If Manning & Brady = Magic & Bird of NFL, who will be the NFL Michael Jordan?
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You can say the same thing about Montana if it wasnt for Jerry Rice catching the game winning touchdowns against Cincinnati both times.........I dont understand your logic with Brady because he still had to bring them down the field for Adam to kick the winning field goal and kicking a 48 and 41 yard fg isnt easy especially when the kicker is kicking on the right and left hash of the field.
Does he deserve to get the credit for the win.......I would agree but so does Tom Brady for bring them down the field with an average offense....
Nope. Montana played with a plethora of receivers...
Incorrect. The first Superbowl matchup between the 9ers and Bengals took place in 1982. Rice was still in college. The 9ers won 26-21. The second macthup took place in 1989 (88 Niners). While Jerry won the MVP, it was John Taylor who caught the game winning TD with seconds left on the clock.
Rex Grossman proved that ANY QB can drive a team in to field goal range. If the Kicker kicks the game winning score, then it is the kicker who deserves the win...
we'll see what manning does over the rest of his career, if he matches montana for rings, I know his #'s will blow montanas out the water & then i'll give him the nod
Vick was a BUST, not another Jordan.
One player can't dominate the NFL the way he can the NBA. Another Jordan isn't possible.
Vick was a BUST, not another Jordan.
One player can't dominate the NFL the way he can the NBA. Another Jordan isn't possible.
well honestly when it comes to football it pretty hard to decide whos the one greatest, theres no such thing in my opinion
because in footbll one player cant dominate the whole game like in basketball or hockey
Barry sanders is agreat running back, but peyton manning isnt
peyton mannin is a great qb but barry sanders isnt
if peyton doesnt throw the ball, he cant control the outcome, if barry sanders doesn get the picth he doesnt control the outcome
i think in football all u can do is compare them by positions, thats as far as it can go
cuz how can one say "i think barry sanders was a better football player than
joe montana, it cant be done, it shouldnt be said, vice versa
there is no way to compare a RB to a QB, non have nothing to do with the other
in basketball its mostly about individual performance
But this is a better example...
And he would have been it if the Bears didn't fuck up and move him to receiver full-time and as a #1
Even got the #23 on...and reppin the Chi...
we'll see what manning does over the rest of his career, if he matches montana for rings, I know his #'s will blow montanas out the water & then i'll give him the nod
There are a lot of QBs with better numbers than Joe, however none of them were as clutch as Joe. Peyton's choked too many times to be considered with the all time greats. He's too good a QB not to have more rings.
Montana had 2 rings before Rice joined the team...
As for Brady, if you go back to the super bowl here in Houston. Kasay kicked the OT kickoff out of bounds. Pats started overtime with the ball @ the 40, 2 completions later & Vinateri puts it away. At some point people are going to have to quit calling those NE offenses "average" & call them efficient. The biggest knock on them is they weren't star studded, but hell they got 3 titles as opposed to the offense Brady has now with 0. Maybe it was just the cameras
So where you put Brady?
FAVRE
I don't. Brady reminds me of Troy Aikman. Efficient, but not a big game QB. Just as Troy had Emmit to finish off drives, Brady had Veneteri. On top of that he lost the biggest game in NFL history, and their overall playoff run in that year was unimpressive.
Peyton Manning > Brady
Eli Manning > Brady
Nigga please.
Still rolling with with Deion as the closest thing to a Jordonesque NFL player who could play all sides of the ball and be dominant.
Dieon was a GREAT RETURN MAN but anytime he faced high caliber receivers he got abused like a red headed step child. Deion played great against mediocre talent.
Give Josh Cribbs the same amount of seasons that some of the vet NFL players already mentioned have and his name will stand alone as one of the greatest to ever set foot on the field to play!
I am comparing dominance on both sides of the ball. Deion never really got enough touches on offense, so lets use Special Teams and his play on defense. He was a threat either way you look at it. Jordan was a beast offensively and was a great defender. Basketball players play both sides. Football players usually don't, but the closest comparison (In my opinion) when looking at an NFL Player would be one of Deion's caliber. No player plays Ironman (offense and defense) in football, but the things Deion could do were great. There is npo way any player could dominate the game of football the way Jordan dominated the NBA, but Deion could have been the one.
Troy dissected them 49ers more than a few times didn't he?!? Not that he's in the GOAT discussion, but it shouldn't be held against him that Jimmy built a great team around him...he was the #1 overall pick, a team is suppose to be built so that he can drive them to a championship. Aikman did that...
Elway is greater than Montana, and yes Vick was going to change the game. He was going to be the first QB to throw for 3000 and run for a 1000. Thats changing the game right there.
Tom Brady 14-3 with 3 SuperBowls rings
Peyton Manning 9-8 1 SuperBowl ring
Eli Manning 4-2 1 SuperBowl ring
So you telling Eli and Peyton is better than Tom Brady when he won more playoff games and won more Superbowl rings than them combine....that makes no sense at all....
If want to make an argument that Tom had Vinatieri......What about Peyton Manning he had a Hall of Famer reciever,good tight end,good second reciever, and good running back but only produced one title
Same goes for Eli he had a really good receiver,two running back and a great defense to help him win the SuperBowl..
I dont understand why you got so much hate for Tom Brady when he never had the offense to win this Superbowl's compare to both Manning brothers and Troy Aikman....
Troy dissected them 49ers more than a few times didn't he?!? Not that he's in the GOAT discussion, but it shouldn't be held against him that Jimmy built a great team around him...he was the #1 overall pick, a team is suppose to be built so that he can drive them to a championship. Aikman did that...
In The first 2 NFC Championships encounters the 9ers had horrible corners. I mean HORRIBLE. They were some of the worst DBs I've ever seen, and this is coming from a 9er fan. Eric Davis and Tyrone Drakeford were getting abused by Alvin Harper. Hell, you can blame them 2 niggas for us not winning at least one of those 2 encounters.
In 94 the 9ers brought in Dieon for the sole purpose of covering Harper, and that he did. And in that 94 NFC Chamionship game Troy got sacked 6 times, knocked down 22 times and suffered a fractured rib. Dallas got they asses WHOOPED that day. With that said, Aikman, Johnson and Novechek are the only ones who got my respect cuz while Troy was covered in mud and blood, HE DIDN'T QUIT like Emmit, Irvin, and Harper.
Tom Brady 14-3 with 3 SuperBowls rings
Peyton Manning 9-8 1 SuperBowl ring
Eli Manning 4-2 1 SuperBowl ring
So you telling Eli and Peyton is better than Tom Brady when he won more playoff games and won more Superbowl rings than them combine....that makes no sense at all....
If want to make an argument that Tom had Vinatieri......What about Peyton Manning he had a Hall of Famer reciever,good tight end,good second reciever, and good running back but only produced one title
Same goes for Eli he had a really good receiver,two running back and a great defense to help him win the SuperBowl..
I dont understand why you got so much hate for Tom Brady when he never had the offense to win this Superbowl's compare to both Manning brothers and Troy Aikman....
Tom Brady is the "Gladstone Duck" of the NFL. He has to be the luckiest muthafucka in NFL history. The infamous "tuck" rule, Bledsoe bailing him out in the first AFC Championship game, Adam Veneteri WINNING those 2 Superbowls. A QB gets full credit for a win when he either 1) runs the ball in himself or 2) THROWS the ball to his RECEIVERS LIKE HE'S SUPPOSE TO DO. If your kicker kicks the game winning score, then it is the kicke who deserves the credit, NOT THE QB. If the QB wants credit, then he either THROWS the touchdown (Like Montana did back in the day) or runs the ball in.
Aikman ass couldn't quit, those pick 6s is what had our asses down 14 outta the 21 points MI fumbled the other 7. He did fight like a mofo though, that was a legendary game. Deion made a helluva play & Switzer lost his mind sealing our fate. That's still the most painful loss ever. After that, no loss hurts. We had history right there!! We were destined for 4 straight
Put the crackpipe down.
Aikman ass couldn't quit, those pick 6s is what had our asses down 14 outta the 21 points MI fumbled the other 7. He did fight like a mofo though, that was a legendary game. Deion made a helluva play & Switzer lost his mind sealing our fate. That's still the most painful loss ever. After that, no loss hurts. We had history right there!! We were destined for 4 straight
Hey, I hate Dallas with a passion but I'm objective enough to recognize that they were amongst the all time greats. Any one of the 91-92 Dallas teams could whoop ANY team of THIS ERA with ease.
Cunningham basically already did that back in 1990. along with 30 TD passes. Vick only came close to passing for 3,000 yards once (and he didn't run for 1,000 yards that year), nevermind throwing 30 TDs.
There's nothing special about rushing for 1,000 yards as a QB when you can't pass worth a damn.
Aikman>>>>>Brady
Marino>>>>>Everybody except Manning if he wins.
Marino>>>>>Everybody except Manning if he wins.
Not only that, but the 49ers of that era could too. GB was building a power...could just be me, but I liked the NFL back then more than now. That "parity" shit ruined the league & expansion watered it down a bit. Jerry & Eddie set the standard for being a owner, Snider came into the game a tadbit late or his tactics would've worked early to mid 90s.
All Im saying is how can you put both Manning brothers ahead of Brady when they had a better offense and only produce one SuperBowl each......especially Peyton...He had the same cast of players for years and only produce one SuperBowl...
If Tom Brady is lucky what do you call Ben Roethlisberger I mean he had help from the referees in his first SuperBowl win against Seattle
I dont understand why you blame Brady for the tuck rule....I mean come on now...Instead of blaming him for that rule blame the NFL for that...
If you think Aikman is better than Brady you is a fool because he had a great offensive line, a Hall of Fame receiver and running back, a great tight end,and a great second receiver to throw to.......Tom Brady never had most of that and still won 3 Superbowls
Elway and Montana are better than Marino.........
"Montana (who's 4-0 in Super Bowls, with 12 TDs and O INTs)."
Good point
Good point
Maybe that kid from Oregon that played QB and ended up hurting himself with a few games left into his senior year, Dickson I believe.
Or maybe VY.
Or maybe VY.
Huh????
Based on what???
Based on skill. Kinda like my personal Madden rating: arm strength, accuracy, etc. Championships are important but not the end all imo especially in a team sport. I hypothetically put each player on a team where all their team mates and opponents were equally matched robots, and I think Marino and Manning are the most skilled qbs. The perfect example is Wilt and Russell. Yea Russell has 11 and even beat Wilt head up a few times, but there is no doubt in my mind Wilt is a better baller.