All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 100%.

[Ill Paragraph]

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A mythical one the "breathes" fire in the water. You christians are delusional.

First you say Stalin ( an atheists) killed more than Christians.. then you admit you don;t know how many died because of christians invading America or the slave trade. So you just made up that theory. Now you're speaking about mythical creatures.

This is the shit he believes (from Job):

15 Look at the behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.

16 What strength he has in his loins,
what power in the muscles of his belly!

17 His tail sways like a cedar;
the sinews of his thighs are close-knit.

18 His bones are tubes of bronze,
his limbs like rods of iron.

I guess this creature takes a dive into the ocean and starts breathing fire at a later date. I mean, these cats believed that the sun revolved around the Earth, and he's cosigning them.

 

[nyeleman]

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Behemoth doesn't exist, bruh. Certainly not in the days of man.

You need to ask the white man that gave you christianity and the atheism the truth

Thats from at least 1500 years ago.

This is why I laugh at you clowns. The white man locks your mind in a cage and feeds you information that you do not question. In congo all the tribes know of Huge reptiles called MOKOLE_MBEMBE but the white man tells you they lived millions of years ago. How can people draw pictures of an exact replica of an animal you claim has never been seen by man

 

[divine]

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I never said I know how many christians have killed, I simply said it's nowhere near stalin and I asked you to show me proof and you quoted a fake number. Now you are mad that so called atheists are killers You seem to think by taking a tangent then somehow it will hide the fact that your information was downright fabricated. STALIN DID KILL MORE you yourself verified NKVD killed 20 million alone. The issue here is your numbers are fabricated and bullcrap , mine aren't I posted the damn NKVD WEBSITE that points you to at least 100 sources including Encyclopedia britannica. GOIng on a tangent won't hide the fact that you are clueless.

Weren't you the one who started debating "numbers"?

So, you think Stalin killed more yet you are saying you don't know how many were killed by Christians? So what are you basing that (Atheist killed more) on?

So how many Natives do you think were killed. How many slaves. And how many in wars? You think it was less than what Stalin did (although you dont know how many were killed by Christians - you just know it wasn't more than Stalin?) ?

Yes, the link pointed to a hundred sources of which none agree. Some say a couple of million some say 20 million.

 

[divine]

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This is the shit he believes (from Job):

15 Look at the behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.

16 What strength he has in his loins,
what power in the muscles of his belly!

17 His tail sways like a cedar;
the sinews of his thighs are close-knit.

18 His bones are tubes of bronze,
his limbs like rods of iron.

I guess this creature takes a dive into the ocean and starts breathing fire at a later date. I mean, these cats believed that the sun revolved around the Earth, and he's cosigning them.

 

[nyeleman]

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So how many Natives do you think were killed. How many slaves. And how many in wars? You think it was less than what Stalin did?

Let me guess you ask for my opinion then ask for the source ???

The onus is not on me to do research for you because your brain is crutches. The Onus is on you who claims the number is so huge that nowhere can a record of that number be found. I know damn well there were no 50 million dead for the simple fact that the majority on Native american massacre numbers were in the tens of thousands. Unless theres a secret massacre the voices in your head are telling you then your information is laughable to say the least

 

[Ill Paragraph]

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You need to ask the white man that gave you christianity and the atheism the truth

Thats from at least 1500 years ago.

This is why I laugh at you clowns. The white man locks your mind in a cage and feeds you information that you do not question. In congo all the tribes know of Huge reptiles called MOKOLE_MBEMBE but the white man tells you they lived millions of years ago. How can people draw pictures of an exact replica of an animal you claim has never been seen by man

I'm trying to chase your mind down the rabbit hole, but I can't keep up. Is that a picture of a behemoth? Do you believe what's written in the bible or not? If not, why are you using it to support your increasingly bizarre arguments?

 

[divine]

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Let me guess you ask for my opinion then ask for the source ???

The onus is not on me to do research for you because your brain is crutches. The Onus is on you who claims the number is so huge that nowhere can a record of that number be found. I know damn well there were no 50 million dead for the simple fact that the majority on Native american massacre numbers were in the tens of thousands. Unless theres a secret massacre the voices in your head are telling you then your information is laughable to say the least

So you think I asked for your opinion? Seriously man? You deny the sources I provide so I asked you what was your count and the source? You said you do now know.

So, you dont know how many Native Americans were killed. You don;t know how many slaves were killed. You don't know how many were killed in wars by christians. Yet, you know for SURE it wasn't more than what STalin did?

 

[crossovernegro]

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peace to you...but the bible is a book. God didn't write the book, so I can't treat it like he did. Some do; you may, and that's cool... but it's just something where I also respectfully disagree with you.
You have your beliefs, and to you they are gospel. Others have different beliefs, and they believe that you are wrong, no doubt as you believe they are wrong.

You keep bringing up stuff from the bible... a book in which you obviously believe 100%. I just don't... so speaking about what was said to Peter doesn't really do anything for me, because I have no idea what if anything was really said to Peter or anyone else. The bible may be 100% right or 100% wrong... men wrote what you are reading, so it is as imperfect as anything else written by men. Many will argue against that, but that doesn't change that fact. Many people will argue that the book of morman or Scientology texts is the truth, and I'd bet that you would argue against that, even though their beliefs are as honestly thought out and as thoughtful as yours.



All I'm saying is that I believe what I want to believe... but I don't presume to know that I am right above everyone else. God, I believe, would in fact appreciate a person who used what HE gave them to doubt the things he was told by other imperfect beings. I also believe that God would would see what I see... that there are many belief and non-belief systems in the world, so according everybody, somebody is wrong (and usually, they themselves are right).


A few hundred years ago when Martin Luther broke with the Catholic church, he did it because he had his doubts about what he had been taught and what the Pope was pushing as gospel. A whole lot of people thought (and some still do) that he was guilty of heresy, but anyone who knows the history of religion knows what effect he had on Christianity. So beliefs are often challenged, and even those who speak out against such challenges often agree with past challengers after the fact, whether they know it or not. I'm not speaking specifically of you, because for all I know, you may be catholic and think of Martin Luther as a heretic, but no doubt, the non-catholic christian world followed his lead in the decades/centuries after his death.

No offense, I disagree.
I said hypothetical merely open the "door of possibly" for those to which is shut. To crack the door enough for a beam of possibly to shine through. I wasn't saying it for my benefit. God is not hypothetical but REAL and honestly, I don't believe I chose him but only chose to follow, no more than the Fishermen (disciples) walked up to Christ and choose him. He picked them and they choose to follow. That's all. Not a religion but a person. Christ. I don't consider myself even religious but religion means methodology right? I don't do crap that routinely.
I'm actually against thinking if you routines makes you holy. It doesnt.

Death is not why I believe in Christ or study the bible. The bible is for here and now. Dealing with situations, problems, concerns, that are a part of my present life, but God is a "Present Help. It is God's PRESENCE, that is REAL and not a theory, debate, theology, or choose...or even up for discussion. That's like me trying to convince you I don't exist, eventhough I am typing right now and you are reading what I wrote. So if God doesn't exist then who help me solve the problem I had with my business, today when i asked Him to help me. My "Present Help". If your called a repair man to fix your TV, while you were at work and eventhough you didn't see him, when you got home from work and the TV was fixed...who fixed it? I see His works in my life.




This a very long topic, so let me say a few points quick points.

I think for people to say God would congratulate an unbeliever for his critical thinking still is self congratulating. Christ didn't congratulate Peter saying "hey that was great Peter, you walked on WATER a little bit." No he reprimanded him for not walking the whole way. Saying, "Oh yea of little faith".

Personally I dont see how people can walk on God's beautiful green Earth, go on pic nicks with love ones, see the sun and the moon and say " God's going to thank me for not believing it's a blessing" The world is a half empty cup and not half full. With all the critical thinking I have I only doubt and not only didn't believe, but never believe to the actually allowing belief to become "Faith" and not just baby steps of belief. That they never believer to the power where it become grown "working, powerful, functioning" faith.

As far as other religions, Long subject. Let God handle that. I believe in Christ because of the things He did. Died for my sin.

 

[nyeleman]

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A mythical one the "breathes" fire in the water. You christians are delusional.

First you say Stalin ( an atheists) killed more than Christians.. then you admit you don;t know how many died because of christians invading America or the slave trade. So you just made up that theory. Now you're speaking about mythical creatures.

OH I get saying I don't know translates to more deaths

Maybe on that planet thats above your neck thats what I don't know means but on my planet I don't know means theres no numbers, skeletons, records to verify so the number is unknown. Unknown doesn't mean more , it only sounds like more because you already made up your mind of the imaginary 50 million in your head. I

 

[nyeleman]

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So you think I asked for your opinion? Seriously man? You deny the sources I provide so I asked you what was your count and the source? You said you do now know.

So, you dont know how many Native Americans were killed. You don;t know how many slaves were killed. You don't know how many were killed in wars by christians. Yet, you know for SURE it wasn't more than what STalin did?

Your source was denied by the Author himself in his disclaimer. Why you hold on to the sources just makes it more a comic picture for me I provided the NKVD website which I just double checked links to BRITANNICA and theres numbers. So your continual refusal to accept information is not my problem, It seems you already made up your mind from ALAN TAYLORS imagination What I find ridiculous is how you claim christians are sheep when you a black man is a sheep to ALAN TAYLORS FAKE theory. If I hadn't had found that site talking about Alan Taylor you probably would have continued saying it's fact and may more idiots probably would have listened to you

 

[divine]

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OH I get saying I don't know translates to more deaths

Maybe on that planet thats above your neck thats what I don't know means but on my planet I don't know means theres no numbers, skeletons, records to verify so the number is unknown. Unknown doesn't mean more , it only sounds like more because you already made up your mind of the imaginary 50 million in your head. I

No, saying you know that Stalin killed more while admitting you don't know the numbers killed by christians amounts to the same religious bullshit the OP talks about in this thread. Then, the fact that you bring up some mythical fire breathing fish monster seals the deal.

 

[nyeleman]

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I'm trying to chase your mind down the rabbit hole, but I can't keep up. Is that a picture of a behemoth? Do you believe what's written in the bible or not? If not, why are you using it to support your increasingly bizarre arguments?

That picture illustrates that people KNEW about dinosaurs . Thats just one type in jewish mysticism theres at least 5 types and other sources many more, that picture is hellenistic. That picture is just to illustrate that you are stupid to think Dinosaurs were first discovered by the white man in 1822. If dinosaurs or huge reptilians creatures have been mentioned for the last 5000 years by nearly every culture how did your stupid mind conclude that they are new The only thing new is the name

 

[Ill Paragraph]

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OH I get saying I don't know translates to more deaths

Maybe on that planet thats above your neck thats what I don't know means but on my planet I don't know means theres no numbers, skeletons, records to verify so the number is unknown. Unknown doesn't mean more , it only sounds like more because you already made up your mind of the imaginary 50 million in your head. I

I have a series of serious questions (because I just want to know what I'm dealing with):

1) Have you ever seen or hunted any behemoths?
2) Do you allow The White Man to spoon feed you information?
3) If not, why do you lean so heavily on the NKVD (unless of course you've vetted those files yourself).
4) Are you arguing against atheism, or Christianity, or both?

 

[nyeleman]

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No, saying you know that Stalin killed more while admitting you don't know the numbers killed by christians amounts to the same religious bullshit the OP talks about in this thread.

How so , because you yourself don't even know how many christians killed. You think making up numbers is rational? Not knowing doesn't mean you are free to create numbers that you think are true. Not knowing could even be 4 million deaths or less. What I find silly is You even trying to think christians killed more than Stalin without any proof but a mountain of emotive determination

 

[nyeleman]

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I have a series of serious questions (because I just want to know what I'm dealing with):

1) Have you ever seen or hunted any behemoths?
NEVER SAID I DID, Heres a counter question have you ever been to another galaxy? if not how do know it's there. When you answer that thats my same answer
2) Do you allow The White Man to spoon feed you information?
I am not american I don't forcefed propaganda from education, movies 247 and think just because thats all I know then thats the truth. IT's called primary personal research
3) If not, why do you lean so heavily on the NKVD (unless of course you've vetted those files yourself).
Thats the source of russian intelligence on the secret police . If you are going to research cows are you going to a chicken farm or cow farm
4) Are you arguing against atheism, or Christianity, or both?
I am arguing about STaling being the worst mass murderer who was athiest, whatever else is your mind making it up

Answered in the bold

 

[crossovernegro]

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What about all the other people that prayed for other things that didn't work out for them? You successfully found your remote control, but no doubt, some 7 year old somewhere prayed for their sister/brother/father/mother/pet dog to survive an illness, and yet that person/pet did not survive. Should they take that apparent "non-answering" of a prayer as proof that God does not exist?

As an example.

I ask God to help me find my remote control today. I prayed and I got up and found it immediately when I had looked for it for 2 hours before praying. How did if find it, by praying or by looking?

Then I had a huge problem. I prayed, I ask God to fix the problem, immediately got call that said the problem Fixed. What we thought was going to be difficult quickly presented itself as an easy solution. How did it get fixed and who fixed it?

In the bible, A woman touched Jesus garment and after 12 years of going to other doctors without success, it was immediately healed. How did she get Healed and who healed her.

I called a repair man from my job to fix the TV while I was at work, when I got home the TV was fix. I didn't see anyone fix it...who fixed it? an invisible TV man.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

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You think making up numbers is rational? Not knowing doesn't mean you are free to create numbers that you think are true. Not knowing could even be 4 million deaths or less..

The number is probably less than 20 million over 4 centuries..

 

[nyeleman]

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He asked for an estimated opinion and I gave a probable number. Seriously are you that thick skulled that a probable number goes over your head. The only person that gave a definitive nimber is DIVINE which turned out to be a false one. If he had asked for a factual number the answer would have been different. It still stands that there is no 50 million number recorded anywhere but delusional brain lining of atheists

 

[divine]

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No, saying you know that Stalin killed more while admitting you don't know the numbers killed by christians amounts to the same religious bullshit the OP talks about in this thread. Then, the fact that you bring up some mythical fire breathing fish monster seals the deal.

How so

Because you admitted you don't know how many natives were killed. You admit you don't know how many slaves were killed. You admit you don't know how many were killed by christians in their wars. You don;t know how many were killed during the crusades... yet you say Stalin killed more than a number you do not know.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

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He asked for an estimated opinion and I gave a probable number. Seriously are you that thick skulled that a probable number goes over your head. The only person that gave a definitive nimber is DIVINE which turned out to be a false one. If he had asked for a factual number the answer would have been different. It still stands that there is no 50 million number recorded anywhere but delusional brain lining of atheists

What, exactly, did you base your "probable number" on?

 

[Slim Cutty]

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I simply said that you couldn't guarantee what you said you could. You have no way of knowing such things. I wouldn't proclaim to know anything beyond, "it depends".

How am I the one with the ego when you're the one saying you KNOW how another man will react under certain situations? It's speculation, leave it at that.


Pretending to know something you don't is the most egotistical thing if ya ask me.

Family, unless I walk in your shoes, I could never experience what you experience on any level. I don't know you, but I know myself, I can't speak for you, only myself. "I" know, and this goes beyoned a belief system. Whether I can prove to you or not, shyt don't matter to me if I have proof enough in my mind and soul. "Soul," "Spirit," and "Mind" are something that anti-theos cats really can't touch on some tangeable shyt .. you can scuffle over all the details and books in existence ... but those things are the God within me. But I will agree to disagree with you and you did make a good assesment of my words ... good shyt ... take care

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[nyeleman]

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Because you admitted you don't know how many natives were killed. You admit you don't know how many slaves were killed. You admit you don't know how many were killed by christians in their wars. You don;t know how many were killed during the crusades... yet you say Stalin killed more than a number you do not know.

Wow

So just because I do not know then that means the christians killed more than stalin. Let me bring you up to speed By not knowing I mean I do not know whether they killed 2 million, 3 million, 4 million...20 million I just don't know NEITHER DO YOU. The only way they could have killed more than stalin is if they killed more than at least 50 million, now that I know for a damn fact they never killed 50 million native americans. Theres no such number in native american oral history, no such figure in european history, No evidence of this 50 million anywhere in History. Everyone on this planet agree's that no one has killed more than Stalin apart from you BGOL, athiests who frankly are damn near retards who can't even quote a book properly. Like I said earlier if you know better than native americans or historical records please do show us how 50 million people just vanished into thin air

 

[nyeleman]

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What, exactly, did you base your "probable number" on?

That probable number is based upon the numbers of native americans that died in massacres that were recorded times 4 centuries. I haven't done much research but from what I am reading on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_massacre , I see no Millions being Killed unless over 4 centuries. Factoring in disease then I would put the figure at 20 million over 4 centuries . And I would like to point out this is my own opinion with probable calculations

 

[divine]

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If you don't know the numbers why would you say Stalin killed more?

Wow

So just because I do not know then that means the christians killed more than stalin. Let me bring you up to speed By not knowing I mean I do not know whether they killed 2 million, 3 million, 4 million...20 million I just don't know NEITHER DO YOU. The only way they could have killed more than stalin is if they killed more than at least 50 million, now that I know for a damn fact they never killed 50 million native americans. Theres no such number in native american oral history, no such figure in european history, No evidence of this 50 million anywhere in History. Everyone on this planet agree's that no one has killed more than Stalin apart from you BGOL, athiests who frankly are damn near retards who can't even quote a book properly. Like I said earlier if you know better than native americans or historical records please do show us how 50 million people just vanished into thin air

 

[da_monumental_1]

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You need to ask the white man that gave you christianity and the atheism the truth

Thats from at least 1500 years ago.

This is why I laugh at you clowns. The white man locks your mind in a cage and feeds you information that you do not question. In congo all the tribes know of Huge reptiles called MOKOLE_MBEMBE but the white man tells you they lived millions of years ago. How can people draw pictures of an exact replica of an animal you claim has never been seen by man

So you have been lying for years telling cats on here that you understand Greek and Hebrew?

KrokodiLopardalis = Crocodile Leopard

Hell, that animal is not even a reptile. It's the recently extinct Koala Lemur from Madagascar.

 

[nyeleman]

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If you don't know the numbers why would you say Stalin killed more?

Because they are no 50 million skeletons or even data to support , Ground penetrating radar has probably searched every inch of american soil. As it stands Recorded history trumps fabricated history. Unless you want to say the settlers vapourised the bones LOL. Stalin's method of killing were calculated to take out millions, he didn't kill village to village like the settlers. The lack of information doesn't mean it's okay to fill the vacuum with whatever your imagination tells you. Theres no way 50 million people can be killed with no record , if native american oral history and settler history tells you the worst massacres numbers why did they miss the millions that you claim?

 

[Ill Paragraph]

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Wow

So just because I do not know then that means the christians killed more than stalin. Let me bring you up to speed By not knowing I mean I do not know whether they killed 2 million, 3 million, 4 million...20 million I just don't know NEITHER DO YOU. The only way they could have killed more than stalin is if they killed more than at least 50 million, now that I know for a damn fact they never killed 50 million native americans. Theres no such number in native american oral history, no such figure in european history, No evidence of this 50 million anywhere in History. Everyone on this planet agree's that no one has killed more than Stalin apart from you BGOL, athiests who frankly are damn near retards who can't even quote a book properly. Like I said earlier if you know better than native americans or historical records please do show us how 50 million people just vanished into thin air

Since you're so thoroughly familiar with the oral tradition of indigenous Americans, you'll know that it would be foolish to rely on it to document the centuries-long, systematic slaughter of all people native to the Americas.

Since you don't rely on the White Man spoon-feeding you information, you'll know that it doesn't make any sense to depend on the European record to document their own atrocities.

You've spent several pages in this thread attempting to firmly place yourself on your high horse regarding this issue. Not once have you allowed the fact that it is COMPLETELY INCONSEQUENTIAL to the initial argument dissuade you. To my discredit, I've gone back and forth with you about this.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

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Because they are no 50 million skeletons or even data to support , Ground penetrating radar has probably searched every inch of american soil. As it stands Recorded history trumps fabricated history. Unless you want to say the settlers vapourised the bones LOL. Stalin's method of killing were calculated to take out millions, he didn't kill village to village like the settlers. The lack of information doesn't mean it's okay to fill the vacuum with whatever your imagination tells you. Theres no way 50 million people can be killed with no record , if native american oral history and settler history tells you the worst massacres numbers why did they miss the millions that you claim?

Since you're such a historian, it might interest you to know that both North and South American indigenous people are taken into account with regard to this argument.

 

[nyeleman]

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So you have been lying for years telling cats on here that you understand Greek and Hebrew?

KrokodiLopardalis = Crocodile Leopard

Hell, that animal is not even a reptile. It's the recently extinct Koala Lemur from Madagascar.

Why don't you try speaking to me in hebrew or KOINE(whch you mistake for greek). The painting has not been verified by what you claim because thats animal hunted from the nile river, so how does the Lemur which doesn't exist on continental africa even come into the picture

try again thats clearly a reptile

 

[nyeleman]

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Since you're so thoroughly familiar with the oral tradition of indigenous Americans, you'll know that it would be foolish to rely on it to document the centuries-long, systematic slaughter of all people native to the Americas.

Since you don't rely on the White Man spoon-feeding you information, you'll know that it doesn't make any sense to depend on the European record to document their own atrocities.

You've spent several pages in this thread attempting to firmly place yourself on your high horse regarding this issue. Not once have you allowed the fact that it is COMPLETELY INCONSEQUENTIAL to the initial argument dissuade you. To my discredit, I've gone back and forth with you about this.

So according to you oral tradition and written record is not good enough but Alan Taylor is good enough Sreriously who are you trying to fool here. It's clear you already convinced yourself and anyone that tells you otherwise is wrong. I just want to see the numbers am not interested in emotional outbursts that are going into so many tangents I can't keep up

 

[Count23]

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Humans are crazy it's nothing do to with religion , what I find silly is how athiests try to attribute human behaviour to religion. People will always kill where there is a system of power, authority and lack of question. Any time you get humans in a huge group and give them a system to adhere to with leaders in an unquestionable hierachy then you will get trouble. You can rid the world today of all religions but I guarantee you the same thing that happened before with religion will continue without religion

@ red bolded; truth.



However I think that to compare raw figures on who killed who over different time periods is disingenuous at best, becuz the human population exploded in the 20th century. saying "x" killed 1000's hundreds of years ago while "y" killed millions in the 20th century is not a fair comparison. Did stalin/mao etc. specifically wipe out people in the name of atheism?

Besides, being an atheist does not make one more or less moral, smarter, etc. and it can't claim to.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

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So according to you oral tradition and written record is not good enough but Alan Taylor is good enough

First, Taylor is an established historian. Second, he's not the only one who makes this assertion.

Sreriously who are you trying to fool here. It's clear you already convinced yourself and anyone that tells you otherwise is wrong. I just want to see the numbers am not interested in emotional outbursts that are going into so many tangents I can't keep up

Like I said..

You've spent several pages in this thread attempting to firmly place yourself on your high horse regarding this issue. Not once have you allowed the fact that it is COMPLETELY INCONSEQUENTIAL to the initial argument dissuade you. To my discredit, I've gone back and forth with you about this.

 

[nyeleman]

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First, Taylor is an established historian. Second, he's not the only one who makes this assertion.

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KEY WORD IS ASSERTION

This is why the book has a disclaimer i.e he didn't do the research or simply doesn't know. The book maybe right but it comes to numbers , how he came up with those numbers is what matters. I can come up with a figure of 3 billion but just because people think am reliable doesn't make it true.

 

[da_monumental_1]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

Why don't you try speaking to me in hebrew or KOINE(whch you mistake for greek). The painting has not been verified by what you claim because thats animal hunted from the nile river, so how does the Lemur which doesn't exist on continental africa even come into the picture

try again thats clearly a reptile

Dinosaurs aren't reptiles.

 

[nyeleman]

Re: All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 10

Dinosaurs aren't reptiles.

Just stop, you have embarassed yourself enough for today

Dinosaurs are reptiles

EDit: I just needed to double check

Dinosaurs are a diverse group of reptiles. They were the dominant terrestrial vertebrates for over 160 million years, from the late Triassic period (about 230 million years ago) until the end of the Cretaceous period (about 65 million years ago),

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur

Thank you