseason and we don't like to show our hand.

Last preseason it was the same thing. Kaep not throwing. Then we reach week 1 and he lights it up for 400 yards. You can be that their working on things for Dallas already.

As LBOP said, we have receivers. They are all healthy. We also have McDonald in his 2nd year. So slinging it to the FB won't be a factor anymore.

The bread and butter will still be the run game. But when we open things up (and we truly can now) teams are going to have their hands full.

We nerve go over 11 personnel. However they will consist of Boldin, Crabtree, Johnson, Davis & Gore (who, everyone forgets, lead the team in receiving twice in his career). All those guys in the pattern at once spells disaster for a defense. You can't double team everyone.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I don't think you'll see it. Once again, it's preseason and we don't like to show our hand.

Last preseason it was the same thing. Kaep not throwing. Then we reach week 1 and he lights it up for 400 yards. You can be that their working on things for Dallas already.

As LBOP said, we have receivers. They are all healthy. We also have McDonald in his 2nd year. So slinging it to the FB won't be a factor anymore.

The bread and butter will still be the run game. But when we open things up (and we truly can now) teams are going to have their hands full.

We nerve go over 11 personnel. However they will consist of Boldin, Crabtree, Johnson, Davis & Gore (who, everyone forgets, lead the team in receiving twice in his career). All those guys in the pattern at once spells disaster for a defense. You can't double team everyone.

You have to play zone when we have 11 personnel out there period.

If you play man, kap can turn that into 50 yards

every time.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

For those worried about our depth?

10 Gm's were at our game sunday.. Not scouts.. but actual GM'S from other teams looking at both teams players...including the seahawks gm caught a flight the same day to get there...

 

[RoadRage]

I have a problem with the approach to the way we approach preseason, and this may be a direct reflection of our coach, the problem is that we approach it as some top secret, lets not show our hands bullshit...
As opposed to other teams not interested in tricking teams, but instead putting forth the best team they can field..
For example, the Hawks looks exactly the way they look in the regular season, sure they may be playing 70% of their capacity, are they showing their hands? What about Manning, he did exactly what he always does, during the last game, by now are there any secret to what he does?
The question why are we on some top secret CIA bullshit? Why are we not instead taking advantage of the preseason to do what most other teams are doing, that is creating good habits and fine tuning what makes us great..
I notice since Jim Harbaugh been our coach, we have a lot of injuries especially at the beginning of the season, I wonder if our approach to play extra vanilla has a role to this..
I understand the strategy of developing our 2nd string players, but the question that we must ask is, does it comes at the expense of the conditioning and timing of our starters..

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Told you

all we need is our guys playing

and that defense is going to be the defense it's always been

 

[CurtDawg]

Told you

all we need is our guys playing

and that defense is going to be the defense it's always been

I'm not sure what you are laughing at ???
Like I told ya'll before
Our O-line looks like shit !!!
We need to sign Boone, but looks like he wants to play hardball w/ the coaches

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I'm not sure what you are laughing at ???
Like I told ya'll before
Our O-line looks like shit !!!
We need to sign Boone, but looks like he wants to play hardball w/ the coaches

because i said our defense is fine. and it is.

we're missing half the o line we need them back badly ive never said we didn't we need our starters like every other team needs their starters. we're no different.

 

[CurtDawg]

Just like what RoadRage said
I don't like the way the coaches handle these preseason games either
Harbaugh is trying to be too cute, not showing their hand
This team looks VERY rusty & out of sync
We still have not scored a TD all preseason