Honestly i think its just the 4th at the top with the sage. Truly i believe Itachi is 2nd tier because Itachi versus the 2nd tier guys it would be a long drawn out fight but against the 4th and Rikudou sennin i think its over in a flash or little to no effort because didnt the 3rd mention that the 4th was the greatest he had ever seen this coming from a guy who's seen the 1st and the 2nd and if you noticed when he the 3rd fought Orochimaru he made sure to block what was supposed to be or thought as the 4th casket because he knew he had no fucking chance if he was lets loose
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Honestly i think its just the 4th at the top with the sage. Truly i believe Itachi is 2nd tier because Itachi versus the 2nd tier guys it would be a long drawn out fight but against the 4th and Rikudou sennin i think its over in a flash or little to no effort because didnt the 3rd mention that the 4th was the greatest he had ever seen this coming from a guy who's seen the 1st and the 2nd and if you noticed when he the 3rd fought Orochimaru he made sure to block what was supposed to be or thought as the 4th casket because he knew he had no fucking chance if he was lets loose
Good point. I read something about Itachi once. With his Susanoo and the sword along with the black flames they said he was invincible, The only thing is they say you've never seen Itachi at his full strength or power.
Can anyone tell me what episode it was of the anime where Itachi fought Sasuke?
You dont have to buy into my theory, but we do have to use common sense in certain situations when dealing with Kishi and this manga.kidmegaii said:
He uses his characters to state ALOT of Hyperbole and Bullsht to hype OTHER characters.
You know, kind of like this
or like when Itachi lied to Sasuke and said you had to kill your best friend to achieve MS. We cant take everything someone says as the undeniable TRUTH.
Alot of the time KISHI's making this sht up as he goes along without planning ahead, which leads to inconsistencies and power fluctuations later on, that fck up the story.
That's bound to happen with a story going on this long though
But now that we've seen the FULL power of both Itachi and Kisame, their ultimate attacks and everything, do you still think it makes sense for someone of their power level to flee in terror from BASE Jiraiya?
I want to hear from you........ take in everything we've seen so far from the characters now that they've all revealed their ultimate attacks, powers and all, and tell me,
Can Itachi+Kisame (same time together) battle SAGE Jiriya and win?
If yes, then why did they run?
Also, Sage Mode has 1 HUGE weakness no one ever talks about, and against higher tiered ninjas, is a SERIOUS disadvantage.
For Jiriya, not only does it take a while to "activate" Sage mode, he has to have his hands clasped together for awhile.
No Seals/Jutsus.
Unlike, say, Itachi, who can use his strongest attacks right away and in an instant.
We've seen Itachi fight 4 times (-Not even all out)
He's defeated 4 S-rank Ninjas (Diedra/Oro 2x/Kakashi), all in less then 2 minutes.
He's looking to end things quickly, so he's not just going to sit back and wait for Jiriya to finish.
So how will Jiriya fight with his hands together, looking away from Itachi, gather chakra, with 2 S-rank ninjas coming after him, with one shot kill powers?
Which brings me to this....
So you're saying he'll call on a Boss (Frog) Summon, and have it fight Itachi+Kisame, while he chills on top of the Boss Summon gathering Sage chakra, right?kidmegaii said:
ok, So Boss Summon vs Itachi/Kisame.
Well, if Kisame decides to pull off this move,
you know Jiriya's Fcked, right?
While the Boss Summon may be able to for a little while, Jiriya cant breath underwater, and I'm pretty sure he's going to unclasp his hands to try to get his ass up outta there.
Which he cant do until he defeats Kisame, and times a ticking in that situation. With Itachi on the sideline waiting for an opening.
But let's use Itachi vs Boss Summon....
I assume the Boss Summon will fight with the same weapon (Staff/Sword?) he fought against animal Pein's animals? correct?
This is your example after all...
If Itachi brings out Susanoo + Totsuka Sword, you know the Boss Summon cant fight him, right?
Because if he tries to get into a "sword/staff fight" with Itachi holding the Totsuka Sword, the Totsuka Sword will faze right through his weapon and hit him, sealing the Boss Summon.
And jiraiya will be back at square 1.
Now if Itachi and Kisame actually decide to attack at the same time?
So yeah, it looks dumb as hell for Itachi and Kisame to be running for their lives like scared little children, with the powers they have at this point in the manga.
But thats Kishi for you.
Yeah, because Sasuke STOPPED it.
Amertasu dosent vaporize you on the spot.
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-415/page004.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-415/page005.html
Yeah, because Sasuke fcked up when he cut off a tentacle that didnt have Amatersaru on it, and Bee was able to "switch" to that part of HIS body that was cut off, (kishi magic). He didnt "replace" anything, he just left his orininal body to another part. You cant get hit with Amertasu and switch places with say, a log.
If Jiryia wants to cut off an arm before the fight and store it in the bushes "just in case", I'm pretty sure Itachi wouldnt mind.
Show me a feat in the manga where Sage Mode can make you move faster then the speed of light
Who said any of this?
this is why i started debating with you about 3 posts ago on why you think Jman is on a tier above Itachi ....kidmegaii said:
That statement to me implies you think Itachi couldnt do anything to a SAGE Mode Jiriya.
Like if they fought, it's gonna be on some 5 Gate Lee vs Gaara sht
, where Gaara cant even react fast enough or even knows what the hell is going on, looking around all confused and sht. So I've been giving you for the last 2 or 3 posts about a 1000 different ways Itachi can "fight" a Sage Mode Jiriya and win.
I never said Jiriya couldnt win.
If they fought 10 times, they'd probably split the series.
But I'm not buying that
stuff at all.
Itachi's too damn powerful.
The only reason he isnt on Tier 2 is because of his Chakra level.
Ultimate Defense (Yata's Mirror/Susanoo) + Ultimate Offense (Totsuka Sword- Amaterasu - Tsukuyomi) + SPAM = Tier 2
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You dont have to buy into my theory, but we do have to use common sense in certain situations when dealing with Kishi and this manga.
He uses his characters to state ALOT of Hyperbole and Bullsht to hype OTHER characters.
You know, kind of like this
or like when Itachi lied to Sasuke and said you had to kill your best friend to achieve MS. We cant take everything someone says as the undeniable TRUTH.
Alot of the time KISHI's making this sht up as he goes along without planning ahead, which leads to inconsistencies and power fluctuations later on, that fck up the story.
That's bound to happen with a story going on this long though
But now that we've seen the FULL power of both Itachi and Kisame, their ultimate attacks and everything, do you still think it makes sense for someone of their power level to flee in terror from BASE Jiraiya?
I want to hear from you........ take in everything we've seen so far from the characters now that they've all revealed their ultimate attacks, powers and all, and tell me,
Can Itachi+Kisame (same time together) battle SAGE Jiriya and win?
If yes, then why did they run?
Also, Sage Mode has 1 HUGE weakness no one ever talks about, and against higher tiered ninjas, is a SERIOUS disadvantage.
Where's that pic of Denzel when you need it saying 'My nigga'?
For Jiriya, not only does it take a while to "activate" Sage mode, he has to have his hands clasped together for awhile.
No Seals/Jutsus.
Unlike, say, Itachi, who can use his strongest attacks right away and in an instant.
We've seen Itachi fight 4 times (-Not even all out)
He's defeated 4 S-rank Ninjas (Diedra/Oro 2x/Kakashi), all in less then 2 minutes.
He's looking to end things quickly, so he's not just going to sit back and wait for Jiriya to finish.
So how will Jiriya fight with his hands together, looking away from Itachi, gather chakra, with 2 S-rank ninjas coming after him, with one shot kill powers?
Which brings me to this....
So you're saying he'll call on a Boss (Frog) Summon, and have it fight Itachi+Kisame, while he chills on top of the Boss Summon gathering Sage chakra, right?
ok, So Boss Summon vs Itachi/Kisame.
Well, if Kisame decides to pull off this move,
you know Jiriya's Fcked, right?
While the Boss Summon may be able to for a little while, Jiriya cant breath underwater, and I'm pretty sure he's going to unclasp his hands to try to get his ass up outta there.
Which he cant do until he defeats Kisame, and times a ticking in that situation. With Itachi on the sideline waiting for an opening.
But let's use Itachi vs Boss Summon....
I assume the Boss Summon will fight with the same weapon (Staff/Sword?) he fought against animal Pein's animals? correct?
This is your example after all...
If Itachi brings out Susanoo + Totsuka Sword, you know the Boss Summon cant fight him, right?
Because if he tries to get into a "sword/staff fight" with Itachi holding the Totsuka Sword, the Totsuka Sword will faze right through his weapon and hit him, sealing the Boss Summon.
And jiraiya will be back at square 1.
Now if Itachi and Kisame actually decide to attack at the same time?
So yeah, it looks dumb as hell for Itachi and Kisame to be running for their lives like scared little children, with the powers they have at this point in the manga.
But thats Kishi for you.
Yeah, because Sasuke STOPPED it.
Amertasu dosent vaporize you on the spot.
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-415/page004.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-415/page005.html
Yeah, because Sasuke fcked up when he cut off a tentacle that didnt have Amatersaru on it, and Bee was able to "switch" to that part of HIS body that was cut off, (kishi magic). He didnt "replace" anything, he just left his orininal body to another part. You cant get hit with Amertasu and switch places with say, a log.
If Jiryia wants to cut off an arm before the fight and store it in the bushes "just in case", I'm pretty sure Itachi wouldnt mind.
Show me a feat in the manga where Sage Mode can make you move faster then the speed of light
Who said any of this?
this is why i started debating with you about 3 posts ago on why you think Jman is on a tier above Itachi ....
That statement to me implies you think Itachi couldnt do anything to a SAGE Mode Jiriya.
Like if they fought, it's gonna be on some 5 Gate Lee vs Gaara sht
So I've been giving you for the last 2 or 3 posts about a 1000 different ways Itachi can "fight" a Sage Mode Jiriya and win.
I never said Jiriya couldnt win.
If they fought 10 times, they'd probably split the series.
But I'm not buying that stuff at all.
Itachi's too damn powerful.
The only reason he isnt on Tier 2 is because of his Chakra level.
Ultimate Defense (Yata's Mirror/Susanoo) + Ultimate Offense (Totsuka Sword- Amaterasu - Tsukuyomi) + SPAM = Tier 2
Hence again the reason why I hate the 'Sharingan Clan' yes I know that's not their names, but seriously, all that power and they don't have the Sage Eyes, wow, seriously you'd think they had the 'GIFT' instead!
You dont have to buy into my theory, but we do have to use common sense in certain situations when dealing with Kishi and this manga.
He uses his characters to state ALOT of Hyperbole and Bullsht to hype OTHER characters.
You know, kind of like this
or like when Itachi lied to Sasuke and said you had to kill your best friend to achieve MS. We cant take everything someone says as the undeniable TRUTH.
Alot of the time KISHI's making this sht up as he goes along without planning ahead, which leads to inconsistencies and power fluctuations later on, that fck up the story.
That's bound to happen with a story going on this long though
But now that we've seen the FULL power of both Itachi and Kisame, their ultimate attacks and everything, do you still think it makes sense for someone of their power level to flee in terror from BASE Jiraiya?
I want to hear from you........ take in everything we've seen so far from the characters now that they've all revealed their ultimate attacks, powers and all, and tell me,
Can Itachi+Kisame (same time together) battle SAGE Jiriya and win?
If yes, then why did they run?
Also, Sage Mode has 1 HUGE weakness no one ever talks about, and against higher tiered ninjas, is a SERIOUS disadvantage.
For Jiriya, not only does it take a while to "activate" Sage mode, he has to have his hands clasped together for awhile.
No Seals/Jutsus.
Unlike, say, Itachi, who can use his strongest attacks right away and in an instant.
We've seen Itachi fight 4 times (-Not even all out)
He's defeated 4 S-rank Ninjas (Diedra/Oro 2x/Kakashi), all in less then 2 minutes.
He's looking to end things quickly, so he's not just going to sit back and wait for Jiriya to finish.
So how will Jiriya fight with his hands together, looking away from Itachi, gather chakra, with 2 S-rank ninjas coming after him, with one shot kill powers?
Which brings me to this....
So you're saying he'll call on a Boss (Frog) Summon, and have it fight Itachi+Kisame, while he chills on top of the Boss Summon gathering Sage chakra, right?
ok, So Boss Summon vs Itachi/Kisame.
Well, if Kisame decides to pull off this move,
you know Jiriya's Fcked, right?
While the Boss Summon may be able to for a little while, Jiriya cant breath underwater, and I'm pretty sure he's going to unclasp his hands to try to get his ass up outta there.
Which he cant do until he defeats Kisame, and times a ticking in that situation. With Itachi on the sideline waiting for an opening.
But let's use Itachi vs Boss Summon....
I assume the Boss Summon will fight with the same weapon (Staff/Sword?) he fought against animal Pein's animals? correct?
This is your example after all...
If Itachi brings out Susanoo + Totsuka Sword, you know the Boss Summon cant fight him, right?
Because if he tries to get into a "sword/staff fight" with Itachi holding the Totsuka Sword, the Totsuka Sword will faze right through his weapon and hit him, sealing the Boss Summon.
And jiraiya will be back at square 1.
Now if Itachi and Kisame actually decide to attack at the same time?
So yeah, it looks dumb as hell for Itachi and Kisame to be running for their lives like scared little children, with the powers they have at this point in the manga.
But thats Kishi for you.
Yeah, because Sasuke STOPPED it.
Amertasu dosent vaporize you on the spot.
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-415/page004.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-415/page005.html
Yeah, because Sasuke fcked up when he cut off a tentacle that didnt have Amatersaru on it, and Bee was able to "switch" to that part of HIS body that was cut off, (kishi magic). He didnt "replace" anything, he just left his orininal body to another part. You cant get hit with Amertasu and switch places with say, a log.
If Jiryia wants to cut off an arm before the fight and store it in the bushes "just in case", I'm pretty sure Itachi wouldnt mind.
Show me a feat in the manga where Sage Mode can make you move faster then the speed of light
Who said any of this?
this is why i started debating with you about 3 posts ago on why you think Jman is on a tier above Itachi ....
That statement to me implies you think Itachi couldnt do anything to a SAGE Mode Jiriya.
Like if they fought, it's gonna be on some 5 Gate Lee vs Gaara sht
So I've been giving you for the last 2 or 3 posts about a 1000 different ways Itachi can "fight" a Sage Mode Jiriya and win.
I never said Jiriya couldnt win.
If they fought 10 times, they'd probably split the series.
But I'm not buying that stuff at all.
Itachi's too damn powerful.
The only reason he isnt on Tier 2 is because of his Chakra level.
Ultimate Defense (Yata's Mirror/Susanoo) + Ultimate Offense (Totsuka Sword- Amaterasu - Tsukuyomi) + SPAM = Tier 2
The only reason Killer B ain't handle Kisame, was his singing coach would of got hurt if he went into tail so don't overestimate kisame (who's probably going to be Super Sennin Jesus Naruto first victim.
) Jiraya doesn't need Sage mode to deal with his ass. See the problem when guys talk about itachi is they believe the hyperbole (even if they don't want to admit it} about this being hotter than the sun, this being the ultimate defense. Attached to Tsukiyomi Amatersau, Sunsaoo and Yata mirror are centuries old myths which adds to the hyperbole, thus making the ulitmate defense that much more utlimate and said move more hotter than the sun.
With that said Jiraya sinks Susanoo with swap of the underworld, frog songs itachi Heads to local titty bar, gets head and fucks for $40, comes (No Homo
) back and finishes Itachi off, and cooks Kisame for dinner.
While I was writing my own fanfiction on a battle that never will happen, I decide to do a little checking on the Let Load Skip to 7:20 Mark
http://www.narutospot.net/naruto-english-dubbed/naruto-episode-83-english/
http://www.narutospot.net/naruto-english-dubbed/naruto-episode-83-english/
uh...no, it's not..naruto is a genius in his own right....the very first story has naruto in hrs figuring out a jutsu that would have taken other nijas way longer...thoughout the series he keeps doing this, learning it days what took some years....in some cases he figured out shit on the battlefield new how to use his skills to make his justus stronger...
now that they've started talking about his family, i'm sure we'll see more things that passed thru the bloodline
You can tell that Kishi really likes the 4th. The way he has written him so far has been on point. Dude is calm, collected, & literally lighting fast with his execution. Made Madara look like chump change. I really hope that after his training with Killerbee, that he looks for scrolls that his mother & father may have left for him so he can go through it all & among them would be the space-time technique. I know that he has the Rikudou Sennin body, but I just want to see him smash Sasuke & perhaps Madara for ole times sake) in the face with his pops tech. That would be fun to read/see.
Sometime last year Kishimoto said he would love to do a series spinoff about Minato....that would be a great idea if he doesnt ruin it.
That would be cool if he did do that. Yeah you are right about that... if he does not ruin it.
Ultimate ninja Storm 2
Jiraiya vs Lord Orochimaru
Sasuke vs Naruto
Kakuzu vs Asuma
Jiraiya vs Lord Orochimaru
Sasuke vs Naruto
Kakuzu vs Asuma
Please dont tell me your comparing the 7Tails power to BASE Jiraiya, like, if 7tails can defeat Shark version Kisame underwater (Which is not a given), why cant Base Jiraiya?kidmegaii said:
(Human) BASE Jiriyia has the SPEED and LUNG CAPACITY to defeat a Damn Supershark S-Rank chakra stealing monster ninja..............UNDERWATER?
See, this is where i'm saying we have to use some common sense and not just a blanket statement like Jiriya >>>>>> Kisame in all situations.
Base Jiraiya > BASE Kisame (fighting on land)
Sage Mode Jiraiya > BASE Kisame (fighting on land)
Sage Mode Jiraiya > SuperShark Kisame in "WATER PRISON" ( debateable how good Sage Mode is underwater since he cant breathe and his speed is reduced and he has only 5 minutes, but I'll give you this just for the sake of argument )
BASE Jiraiya < Supershark Kisame in "Water Prison"
I mean c'mon, has it been proven anywhere in the manga Jiraiya can even FIGHT UNDERwater?
Bee is an Octopus, so he gets a pass.
Jiriya is still human, and needs to BREATHE
And last time I checked, ninja or not
Shark Speed underwater >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Human speed.
According to the data book, and even just by reading the manga, Base Gai is faster the Base Jiraiya, and even he couldnt keep up speed wise with only a 30% clone of Kisame underwater(not even a full BASE Kisame)
Except I'm using manga feats, not Hyperbole.
Things actually SEEN.
Susanoo is powerful enough to block "Kirin", even if you barely have any chakra left, it can still shield you enough not be VAPORIZED on the spot.
It's also activates faster then the SPEED of LIGHTNING aka KIRIN's attack speed.
Sasuke was able to take a damn Raiga (Raikage) PowerBomb, and live, with only an INCOMPLETE Susanoo saving him.
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page005.html
look at the bottom right panel and see how deep and wide the crater that the Powerbomb created.
Sasuke got up unharmed.
That's just about SAGE LEVEL ATTACKS being blocked. That "Ultimate Defense" name is well deserved.
And Itachi has Yata's mirror to go ALONG with that.
The Totsuka Sword is spiritual (FACT), he can swing it faster then a blink of an eye, (he hit Oro in mid-sentence with it from a good distance away, thats faster then reaction time) FACT
Because it's spiritual you cant block it with your own weapons (FACT) and it seals its victims, (FACT).
You let me tell it, that's the most powerful weapon in the manga, it's the DEATH "GOD" in blade form without sacrificing your soul.
No one in the manga has EVER escaped from Itachi's Tsukuyomi without his permission. (FACT) (Oro/Diedra/Kakashi)
We've also seen that each Uchiha's Tsukuyomi power munipulation is different.
"Compared to ITACHI'S, where he could alter your perception of time at his whim, you're as far below him as land is below the sky -~ Danzou"
is the statement made by Danzou comparing him and his brothers tsukuyomi.
Whether you want to believe or not Itachi's tsukuyomi was THAT much greater then Sasuke's version, it DOES prove there are different power levels of tsukuyomi control.
(Also, Itachi LET Sasuske escape his, otherwise Sasuke wouldve died, which would have ruined his plans)
So, getting caught in Itachi's tsukuyomi, youre fcked without OUTSIDE help (FACT)
What makes this horrible for his opponents is.........He STARTS OFF his battles using it.
That's not good for BASE Jiraiya.
Amaratasu "burning as hot as the sun" was never in any part of my arguments, so that dosent apply to my examples.
It's greatest attribute is that you cant put it out, and it needs faster then light speed to evade.
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page012.html
With that said Jiraya sinks Susanoo with swap of the underworld, frog songs itachi Heads to local titty bar, gets head and fucks for $40, comes (No Homo
I agree.
IF Jiraiya can trap Itachi in Susanoo with SWAMP of the Underworld before getting hit with the Totsuka Sword, he can win.
IF Jiraiya can buy himself enough time to gain Sage mode, and then wait on Ma and Pa to sinc up, and THEN pull of Frog Song, he can win.
just like
IF Itachi can use Tsukuyomi like he has been all manga, he can win.
IF Itachi can use the Totsuka Sword and touch Jiriya, he can win.
IF Itachi covers Jiriya in Ameratasu, he can win.
So my point is, what put's Jiriya on a Higher tier then Itachi?
They're both comparable as far as the ridiculous level of powers they have at their disposal.
Neither one is THAT much more powerful then the other
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I wasn't trying to compare but, since you brought that up. Jiraya survived a tangle with 4-tails Naruto, even with half his charka sealed up kyuuby leagues more powerful that the other bjuu.
BASE Jiriya is going to defeat Kisame in Ultimate SHARK form underwater?
(Human) Jiriyia has the SPEED and LUNG CAPACITY to defeat a Damn Supershark chakra stealing monster UNDERWATER?
See, this is where i'm saying we have to use some common sense and not just a blanket statement like Jiriya >>>>>> Kisame in all situations.
Base Jiriya > BASE Kisame (fighting on land)
Sage Mode Jiriya > BASE Kisame (fighting on land)
Sage Mode Jiriya > SuperShark Kisame in "WATER PRISON" ( debateable how good Sage Mode is underwater since he cant breathe and his speed is reduced and he has only 5 minutes, but I'll give you this just for the sake of argument )
BASE Jiriya < Supershark Kisame in "Water Prison"
I mean c'mon, has it been proven anywhere in the manga Jiriya can even FIGHT UNDERwater?
Bee is an Octopus, so he gets a pass.
Jiriya is still human man, and needs to BREATHE
And last time I checked, ninja or not
Shark Speed underwater >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Human speed.
According to the data book, and even just by reading the manga, Base Gai is faster the Base Jiriya, and even he couldnt keep up with a 30% clone of Kisame underwater( not even a full BASE Kisame)
Jiraya would have kisame water prison looking like the Gulf of Mexico he would with all the toad oil he can spit out. As soon h drop that water prison Deep fried Blue fish tuna.
Jiraya>>>>Kisame
Jiraya>>>>Shark Form
Jiraya>>>>Kisame Sword relase form
Jiraya>>>> Kisame Resurrection Form
Jiraya>>>>Kisame bankai mode
Except I'm using manga feats, not Hyperbole.
Things actually SEEN.
Susanoo is powerful enough to block "Kirin", even if you barely have any chakra left, it can still shield you enough not be VAPORIZED on the spot.
It's also activates faster then the SPEED of LIGHTNING aka KIRIN's attack speed.
Sasuke was able to take a damn Raiga (Raikage) PowerBomb, and live, with only an INCOMPLETE Susanoo saving him.
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page005.html
look at the bottom right panel and see how deep and wide the crater that the Powerbomb created.
Sasuke got up unharmed.
That's just about SAGE LEVEL ATTACKS being blocked. That "Ultimate Defense" name is well deserved.
And Itachi has Yata's mirror to go ALONG with that.
But Jiraya will be firing multiple Sage mode Level attacks. And I'm sure you will agree that a multitude of attack at that level would too much for just about anyone.
I'm with Jae in this arguement. I don't see Jiraya boy beating Itachi with any of his attacks. There's nothing that he can get through the skeleton armor. And Itachi just has to hit him with the sword once. And that's if by some miracle, Jiraya can avoid the first attack of Itachi's in the first place.
And there's definitely no way that Kisame and Itachi fighting together would lose to Jiraya. Kisame is a bijuu level powered person. And he knew that Itachi was more powerful than him. And hell Sasuke fought a bijuu level powered person who's speed i guess would be comparable to or faster than a sage. And he pretty much mutilated the guy.
I really don't see how anyone can say Itachi just isn't the baddest man on the planet.
How do you beat Itachi's first eye attack? The illusion 1? I've been told you avoid eye contact but....you won't know when he's going to use it. He pops his armor and hits you with the sword. While you're busy not looking at his eyes?
And there's definitely no way that Kisame and Itachi fighting together would lose to Jiraya. Kisame is a bijuu level powered person. And he knew that Itachi was more powerful than him. And hell Sasuke fought a bijuu level powered person who's speed i guess would be comparable to or faster than a sage. And he pretty much mutilated the guy.
I really don't see how anyone can say Itachi just isn't the baddest man on the planet.
How do you beat Itachi's first eye attack? The illusion 1? I've been told you avoid eye contact but....you won't know when he's going to use it. He pops his armor and hits you with the sword. While you're busy not looking at his eyes?
1st, yes, the Kyuubi(9 tails) is more powerful then the other Bijuus.
2nd, You say half the Kyuubi Chakra is sealed up. So 50% of the Kyuubi's power is at Naruto's disposal.
3rd, If Naruto is in 4Tailed form , then thats LESS then HALF somkewhere around less then 25% of the alloted 50%.
And that's LEAGUES more powerful then the 8 Tails?
Find me a Manga page or something in the Databook that states that that Percentage of the Kyubbi's Chakra is LEAGUES above the 8Tails? Otherwise that's all HYPERBOLE to me.
Check the scale of Kisame's Water Prison.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/471/17/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/472/03/
So that's going to take awhile to do with the way oil moves in water. He's just going to kill himself quicker by exhausting his own air supply faster.
(try blowing out your mouth for 10 secs, so you'll understand what i mean by exerting your own supply, it DAMN sure woulddnt make sense to do that UNDERWATER.
Jiriya would croak over and die halfway through.
And even if he got enough oil out in his last dying breaths to kill Kisame too, the combo of ITACHI+KISAME wins anyway.
Because Itachi scoops up Naruto and goes home. Mission accomplished.
And I sure hope you dont think Kisame's going to sit back and just LET JMAN him spit out oil, do you?
Or is Jiriya going to form hand seals, blow out oil, all at the same time use taijutsu on a MUCH faster opponent who just happens to be a Fused SharkMonster who if you even TOUCH his body, he absorbs your chakra, the same chakra you're rapidly losing already because your trying to fill a 80 stories high water sphere bubble with oil before your rapidly decreasing oxygen air supply runs out so you can escape and then take on MS Sharingan Genius that's been waiting to hit you as soon as you exit while youre gasping for air?
Is that the gameplan?
If Jiriya can do all that in BASE mode, sht, Jiriya belongs in the 1st tier
Which Sage mode level attacks are we talking about?
I know he has a SAGE SUPER Rasengan.
But in order for him to use that he has to get close enough to Itachi (close quarters) to use it.
And that can be blocked by his Yata's Mirror without any damage to his Susanoo, and leaves Jiriya vunerable to a counterattack, since he's now in reach of the Totsuka Sword, which only has to GRAZE him.
Which also means he wont be using any Sage Taijutsu up close.
It's too risky.
It reminds me of that horrible Jennifer Lopez movie i saw (dont ask
) where her husband was abusing her, so she took boxing classes and came at him.And he said "Yeah, you may get some good shots in, BUT I ONLY HAVE TO HIT YOU ONCE, AND IT'S OVER., are you willing to take that chance?
And seeing how fast Itachi can swing that sowrd.......
So my mind is blank when it comes to long range SAGE MODE attacks Jiriya has, that are powerful enough to kill and bypass Susanoo and Yata's mirror, for the 5 minutes he has left in SAGE mode.
My mistake then, i thought you were saying Itachi's wasnt on his level/teir.
I'm done then.
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1st, yes, the Kyuubi(9 tails) is more powerful then the other Bijuus.
2nd, You say half the Kyuubi Chakra is sealed up. So 50% of the Kyuubi's power is at Naruto's disposal.
3rd, If Naruto is in 4Tailed form , then thats LESS then HALF somkewhere around less then 25% of the alloted 50%.
And that's LEAGUES more powerful then the 7 Tails?
Find me a Manga page or something in the Databook that states that that Percentage of the Kyubbi's Chakra is LEAGUES above the 7Tails? Otherwise that's all HYPERBOLE to me.
Check the scale of Kisame's Water Prison.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/471/17/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/472/03/
So that's going to take awhile to do with the way oil moves in water. He's just going to kill himself quicker by exhausting his own air supply faster.
(try blowing out your mouth for 10 secs, so you'll understand what i mean by exerting your own supply, it DAMN sure woulddnt make sense to do that UNDERWATER.
Jiriya would croak over and die halfway through.
And even if he got enough oil out in his last dying breaths to kill Kisame too, the combo of ITACHI+KISAME wins anyway.
Because Itachi scoops up Naruto and goes home. Mission accomplished.
And I sure hope you dont think Kisame's going to sit back and just LET JMAN him spit out oil, do you?
Or is Jiriya going to form hand seals, blow out oil, all at the same time use taijutsu on a MUCH faster opponent who just happens to be a Fused SharkMonster who if you even TOUCH his body, he absorbs your chakra, the same chakra you're rapidly losing already because your trying to fill a 80 stories high water sphere bubble with oil before your rapidly decreasing oxygen air supply runs out so you can escape and then take on MS Sharingan Genius that's been waiting to hit you as soon as you exit while youre gasping for air?
Is that the gameplan?
If Jiriya can do all that in BASE mode, sht, Jiriya belongs in the 1st tier
Which Sage mode level attacks are we talking about?
I know he has a SAGE SUPER Rasengan.
But in order for him to use that he has to get close enough to Itachi (close quarters) to use it.
And that can be blocked by his Yata's Mirror without any damage to his Susanoo, and leaves Jiriya vunerable to a counterattack, since he's now in reach of the Totsuka Sword, which only has to GRAZE him.
Which also means he wont be using any Sage Taijutsu up close.
It's too risky.
It reminds me of that horrible Jennifer Lopez movie i saw (dont ask
And he said "Yeah, you may get some good shots in, BUT I ONLY HAVE TO HIT YOU ONCE, AND IT'S OVER., are you willing to take that chance?
And seeing how fast Itachi can swing that sowrd.......
So my mind is blank when it comes to long range SAGE MODE attacks Jiriya has, that are powerful enough to kill and bypass Susanoo and Yata's mirror, for the 5 minutes he has left in SAGE mode.
My mistake then, i thought you were saying Itachi's wasnt on his level/teir.
I'm done then.
Jae bro your logic most times is sound, however, that logic can be used against you like a double edged sword, remember that not anyone can absorb Sage Chakra, if Jairiya was supposed to use Taijutsu against the Shark dude and he tried to absorb it it may kill him, remember what Naruto did against the Pein body, and it was also explained by Pa boy, as for the 9 tails Fox, this time, with that same logic I may have ceded to you your 'victory' but remember that the Chakra Demons are more powerful with the 'more tails that they have, even @ 50% power the 9 Tails is more powerful than the 7 Tails beast that Gaara possessed, hell even Killer Bee said that the 9 tails was way stronger than him, also the 9 tails is the last beast before the 10 that the Sage has, I'm too tired now to hunt down my proof but if you're going to research it please verify it for me also!
We were talking about BASE Jiriya.
He dosent have any Sage Chakra to absorb
He's was not in Sage Mode when Itachi and Kisame confronted him in the hallway.
And he's NOT going to pull off Sage Mode inside an underwater prison with his hands clasped together trying to fight a MUCH faster opponent with "feet Taijutsu", struggling for air, while at the same time losing chakra with every kick that may miraculously "land".
Not buying it.
(nowhere has it been proven that Jiriya can even fight underwater anyway)
Gaara's monster is the One-Tailed Shukaku.
the 7-Tailed Horned Beetle is sealed within Fū.
The Juubi (10 Tails) is just the COMBINATION of all of them together.
You cant compare the Beasts individually to the the Juubi
The 9 TAILS aka the Kyuubi is way stronger then him.
The WHOLE 9TAILS.
He didnt say LESS THEN HALF (which = to a 4tailed Naruto) OF 50% ( which = to a 9tailed Naruto) of the original Kyuubi's power (which=100%) is stronger then him.
Am i supposed to believe
Less then 25% 9Tail Power > 100% 8TAILS power?
1 tail difference cannot mean that much difference in power.
I'm not buying it
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We were talking about BASE Jiriya.
He's was not in SAGE mode when Itachi and Kisame confronted him in the hallway.
And he's NOT going to pull off Sage Mode inside an underwater prison with his hands clasped together trying to fight a MUCH faster opponent with "feet Taijutsu", struggling for air, while at the same time losing chakra with every kick that may miraculously "land".
Not buying it.
(nowhere has it been proven that Jiriya can even fight underwater anyway)
Gaara's monster is the One-Tailed Shukaku.
the 7-Tailed Horned Beetle is sealed within Fū.
The 9 TAILS aka the Kyuubi is way stronger then him.
The WHOLE 9TAILS.
He didnt say LESS THEN HALF (which = to a 4tailed Naruto) OF 50% ( which = to a 9tailed Naruto) of the original Kyuubi's power is stronger then him.
Am i supposed to believe
Less then 25% 9Tail Power > 100% 8TAILS power?
1 tail difference cannot mean that much difference in power.
I'm not buying it
Jae where were you man? Took long to reply to a brother
, seriously you're correct about the 'Base' Jiraiya vs the sage one, I apologize and I'd admit I mistook what you were saying for a moment, also another point to add concerning Jiraya Boy's abilities I know that he uses the inside of the Frog's mouth as one of his hiding spots, I'll assume that if he needs to go to 'Sage Mode' while under water he'll do it there, as for breathing under water, can't say but I'm certain that he'd have some technique for that, thanks for the updates on the sealed beasts, but we still don't know the Power Scale that the 9 Tails is on, your logic on Naruto using about 25% is sound, however we don't know what scale that 25% really is, as for your point about the 1 tail difference in Power, I'd say its alot, remember the fight between killer bee and Naruto against the 9 Tails, here we've got a Fox stripped down to 50% of its power against a FULL 8 TAILS chakra beast and those guys almost got their asses handed to them, by the way if I'm not mistaken, wasn't Naruto in Sage Mode when he was trying to suppress the Fox with Killer Bee?
,Jae where were you man? Took long to reply to a brother
was sleep, resting up, think i got the flu.
Kisame would kill that little frog in about .2 seconds because that frog is still visible in his "Water Prison".
And even if it wasnt visible, KisameShark form HUNTS by sensing Chakra.
And this brings me back to my original point earleir, when i asked
"Why would Itachi+Kisame RUN from Jiriya"
If their mission is to CAPTURE Naruto, And Kisame Shark Form can have Jiriya stalled and at a serious disadvantage inside his "Water Prison", why didnt Itachi realize he could just scoop up Naruto and head to base while those 2 fools go at it?
Why did Kishi have them running like bitches?
So either my theory that Itachi and Jiriya were working together is correct, or it's just sht storytelling by Kishi, by trying to HYPERBOLE Jiriya's strength/reputation as a character.
And how many years later and he's still doing the same thing
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I dont know why he just dosent let the damn fighting do the talking in this manga.
Stop the damn sensationalism.
Exactly, we dont know the power scale on ANY of the Tailed Beasts.
If the 9Tails is 3x stronger then the 8Tails, does that mean the 8 Tails is 3x stronger then the 7 Tails?
No.
All we know is that the number of tails tells us who's stronger.
We do not know by how much.
So we cant use the formula
"BASE Jiriya survived 4 Tailed 50% Kyuubi"
"Kyuubi is stronger then the 8Tails"
"So BASE Jiriya > 8 Tails"
I wouldnt put too much stock into a battle that happens inside someones mind to determine power levels, but still....
The 8 Tails was not using 100% of its power inside of Naruto's
Read the upper right panel
And Naruto was whooping the 9Tails ass by HIMSELF, you let me tell it. I dont even remember the Kyuubi getting a hit in.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/497/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/497/10-11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/499/08-09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/499/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/499/15/
Naruto only started to falter when he tried to ABSORB the 9Tails, I dont really count that as "Fighting" per se.
That's a "battle of wills" to me.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/497/13/
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Yeah, Kishi really messed up & overpowered Itachi at the time of his death by giving him the Totsuka Sword and the Yata Mirror.
I dont think he should have made those weapons in the first place.
The Totsuka Sword is just the "Death God" on wheels, with no consequences for using the "Death God" everybody else suffers who uses him.
And Kishi DAMN sure shouldnt have gave BOTH weapons to an already "top tier" S-Rank MS user.
That's really just overkill, when you consider how powerful MS users and techniques are.
Think about this, couldnt you say Itachi could defeat the REAL Kyuubi (not the one in Naruto) with the Totsuka sword, just by touching him with it?
Everybody except the 1st Hokage and a Uchiha who knows how to control the Kyuubi with the Sharingan, has to sacrifice their life in an encounter with the Kyuubi, but Kishi creates a sword that can stop it, which means it can STOP ANYONE, and then gives it to an MS user, along with a shield that can block any physical attack?
, little much?I think Kishi overpowered Itachi at the end like that, as a way of Fanservice to his Itachi/Uchiha fans that read the manga.
We know how much he loves his Uchiha's.
His reasoning probably was he knew he was going to kill off Itachi in the Sasuke fight, so hes not going to have any further consequence on the manga, so why not show him off with these new "cool" weapons. Weapons that will dissapear once he dies so they cant break the manga.
Yet he made this same Itachi run from a mere BASE Non Sage mode Jiriya in fear of his life.
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Yeah, Kishi really messed up & overpowered Itachi at the time of his death by giving him the Totsuka Sword and the Yata Mirror.
I dont think he should have made those weapons in the first place.
The Totsuka Sword is just the "Death God" on wheels, with no consequences for using the "Death God" everybody else suffers who uses him.
And Kishi DAMN sure shouldnt have gave BOTH weapons to an already "top tier" S-Rank MS user.
That's really just overkill, when you consider how powerful MS users and techniques are.
Think about this, couldnt you say Itachi could defeat the REAL Kyuubi (not the one in Naruto) with the Totsuka sword, just by touching him with it?
Everybody except the 1st Hokage and a Uchiha who knows how to control the Kyuubi with the Sharingan, has to sacrifice their life in an encounter with the Kyuubi, but Kishi creates a sword that can stop it, which means it can STOP ANYONE, and then gives it to an MS user, along with a shield that can block any physical attack?
I think Kishi overpowered Itachi at the end like that, as a way of Fanservice to his Itachi/Uchiha fans that read the manga.
We know how much he loves his Uchiha's.
His reasoning probably was he knew he was going to kill off Itachi in the Sasuke fight, so hes not going to have any further consequence on the manga, so why not show him off with these new "cool" weapons. Weapons that will dissapear once he dies so they cant break the manga.
Yet he made this same Itachi run from a mere BASE Non Sage mode Jiriya in fear of his life.
These writers bring you up just to take you down. I love Itachi, he was 1 of the best characters in the story. Absolutely! I don't understand at all how people can think of him as such a punk when it's just already been stated how badass he was, how feared he was by everyone and then to say he's never even gone all out in a fight! Because he's a damn pacifist! He's never REALLY trying to kill you or fight you for that matter! Just BAD!
Those weapons should be lost because there'd be to many people clamoring for them to be picked up and used. As a matter of fact can you explain to me what Sasuke is going to need with Itachi's eyes? I still never quite got that. What's the point? Itachi's eyes are more powerful?
He needs them for 2 reasons.
1. Sasuke was going Blind because he was using (Spamming) his MS techniques too much.
2. From the same quote above
That means EMS (Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan) is going to give him a power even GREATER then all these regular Mangekyō Sharingan attacks.
Amaterasu
Susanoo
Susanoo with the ability to have Ameratasu surrounding it for added protection.
Tsukuyomi
Izangi (ability to escape death)
Space/Time Jutsu
Kamui
So with Naruto about to turn into RikudouSenninJrKyuubiSrSonofthe4thFlashSageModeMasterEspadaHollowSuperSayain6 by the end of the Manga the way things are shaping up, Sasuke needs to be at least as strong so they can have thier epic battle,
He's going to need whatever that "secret power" that EMS gives you to be able to compete.
So with all that is happening thus far with Naruto gaining the body of the Rikudou Sennin & Sasuke about to get his brother's eyes... how many think that the series' end is nigh? I do. I really don't see how much longer this can be dragged out. Next, fight between Sasuke & Naruto & Madara (Kabuto/Orochimaru has to be dealt with too & well as that plant guy whose name I forget... and Kisame who is still undetected by Killerbee). Shoot to future where state of villages after aforementioned confrontation(s) are shown years later.
Probably 2 more years.
Naruto is a cash cow.
I'm under the impression "Madara" (If Tobi really IS Madara) will be the final villian. But at the power level Madara is now right now, it would be kind of a let down.
There's too much mystery surrounding him and if he actually achieves his goal, he would most likely be above SuperSaiyin Naruto in power. Naruto needs a final villian stronger then him.
So I say Madara is successful in his "Moon's eye Plan" by bringing back the 10 Tails with him as the Host.
Which means somehow Madara gets the 9Tails out of Naruto. (The 9Tails did vow revenge when Naruto stole his chakra)
Through KISHI magic as he did with Gaara, somehow Naruto will survive losing the 9tails.
Naruto & Sasuke have their little love spat in which Naruto beats some sense into him, they team up (Sasuke told Itachi he wanted to kill Madara next anyway) and take on the Madara/Juubi reincarnation.
Sasuke dies during the eventual battle, and in the end Naruto defeats Madara/Juubi and saves everyone.
5 Reasons i think it will end this way.
It's not how i would end it, but we have to think like Kishi.
1) It allows Kishi too redeem his favorite character Sasuke and make him a martyr. Up until now, he hasnt really killed anybody that would be missed (Diedra,"Kind of Oro",Danzo).
The world will see that Sasuke still had a heart, and chose to not only help his friends in the end and follow his brothers wishes, but save the world.
2) It closes the chapter on the Sasuke/Naruto love story in a Kishi like way. Naruto can finally have closure that he was able to Talk No Jutsu his friend back. Kishi's been beating us over the head with this "I will never give up on you Sasuke, and as long as i never give up and believe in myself, i can do anything, it's my ninja way" mission he has Naruto on.
3) The other villages (since they're all United at the moment and on the same side) will see Hokage Naruto as a Hero and admire and listen to him not only for saving the world, but for his ideals. So in the end, Naruto will have the answer to Peins question about bringing about "Peace". It's been an uderlying theme through the whole manga on how he's going to achieve that.
4) Naruto fufilling his role as the "Child of prophecy".
If you remember, the Great Toad Sage made a prophecy concerning Jiraiya: that he would someday choose whether one of his students saved or destroyed the world.
Jiriya installed his "Gutsy Ninja" ideals into Naruto.
Naruto defeats the 10Tails/Juubi and saves the world.
Naruto = Child of prophecy
5) The Naruto=Rikudou Senninn comparisons Kishi's been hinting at.
Rikudou Sennin saved the world from the Juubi as only he could,
as will Naruto will save the world from the Juubi as only he can.
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You know what is sad, I believe the 'end' will be the redemption for Sasuke, we know that 'MADARA' is going to turn on him, by allowing the 'New Orochimaru' to have him/kill him, Naruto will try to save his 'boy crush' which may make him get captured, and Sasuke will turn back to the 'good side', probably from some begging by Naruto to see the 'error' of his ways, much like when Luke Skywalker begged his father Vader to help him. Now something that we should remember here, even though at this moment Sasuke is strong, especially after getting his brothers eyes, have we forgotten that his brother gave Naruto some 'Ninja Tech' as well, anyone wants to take a guess what that is, cause it seems much like his 'gift' which will only be activated probably when he sees the Sharigan like when Sasuke sees Madara's face, what do you'll think?
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you guys are really going at it over this.
Jiriya vs Itachi..
Jiriya would auto summon the frogs(ma and Pa), any genjitsu is useless. Sage mode would last forever, because one of the frogs is always gathering natural energy. So Jiriya would not use his own charka. There is no time limit with the frogs attached on how long sage mode can be used.
itachi's only saving grace would probably be susanno. Jiriya would use all summons in a battle with itachi to divert attention from him as he plans. However susanno can be defeated with frog song, or with a reverse summon via an expendable toad tag.
however itachi is far more craftier than Jiriya. He is kinda like batman in the naruto world.
Jiriya vs Itachi..
Jiriya would auto summon the frogs(ma and Pa), any genjitsu is useless. Sage mode would last forever, because one of the frogs is always gathering natural energy. So Jiriya would not use his own charka. There is no time limit with the frogs attached on how long sage mode can be used.
itachi's only saving grace would probably be susanno. Jiriya would use all summons in a battle with itachi to divert attention from him as he plans. However susanno can be defeated with frog song, or with a reverse summon via an expendable toad tag.
however itachi is far more craftier than Jiriya. He is kinda like batman in the naruto world.
I haven't forgetten that. I brought it up a couple of times in the past. It will nullify anything Sasuke tries. Only at that point Sasuke's eyes will be opened wide enough to come to the realization that Naruto actually wants to help his dumb ass... after all this nonsense. I just can't see this story going on for too much longer unless it is draaaaaaaaaged out.
Guess we will see though...Would be kinda messed up if the Uchiha were to end with Sasuke. I don't see that happening unless Sasuke were to knock up Sakura (her dream... lol) & an Uchiha were to be born.
Midnight Studio Comics said:
Yep.
That's also why Pein is such a bad Matchup for Itachi.
Itachi's more of a 1 on 1 fighter.
1 vs 6/7 (Konan) is a bit much.
Midnight Studio Comics said:
He still needs time to go into HIS OWN Sage Mode with his hands clasped together to make the "infinity Sage Mode" first.
If he needed to buy some time for that, he wouldve used a Boss summon.
It's implied here
Jiriya said:
Otherwise why not just auto summon MA/PA right away. He summoned the current Boss summon in like 2 secs. He went into Sage Mode first and then called up MA/PA.
Which takes away for the time being his best attack,FROG SONG.Midnight Studio Comics said:
Only?Midnight Studio Comics said:
Sage Mode is vunerable to BOTH Ameratasu and the Totsuka Sword.
Susanoo is more then strong enough to take on his Sage Mode punches and kicks (Taijutsu).
If Animal Realm is powerful enough to block his punch with ONE Hand, they'll be like Ant bites to Susanoo.
The YATA Mirror will block all Jiriyas other Ninjutsu specials.
Because the YATA MIRROR
is basically "Preta Path/Pein's" power,
True, he'll buy himself time to plan. It wont be much though.
Those 3 Boss summons will be at a huge disadvantage.
The bigger you are (and there huge), the easier it is to TOUCH you with the Totsuka Sword. And Itachi can swing that faster then reaction time aka "before you even know you're hit"
And that was worn down Itachi, with probably like about 10% chakra left. He died soon after that, by himself, doing nothing.
? Not sure what the bold means.
That's the thing, there's so many varibles & hypotheticals in an Itachi/Jiriya battle, there's a counter and counter argument to everything they both can pull off against each other.
That's why with both of their powers, it's never a definitive statement on who would win.
I cant say that with, say, Itachi vs Oro.
Oro has no counter for Itachi's Tsukuyomi/MS. Oro was even defeated by Sasuke's mere Regular Sharingan Genjustsu.
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What was the tech J man used where the whole room turned into a frogs stomach? Yet itachi used ameratsu just in time before the room sealed completely. Another thing I think they explained it in the anime versus the book. Naruto running and using sage mode right before he encountered Nagato.
And Naruto did beat sum one major without the help of the fox. but he can no longer really use that tech.
And Naruto did beat sum one major without the help of the fox. but he can no longer really use that tech.
You talking about Pain? If so, that tech you are referring to, the fuuton shuriken rasengan can be used only when he is in sage mode... until Kishi writes something different. I know the tech you are talking about that Jiraiya used when trying to trap Itachi & Kisame. I forgot the name though. I'm sure someone here remembers.
I believe its Ninpou Gamaguchi Shibari
Summoning: Toad Mouth Bind
Midnight Studio Comics said:
You either mean Pein or Kakazu.
He had major help (from the fox) in both.
He recieved all the help in the world in that fight against Kakazu.
Team 10, Kakashi, Yamoto, Naruto vs Kakazu
Kakashi and Team 10 took out 2 hearts before Naruto arrived.
AND Naruto was given intel on his enemy from the jump on what to do
AND he used the Fox's power to make shuriken rasengan (the attack that killed Kakazu),not once
But 2wice
AND Kakashi saved his life when he missed that attack the first time
against Pein, the moon and the stars had to align in just the right way for Naruto to have a chance against him.
- Nagato had already spent alot of chakra before the fight began vs Naruto with that village crushing Shinra Tensei.
- Naruto was allowed to START OFF the battle in SAGE Mode through Ma's summoning. Plus he had 3 Sage clones chillin waiting to be summoned beforehand.
- Naruto had Intel about all the Peins bodies
- the most poowerful Pein, Deva Realm, who couldve defeated ALL Naruto's summons in one move (like he did later on), couldnt fight until halfway through the battle.
-Naruto wouldve been captured if not for the Fox power exploding out to free him from Pein's chakra rods.
-Nagato spent almost all his chakra on fighting/ Chibaku Tensei just to contain the 7 tails. Konan warned him not to use Chibaku Tensei while fighting the 9tails.
KONAN said:
Pein looks like he's about to pass out and die from exhaustion from trying to control/fight the fox.
look at the bottom panel
he didnt look like that, with blood coming out his mouth, panting, nodding off and about to keel over, from fighting Sage Naruto.
(This is one chapter before the above)
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^^^ This is my single biggest gripe with Naruto in this whole series. With the exception of maybe the chuunin exams, he has yet to beat an opponent 1 on 1 and with no outside help. The shit drives me crazy. All the other superior ninjas in the series have had to figure out their opponent's weakness while fighting them and good ol' Naruto STILL has not had to do that yet. And don't even get me started on him spamming that gotdamn rasengan.
Summoning: Toad Mouth Bind
You either mean Pein or Kakazu.
He had major help in both.
My Boy Jae,
He recieved all the help in the world in that fight against Kakazu.
Team 10, Kakashi, Yamoto, Naruto vs Kakazu
Kakashi and Team 10 took out 2 hearts before Naruto arrived.
AND Naruto was given intel on his enemy from the jump on what to do
AND he used the Fox's power to make shuriken rasengan (the attack that killed Kakazu),not once
But 2wice
AND Kakashi saved his life when he missed that attack the first time
against Pein, the moon and the stars had to align in just the right way for Naruto to have a chance against him.
- Nagato had already spent alot of chakra before the fight began vs Naruto with that village crushing Shinra Tensei.
- Naruto was allowed to START OFF the battle in SAGE Mode through Ma's summoning. Plus he had 3 Sage clones chillin waiting to be summoned beforehand.
- Naruto had Intel about all the Peins bodies
- the most poowerful Pein, Deva Realm, who couldve defeated ALL Naruto's summons in one move (like he did later on), couldnt fight until halfway through the battle.
-Naruto wouldve been captured if not for the Fox power exploding out to free him from Pein's chakra rods.
-Nagato spent almost all his chakra on fighting/ Chibaku Tensei just to contain the 7 tails. Konan warned him not to use Chibaku Tensei while fighting the 9tails.
Pein looks like he's about to pass out and die from exhaustion from trying to control/fight the fox.
look at the bottom panel
he didnt look like that, with blood coming out his mouth, panting, nodding off and about to keel over, from fighting Sage Naruto.
(This is one chapter before the above)
I'm sorry guyz can't focus right now on our discussion here, because of the ocking that 'DA Con' is getting here http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=511812&page=89, 89 pages can you believe that shit lawd oui feeling bad for that thief, anyways Jae quick question bro, but what's the beef you've got with Naruto San bro ?
^^^ This is my single biggest gripe with Naruto in this whole series. With the exception of maybe the chuunin exams, he has yet to beat an opponent 1 on 1 and with no outside help. The shit drives me crazy. All the other superior ninjas in the series have had to figure out their opponent's weakness while fighting them and good ol' Naruto STILL has not had to do that yet. And don't even get me started on him spamming that gotdamn rasengan.
Now your statements/observations I can agree with Alumni my other 'gripe' would be the fact that Kishi just loves to hype up his 'Super Ninja' Clan the Uchichas to the point that they're the Uber Gods of the Ninja Society, if that's the case, just simply kill off the main character and focus on the side piece
Explain what "without" means.
He used the 9tails chakra to make shuriken rasengan, which killed Kakazu
He used the 9tails chakra (unconsciously) to escape being captured, and then wore down Pein (in 7-8tail form) to the point where he was so exhausted and tired, he was coughing up blood?
Then finished Pein on his deathbed in Sage Mode?
, no beef.Accomplishment wise, dude has had alot of help in his battles.
It is what it is. I'm not blaming him for that.
But Character wise, heck, Naruto was my favorite character when i first started watching the show. Back when it was about training his ass off and trying to accomplish his dream of being Hokage. I loved when everybody laughed & doubted him and thought he was weak (especially the Neji fight), then he'd pull the fox out on their ass and be like "surprise btches!"
But ever since part 2, Kishi emasculated him to the point of being annoying now.
All he does is cry and complain over Sasuke just about every panel. Kishi took the "fun" out of his character, and relegated his character to being about traveling around the globe to "bring back sauske".
Man FCK Sasuke, worry about these Akatsuki villians.
I mean cmon, this is the same Sauske we've seen tell him TIME & TIME again to "FCK OFF".
Sasuke just tried to kill Sakura/Kakashi......and Naruto still on that BS talking about " Nah, he aint really mean that sht"
Sht, Sakura was trying to GIVE him the pssy,
and he was like, nah, that Sasuke's, i couldnt do that too him. Could you imagine Naruto saying some sht like that in part one
If you notice, Naruto's MAIN motivation for Kyuubi trainig was to "fight to the death" Sauske.
What happened to trying to be Hokage and protect your village?
Stop Madara and em' from taking over the world?
The damn plot is secondary to getting sasuke back.
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