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Kyrie Irving to play for first time since NBA Finals

Kyrie Irving will make his season debut Sunday when the Cleveland Cavaliers host the Philadelphia 76ers.

"I'm pretty F'ing excited," Irving said Saturday. "There were a few things I had to clear, but there was no rush on it. ... I've been ready to play, but biomechanically we just wanted to make sure everything was good so I wouldn't put myself at risk."

Cavs coach David Blatt said the team will monitor Irving's minutes, but the point guard is expected to start against the 76ers. Backup point guard Mo Williams is out with a sprained wrist, and Iman Shumpert is questionable with a groin strain.

Shortly before speaking with reporters, Irving sent a tweet referencing his return:




Irving has been out since he fractured his left kneecap during Game 1 of the NBA Finals in June. He had surgery that week, and his return timeline was set at three to four months.

The Cavs, however, made it clear they didn't want to rush him and refused to establish a timeline as the season started. Irving will end up going more than six months between games.

Irving said the long recovery was emotional at times. He recently became a father for the first time.

"The emotions and thoughts, that's the hardest thing," Irving said. "A lot has changed on the basketball court and in my life."

The Cavs, who have the best record in the East at 17-7, are hoping to have their full lineup by the Christmas Day game at Golden State. Philadelphia, Sunday's opponent, has an NBA-worst 1-27 record.
 
Charles Barkley: 1996 Bulls ‘Would Kill’ Today’s Warriors

The Golden State Warriors and their so-called small lineup of death dominate the NBA today, but the defending champions’ sustained excellence has failed to impress a bunch of old-timers.

Charles Barkley continues to insist that this Dubs squad would’ve gotten crushed when the League was perceived to be a lot more physical.

According to Sir Charles, the 25-1 Warriors may threaten the 1995-96 Chicago Bulls’ all-time mark of 72 regular season wins, but they couldn’t compete against Michael Jordan and company.

Per ESPN:

“That Bulls team would kill this little team,” Barkley said of the Warriors. “Come on, man. Who is going to guard Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan? What about Dennis Rodman?”




The Warriors improved to 25-1 on Wednesday night with a rout of the Suns, led by Klay Thompson’s season-best 43 points and Stephen Curry’s 25. Golden State was coming off its first loss, to Milwaukee on Saturday night, after an NBA-record 24-0 start. […] “I still like the (San Antonio) Spurs to win the championshipthis year,” said Barkley, a Naismith Hall of Famer and Turner Sports analyst. “Just because these guys are beating up on inferior competition, don’t overreact now.”



“Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman — let me just start with those three,” Barkley said. “First of all they would love playing the way the Warriors play. It’s a much easier game now. Could you imagine how many points Michael would average if you couldn’t touch him? Dennis would get so many rebounds against that team. They are a very small team.” […] Barkley has previously said Curry and the Warriors were “carrying the NBA” during an otherwise down season for the league.

http://www.slamonline.com/nba/charl...nthem&utm_source=facebook#GVVGw82OhB2TZzpt.97

Warriors fans your team is a bunch of soft underachievers in a weak league. What they are doing aint shit and aint impressive. Daddy Jordans team was better and Steph needs 6 more rings. Now go buy those 72-10 edition retros you lil niglets!!!
 
Man that bulls talk "folkloreish" to many these days.

Fuck I'm a bball head(like to think) but I don't recall seeing Magic & Bird much. I started viewing when Chicago started being The Bulls...
 
Also not saying they ain't or they is...

Just because the style of play is fast and there's many 3's being taken, don't mean a team is soft or weak
 
I hate these era comparisons! Barkley never played in todays game under todays rules so he doesn't understand the differences. He's also loyal to his era. Would the 96 Bulls kill the Warriors under the 96 rules? Absolutely, would be a slaughter because the Warriors are built to win under TODAYS environment... Put the 96 Bulls against the Warriors under TODAYS rules, I think the series may go 6 in the Warriors favor. Take away the Bulls physical advantages based on todays rules, they will not be able to beat the Warriors at THEIR game because IMO, Curry and Jordan would offset each other, Pippen and Green would offset each other, and the xFactor would be Klay and the bench. The Bulls would have no 'answer for Klay because hes a much better offensive player when ON than Kukoc was when he was on, PLUS, Kukoc was 3rd option, Klay is 2nd and sometimes 1a... Bench wise, :itsawrap: in the Warriors favor under TODAYs rules.

NO way to really say which team is better, because in judging their achievements, their is no true comparative factors to accurately gauge against...

The only reason this topic is a discussion, is because overall the people have a hard time seeing this team of 'good' guys who aren't exceptionally athletic with no real drama or bullshit social media fodder be so much more dominant than any team in recent memory! To be honest, even the GREAT Heat teams, weren't THIS much more dominant than the rest of the league even in their prime together, 27 game win streak not withstanding...

Just wish people would get off the bullshit!! This is an amazing TEAM, with amazing chemistry we are watching...
 
"Hey Steph, you need 6 more of these. In my prime we wouldve swept you guys. Not impressed."
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I agree and don't kno if I totally agree or disagree with some of your points...but the last paragraph is 100%


Let's just enjoy the moment, be honored to see this type of preparation and execution from Cheat Code which seen contagious and flowing throughout the team.
 
That bulls game is my point

The bulls have to put in a lot of effort to be good......when they do they can go toe to toe with anybody

But that kind of effort every night cant be maintained...simple to see

If Butler has an off night who is going to get the bulls easy points?
 
curryshotta said:
That bulls game is my point

The bulls have to put in a lot of effort to be good......when they do they can go toe to toe with anybody

But that kind of effort every night cant be maintained...simple to see

If Butler has an off night who is going to get the bulls easy points?
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Only Derrick if he feels like playing. But a team coming off a quadruple OT lose... Who didn't see that performance coming. The season is too long of a grind to be going balls to the wall every game. That's a big reason Fred is the coach and not Thibs. I like Jimmy, but he's talking to Damm much. This makes 5 or 6 times in less than half a season he's been critical of the team/coach. I wouldn't be surprised if people have already started to tune him out. He's a very good player, but far from elite. It's one thing for Lebron, Kobe types to push, but Jimmy??? Bruh, cool that shit out. He's trying too hard to be the leader.
 
Mt. Yukon said:
Only Derrick if he feels like playing. But a team coming off a quadruple OT lose... Who didn't see that performance coming. The season is too long of a grind to be going balls to the wall every game. That's a big reason Fred is the coach and not Thibs. I like Jimmy, but he's talking to Damm much. This makes 5 or 6 times in less than half a season he's been critical of the team/coach. I wouldn't be surprised if people have already started to tune him out. He's a very good player, but far from elite. It's one thing for Lebron, Kobe types to push, but Jimmy??? Bruh, cool that shit out. He's trying too hard to be the leader.
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Dawg that became Jimmy team by default...

Dude came up under thibs. This included tough defense, hard play & maximum effort mostly. Deng damn near die for being overused.

The other part

Pooh Bear stayed hurt so dude looking around like this fucker getting all this money and always on the sideline. Fucked that this my team now. I'm the leader now, I'm say what I feel, whenever I feels like it and don't give damn who don't like it.
Fuck DRose I want to run of now...
 
charles played in a more physical era of basketball plus he bias cause he cant stand jump shooting teams. if the warriors played during the bulls run. it wouldnt be close....rodman be all they heads. all those screens and picks wouldnt be happening ...was too physical back then,you getting fouled hard. now if the bulls played the warriors now i'd say it go 6 games with the bulls winning. just think rodman and phil jackson would be the x factors in the series. feel the bulls would get a better run from the warriors championship team than the one this year. they lost one game but their defense was better last year. i know its early but just basing off what i see.
been nice discussion... i got my favorite team ....okc. but unlike football there are no teams i fuckin hate. i love the game and how its played and the matchups and seeing how players and coaches exploit them.started watching bball with the showtime lakers with majic and kareem against the celtics with bird and the chief.been hooked ever since lol. so i dont really bash any of the teams...the players on the other hand shiiiit lol. the warriors are a great team ,get no hate from me. but anybody can be beat and certain teams have other teams number no matter what. long as its good competive games i'm good tho
 
Mask said:
Dawg that became Jimmy team by default...

Dude came up under thibs. This included tough defense, hard play & maximum effort mostly. Deng damn near die for being overused.

The other part

Pooh Bear stayed hurt so dude looking around like this fucker getting all this money and always on the sideline. Fucked that this my team now. I'm the leader now, I'm say what I feel, whenever I feels like it and don't give damn who don't like it.
Fuck DRose I want to run of now...
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All true. None of that makes Jimmy good enough to constantly be going at dudes like it's the playoffs. This team is only going as far as Derricks knees will take them, regardless of what Jimmy thinks. And I like Jimmy, my second favorite player on the squad. But that type of shit is only tolerable when it's coming from an all-world caliber player. He's far from one.
 
Mt. Yukon said:
Only Derrick if he feels like playing. But a team coming off a quadruple OT lose... Who didn't see that performance coming. The season is too long of a grind to be going balls to the wall every game. That's a big reason Fred is the coach and not Thibs. I like Jimmy, but he's talking to Damm much. This makes 5 or 6 times in less than half a season he's been critical of the team/coach. I wouldn't be surprised if people have already started to tune him out. He's a very good player, but far from elite. It's one thing for Lebron, Kobe types to push, but Jimmy??? Bruh, cool that shit out. He's trying too hard to be the leader.
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i like that jimmy speaking his mind and feels he the leader. can tell he wants to win .you right he gotta see the bigger picture tho and understand the grind. they still only 3 games away from being in first so they in pretty good shape
 
Mask said:
Butler: 'We probably have to be coached a lot harder at times





NEW YORK -- Chicago Bulls All-Star swingman Jimmy Butler had some harsh words for first-year head coach Fred Hoiberg after Saturday night's 107-91 loss to the New York Knicks.

When asked if he believed in the Bulls roster or if a shakeup was in order for players to start getting a message, Butler was blunt in his assessment.

"I believe in the guys in this locker room, yeah," Butler said. "But I also believe that we probably have to be coached a lot harder at times. I'm sorry, I know Fred's a laid-back guy, and I really respect him for that, but when guys aren't doing what they're supposed to do, you got to get on guys, myself included. You got to do what you're supposed to do when you're out there playing basketball."

The Bulls, now 15-10, have struggled in adjusting to Hoiberg's style after five seasons under former coach Tom Thibodeau. Hoiberg has a much calmer demeanor and style than Thibodeau, who ran a tighter ship than most around the league. Thibodeau earned a 255-139 record in five seasons but was fired at the end of the 2014-15 season in part because of a broken relationship with the Bulls' front office and frayed relationships with his players.

Despite all the tension at the end, Bulls players, including Butler, never publicly called out Thibodeau. Now 25 games into his first season, Hoiberg will have to do deal with palpable frustration from within his locker room. Butler acknowledged "it's different" between the two coaches' styles but has repeatedly shown frustration and anger at the way his team has performed throughout the season.

"It's not even about being coached a certain way for five years," Butler said. "It's making everybody do their job. We weren't doing what we were supposed to be doing, what we wrote up on that board before the game, and nobody spoke up about it. I did probably not enough times, but I think that he has to hold everybody accountable. From the No. 1 player all the way down to however many guys we got. You got to hold everybody accountable; everybody has to do their job. You win your matchup, you do your job, we win the game."

Butler said he believes Hoiberg can be the coach who calls players out when needed.

"Yeah, he's got to be," Butler said. "He's got to be on me, too. He's got to be on our leaders to call guys out when they're not doing their job. But I just think from the jump it got out of hand, dug ourselves a hole. When we do that, we normally don't come out of that hole."

At the same time, Butler didn't exactly give a ringing endorsement when asked if there is still time for him and his teammates to listen to the message Hoiberg is giving.

"It's on everybody," Butler said. "But I think when it's coming from him, it's a lot different. It's different when a player is telling another player and a coach is telling a player. I know it's really not in him like that, but, at times, that's what we need."

Butler, who has been open over the past six months about his desire to be more of a vocal leader for the group, feels he has to set a better example, as well.

"It's always frustrating whenever you lose," Butler said. "If we would have won, we wouldn't be saying this, but since we lost the way that we did, I think that had something to do with it. ... No matter if we were a veteran or young team, you still got to do your job. But yeah, we have to lead since we are the vets. We got to lead by example and talk everything out out there. We got another one Monday."

Toward the end of his media session, Butler acknowledged the Bulls are indeed struggling with the adjustment between Thibodeau and Hoiberg.

"Basketball is basketball," Butler said. "Players come play the game, but it's different. I'm not going to say it's not."
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Butler is right! Plus how the fuck Portis not getting any playing time. Every time he gets minutes he puts up numbers. I thought this new coach was going to play everybody, hell they could of kept Thibs.
 
Mt. Yukon said:
All true. None of that makes Jimmy good enough to constantly be going at dudes like it's the playoffs. This team is only going as far as Derricks knees will take them, regardless of what Jimmy thinks. And I like Jimmy, my second favorite player on the squad. But that type of shit is only tolerable when it's coming from an all-world caliber player. He's far from one.
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Rose is finished, its Butler's team now.
 
Mt. Yukon said:
All true. None of that makes Jimmy good enough to constantly be going at dudes like it's the playoffs. This team is only going as far as Derricks knees will take them, regardless of what Jimmy thinks. And I like Jimmy, my second favorite player on the squad. But that type of shit is only tolerable when it's coming from an all-world caliber player. He's far from one.
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I mean here is the thing too...

People obsess over seeding and regular season record...

But here is the real kicker....Any team with championship aspirations will have to win on the road in the playoffs no matter their seeding

Reasonably fresh legs and health is far more important than a game in December....
 
Pworld297 said:
Rose is finished, its Butler's team now.
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Rose is done as an elite player I agree. But if Rose can't score 18-22 a might and put pressure on a defense the Bulls aren't doing shit on the playoffs. Like it or not Rose is the only chance the Bulls have and accomplishing anything. Jimmy is the better overall player, but Rose is still the better offensive player when he decides to turn it on.

I agree with Portis. The preseason told me everything I needed to know about him. Kids a beast and far better than Nico IMO. He needs to be on the floor. I don't care who's minutes you cut, but he's a difference maker.
 
Like my analysis, golden state has a really good and reliable team,, the best. So is Steph curry the best in the nba right now or is his team the best teAm. People held Lebron to Jordan. But they holding golden state to the Bulls and not curry to Jordan as they did lebron. Could curry do this on another team as lebron is trying to do or has almost done many times
 
catwetter said:
i like that jimmy speaking his mind and feels he the leader. can tell he wants to win .you right he gotta see the bigger picture tho and understand the grind. they still only 3 games away from being in first so they in pretty good shape
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I didn't mind the first few times, but now it's getting old. People tune that shit put after awhile, if they haven't already. You don't always need to voice your frustration. Especially when he seemingly does it everytime the Bulls lose a few games.
 
Cheat Code did this in the NCAA, let's say put him on the 76ers...

This fucker would still be amazing, it's just the level he's at...

I said last year dude was in a really good place, didn't know there was another notch.
 
Mask said:
Butler: 'We probably have to be coached a lot harder at times





NEW YORK -- Chicago Bulls All-Star swingman Jimmy Butler had some harsh words for first-year head coach Fred Hoiberg after Saturday night's 107-91 loss to the New York Knicks.

When asked if he believed in the Bulls roster or if a shakeup was in order for players to start getting a message, Butler was blunt in his assessment.

"I believe in the guys in this locker room, yeah," Butler said. "But I also believe that we probably have to be coached a lot harder at times. I'm sorry, I know Fred's a laid-back guy, and I really respect him for that, but when guys aren't doing what they're supposed to do, you got to get on guys, myself included. You got to do what you're supposed to do when you're out there playing basketball."

The Bulls, now 15-10, have struggled in adjusting to Hoiberg's style after five seasons under former coach Tom Thibodeau. Hoiberg has a much calmer demeanor and style than Thibodeau, who ran a tighter ship than most around the league. Thibodeau earned a 255-139 record in five seasons but was fired at the end of the 2014-15 season in part because of a broken relationship with the Bulls' front office and frayed relationships with his players.

Despite all the tension at the end, Bulls players, including Butler, never publicly called out Thibodeau. Now 25 games into his first season, Hoiberg will have to do deal with palpable frustration from within his locker room. Butler acknowledged "it's different" between the two coaches' styles but has repeatedly shown frustration and anger at the way his team has performed throughout the season.

"It's not even about being coached a certain way for five years," Butler said. "It's making everybody do their job. We weren't doing what we were supposed to be doing, what we wrote up on that board before the game, and nobody spoke up about it. I did probably not enough times, but I think that he has to hold everybody accountable. From the No. 1 player all the way down to however many guys we got. You got to hold everybody accountable; everybody has to do their job. You win your matchup, you do your job, we win the game."

Butler said he believes Hoiberg can be the coach who calls players out when needed.

"Yeah, he's got to be," Butler said. "He's got to be on me, too. He's got to be on our leaders to call guys out when they're not doing their job. But I just think from the jump it got out of hand, dug ourselves a hole. When we do that, we normally don't come out of that hole."

At the same time, Butler didn't exactly give a ringing endorsement when asked if there is still time for him and his teammates to listen to the message Hoiberg is giving.

"It's on everybody," Butler said. "But I think when it's coming from him, it's a lot different. It's different when a player is telling another player and a coach is telling a player. I know it's really not in him like that, but, at times, that's what we need."

Butler, who has been open over the past six months about his desire to be more of a vocal leader for the group, feels he has to set a better example, as well.

"It's always frustrating whenever you lose," Butler said. "If we would have won, we wouldn't be saying this, but since we lost the way that we did, I think that had something to do with it. ... No matter if we were a veteran or young team, you still got to do your job. But yeah, we have to lead since we are the vets. We got to lead by example and talk everything out out there. We got another one Monday."

Toward the end of his media session, Butler acknowledged the Bulls are indeed struggling with the adjustment between Thibodeau and Hoiberg.

"Basketball is basketball," Butler said. "Players come play the game, but it's different. I'm not going to say it's not."
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And so it begins...
 
curryshotta said:
That bulls game is my point

The bulls have to put in a lot of effort to be good......when they do they can go toe to toe with anybody

But that kind of effort every night cant be maintained...simple to see

If Butler has an off night who is going to get the bulls easy points?
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This was a rest game.

The Knicks are nobody and we don't have time to be putting in effort for a garbage ass team.

See game 1 of the season vs the Cavs
 
shaddyvillethug said:
This was a rest game.

The Knicks are nobody and we don't have time to be putting in effort for a garbage ass team.

See game 1 of the season vs the Cavs
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See that's the shit that piss us and Jimmy off with the group. Man y'all could have control of the east while the Cavs get their shit together but no pooh play when he wants to.

Not that it matters to the Cavs but a five game lead would look good...
 
Mt. Yukon said:
Rose is done as an elite player I agree. But if Rose can't score 18-22 a might and put pressure on a defense the Bulls aren't doing shit on the playoffs. Like it or not Rose is the only chance the Bulls have and accomplishing anything. Jimmy is the better overall player, but Rose is still the better offensive player when he decides to turn it on.

I agree with Portis. The preseason told me everything I needed to know about him. Kids a beast and far better than Nico IMO. He needs to be on the floor. I don't care who's minutes you cut, but he's a difference maker.
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That's the thing with Rose though, he is not even averaging 18-20 points a game. Maybe it's still the blurred vision but for him to be in single digits in both scoring and assist, that's not gonna cut it. His jumper is broke and his hops are gone. He can't stay healthy so that's another reason you can't rely on him. I don't what has happened to Nico, he has probably lost his confidence or something. Ol crazy eyes should be getting a whole bunch of minutes, he balls out every time he's out there. Then you have Ol ugly ass (Snell) who always fucking up. :smh: I also would like to know when Gar and Pax start getting some of the blame. McDermott was the 11th pick in the draft. :smh:
 
Mt. Yukon said:
All true. None of that makes Jimmy good enough to constantly be going at dudes like it's the playoffs. This team is only going as far as Derricks knees will take them, regardless of what Jimmy thinks. And I like Jimmy, my second favorite player on the squad. But that type of shit is only tolerable when it's coming from an all-world caliber player. He's far from one.
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im glad someone see's this
 
Mask said:
Sport Science - What Kyrie brings to the Cavs
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For people that convinced themselves that the Cavs were just as good or better with out both Love and Irving last finals, well yall really need to start looking at some real hard stats...
 
Mt. Yukon said:
Rose is done as an elite player I agree. But if Rose can't score 18-22 a might and put pressure on a defense the Bulls aren't doing shit on the playoffs. Like it or not Rose is the only chance the Bulls have and accomplishing anything. Jimmy is the better overall player, but Rose is still the better offensive player when he decides to turn it on.

I agree with Portis. The preseason told me everything I needed to know about him. Kids a beast and far better than Nico IMO. He needs to be on the floor. I don't care who's minutes you cut, but he's a difference maker.
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Not only Rose, but also Noah

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