Why Denzel Washington will NEVER be in a Tyler Perry Movie

[bgbtylvr]

Bottom line is: too many blacks do not want to step their game up socially, economically or intellectually. And, to a degree, they control what gets made from music to movies to television. The number of black men or women who HAVEN'T seen a TP movies is very very low. The only black women I know who haven't seen his movies or been to his plays are intellectual black women, and that's about 10 or so career women. I think 90% of black women wallow in self pity, so shit like this appeals to them. And, since black women will never do more than complain about their lives and make excuses, shit like this will always be readily available to them, and lucractive to anyone willing to cater to them. Same goes for those books with shirtless dudes on horses and ghetto drama books. There will never be a shortage of worthless niggaz to eat that shit up.

 

[ClevelandDawg216]

Of course you wont see Denzel in a Tyler Perry movie, but then again you wont see De Niro in a Adam Sasdler movie, so it might be that they are low brow comedies and not necessarily evil to the black community

de niro just did little fockers. just saying.

this is why denzel wouldnt fuck with any of the bullshit tp tries to pass off as cinema.

 

[TheFuser]

de niro just did little fockers. just saying.

this is why denzel wouldnt fuck with any of the bullshit tp tries to pass off as cinema.

Yet he continually chooses to be in Spike Lee movies. Yeah, there's no difference between TP and SL artistically...

 

[vader]

More appropriate title: 'Why Denzel has never and will never own a film studio'

Tyler Perry doesn't have to beg ANYBODY to be in his films. He is doing an amazing job

Haters gonna hate

^^^^^^^^ This

 

[NewyorkRealTalk]

bottom line TP sitcoms are terribly unfunny and his movies just don't entertain me....especially with the cross dressing....put the dress down mofo EVOLVE ALREADY....

Most Blacks no matter what is being sold as long as "you get paid" thats all that matters....drug dealers, pimps etc....

I respect TP's hustle and he gives jobs to other blacks which is cool...but I'm not spending money to support mediocrity...

I feel he should do him but he'll never get a dime outta me.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

I feel he should do him but he'll never get a dime outta me.

Perry's movie came up $10 million short on it's projected. I wonder how they're going to spin this.

 

[Silencer]

@ the article for saying Bamboozled is a "classic"

 

[voodoo2man]

you DO realize that a good number of those people were already established actors include denzel..

You surmise Spike's movie Mo Better Blues had a major impact in denzels career since "(filmed directly after Glory so he was still new in the game)"

When in fact Denzel Washington had already done:

A Soldier's Story

PowerNAACP Image Award for Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Motion Picture

Cry Freedom Nominated—Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor
Nominated—Golden Globe Award for Best Actor – Motion Picture Drama
The Mighty Quinn
For Queen and Country Festival du Film Policier de Cognac Award for Best Actor

Glory Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor
Golden Globe Award for Best Supporting Actor – Motion Picture
NAACP Image Award for Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Motion Picture
Kansas City Film Critics Circle Award for Best Supporting Actor

THEN he did a movie by an up and coming director called Mo Better Blues..spikes 3rd major feature film by the way..

I think you're purposely avoiding the point.
Yes, Denzel had a resume before he started working with Spike Lee, however, it was Lee that made Denzel a romantic lead in Mo Better Blues, and that took him to the next level. Up to that point, he played primarily supporting roles or leads in little seen films like For Queen And Country and The Mighty Quinn. Glory came out in 89 but he didn't actually win the Oscar for that film until 90, well after Mo Better had finished production. So you really can't use that accolade for this particular argument.

Same with Wesley. He had done a few things but Mo Better really boosted his career. No music video has ever broken an actor, even one starring Michael Jackson and directed by Martin Scorcese. Major League was really about it's white leads, and as popular as King of NY became on home video, no one really saw it in theaters. And even if they had, Wesley didn't make much of an impression in that film. King of Ny was all about Fishburne and Walken.

 

[TheFuser]

I think you're purposely avoiding the point.
Yes, Denzel had a resume before he started working with Spike Lee, however, it was Lee that made Denzel a romantic lead in Mo Better Blues, and that took him to the next level. Up to that point, he played primarily supporting roles or leads in little seen films like For Queen And Country and The Mighty Quinn. Glory came out in 89 but he didn't actually win the Oscar for that film until 90, well after Mo Better had finished production. So you really can't use that accolade for this particular argument.

Same with Wesley. He had done a few things but Mo Better really boosted his career. No music video has ever broken an actor, even one starring Michael Jackson and directed by Martin Scorcese. Major League was really about it's white leads, and as popular as King of NY became on home video, no one really saw it in theaters. And even if they had, Wesley didn't make much of an impression in that film. King of Ny was all about Fishburne and Walken.

Yep. Same thing I said with Turturro and the other actors I mentioned. But he'll spin this too. Anything to protect Saint Tyler.

 

[voodoo2man]

^^^^^^^^ This

More appropriate title: 'Why Denzel has never and will never own a film studio'

Tyler Perry doesn't have to beg ANYBODY to be in his films. He is doing an amazing job

Haters gonna hate

Phenomenally besides the point.

Denzel's an actor, not an aspiring mogul. Besides, this whole Tyler Perry studios thing is largely hype. Perry doesn't actually have a studio in the classic sense of the term. Universal, Fox, Paramount are studios. They greenlight AND distribute films. Perry still needs Lionsgate to distribute his films and TBS (I think) to broadcast his shows. Perry has a large production house. He can produce as many films as he likes, but he still needs an ACTUAL studio system to get them to theatres.


No hate... just facts

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

Phenomenally besides the point.

Denzel's an actor, not an aspiring mogul. Besides, this whole Tyler Perry studios thing is largely hype. Perry doesn't actually have a studio in the classic sense of the term. Universal, Fox, Paramount are studios. They greenlight AND distribute films. Perry still needs Lionsgate to distribute his films and TBS (I think) to broadcast his shows. Perry has a large production house. He can produce as many films as he likes, but he still needs an ACTUAL studio system to get them to theatres.


No hate... just facts

Which is why people like me were confused and angry when he inked with Lionsgate.

 

[vader]

Phenomenally besides the point.

Denzel's an actor, not an aspiring mogul. Besides, this whole Tyler Perry studios thing is largely hype. Perry doesn't actually have a studio in the classic sense of the term. Universal, Fox, Paramount are studios. They greenlight AND distribute films. Perry still needs Lionsgate to distribute his films and TBS (I think) to broadcast his shows. Perry has a large production house. He can produce as many films as he likes, but he still needs an ACTUAL studio system to get them to theatres.


No hate... just facts

Tyler has more power than Spike Lee or any other black director, and no matter who distribute his movies he is able to do it. Denzel don't need Tyler and Tyler don't need Denzel, because they both are the best in what they do.....

 

[voodoo2man]

Which is why people like me were confused and angry when he inked with Lionsgate.

I think with Lionsgate it's all about dollars and cents. They don't love Tyler Perry. As soon as he steps outside of this gilded cage he's created for himself, and tries something different that may potentially alienate his sycophants, Lionsgate will drop that dude quick, fast, and in a hurry. Fact of the matter is Perry costs the studio very little in actual production costs. He underpays his crew and casts actors who will primarily work for little more than scale. His movies rarely ever cost much more than 20 mil and guarantee at least that on their opening weekend. Plus, he'll never make anything that's really controversial or provocative, so he's a safe bet.

 

[voodoo2man]

Tyler has more power than Spike Lee or any other black director, and no matter who distribute his movies he is able to do it. Denzel don't need Tyler and Tyler don't need Denzel, because they both are the best in what they do.....

It's hilarious when people make statements about Perry's perceived 'power'. No Black director in Hollywood has any real power. When Perry can get Lionsgate to fund and distribute an unflinching big budget Nat Turner movie, or a Black sci-fi flick like Star Wars, I'll concede your point.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

It's hilarious when people make statements about Perry's perceived 'power'. No Black director in Hollywood has any real power. When Perry can get Lionsgate to fund and distribute an unflinching big budget Nat Turner movie, or a Black sci-fi flick like Star Wars, I'll concede your point.

Rosewood didn't dent the box office, I'm going to presume not many people are going to want to see a film. Like that.

 

[voodoo2man]

Rosewood didn't dent the box office, I'm going to presume not many people are going to want to see a film. Like that.

Rosewood didn't do all that well, but I don't see what a 14 year old John Singleton film has to do with this particular discussion.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

Rosewood didn't do all that well, but I don't see what a 14 year old John Singleton film has to do with this particular discussion.

This is Sharpton vs West, the Black elite vs the lower class. Tyler Perry represents the "lo-brow".

 

[voodoo2man]

This is Sharpton vs West, the Black elite vs the lower class. Tyler Perry represents the "lo-brow".

And that's all good, I guess, but the issue here is where are the other Black voices of cinema. If Perry was one of 15 or 20 consistently working Black directors, no one would give a shit about his chitlin movies. He'd be one voice among many. The problem is that he has an extremely limited vision and is the only one making mainstream, black theatrical films. That's a problem.

 

[TheFuser]

And that's all good, I guess, but the issue here is where are the other Black voices of cinema. If Perry was one of 15 or 20 consistently working Black directors, no one would give a shit about his chitlin movies. He'd be one voice among many. The problem is that he has an extremely limited vision and is the only one making mainstream, black theatrical films. That's a problem.

I got this from a journalist who writes for the Philadelphia Weekly:

"Some one saw Perry at The Oscars and confused him with the kid from The Blind Side.... that's because outside of The Chitlin circuit he's a joke."

 

[8SD8-retired_member]

And that's all good, I guess, but the issue here is where are the other Black voices of cinema. If Perry was one of 15 or 20 consistently working Black directors, no one would give a shit about his chitlin movies. He'd be one voice among many. The problem is that he has an extremely limited vision and is the only one making mainstream, black theatrical films. That's a problem.

The bigger issue is Blacks seem to always think too small.

Tyler didn't.

 

[8SD8-retired_member]

I got this from a journalist who writes for the Philadelphia Weekly:

"Some one saw Perry at The Oscars and confused him with the kid from The Blind Side.... that's because outside of The Chitlin circuit he's a joke."

...and?

A lot of people consider Donald Trump a joke as well, and I'm fairly certain not a single fuck is given. Even if does care, it hasn't stopped him from doing what he does.

Fuck sideline critiques.

 

[Spaun]

This is gettin real outta hand..If spike is so positive..How come the only nude women in any of his films happen to all be minorities black or hispanic..(pimpin out his own women even his sister)The nudity didnt even drive the story line..except for his 1rst movie "She gotta have it" where the graphic sex scenes were part of the plot..All of his other films basically didnt need the graphic sex scenes to drive the plot...he didnt have the white chick in jungle fever all naked but the actress that played wesley snipes wife sure was(black woman).. but nobody talks about that..How many nude scenes have you seen in TP movies...zero..TP is good at making us laugh and for that he gets ridiculed...I just don't get it!!!!so if you gonna talk about him talk about all of it..the good and the bad..And by the way..All of Denzels roles were'nt so positive..Keep it real..He got an oscar for playing a corrupt cop with no morales or code..

 

[yasky777]

Black people are insecure, sensitive and mentally weak because we consistently worry about what white people think. It is like we are programmed into trying to gain the approval of the white man. It is 2011 and you have black people still concerned about their image...which means what do the white man think. See when you don't own shit and always have to work for someone else who calls the shots...you will always have to conform to their morals, values, views and image.

We spend billions on clothing that is geared towards blacks but we don't own shit. Can't get a job with a fro, dreds or a natural look because that is not considered corporate because we don't own the businesses. Black people are programmed to conform and to seek approval of the white man. We are more worried about what the white man will think of us after seeing a TP movie then building our community by keeping the money recycling between each other.

Are you telling me that I should simply support his movies even though I can not relate to 9 out of 10 of the movies scenarios he consistently recreates? I'll pass on that Brother. WEB DuBois was right, The talented 10th have a responsibility and should be upheld to more responsibility.

By the way I also believe in recycling the black dollar but I also expect to receive flack if doing it at the expense of my peoples progress.

TP is a tortured black woman in a black mans body, and Im cool with that. But dont keep feeding our society your consistant fucked up views of black life.... That shit is only real for a percentage of people it may be half, but what about the other half?????? He can do better.

 

[yasky777]

This is gettin real outta hand..If spike is so positive..How come the only nude women in any of his films happen to all be minorities black or hispanic..(pimpin out his own women even his sister)The nudity didnt even drive the story line..except for his 1rst movie "She gotta have it" where the graphic sex scenes were part of the plot..All of his other films basically didnt need the graphic sex scenes to drive the plot...he didnt have the white chick in jungle fever all naked but the actress that played wesley snipes wife sure was(black woman).. but nobody talks about that..How many nude scenes have you seen in TP movies...zero..TP is good at making us laugh and for that he gets ridiculed...I just don't get it!!!!so if you gonna talk about him talk about all of it..the good and the bad..And by the way..All of Denzels roles were'nt so positive..Keep it real..He got an oscar for playing a corrupt cop with no morales or code..

20 years 15 movies and plays of the same old shit, he can fund his own movies and chooses to continue to just make "niggas laugh" or cry with the "woman you dont need a man" message. BULLSHIT

 

[voodoo2man]

The bigger issue is Blacks seem to always think too small.

Tyler didn't.

This is thinking big? Really?

 

[phatkitty]

"Some self proclaimed "intellects" fumble while passing judgments regarding art. They believe that only certain realities should be imitated via art. This unwillingness to realize the scope of realities reeks of ignorance." quote from a friend

People need to piss or get off the pot. You don't like what Tyler is doing, make your own shit.

Folks are funny, yeah Perry makes some corny ass movies but they act like he's been worse for the black community than the crack epedemic. Same ones going in on Tyler love dumb ass Lil Wayne and bullshit Wacka Flocka. They big up chicks who make a living by showing their ass and trying to sleeping with the next hottest rapper or baller to make a comeup. Seriously shit is comical.

 

[8SD8-retired_member]

This is thinking big? Really?

Man, you know what the fuck I meant.

 

[TheFuser]

...and?

A lot of people consider Donald Trump a joke as well, and I'm fairly certain not a single fuck is given. Even if does care, it hasn't stopped him from doing what he does.

Fuck sideline critiques.

how is that even comparable? He may be a "joke" to some, but no one mistakes him for Larry the Cable Guy

 

[TheFuser]

"Some self proclaimed "intellects" fumble while passing judgments regarding art. They believe that only certain realities should be imitated via art. This unwillingness to realize the scope of realities reeks of ignorance." quote from a friend

People need to piss or get off the pot. You don't like what Tyler is doing, make your own shit.

Folks are funny, yeah Perry makes some corny ass movies but they act like he's been worse for the black community than the crack epedemic. Same ones going in on Tyler love dumb ass Lil Wayne and bullshit Wacka Flocka. They big up chicks who make a living by showing their ass and trying to sleeping with the next hottest rapper or baller to make a comeup. Seriously shit is comical.

in your protection of the man, I think you're missing people's arguments. So in your world, if you don't like it, be quiet? Werd? So no one can have an opinion on things unless it's positive?

 

[yasky777]

"Some self proclaimed "intellects" fumble while passing judgments regarding art. They believe that only certain realities should be imitated via art. This unwillingness to realize the scope of realities reeks of ignorance." quote from a friend

People need to piss or get off the pot. You don't like what Tyler is doing, make your own shit.

Folks are funny, yeah Perry makes some corny ass movies but they act like he's been worse for the black community than the crack epedemic. Same ones going in on Tyler love dumb ass Lil Wayne and bullshit Wacka Flocka. They big up chicks who make a living by showing their ass and trying to sleeping with the next hottest rapper or baller to make a comeup. Seriously shit is comical.

Couldnt disagree more, I put Wacka,Lil Wayne & Tyler Perry all in the same category! Bullshit entertainer that can do better but refuses to because they are a slave to the dollar and not the ART!!! FUCK ALL 3 of them!

 

[8SD8-retired_member]

how is that even comparable? He may be a "joke" to some, but no one mistakes him for Larry the Cable Guy

Both are highly successful in their fields, but both are looked down upon as if who they are/what they do don't measure up.

Donald Trump is really hated by the old money crew in NYC. Not just because of his personality, but because of the gaudiness of his creations.

Like so, Tyler Perry's creations are being attacked.

At the same time, love them or hate them, a lot of people disagree with the critics.

 

[voodoo2man]

This is gettin real outta hand..If spike is so positive..How come the only nude women in any of his films happen to all be minorities black or hispanic..(pimpin out his own women even his sister)The nudity didnt even drive the story line..except for his 1rst movie "She gotta have it" where the graphic sex scenes were part of the plot..All of his other films basically didnt need the graphic sex scenes to drive the plot...he didnt have the white chick in jungle fever all naked but the actress that played wesley snipes wife sure was(black woman).. but nobody talks about that..How many nude scenes have you seen in TP movies...zero..TP is good at making us laugh and for that he gets ridiculed...I just don't get it!!!!so if you gonna talk about him talk about all of it..the good and the bad..And by the way..All of Denzels roles were'nt so positive..Keep it real..He got an oscar for playing a corrupt cop with no morales or code..

So wait...
You're on a porn site and yet you have issues with Black/Latina female nudity?

Irony aside, let's actually examine your post for a minute. First off, the argument isn't about positivity or negativity. You want positive, watch old Afternoon Specials. It's about quality. Perry doesn't get ridiculed for making anyone laugh. Perry gets ridiculed for being a hypocrite and a lousy filmmaker. You can't claim to be this positive force in Black Film/TV and come up with characters like Madea or Mr. Brown. There's comedy and there's buffoonery and contrary to Perry thought, the two are not mutually exclusive. Anyone ever ask why is it that a dude celebrated for employing rarely seen Black actors felt the need to play Madea himself? What, there was no elderly Black actresses available? How about the fact that Perry doesn't seem to understand shades of gray. Why are all of his characters portrayed either as saintly or evil, with no in-between?
Can we get off this assumption that Denzel is supposed to be some model of positivity. Where did that idea even come from? He gets accolades for doing WORK in all of his roles, not just the so-called 'positive' ones.

 

[Silencer]

This is gettin real outta hand..If spike is so positive..How come the only nude women in any of his films happen to all be minorities black or hispanic..(pimpin out his own women even his sister)The nudity didnt even drive the story line..except for his 1rst movie "She gotta have it" where the graphic sex scenes were part of the plot..All of his other films basically didnt need the graphic sex scenes to drive the plot...he didnt have the white chick in jungle fever all naked but the actress that played wesley snipes wife sure was(black woman).. but nobody talks about that..How many nude scenes have you seen in TP movies...zero..TP is good at making us laugh and for that he gets ridiculed...I just don't get it!!!!so if you gonna talk about him talk about all of it..the good and the bad..And by the way..All of Denzels roles were'nt so positive..Keep it real..He got an oscar for playing a corrupt cop with no morales or code..

I don't think Spike is "all positive"...no one is. He has some bad movies just like any other director. However, your point about no nude white women is wrong. He Got Game and Miracle at St. Anna.

 

[yasky777]

Why are people assuming that Denzel is "washed up" in this thread, and/or would WANT to do a Tyler Perry film?!?

Denzel has done television, broadway AND movies...to be honest, his most logical next step (if he hasn't already done this) would be producing and/or directing projects he was interested in...

The BIG assumption that everyone HAS to work with Tyler Perry OR Spike Lee is redic. Black cinema doesn't have to be so dichotomous, and neither do its black actors...

The Great Debaters (2007). Character: Melvin B Tolson. He also directed this film.

Antwone Fisher (2002). Character: Doctor Jerome Davenport. He also produced and directed this film.

People kill me, acting like they dont understand what balance is!!! For every Alonzo role Denzel has played he has also been a Doctor,Detective,Soldier,Proud Runaway Slave,Professor. Its called a range of talent, TYLER PERRY HAS NO FUCKIN RANGE OF TALENT AND BEATS THE SAME HORSE DEAD!!!!

 

[TheFuser]

The Great Debaters (2007). Character: Melvin B Tolson. He also directed this film.

Antwone Fisher (2002). Character: Doctor Jerome Davenport. He also produced and directed this film.

People kill me, acting like they dont understand what balance is!!! For every Alonzo role Denzel has played he has also been a Doctor,Detective,Soldier,Proud Runaway Slave,Professor. Its called a range of talent, TYLER PERRY HAS NO FUCKIN RANGE OF TALENT AND BEATS THE SAME HORSE DEAD!!!!

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