All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 100%.

[nyeleman]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

Peace,

This is true but it still doesn't support Christianity.

I am not trying to support christianity I am just pointing out the hypocrisy exhibited by athiests of being wiser/smarter/holier than thou when dealing with christians.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

Nigga, you are the one that brought up the point that killing regimes were non Christians. Nobody else was on that shit but you, I brought examples, and now you shoot em down.

Peace,

He brought it up because he couldn't muster any other decent argument. It's true that non-Christian leaders have been responsible for more deaths than Christian leaders; that's indisputable. It still doesn't support Christianity, and he knows that.

 

[nyeleman]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

Nigga, you are the one that brought up the point that killing regimes were non Christians. Nobody else was on that shit but you, I brought examples, and now you shoot em down.

But if you are going to bring up killing regimes while do you selectively ignore atheist ones and then go on a tirade that christians are killers ? I brought it up because the atheist brigade uses the same lousy argument of 'look these christians are killers but we are not because we are rational'. If you are guilty collectively via a philosphy of the same thing christians are doing . Who are you to claim to be above christians?

 

[nyeleman]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

Peace,

He brought it up because he couldn't muster any other decent argument. It's true that non-Christian leaders have been responsible for more deaths than Christian leaders; that's indisputable. It still doesn't support Christianity, and he knows that.

I never said it did, I just took a mirror put it in front of the atheists.

 

[BGLR1212000]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

Peace,

He brought it up because he couldn't muster any other decent argument. It's true that non-Christian leaders have been responsible for more deaths than Christian leaders; that's indisputable. It still doesn't support Christianity, and he knows that.

I actually think that it is disputable that Christian leaders were responsible for at least just as many deaths if not more than any other group.

 

[BGLR1212000]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

But if you are going to bring up killing regimes while do you selectively ignore atheist ones and then go on a tirade that christians are killers ? I brought it up because the atheist brigade uses the same lousy argument of 'look these christians are killers but we are not because we are rational'. If you are guilty collectively via a philosphy of the same thing christians are doing . Who are you to claim to be above christians?

All I did was counter your claim. That is how you debate.

 

[brown_joelewis]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity; when many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." - Robert Pirsig (194​

I hate this shit right here. Quoting people as if they speak the gospel. Who the hell is Robert Pirsig? I tell who is. He a mortal who is one day gonna die and thats all he is.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

I am not trying to support christianity I am just pointing out the hypocrisy exhibited by athiests of being wiser/smarter/holier than thou when dealing with christians.

Peace,

Christians always try to self-victimize. Most non-theists aren't trying to convince Christians to abandon their beliefs. I'd argue that it's the other way around. You all are "called" to proselytize, aren't you? In most instances, that consists of "spreading the gospel" to heathens. Historically, atheists became vocal as a response to that.

 

[UdntNoMe]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

Very interesting reasoning to say the least.

 

[divine]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

In 'American Colonies: The settling of North America' it is estimated that at least 50 million (some argue 100 million) Natives were killed by Christian settlers. That number is not including the number of slaves killed, which was way more.

I just added up all the murders, people that died from stalin deliberate famines, gulag deaths

15 million people died in the famines and grain confiscation collectively plus the number of people Killed by the secret police plus the number of soldiers civilians killed in WWII. 40 million is a generous humble number because it's way above that

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

I actually think that it is disputable that Christian leaders were responsible for at least just as many deaths if not more than any other group.

Peace,

I'm not sure why people believe this. It's not even close. Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot = tens of millions of deaths. Christian-related killings don't get anywhere NEAR those numbers.

 

[nyeleman]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

All I did was counter your claim. That is how you debate.

You call that a debate

Here let me give you my perspective

Let me change the lettering of your response to an atheist one

Weren't the Communist regime in USSR Athiests? USSA was the most Athiest nation in the planet before the Genocide. Over 95% of the nation was ATHIEST. They slayed over 40 million of their own. You have HOLOMODOR FAMINE and The GULAGS, which were both all about ATHEIST COMMUNISM. It is well known the CHINESE and supported the red army in RUSSIA . STALIN MENTIONED COMMUNISMQUOTE]


Like i said all I did was put a mirror in front of athiests

 

[GeeZnu]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

 

[brown_joelewis]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

Peace,

There are a few.

I remember running into a Christian cat who was honest with himself. He admitted that he chose faith because he wanted to believe. He said he'd rather live in a world in which there was a Great Equalizer who made things right, at the end, when it was all said and done. He told me that he knew that the Jesus narrative didn't make much sense, but it comforted him and many others, so he chose to accept it. My man never proselytized either. He just quietly believed what he believed.

If there were more Christians like that, we'd all be better off.

I too believe cause I want to believe. Why not? My mother is 82. Her life at times was a living hell. She was the so called black sheep of her family. She was abused by her first husband. Worked 25 years at a job that did not offer retirement. While she work at her main job, she work several others to make ends meet. Five years ago she had a massive heart attack and survived about a 5 hour heart surgery. But today she is happier and healthier than she has ever been. I tell you, there is a God. Yes, I want to believe cause I want to see my moms in heaven. I want to see my pops who died in 2002 from lung cancer. I want to see my great great grandfather who was born a slave in 1831 but was later able to buy over a 100 acres of land only to have a loan shark still it from him.

Yes I want to believe. You keep your arguments about there is no God. Ive had too many spiritual moments in my life that I could not explain away then I still can't explain them away now.

 

[nyeleman]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

All I did was counter your claim. That is how you debate.

You call that a debate

Here let me give you my perspective

Let me change the lettering of your response to an atheist one

Weren't the Communist regime in USSR Athiests? USSA was the most Athiest nation in the planet before the Genocide. Over 95% of the nation was ATHIEST. They slayed over 40 million of their own. You have HOLOMODOR FAMINE and The GULAGS, which were both all about ATHEIST COMMUNISM. It is well known the CHINESE and supported the red army in RUSSIA . STALIN MENTIONED COMMUNISM

Like i said all I did was put a mirror in front of athiests

 

[GeeZnu]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

come on yall its easy to figure out

 

[nyeleman]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

In 'American Colonies: The settling of North America' is is estimated that at least 50 million Natives were killed by Christian settlers. That number i snot including the number of slaves kill, which was way more.

Source*

That sounds like a statement created by someone's vivid imagination. From a bunch of people that claim to be rational I expect better than fabrications of peoples imagination

 

[BGLR1212000]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

Peace,

I'm not sure why people believe this. It's not even close. Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot = tens of millions of deaths. Christian-related killings don't get anywhere NEAR those numbers.

There are many Christian denominations and churches: Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist, Baptist, Lutheran, and so on. The Kings and Queens of the Baltic peninsula, England, etc ordered the native people of these lands(Americas)to be killed if they put up a fight. Guess what happened. Every President we have had has either been Christian or Catholic. The United States of America has killed more people on this planet than any other nation. What is the common thread. Christian leaders. And don't get it twisted, I'm not trying to say that Christian leaders are the only ones killing.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

In 'American Colonies: The settling of North America' is is estimated that at least 50 million Natives were killed by Christian settlers. That number i snot including the number of slaves kill, which was way more.

Peace,

I apologize. You cats are referencing colonization and slavery deaths. In that case, I've read that the number of indigenous peoples slain by Europeans is closer to 60 million. Africans murdered by Europeans by the trans-Atlantic slave trade alone were over two million. I suppose these people did self-identify as Christian.

 

[nyeleman]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

In 'American Colonies: The settling of North America' is is estimated that at least 50 million Natives were killed by Christian settlers. That number i snot including the number of slaves kill, which was way more.

Source*

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

There are many Christian denominations and churches: Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist, Baptist, Lutheran, and so on. The Kings and Queens of the Baltic peninsula, England, etc ordered the native people of these lands(Americas)to be killed if they put up a fight. Guess what happened. Every President we have had has either been Christian or Catholic. The United States of America has killed more people on this planet than any other nation. What is the common thread. Christian leaders.

Peace,

Yeah, my fault. You're right. I was thinking about it too narrowly. As Divine stated, if you account for the extermination of indigenous Americans and the countless slavery-related deaths of Africans, you've got a number that can't be dwarfed.

 

[divine]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

In 'American Colonies: The settling of North America' it is estimated that at least 50 million (some argue 100 million) Natives were killed by Christian settlers. That number is not including the number of slaves killed, which was way more.

Source*

That sounds like a statement created by someone's vivid imagination. From a bunch of people that claim to be rational I expect better than fabrications of peoples imagination

I stated the source.. you have yet to give a source.

'American Colonies: The settling of North America' by pulitzer prize winner Alan Taylor

 

[hsm2448]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

 

[nyeleman]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

I stated the source.. you have yet to give a source.

'American Colonies: The settling of North America' by pulitzer prize winner Alan Taylor

A book? not recorded statistics or recorded grave sites or counted skeletons or even witness account but a book. A book is just a mere opinion printed on paper I need proper sources as in PRIMARY SOURCES . if you could be so kind to look at the books bibliography and references and tell me where the author researched to come up with this figure.


My sources are clear The NKVD files , they are reliable because they have the skeletons and graves, plus check any reputable encylopedia britannica or whichever what am saying is easily verifiable

 

[divine]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

Yep a book. What is your source? You have given 3 different numbers.. is is 20 mil, 40 mil or 70 mil?? What does your source say?

A book? not recorded statistics or recorded grave sites or counted skeletons or even witness account but a book. A book is just a mere opinion printed on paper I need proper sources as in PRIMARY SOURCES . if you could be so kind to look at the books bibliography and references and tell me where the author researched to come up with this figure.


My sources are clear The NKVD files , they are reliable because they have the skeletons and graves, plus check any reputable encylopedia britannica or whichever what am saying is easily verifiable

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

A book? not recorded statistics or recorded grave sites or counted skeletons or even witness account but a book. A book is just a mere opinion printed on paper I need proper sources as in PRIMARY SOURCES . if you could be so kind to look at the books bibliography and references and tell me where the author researched to come up with this figure.


My sources are clear The NKVD files , they are reliable because they have the skeletons and graves, plus check any reputable encylopedia britannica or whichever what am saying is easily verifiable

At this juncture, you've essentially admitted that you're not serious in an actual debate. If you're unwilling to acknowledge that tens of millions of indigenous Americans were slaughtered by European "Christians," then you've aligned yourself with slavery and holocaust deniers.

 

[mk23666]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

Peace,

There are a few.

I remember running into a Christian cat who was honest with himself. He admitted that he chose faith because he wanted to believe. He said he'd rather live in a world in which there was a Great Equalizer who made things right, at the end, when it was all said and done. He told me that he knew that the Jesus narrative didn't make much sense, but it comforted him and many others, so he chose to accept it. My man never proselytized either. He just quietly believed what he believed.

If there were more Christians like that, we'd all be better off.

This!​

Life time co-signage!

 

[exiledking]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

And to the dude who said "I'm pretending" to know something that I don't? Unless you are me brother, you have no idea what "I" know. Listen to your Iyd and respect ya Ego man.

1

I simply said that you couldn't guarantee what you said you could. You have no way of knowing such things. I wouldn't proclaim to know anything beyond, "it depends".

How am I the one with the ego when you're the one saying you KNOW how another man will react under certain situations? It's speculation, leave it at that.


Pretending to know something you don't is the most egotistical thing if ya ask me.

 

[nyeleman]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

Yep a book. What is your source? You have given 3 different numbers.. is is 20 mil, 40 mil or 70 mil?? What does your source say?

My latin teacher always told me never to accept books as fact because they are nothing but peoples opinions on paper.

heres why

This first chapter begins with the controversial subject of where Native Americans came from. Prior to explaining the Bering Strait theory, Taylor writes a disclaimer stating that what he writes in regards to where Natives originated from is purely speculation and the theory changes daily. Taylor never states his view on the theory, which is good

Read more at Suite101: American Colonies Book Review: History of the United States http://www.suite101.com/content/american-colonies-book-review-a45960#ixzz0xLUhQXui

http://www.suite101.com/content/american-colonies-book-review-a45960



40 million and over figure comes from = people that died in the famines(15 million)+ WWII deaths over 20-25 million+ secret police executions and Gulags and the rest to stalin's other mistakes. You can visit any source of information to verify for example I just checked the Holomodor famine and on wikipedia it says 2.5 million to 10 million people died. Thats one of many massacres engineered by stalin

 

[nyeleman]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

At this juncture, you've essentially admitted that you're not serious in an actual debate. If you're unwilling to acknowledge that tens of millions of indigenous Americans were slaughtered by European "Christians," then you've aligned yourself with slavery and holocaust deniers.

see above post

The figures are like I said a fabrication of Alan taylors imagination. Good on you for debating imaginated figures and real facts

 

[divine]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

A book? not recorded statistics or recorded grave sites or counted skeletons or even witness account but a book. A book is just a mere opinion printed on paper I need proper sources as in PRIMARY SOURCES . if you could be so kind to look at the books bibliography and references and tell me where the author researched to come up with this figure.


My sources are clear The NKVD files , they are reliable because they have the skeletons and graves, plus check any reputable encylopedia britannica or whichever what am saying is easily verifiable

At this juncture, you've essentially admitted that you're not serious in an actual debate. If you're unwilling to acknowledge that tens of millions of indigenous Americans were slaughtered by European "Christians," then you've aligned yourself with slavery and holocaust deniers.

Yea, I realize he's just saying shit just to be saying it.. like a lot of christians, they simply refuse to admit or acknowledge the evil shit done by other Christians.

 

[GeeZnu]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

I too believe cause I want to believe. Why not? My mother is 82. Her life at times was a living hell. She was the so called black sheep of her family. She was abused by her first husband. Worked 25 years at a job that did not offer retirement. While she work at her main job, she work several others to make ends meet. Five years ago she had a massive heart attack and survived about a 5 hour heart surgery. But today she is happier and healthier than she has ever been. I tell you, there is a God. Yes, I want to believe cause I want to see my moms in heaven. I want to see my pops who died in 2002 from lung cancer. I want to see my great great grandfather who was born a slave in 1831 but was later able to buy over a 100 acres of land only to have a loan shark still it from him.

Yes I want to believe. You keep your arguments about there is no God. Ive had too many spiritual moments in my life that I could not explain away then I still can't explain them away now.

thats called perseverance, what about people that couldnt go on and killed themselves and there families is that Satan ?

 

[divine]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

see above post

The figures are like I said a fabrication of Alan taylors imagination. Good on you for debating imaginated figures and real facts

So how many native Americans would you say were wiped out and what would you base that number on??

 

[nyeleman]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

Yea, I realize he's just saying shit just to be saying it.. like a lot of christians, they simply refuse to admit or acknowledge the evil shit done by other Christians.

I am not christian for one , secondly I just debunked your fabricated 50 million figure from Alan taylor. Funny how hypocritical you are where you are unable to refute evil shit atheists have done to the point where you are actually fabricating numbers. This is why I laugh when you claim to be rational and yet cannot even produce verifiable numbers

 

[divine]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

I am not christian for one , secondly I just debunked your fabricated 50 million figure from Alan taylor. Funny how hypocritical you are where you are unable to refute evil shit atheists have done to the point where you are actually fabricating numbers. This is why I laugh when you claim to be rational and yet cannot even produce verifiable numbers

In your feeble mind you really think you debunked something? Seriously? Did you post any link/source that says the number is false?