I just finished episode 7. Things are going to get crazy....
Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?
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really? welcome to life that's the best you can do? I wrote more...
nah that's not it at all im sorry but that just doesn't make sense. when everything you do is important and potentially life threatening you have moer to go off of than taking the opportunity cause its there. cause there are always consequences for your actions WELCOME TO LIFENah your view of life and mine are totally different then. I see an opportunity i take it. Always have. Always will. When the opportunity presented itself to her to exact justice for the attempted murder of her child TWICE
She took it. She stood tall and will take the beating and no matter what she did the right thing by taking little dude into custody. She did the wrong thing...By as soon as she got to her sisters place she should've LEFT once she saw she was batshit crazy. That to ME is where she went horribly wrong. Allowing lil man to be under her psycho sis's control.
his whole time in kings landing wasn't winging it until his wife put him in a fucked up situation that he didn't plan for and he had to scramble to stay alive and save his family
consequences of her actions that were unnecessary and reckless.They were entirely neccasary, just not very beneficial. that is not how life goes, you don't just randomly do shit that potentially gets your family killed cause you saw the opportunity to do it that makes no sense. When you're in a situation where you need to make snap judgements you do. For better or for ill. Sometimes it works out. Sometimes it doesn't. Hell in the overall scheme of things all this going down is a GOOD thing. In life good people die for the wrong reasons. Bad people live. It's just life.
no he got stabbed up because she took his brother. if she doesn't kidnap his brother, none of his men die and he doesn't have a limp and a cane right now simple as that. did you forget what the entire confrontation was about? he ran up on him and asked him why he took his brother (he didn't but he had to cover for it since saying my wife did this dumb shit wouldn't fly and wouldn't be "noble") and then proceeded to get into it and many men have died cause of her actions ALREADY again a price she doesn't have to pay.... how many more will die because she just went with it? what if her husband had gotten killed then...then what? her judgment call would be ok too then?
Hell until you get the person who tried to kill your children? A whole lot. You're making a pretty weak argument for Ned and Jaime's fight. They fought because Jaime is an asshole. You want the woman to be all of this but you're not holding Jaime accountable for his actions?
Once again. Her husband didn't tell her not to take any action against the Lannisters or whatever. I'm going to re-watch that episode today when she left King's Landing to see what was said between them about this situation. Ned just isn't SHOWING his rage. It's coming out in different ways. You're blaming every action everyone else takes on the woman and not holding anyone accountable after that. lol Interesting
capturing him was entirely the wrong move ESPECIALLY SINCE WE KNOW HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT WE know. But no one ELSE knew.
why do you keep forgetting this? I'm not forgetting it.he had nothing to do with it and it made even less sense to kidnap him cause he recognized her in the tavern...
ned would have done what he did, investigated plotted found out the truth of who was behind it and what was the motive AND THEN came to it to robert and got it handled. ROBERT TRUSTED NED Has nothing to do with having your son's murderer((kinda)) walk in and place themselves in your hands.
do you see? ned shitted on robert and said fuck being the kings hand because they're trying to kill the girl and her child... any other man would be put to death because of it....ned just gets his place back and told don't let it happen again... ned gets to be protector of the realm from the king himself because he trusted him so... so if ned came to him with the facts robert would have acted accordinglySee above. You're talking in What if's right now. I'm talking in actualities. The actuality is.......Her sons killer as far as she's concerned is standing right there directly in her face. She's taking him to justice. Nothing else you're talking about matters to THAT point L.
instead her making a "judgement call" "welcome to life" sort of action robbed him of the chance to handle things properly. and totally ruined everything that could have been SMH Get in my IM so i can discuss this lil section with you.
stop making excuses for herYou see it as an excuse. I see it from the perspective of, i've been in a similar situation. And i got to witness first hand what happens when someone has wronged you and they are delivered right to your lap. And there's no time to do anything else but Move on that. I've made judgement calls my whole life. Many were good, a few were bad. And yeah.......that's how life is for a LOT of people.
it wasn't right on any level no matter how you try and rationalize it
basically what you're saying in defending her is, people can do whatever they want to do on the fly have it affect their families and loved ones and the others just have to deal with it and fight for their lives...and its ok cause it was their call even though they are in no immediate danger or peril but their actions have put everyone they live in it big time...
No what i'm saying is that people sometimes have to make hard choices and it happens. That's just how life goes. You take the best course of action you can at that moment. And you deal with it for good or ill. I still think it's funny you think everything that occurred after that is in no one else's control but hers.
Just downloaded the book. I know I'm not gonna be in the mood to wait for Season 2. Shit is heating up!
i say she put it all in motion and he covered as best he could for those actions
i don't ever question a woman's dedication to her children
i just feel sometimes they need to let the man handle the things and let him get justice through due process
patience is a virtue lost on so many people. if she had been patient she could have gotten supreme justice for her son that's all i'm saying
ned went about it the right way he had the kings ear it would have been a wrap especially since the king didn't even like his wives family and was still in love with ned's sister
I wasn't referring to the pups but the dead one that they found...in the story that shit was depicted as huge...I can't remember how big they made it look in the 1st ep...but if memory serves me it was just a regular size looking wolf
Even in the book, Jon's direwolf was a runt.
Man y'all not listening to me...before they found the damn litter they saw the slain direwolf that gave birth to them..............................that's what I am talking about
Here's the excerpt from the part of the book I read describing the DEAD DIREWOLF and NOT THE BABIES...DEAD GROWN DIREWOLF
"It (the DEAD GROWN DIREWOLF) was bigger than his (Bran's) pony..."
"It's no freak," Jon said calmly (in response to Greyfoot calling the DEAD GROWN DIREWOLF a freak due to it's size). "That's a direwolf. They grow larger than the other kind."
Also, in the book Snow is depicted as being pretty wise/sure for his age (they all appear to be younger than they are depicted on the tv show) and he is more accepting of his "bastard" label
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A direwolf is an unusually large and intelligent species of wolf. Direwolves are held to be mythical in most of the south of Westeros, although there are rumours of them living in the Wolfswood near Winterfell. The Night's Watch who guard the Wall and the wildlings who live beyond it both claim that direwolves can be found in greater numbers in the Haunted Forest to the north of the Wall.
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Direwolf
I remember them talking about the direwolf that was dead when they found the pups..
They don't. But that's just me wanting a big battle. Realistically, what should happen is that Jon (since he took the oath, he couldn't be king anyway) becomes Lord Commander of the Watch, Danyerys becomes Queen of Westeros with her dragons and the Dothraki, and they combine forces to defeat the invasion of whatever and whomever is coming through/over/under the wall.
Anyone who would also read the fantasy series Wheel of Time would notice that a similar thing is happening in that series as well.
Also, there isn't anything preventing Rhaegar and Lyanna being married, and if Rhaegar "filed the proper paperwork", he could have legitimized Jon, though that would have been a piece of paper and Cersei showed us how much stock they put in pieces of paper.
I thought it was pretty big. Check the video at about 22seconds in. Looks as big as pony to me.
You're absolutely right...couldn't remember how it looked...another reason why I like reading books moreso than watching the show...the picture I paint in my head lasts longer...thanks for the clip
They made all the Stark kids older in the show, something which the book author fully agreed with. It's more believable, in my opinion, given what those kids have to do later on.
Its gonna have 10 episodes this season but Im pretty sure they will have more next year.
They did the same thing for the Walking dead
. They always seem to do the bare minimum of episodes for damn good TV shows........
They did the same thing for the Walking dead
I think the reason why HBO did that is because they didnt expect the great reception from people who never read the books......I didnt even know about it until the day of the first episode when I found this thread...
You are on point with this one, especially when you look at the carnage that occurs and who is left standing in the end.
Excellent point. I have pondered how true they can stay to the books and still maintain viewership. Thus far they've done really well with staying on point but as you said, people get attached to characters and if as soon as they start to like a character that character ends up dead then they will lose interest fast and that will be a shame considering how good the books are and the show appears to be. That said, if they stay true to the book then shit.....strap on your seat belts cause the body count rises like a bitch and trust me, ain't no one safe in this game, no one.
Good discussion. Remember that scene in the beginning of the show with the dead Dire wolf and her pups.....it was symbolic of shit to come. Remember, there was a pup for each of the Stark children and I be damned if winter ain't coming.
Ya I agree...book is great as we know the character's thoughts/motivations gives me a better understanding of the actions they take since we have access to their minds something tv shows can't/don't always provide...one diff that has me a lil upset tho is on Drogo and Dany's wedding nite on tv they made it look like she was practically raped...in the book she was a willing participant and even told him "yes" before he started...he was also far more gentler/loving as a bit of foreplay was involved...I liked how it went off in the book more...I guess that mighta been too cliche for tv tho...who knows...the book and the show go together well tho...I don't mind reading it as I catch up to the show...it even makes me want to go back and watch old episodes to try and pick up on subtle things...I @ the part in the book where Ned is about to meet Cat in the whorehouse...Jon Snow is already that dude...but in the book there is no question that he will go on to become something great...dude is on the ball and very sharp w/ his observations whereas in the show he kind of comes across as a lil unsure even tho we still get the impression that there will be more to him
They did the same thing for the Walking dead
that's just the norm now
10 to get in
if its good then they'll extend it and then you can build from that
if it isnt they only wasted 10 episodes so its ok.
we support it and its getting good reviews so the shows we want to watch will get the episodes they deserve next season
Ya the symbolism that someone mentioned before is made very clear in the book in regards to the markings of each house (direwolf, stag, lion, dragon, etc.)...Arya's pup runs away and Sansa's own was killed...and in the book each pup is VERY much like their owner as far as personality...so these 2 things don't bode well @ all...and thinking of last week's ep and the daughters being told to pack to leave...if they haven't left yet I fear something bad may happen to them...no new ep this week tho...so I'll more than likely catch up to this part in the book...the show is great but I'm amazed @ how gripping the writing is
yup i remember
all of it is keeping at a great pace to me
its not too slow and its not too fast. something to look forward to each week
@ Tyrion getting slapped 3 times
Started reading the books and I would agree on that wedding night comparison. I think TV plays off stereotypes too, the savage coloured ppl vs the civilized Whites of the Seven Kingdoms. I am amazed how much they kept from the book in the show though accept the ages
You already know...
They did the same thing for the Walking dead
This shit has to be incredibly expensive to produce. I dont expect them to do more than about 13 episodes per season.
From what I understand,the show is cheap compare to other shows but I know starting next season their will be CG for the direwolves
Another thing about the book...Jaime Lannister doesn't come across like a total douchebag...granted he threw a 7 y.o. Bran out the window...I get the feeling (in the show as well) that he may not turn out to be as much a villain as the queen...he seems to have his own agenda that may/may not fit in w/ "Lannister pride"...in the show that conversation he had w/ his father...the way he walked off left things unsettled...it's like he does things for his sister/father under the name Lannister but not for himself
Do we get more information about the Children of the Forest in the later books?
I worry about the costs of the show, I remember the HBO show Rome had high ratings and was good but they had to cancel it due to the high cost of doing the show. I hope that doesn't happen here.
I have a potential spoiler question so if your worried don't read the following questions
I have a question for those who have read the books. I haven't read them yet but I am aware of a couple of things that happen in the first book (especially a particular death) and I stil can't imagine the show following the book completely because it sems too risky IMO.
Here are my questions: 1) Do you think they will follow the book completely and 2) as someone who has read the books would it bother you/make the show less entertaining and intriguing if they don't?
