whew...at first I was like not The Band anybody but them.
THE WRESTLING THREAD: HHH KEEPS DOING HHH THINGS.....
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whew...at first I was like not The Band anybody but them.
Everything you said is true but when i think of austin to imo his austin 3:16 speech catapulted him to stardom. He had some good to great matches in uswa, wcw, ecw, but all that got pushed to the back when he started feuding with the hart foundation. The NWO had established stars but they became megastars in WCW, if Hall/Nash had left and never started NWO would they be hof's Hall maybe Nash hell no. I think alot of wrestlers dislike the rock for the simple fact that he didn't have to wrestle for 20+ years and he became a legend in 3 years time.
I just have to say that the TNA World title belt is the ugliest fucking World title in wrestling history and I thought that I would never say that after Cena's belt....Why the fuck is Ken Anderson walking around with this fucktard belt?
It looks like Beth Phoenix's tiara
Good then he should leave
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We don't disagree about Austin's breakout year or feud but the guy was seen as a future World champion in WCW, so him being a big star wasn't unexpected. The scale and the manner were but not the stardom itself.
With the nWo, Nash was a legit main event guy, the New World Order made Hall a main event guy and helped his legacy, not Nash's. If Nash had stayed with WWF, we might not be talking about the Undertaker's Mania streak and he definitely would have gotten more title runs. His personality would have fit in perfectly with the Attitude era. Scott Hall, a better worker than Nash, had peaked as IC champ and would have ended up in WCW eventually.
Bill Goldberg was a huge star but it's not unlike other sports where guys come in and have tremendous rookie years or one or two great breakout years but fizzle out.
Rock edges him because of his family name, his run was slightly longer, and he's maintained a higher profile outside wrestling than Bill and that always helps when you're looking at popularity contests like Hall of Fames.
I'm still not saying "Don't put him in", I'm saying make him wait and put in more deserving guys first.
This is the shit that bothers me and I can't help but wonder why Dixie Carter puts up with it. Even if he's "working", he's doing more to turn off fans from the TNA product than attract them. After a tirade like that, does anyone think fans are going to tune into Impact! to watch him, even if he's getting his comeuppance?
ReAction is gone so I don't see what he brings to the table anymore. They can find good producers who used to work for WCW or WWF so it's not like his production skills are irreplaceable. Take the money you're spending on him and put it in the pockets of your real talent.
So basically you could compare Goldberg to Terrell Davis, he won 2 SB rings with the broncos but his detractors say he didn't play long enough to get into the HOF.
Dixie is doing what desperate people do, they put up with anything in hopes of finding something that works.
Gatdamn perfect analogy, d. Davis was an beast but there will always be people saying that about him and the HoF.
I don't get that about Dixie but then again, there aren't too many hucksters on the level of Hulk, Eric, and Russo. And she fired all the people around who could have given her a different perspective like Jim Cornette and Dutch Mantell.
What's even crazier is the angles not booked by Russo or at least not being run by Russo tend to be some of the better ones, like anything with 3D, since Bubba and Devon book their own feuds. He might get or take credit for Jeff Jarrett and the Double J Double M A Challenge and the return of Kurt Angle but this smacks of a Memphis angle.
they need to just scrap it all, appologize to everyone & bring in heyman to redo the whole show...
I will say that if AJ does need surgery that will put him out for at least 6 months, that's not entirely bad. He's been there from the first show and needs the break and the fans need a break from him. Let him go home, recharge his battery and bring him back as a babyface as he belongs.
i'm not totally against this. i miss the days of the old abyss, petey williams, fallen angel, sonjay dutt and monty brown!!! i use to love watching tna, turn the ring back to 6 sides too
I just have to say that the TNA World title belt is the ugliest fucking World title in wrestling history and I thought that I would never say that after Cena's belt....Why the fuck is Ken Anderson walking around with this fucktard belt?
What the fuck? Did Orlando Jordon design that shit?
Looks like the WWE jacked Ed Lover's "C'Mon Son" too. They got JTG doing recaps and he says "Ya Killin' Me Son." That shit looks stupid as fuck because you can hardly understand what the hell he's saying.
Don't forget the Christian Coalition with Christian,AJ,and Tomko which led to a faction with Kurt Angle with them battling over the membership of Tomko and AJ.And of course as usual somehow Tomko got over big and then they wasted it.
Goldberg fucked it up in my opinion when he legitimately hurt Bret Hart, who ironically made it a point to protect the guys he worked with.
so how long will it be till it gets to the point where steiner makes everyone believe he a face,then say,two PPVs later he swerves whomever he sides with and joins Immortal
At least we can understand kofi, hell Ezekiel speaks real proper too.
What's crazy is heyman is really a smart dude. I remember reading how in creative meetings he would use storyboards to connect storylines and the creative team laughed at him, because in the wwe logical flowing storylines are ridiculous
That was one of TNA's biggest mistakes: not pushing Tomko when it was clear he and the fans were ready for him to be a top player.
And The World Elite from last year. It had potential but extremely poor execution. Damn, they've overdone factions. I'm sure there have been more. That's not even including 3 Live Kru and LAX when they still had Konnan and Shelley Martinez with their own announcer (WWE stole that and gave it to Del Rios).
Whoa. He kicked Bret but Bret didn't get his hands up to block it like he was supposed to. Goldberg had been using that kick most of his tenure in WCW and Bret's the only guy who took it full on. Even in his book, he doesn't blame Bill for that part because he says Bill said "Look out for the kick".
And Bret's hands are as dirty as anyone else's. He admits to legitimately cranking back on Jerry Lawler in the sharpshooter to make it hurt because he thought Lawler was being too stiff (btw, I love Hart but he can be a whiny bitch) and Bad News Allen/Brown says Hart gave him a concussion in one of their matches.
so how long will it be till it gets to the point where steiner makes everyone believe he a face,then say,two PPVs later he swerves whomever he sides with and joins Immortal
You see it too.
And, as usual with WWE, Black men that speak well never get the mic but JTG, who may be able to speak well but is always in character, gets TOO much mic time.
What's crazy is heyman is really a smart dude. I remember reading how in creative meetings he would use storyboards to connect storylines and the creative team laughed at him, because in the wwe logical flowing storylines are ridiculous
Both big companies could use someone like that. If not Heyman, Bubba Ray, Tommy Dreamer, and Ric Flair have all been successful bookers.
Nah fam, Tommy Dreamer SUCKS as a booker.
Tommy has as good a record booking as anyone else TNA has. And it's not like he would be sole booker. TNA, for some reason, feels they need a committee for two hours of programming a week so he would have other people to help him out, I would just put him (or Bubba or Flair) in charge.
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Coming completely out of left field
I would love a tag team of Zach Ryder and Robbie E. I just would.
I would love a tag team of Zach Ryder and Robbie E. I just would.
I just have to say that the TNA World title belt is the ugliest fucking World title in wrestling history and I thought that I would never say that after Cena's belt....Why the fuck is Ken Anderson walking around with this fucktard belt?
Mr. Kennedy's first promo after winning the title should have been he dumping that piece of shit in a trash can and reintroducing the real TNA world title.
In fact, that fact that he is still using that belt doesn't go well for him keeping the title for a long run.
On other note, can I assume that the new "they" will turn out to be Main Event Mafia.
I just have to say that the TNA World title belt is the ugliest fucking World title in wrestling history and I thought that I would never say that after Cena's belt....Why the fuck is Ken Anderson walking around with this fucktard belt?
Looks like it belongs in Mexican wrestling
Mr. Kennedy's first promo after winning the title should have been he dumping that piece of shit in a trash can and reintroducing the real TNA world title.
In fact, that fact that he is still using that belt doesn't go well for him keeping the title for a long run.
On other note, can I assume that the new "they" will turn out to be Main Event Mafia.
Right, I thought the same thing, but you never know especially with Hardy's court cases coming up.
MEM = More rehash by Bishoff and crew
They need to learn to do something new. On a side note Why the hell didn't TNA pick up the Natural Born Thrillers???
WWE dropped the ball with Sean Ohaire
As a pro wrestling fan WCW was a year too late with the Natural Born Thrillers. I stopped watching WCW when Kronik debuted but I was able to catch the last Nitro. I'm still sad that WCW is gone for almost a decade in March. TNA can improve itself but need a "B" show and possibly "C" show to showcase talent with jobber matches. Gunner and Murphy (bka Phil Shatter and Mikel Judas) are nice on the indy scene but seen as flunkies to Jarrett. TNA the ball is in your court WWE is kinda down like Cena says the time is now!
They're the same character.Robbie E. is just supposed to be italian.
Mr. Kennedy's first promo after winning the title should have been he dumping that piece of shit in a trash can and reintroducing the real TNA world title.
In fact, that fact that he is still using that belt doesn't go well for him keeping the title for a long run.
On other note, can I assume that the new "they" will turn out to be Main Event Mafia.
Unfortunately they have the dumb storyline where Eric Young is in possession of the TNA belt after finding it in the trash
On a side note Why the hell didn't TNA pick up the Natural Born Thrillers???
WWE dropped the ball with Sean Ohaire
The WWE picked up all of them when WCW went under but either under utilized guys(O'Haire particularly with that creepy gimmick where he was convincing people to do things) or got rid of them before they got a real shot(Sanders,Reno).I read somewhere that Heyman took a disliking to Mike Sanders which hindered him and I believe that he appeared in TNA when they were doing the weekly PPVs and Johnny the Bull was Rellik in TNA.
Though I think Sanders would be at worst a good announcer.At least better than Grisham. I think that Steve Corino would to.Apparently he auditioned years back.
Mutha fuckin New Japan
That't where Bitchoff got the idea for the nWo in the first place (not that I needed to say that 
)Mutha fuckin New Japan
Yeah he took their idea but whenever they were on nitro they had to come out to that terrible NWO B-Team music
Right, I thought the same thing, but you never know especially with Hardy's court cases coming up.
MEM = More rehash by Bishoff and crew
On a side note Why the hell didn't TNA pick up the Natural Born Thrillers???
WWE dropped the ball with Sean Ohaire
Yep. WWE apparently ruined it for some of them and they left the business. Mike Sanders must have burned bridges with a lot of people. He was only a okay wrestler but he was a good talker and could have been used somewhere.
As of now, Mark Jindrak is in Mexico and will probably be with on Lucha Libre USA when it comes back on MTV2. Rellik's on there as well. That's it.
They have a B show, Implosion (something like that) but it has very limited syndication and they really need to work on that.
I've seen Shatter and Judas live several times and you're right, TNA is under-utilizing them horribly. They've been slowly working them in (see they now stand in the ring with Immortal and were not jobbed out to the tag champs, the MCMGs in they're one match) but they'll need to be taken off tv and repackaged and made a tag team. They can feud with the Dudleys when they get back together.
I know, it just seems like a natural tag team with both guys have good wrestling talent with way over the top gimmicks. Fist pumps, hair gel, spray on tans, they'd be good for a comedy segment like the FBI used to be in ECW when Tommy Rich and Tracey Smothers were members.
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Kinda surprised no one has posyed anything about Barrets group on Smackdown. Looks like WWE didn't entirely screw up the story between Puck & Barrett, I hope they have some type of feud between the two groups ( i'll perfer to see the two groups agints each other rather than having a Taker vs Barrett an Mania ). I'm glad Ezekiel Jackson is back as a heel, I always hate seeing faces that are muscle like super heroes getting beat down grounded in a match.
The problem is that the WWE doesn't seem to like putting heels against one another.That's why everyone knew that Orton was going to win the steel cage #1 contenders match because the other 2 opponents were both heels.So I doubt that they let the 2 fight unless everything else doesn't work out(i.e. Taker doesn't get healthy in time,Cena gets hurt & is out). Besides if they fight than somebody is gonna have to job and therefore won't be built up which means that somebody will have to suffer at the hands of Otunga for instance.And personally I'd rather see these guys get a push.
Yeah he took their idea but whenever they were on nitro they had to come out to that terrible NWO B-Team music
Me and my boy was talking about this the other day
"Above Average" Mike Sanders was gold on the mic, that's all he really needs to do is be the mouth piece. Man fuck Vince McMahon greedy ass for fucking up wrestling with the WCW Purchase.
Fuck Bishoff for not learning from his past mistakes. TNA needs to use the X-Division the way WCW used the Luchadores, beef up the division with quality guys, and kick off Impact and the PPV's with them. Make the X-Division title mean something again. Since the TV tittle is basically the TNA version of the US tittle, make the holder the number 1 contender to the World Title. Once again, you increase the value of the title, and you have a more important mid card group. Stop fucking up the Knockouts division by letting talent go. They don't want them to be "Divas" then stop letting your workers leave, you have singles and tag team tittles, how you gonna pull that off with 5-6 women
TNA can be fixed, they just have to want to do it.Me and my boy was talking about this the other day
shit sound like some background music from a sasha grey film
