Mayweather vs. Mosley-Who Wins?
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Boxingscene might have had it but I would have to ask if it was Campbell that said they called him or that he wanted the fight (like in the Malignaggi and Hatton).
Stewart really just said aloud what most trainers just say behind closed doors. In each of those cases, the losing fighter didn't just lose, he looked bad doing it. That's a deadly thing to a career and Shane, in particular, may have hurt his money earning potential in having such bad performances.
I agree with you totally, this is the era of "what have you done lately"? Shane was looked at as finished after that second Winky loss. I think it definitely hurt his earning potential. But I also say that fans and the media are too enamored with zero-loss records, it hurts prospects coming up too. Look how many people said Juan MAnuel Lopez was NOT the real deal after having a hard fight with Mtagawa. If you ask me, it's exactly what Juan Ma needed. Every young fighter needs a "trial by fire" type of fight while they're coming up, it lets you know what they're truly made of and more importantly, lets them know. Dude showed mad heart in staying on his feet those last 2 rounds. But in this era, coming through a tough performance like that means that you "looked bad" and you're value drops. Styles make fights about 99% of the time. Mtagawa's style coupled with Juan Ma's having to starch himself to make 122 combined for a bad night for Juan. Does it mean that he is any less of a prospect? Absolutely not. Just like Gamboa running through Mtagawa like he did means nothing. Gamboa has also been dropped four times against journeyman quality opposition. That doesn't mean anything either. It's like fighters are getting penalized for being fighters. Taking on big challenges even if they lose. It's almost enuff to get me interested in MMA.(JK!)
It's a travesty that a guy like Kelly Pavlik is STILL the fucking middleweight champion even though he's plainly ducked guys like Paul Williams and Arthur Abraham. He gets props for being undefeated in his weight class. Ridiculous. That kind of thinking and perception is part of what is killing boxing. Old men like Tarver, Johnson and Roy Jones getting big fights at light heavy when young talents like Chad Dawson and Tavoris Cloud could have fought twice already. Also, these stupid fucking catch weight fights should be done away with as well.
BTW. How long do you guys think it'll be before Williams is fighting at 168. I'd love to see an Abraham/Williams matchup. Those 2 styles couldn't be more different. I think it'd be interesting. Not to mention Williams would also have Ward and Dirrel at the same weight as possible future opponents. Never was a fan of Williams but he showed mad heart and determination against Martinez and I'd like to keep seeing him fight upper class talents.
man, pbf needs to listen to his lawyers and shut up. Lol, dude is funny. what people don't really know that training and the right promoter gets you from a good to p4p fighter. you can be great unless you get fights that people see. To me PBF is telling the world he is scared of dude. If Manny wasn't kicking as then he would ask about PEDS. funny.
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Even An Old Mosley Is Better Than Any Fighter Mayweather's Fought
By Frank Lotierzo
As was stated here shortly after Floyd Mayweather Jr. beat Juan Manuel Marguez, Mosley-Mayweather just might be realized. That's great news and despite Shane being more rusty than Floyd, their names together make for a super-fight worthy of the monumental attention it will garner.
The history of Mosley 46-5 (39) and Mayweather 40-0 (25) and how they've conducted their careers is an open book to most boxing observers. Most know that Mosley will jump at the chance to share a ring with Mayweather. The only question is will Mayweather agree to the fight without making any ridiculous demands at the negotiating table to hold up the fight?
For the sake of argument purposes I'm going to assume that Floyd will take the fight and not try to gain a monumental advantage via any pre-fight conditions. Of course it will be said that Mayweather is only taking the fight because Mosley will be nearing his 39th birthday and will have been out of the ring almost 18 months by the time the fight comes off, an argument I won't dismiss. However, other than Floyd fighting Pacquiao, Mosley is the next best fight for him to take.
It will be said by Floyd's fans that even if he beats Mosley he won't get his due because it's an older Shane that he fought. Well, isn't that the truth? Who's fault is it that Mayweather has waited so long to actually fight Mosley? Obviously Mayweather is much closer to his prime than Mosley is his. Until Mosley convincingly beat Antonio Margarito a year ago he was viewed as a fighter on the decline. Suddenly after Margarito he's the Mosley of 2000. Wrong. However, his new trainer Nazeem Richardson looks to have given Shane an infusion and he fought one of the more complete fights of his career versus Margarito.
The fact is Mayweather is at a point where it's almost impossible for him to silence his critics such as myself. Even if he beat Pacquiao and Mosley in his next two fights, he will have scored his best wins over a former flyweight champ and a welterweight who first won the title a full decade ago. That aside, a win over Pacquiao and Mosley would add to Floyd's legacy and his standing historically would be in better stead than had he never fought them.
That said, there is one thing that everyone is missing if Mayweather does in fact fight Mosley sometime before the end of this summer. And that is Mosley at almost 39 is still a much more formidable opponent than any other fighter Mayweather has fought in his 40 pro-bout career.
All one has to do is look at Floyd's record and it's easy to conclude that even an old Mosley is a much harder go than the Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir, Oscar De La Hoya or Ricky Hatton that Mayweather fought circa 2006-07. Unless Shane ages before our eyes the night he fights Floyd, he's a better boxer and puncher and is physically stronger and mentally tougher than all of the before mentioned fighters. And Mayweather very well could have something to do with Mosley aging before our eyes.
If Mosley-Mayweather or Mayweather-Mosley comes off, Mayweather has to be thought of as being the favorite. From a style vantage-point Floyd holds the advantage, especially against a Mosley who's lost some speed and doesn't have the same legs he did when he was of his vintage form. Both Mayweather and Mosley are counter-punchers and like to bring their opponent to them. The fighter who is forced to change their role in the fight will be the one who is at the disadvantage. And that will be Mosley.
Once Mosley squares off with Floyd, Shane will be forced to fight as the attacker and puncher. That isn't him at his best and works to Mayweather's advantage. Floyd's quicker hands will allow him to time Mosley and break off the exchanges when he wants to. Mosley will have to somehow find a way to work inside and assert his physical strength over Mayweather, something that shouldn't be a herculean task for even a 39 year old Mosley.
Prime-vs-prime I'd go with Mosley in a heartbeat. However, in 2010 I'd take Mayweather to win a decision with him having to escape a few rough patches along the way. One thing Mosley has going for him now: Nazeem Richardson is a good fight strategist, and a guy who knows how to talk to fighters, something the 30 year old Mosley wouldn't have had.
Forget about the fact that if the fight happens Mayweather won't be meeting Mosley at his best, Shane is still better and more of a threat to beat Mayweather than any other fighter Floyd has ever been in the ring with.
I'm not sure a decision win over Mosley propels Mayweather that much higher historically, but it has to be considered his signature win. And any fighter who beats Mosley must get his props. So if Mayweather wins - no, he's still not Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns or Roberto Duran, but he closes the gap that now exist.
By Frank Lotierzo
As was stated here shortly after Floyd Mayweather Jr. beat Juan Manuel Marguez, Mosley-Mayweather just might be realized. That's great news and despite Shane being more rusty than Floyd, their names together make for a super-fight worthy of the monumental attention it will garner.
The history of Mosley 46-5 (39) and Mayweather 40-0 (25) and how they've conducted their careers is an open book to most boxing observers. Most know that Mosley will jump at the chance to share a ring with Mayweather. The only question is will Mayweather agree to the fight without making any ridiculous demands at the negotiating table to hold up the fight?
For the sake of argument purposes I'm going to assume that Floyd will take the fight and not try to gain a monumental advantage via any pre-fight conditions. Of course it will be said that Mayweather is only taking the fight because Mosley will be nearing his 39th birthday and will have been out of the ring almost 18 months by the time the fight comes off, an argument I won't dismiss. However, other than Floyd fighting Pacquiao, Mosley is the next best fight for him to take.
It will be said by Floyd's fans that even if he beats Mosley he won't get his due because it's an older Shane that he fought. Well, isn't that the truth? Who's fault is it that Mayweather has waited so long to actually fight Mosley? Obviously Mayweather is much closer to his prime than Mosley is his. Until Mosley convincingly beat Antonio Margarito a year ago he was viewed as a fighter on the decline. Suddenly after Margarito he's the Mosley of 2000. Wrong. However, his new trainer Nazeem Richardson looks to have given Shane an infusion and he fought one of the more complete fights of his career versus Margarito.
The fact is Mayweather is at a point where it's almost impossible for him to silence his critics such as myself. Even if he beat Pacquiao and Mosley in his next two fights, he will have scored his best wins over a former flyweight champ and a welterweight who first won the title a full decade ago. That aside, a win over Pacquiao and Mosley would add to Floyd's legacy and his standing historically would be in better stead than had he never fought them.
That said, there is one thing that everyone is missing if Mayweather does in fact fight Mosley sometime before the end of this summer. And that is Mosley at almost 39 is still a much more formidable opponent than any other fighter Mayweather has fought in his 40 pro-bout career.
All one has to do is look at Floyd's record and it's easy to conclude that even an old Mosley is a much harder go than the Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir, Oscar De La Hoya or Ricky Hatton that Mayweather fought circa 2006-07. Unless Shane ages before our eyes the night he fights Floyd, he's a better boxer and puncher and is physically stronger and mentally tougher than all of the before mentioned fighters. And Mayweather very well could have something to do with Mosley aging before our eyes.
If Mosley-Mayweather or Mayweather-Mosley comes off, Mayweather has to be thought of as being the favorite. From a style vantage-point Floyd holds the advantage, especially against a Mosley who's lost some speed and doesn't have the same legs he did when he was of his vintage form. Both Mayweather and Mosley are counter-punchers and like to bring their opponent to them. The fighter who is forced to change their role in the fight will be the one who is at the disadvantage. And that will be Mosley.
Once Mosley squares off with Floyd, Shane will be forced to fight as the attacker and puncher. That isn't him at his best and works to Mayweather's advantage. Floyd's quicker hands will allow him to time Mosley and break off the exchanges when he wants to. Mosley will have to somehow find a way to work inside and assert his physical strength over Mayweather, something that shouldn't be a herculean task for even a 39 year old Mosley.
Prime-vs-prime I'd go with Mosley in a heartbeat. However, in 2010 I'd take Mayweather to win a decision with him having to escape a few rough patches along the way. One thing Mosley has going for him now: Nazeem Richardson is a good fight strategist, and a guy who knows how to talk to fighters, something the 30 year old Mosley wouldn't have had.
Forget about the fact that if the fight happens Mayweather won't be meeting Mosley at his best, Shane is still better and more of a threat to beat Mayweather than any other fighter Floyd has ever been in the ring with.
I'm not sure a decision win over Mosley propels Mayweather that much higher historically, but it has to be considered his signature win. And any fighter who beats Mosley must get his props. So if Mayweather wins - no, he's still not Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns or Roberto Duran, but he closes the gap that now exist.
That's what I was saying earlier. Glad to see somebody was feeling me.
Don't see it happening in the near future. Williams looks to be a solid middleweight but he'd be a small super middleweight. Now he may fill out more as he ages, plus he'd have more experience against middleweight punchers. But with him even intimating that he has interest in fighting at welter again (who wouldn't? that's where the money is right now) I doubt he feels he can carry the weight.
All of that may change in a year or five.
Word. I felt everything Floyd was saying except that horseshit about him just wanting to "clean up sports period". That shit actually made me chuckle.
But dude is completely right, except I think he and alot of people may be making a bit much about Pacs accomplishments. Example:Pacman beat the shit out of Barrera in their first fight. Fact. But also a fact is that Barrera always had problems with fast, hard hitting leftys. Junior Jones was able to beat him up twice. PAc also had the benefit of fighting Barrera after Marco had already had a bunch of wars against world class fighters and been fighting since 15 years old. Again in the two Morales rematches we already know what caused Erik to look terrible in those 2 fights. But even diminished as he was, he was able to beat Pacman in their first fight.
Marquez after being down 3 times in the first round was able to box the shit out of Pac and in my estimation, fought his way to a draw and a win in their 2 fights.
Pacquiao's only title fight at lightweight was against David Diaz, a fringe title holder and not world class. Pac runs out of the division after Marquez promptly ko's the 2 best lightweights in the world at the time.
Enter Ricky Hatton, a glorified club fighter and protector of the British Royal Glass Chin. Pac looks great against him, big deal. Next up is Oscar, old, worn out, no legs, starched from trying to make weight. Next, Cotto, quite damaged goods after receiving a savage beating from Margacheato and a very tough fight against Clottey in the span of a year. The obvious point I'm making is that whether Manny is cheating or not, he's been fighting big names, not guys who were actually truly dangerous to him due to the fac that Roach is wisely and stealthily picking guys he knows Pac can beat. BUT even still, as damaged as Cotto was, he was beating that ass in the first and second rounds and Pac didn't even flinch or budge. Bigger, stronger guys than Manny haven't been able to take sustained punishment like that from Cotto and survive. Whether it's steroids or epo or some ancient filipino potion that makes him bulletproof
- something just isn't right with that dude.
Word. I felt everything Floyd was saying except that horseshit about him just wanting to "clean up sports period". That shit actually made me chuckle.
Pacman beat the shit out of Barrera in their first fight. Fact. But also a fact is that Barrera always had problems with fast, hard hitting leftys. Junior Jones was able to beat him up twice. PAc also had the benefit of fighting Barrera after Marco had already had a bunch of wars against world class fighters and been fighting since 15 years old. Again in the two Morales rematches we already know what caused Erik to look terrible in those 2 fights. But even diminished as he was, he was able to beat Pacman in their first fight.
Marquez after being down 3 times in the first round was able to box the shit out of Pac and in my estimation, fought his way to a draw and a win in their 2 fights.
Pacquiao's only title fight at lightweight was against David Diaz, a fringe title holder and not world class. Pac runs out of the division after Marquez promptly ko's the 2 best lightweights in the world at the time.
Enter Ricky Hatton, a glorified club fighter and protector of the British Royal Glass Chin. Pac looks great against him, big deal. Next up is Oscar, old, worn out, no legs, starched from trying to make weight. Next, Cotto, quite damaged goods after receiving a savage beating from Margacheato and a very tough fight against Clottey in the span of a year. The obvious point I'm making is that whether Manny is cheating or not, he's been fighting big names, not guys who were actually truly dangerous to him due to the fac that Roach is wisely and stealthily picking guys he knows Pac can beat. BUT even still, as damaged as Cotto was, he was beating that ass in the first and second rounds and Pac didn't even flinch or budge. Bigger, stronger guys than Manny haven't been able to take sustained punishment like that from Cotto and survive. Whether it's steroids or epo or some ancient filipino potion that makes him bulletproof
On the Floyd interview:
That's my boy but any cleaning up of the sport will be a fortunate by-product not an intended goal. Come on, nig.
That dude might go into politics himself.On Manny:
That's Floyd nuthugger talk. Manny is a destroyer and fights everybody and fights the best fighters available every time. I thought you knew better, Mister Boxing Expert
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On the Floyd interview:
That's my boy but any cleaning up of the sport will be a fortunate by-product not an intended goal. Come on, nig.
On Manny:
That's Floyd nuthugger talk. Manny is a destroyer and fights everybody and fights the best WORN OUT fighters available every time. I thought you knew better, Mister Boxing Expert
FIXED.
Oh and I must agree that Williams is at least 2 years away from fighting at 168 but his height, workrate and reach would give these guys trouble even now. But his frame will naturally grow to 168 though, I really believe that. And any talk of Williams fighting at 147 is just Goosens attempt to keep his name in the mix and keep him certified as "the most avoided boxer out there". He knows damm well that Pac, Shane or Floyd ain't fighting that long ass dude, mufucca looks like he was designed by Lockheed.
Floyd is totally off base and surprisingly historically incorrect with his statement about fighters starting off ordinary and not becoming great. In fact, a lot of the great fighters from the past started their careers losing to bums or getting knocked out just like Pac did. Furthermore, I may be mistaken but didn't Pac get stopped defending a title that he got when he had under 20 fights? To begin with, ordinary fighters don't become champs that early. Eusebio Pedroza lost early fights to bums and seemed ordinary. So did Carlos Monzon. Even Hopkins lost to some unknown guy in the beginning and was considered ordinary or not special for a very long time. Look at Alexis Arguello. Just Arguello is enough to upset Mayweather's theory about this ordinary fighters stay ordinary stuff as a reasoning for why Pac just MUST be on PED's. Mayweather has shit for brains. At least Mike Tyson knew his history.
Oh and I must agree that Williams is at least 2 years away from fighting at 168 but his height, workrate and reach would give these guys trouble even now. But his frame will naturally grow to 168 though, I really believe that. And any talk of Williams fighting at 147 is just Goosens attempt to keep his name in the mix and keep him certified as "the most avoided boxer out there". He knows damm well that Pac, Shane or Floyd ain't fighting that long ass dude, mufucca looks like he was designed by Lockheed.
Truth be told, I think Williams should chill at 160. With his penchant to get hit and with his style, I think he gets fucked up against the top tier at 168. Unless he improves his defense, his power is really not effective enough to move the top guys (Abraham especially). I've always liked that Dude, he may be a Germany based fighter, but fam is legit. I see him knocking PW out!!! Plus I see a fools like Froch and Kessler giving him fits as well. As much as I would like to see it, I don't blame Floyd or Manny from not fighting Dude though, why the hell give up like 5-6 inches and over 12 inches in reach?!?!?! I can call bullshit and Ducking, but honestly, I can't blame either Dude..Fuck that Praying Manthis limb Nigga!!!!
Word. I felt everything Floyd was saying except that horseshit about him just wanting to "clean up sports period". That shit actually made me chuckle.
Pacman beat the shit out of Barrera in their first fight. Fact. But also a fact is that Barrera always had problems with fast, hard hitting leftys. Junior Jones was able to beat him up twice. PAc also had the benefit of fighting Barrera after Marco had already had a bunch of wars against world class fighters and been fighting since 15 years old. Again in the two Morales rematches we already know what caused Erik to look terrible in those 2 fights. But even diminished as he was, he was able to beat Pacman in their first fight.
Marquez after being down 3 times in the first round was able to box the shit out of Pac and in my estimation, fought his way to a draw and a win in their 2 fights.
Pacquiao's only title fight at lightweight was against David Diaz, a fringe title holder and not world class. Pac runs out of the division after Marquez promptly ko's the 2 best lightweights in the world at the time.
Enter Ricky Hatton, a glorified club fighter and protector of the British Royal Glass Chin. Pac looks great against him, big deal. Next up is Oscar, old, worn out, no legs, starched from trying to make weight. Next, Cotto, quite damaged goods after receiving a savage beating from Margacheato and a very tough fight against Clottey in the span of a year. The obvious point I'm making is that whether Manny is cheating or not, he's been fighting big names, not guys who were actually truly dangerous to him due to the fac that Roach is wisely and stealthily picking guys he knows Pac can beat. BUT even still, as damaged as Cotto was, he was beating that ass in the first and second rounds and Pac didn't even flinch or budge. Bigger, stronger guys than Manny haven't been able to take sustained punishment like that from Cotto and survive. Whether it's steroids or epo or some ancient filipino potion that makes him bulletproof
I disagree that something "just ain't right" with Pac. Some guys are special, some guys aren't. This doesn't mean that Ray Robinson, Ali, Leonard, and a host of other greats were on roids and PED's. Just like in school, some people are smarter than others. Everybody is not the same.
I don't see how you can practically breakdown how Manny's foes were actually less dangerous than they appeared to be and then in subsequently allude that he was doing something unnatural to beat them. It's like you're trying to walk two paths at the same time.
Regarding Pac taking Cotto's shots, Pac did not take sustained punishment from Cotto like the other big guys did. In fact, Pac's defense was so "on" that Cotto was barely able to hit him with more than one shot at a time. Cotto has never been some one punch Trinidad-like puncher anyway. Regarding the punishment that Cotto sustained at the hands of Manny, let's not forget that everybody and their mother was dropping Cotto and almost stopping him even before the Margarito fight. Even fucking Demarcus Corley almost stopped Cotto. In light of that, it's not so amazing that Pac was able to stop Cotto especially after Margarito softened Cotto up even more. And it still took Pac 11 rounds to get Cotto out of there!
Truth be told, I think Williams should chill at 160. With his penchant to get hit and with his style, I think he gets fucked up against the top tier at 168. Unless he improves his defense, his power is really not effective enough to move the top guys (Abraham especially). I've always liked that Dude, he may be a Germany based fighter, but fam is legit. I see him knocking PW out!!! Plus I see a fools like Froch and Kessler giving him fits as well. As much as I would like to see it, I don't blame Floyd or Manny from not fighting Dude though, why the hell give up like 5-6 inches and over 12 inches in reach?!?!?! I can call bullshit and Ducking, but honestly, I can't blame either Dude..Fuck that Praying Manthis limb Nigga!!!!
Honestly, I don't think Williams will even get past Pavlik. Williams could barely keep Martinez off of him and Pavlik is just a big, strong dude that would just love for Williams to sit down and trade with him. Williams will sit down and trade with Pavlik and he will definitely get hurt and probably stopped.
I partially agree with you, but the problem is that ALL the guys you just mentioned fought at 1 or 2 and at the most 3 weight classes, not six. And Pac and Roach were even talking about super middle. That shit is NOT natural. Dude taking a monkey-strong welterweight like Cotto apart like he did. Homie looked like he didn't even feel Cotto's shots, and was asking for more. That looked like Pryor vs Arguello to me. "Hand me the bottle I mixed!!". And now we know how Aaron was able to get that second wind when it looked like Arguello had really turned the tide of the fight. Pac reminds me of how Pryor came out after drinking from that "mixed" bottle, punches were just bouncing off him with little effect. Pac is not on roids, he's on some ole other shit. Niggas don't realize that just giving a boxer asthma meds can REALLY help a fighter. What Pac has done just ain't natural.
No doubt, I call bullshit on the less threatening angle as well. The truth is, I think Floyd has a problem with how much more dominant Manny was against common opponents. And for Dudes to say that Floyd 'ruined' anybody is absurd! He might have beat them, but in no way did he dominate or hurt anyone physically like Manny did. And even though he had Hatton hurt, he was more hurt by that corner buckle than the punch. Manny damn near decapitated his ass, and did it more quickly! Same thing with DLH, Manny really fucked him up, I've never seen someone fuck up Oscar like that...basically treated him like a bitch! And Cotto, he basically took that Dude's heart out of his chest and wash up or not, no one has EVER taken Cotto's heart like that...Manny fucked him up! And now, because he is unable to dominate like that, the only PBF could do is make baseless accusations?!?!? That's why I'm of the camp, unless you've got something real, go fuck yourself!!! I ain't got to prove shit to you, you need to prove me wrong with actual factuals!!!!
Did you see that nicca Manny after the fight?!?!? His whole head was bandaged up, and yes in rounds 1 and 2, Manny took some really big shots to the jaw and body and walked through them. Kick all that you want, Manny is on something. You don't walk away from 30-40 million because drawing blood weakens you or pride. That's complete bullshit. No nicca who got nothing to hide is gonna leave that much paper on the table because of pride. GTFOH. I don't like Floyd, I think he's part of whats wrong with boxing BUT I've watched enuff boxing in my life to know that something is wrong there. Just like Margarito becomes this big ko destroyer after never having shown that kind of destroyer power before Cintron. We now know that the invincible and unstoppable Aaron Pryor was cheating as well. And a small guy who's never fought at welter doesn't take apart a world class fighter like Cotto the way he did in his first fight at that weight. Robinson, Ali, Leonard, they all lost at some point, they never just walked through their opponents like this kid is doing and kept moving up in weight almost every fight! Imagine if a guy like Nonito Donaire, who is five foot six and 115, five or six years from now has packed on 30 pounds of muscle and is taking out the best welter weights in the world with lil problem. That shit wouldn't be suspect to you? Dude is on something. Floyd is shook of dude, I believe that too, but that lil dude is suspect however you flip it imho.
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If Pac were to take someone like Mosley apart like the way he did Cotto, I would agree with you. However, Cotto was lunchmeat by the time he got to Pac. Even Clottey would have gotten Cotto out of there had he had a different personality. Shit, even Demarcus Corley would have gotten Cotto out of there if he had known the definition of finishing a guy when hurt.
I think the best way to put it into perspective is the side by side comparison that I've seen of Mayweather and Pac's ages and weight history. When you look at it, their rise and jump in weights has been very very similar. The truth behind the controversy boils down to a matter of styles. Pac is showing his strength more because he is going after that ass, looking for the knockout, and he's usually gonna get it. Meanwhile, Mayweather is looking to box and defend. So much to the point where some peopel say Mayweather can't punch. It's not that Mayweather can't punch, it's just not his style to get up in people's asses like Pac does.
it is so difficult to talk to you sensitive dudes. I said one word. "yup" I thought that was enough. relax lil homie. I will add more. I know you will disagree but that is not my problem. When floyd fights cats like gatti and others that you know he is going to beat he is as rude as they get. However in his first fight that he was not a clear favorite instead of acknowledging dude or being his normal arrogant self pbf accused him of cheating. he never once gave an opponent the notion he ever was worried about the fight. but all of a sudden when his first fight with a dude many think can beat him he can't accept it and says the dude is cheating. If he thought he could beat manny we would have seen the old pbf. We didn't see it until the fight was over. lol, "i still want to fight manny and kick his ass". he had that chance and got cold feet and blew it. All he had to do was treat manny like ever fighter that stepped in the ring with him before that was an underdog. But instead he let his fear take over. And that is what I read when he was talking. Dude is insane. Fighters don't get better as they get older. Is he actually thinking fight fans don't know how promoter gets fights and tv time to gain the exposure that makes them a top fighter. Olympians used to get that shit from day one. It was like they were the best. But the had the best money behind them. Oh, I guess he never heard of Lennox that was a good heavyweight when he was younger, but hooked up with Manny after a loss and became one of the best in decades. I guess he never heard of Hopkins who without a promoter was almost unknown until he made a deal with the devil and jumped into the tourney. I guess he never heard of Foreman the oldest heavyweight champ who came back after a decade plus retirement. What about... man it is all about boxing politics, trainer, and promoter that gets you into that top pound for pound list. PBF knows that. But since he was hand held from day one I guess he forgot. I guess he doesn't know what it is like to turn pro at 16. PBF is a joke. In so many ways it isn't even funny. He is scared of Manny. That is why I said "yup." It had nothing to do with you except I was answering your question myself.
I know this is old and has nothing to do with the thread, but I just saw this shit and it had me dying over here!!!! Fucking Hilarious!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5_sb0holEk
The 00:32 mark.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5_sb0holEk
The 00:32 mark.....
I refuse to believe Pac has to be "on" something based on an accusation and the assumption that what he has done is so amazing. Nobody was saying anything was wrong here until these baseless accusations popped up.
Listen man, again, if you were talking about Pac beating the hell out of a Shane Mosley, especially a Shane Mosley that has never been stopped and has rarely even been floored, then I might be thinking twice about Pac.
But to sell me that Pac has to be on roids to beat a Cotto that has been through a virtual meat grinder during the past few years, I find unrealistic. Cotto was ready for the taking and I said that before he fought Pac. I knew that Margarito fight was going to take it all out of him and it did. That combined with Cotto never having an iron chin to begin with and Pac's destruction of him is not that amazing. Again, Pac took 11 rounds to beat this guy and Pac did not take a lot of shots. He took single big Cotto shots but his defense was on and he did not take much punishment.
Again. Forty million - pride, drawing blood weakens him. Walks away. Bullshit. I don't believe a word of that shit. When it finally comes to the light, remember I told you. I also believe that Michael Moorer did kick it to Floyd's camp after being let go by Roach and Pac and Manny's camp threatened to sue the shit out of him if he didn't make a public statement completely denouncing it. James Toney was taking illegal substances when he won his heavyweight belt and Roach was his trainer. Not to mention Pacs good friend, filipino wrestler Dave Batista has been accused numerous times of taking roids and had his name linked to many steroid investigations. Who's to say PAc hasn't tested positive and it was overlooked. PAc is a cash cow for anybody involved in one of his fights, niccas ain't gonna kill the goose that lays the golden egg. You think if OScar had tested positive for some substance when he was making all that money for everybody that they would actually have blown the whistle on homie? You're not that naive. Anyway, just name me another fighter with Pacs limited skill set who has accomplished what he's accomplished.
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lol, the whole manny was on something is so lame. I personally hate hypothetical conversation. So talking about manny on something without proof is as silly as people saying asher roth was gay cause they read something on bgol about it. fact, folk deal with the facts.
I'll be the first to say that there is no hard evidence, but like cops do, I watch peoples reactions. Manny's reaction to the blood testing was on some guilty shit. First, he doesn't like needles, then it weakens him to have a table spoon of blood taken from him DAYS before the fight, and then it became just a matter of "we're not doing it because Floyd says so". Bullshit. If you're clean and you're as honorable and humble as Pac claims to be, wouldn't you want to clear the air. Wouldn't you want your fans to know that you're clean. Wouldn't you want the questions to stop. Also, wouldn't you want the boxing community and everyone to see you test negative so when you beat Floyd, he looks even worse? His reaction was very suspect. An innocent person gets angry and automatically wants to prove their innocence. PAc got angry and indignant and backed away from more millions than he can make fighting three more times this year.
I'm not defending Floyd now, I think he also saw Pac taking cats apart and said "damm!!!! I honestly don't know if I could beat this cat. How? Shoulder rolling?" I agree with you guys on that but Pac definitely has something to hide, his reaction to all these accusations tells me that. Also, lets not act like Floyd is the first to accuse Pac. Cintron and Malignaggi both spoke out publicly about Pac being mad suspect and I'm pretty confident other fighters are talking about it behind the scenes as well. Even Cotto spoke on it.
Miguel Cotto, who was stopped in the 12th round by Manny Pacquiao in November, says the Filipino boxer's request to avoid Olympic-style random blood testing for a potential March 13 fight against Floyd Mayweather "raises questions."
Cotto, who's 34-2 in his career and a three-time world champion, issued a statement Tuesday regarding the only issue that's keeping Mayweather-Pacquiao from being finalized.
"I am in complete awe with Manny's reaction to this matter," Cotto said in an interview with Primera Hora's Carlos Gonzalez. "He has always been a great athlete and gentleman. Why in the world would he require restrictions or conditions for the tests? It is a golden opportunity for him to (dispel) all world-wide rumors surrounding his figure and use of enhancement drugs. His refusal to commit to the tests without conditions raises questions."
Oscar De La Hoya, president of Golden Boy Promotions and a Pacquiao knockout victim in December of 2008, spoke out against Pacquiao last week in his blog, writing "I have to wonder about him."
Cotto, who represented Puerto Rico in the 2000 Olympics in Sydney, said boxing should adapt Olympic-style testing for all of its fights.
"Olympic type drug testing is the most efficient tool for the sport to secure fair play," Cotto said. "My recommendation to all boxing authorities in the world is to implement it across the board. I would agree to it without hesitation or reservations. It is the only way to ensure that the outcome of a bout is the strict result of conditioning and ability. To magnify your talent with drugs is repulsive."
Mayweather's camp has maintained the Grand Rapids native will only step into the ring against Pacquiao if random blood tests occur. Bob Arum, Pacquiao's promoter, has offered a fight to Paulie Malignaggi if Mayweather doesn't budge off his requests.
Merc, come on man. If my wifey accused me and said let me see your phone records and I say no. That doesn't mean I'm cheating. It means I'm not her bitch. Manny don't need PBF. Fighter of the decade. More fighter of the year awards. More fights that people talk about. Come on. But I'm glad you also agree PBF is a little shook. He only talked ass kicking shit after the fight got dropped. Also if anybody beats the living shit out of people it is Manny. He handles business without all theat shit talking. The part that kills me about PBF you think he was knocking cats out. lol dudes ends fights with him looking exactly the same.
well I'm buddhist. I don't believe in attachment. And if money has enough power over a person (not talking about you) to overlook their core values then cool. intergrity is not bullshit to me. The only they you leave behind is your name. How you leave it is up to you. Money just doesn't move me like it did in the past. I would agreed with you ten years or so. But I'm off that.
Me too Buk, I honestly agree with you at this point in my life. Got my own house and car, everything is paid for or paid monthly. Got everything I need and besides ain't nobody gonna offer me 40 mil to do shit. But we're talking about a sport that has been turned into a multi million dollar business. Money may not move you, but it does the average person, especially a nicca like Pac who grew up with nothing and has more than fifty percent of his purses taken by taxes and Bob Arum. This is a business. Dude was haggling over the split like money means something to him. But as soon as olympic style testing is brought up, he walks away due to principals or fear of needles or being weakend or any other of the concurrent excuses they fed the public, doesn't make sense.
While anything can happen, Pavlik isn't Martinez. Since we agree that styles make fights, Pavlik's straight forward style makes him vulnerable to a high work rate, high volume puncher like Williams.
another thing. Let's hear PBF talk about Shane using setroid his whole career now. I bet he will treat Shane who has been proven to have used roids much better than he did Manny who never was associated with drug use before. But we all know why.
1) He was scared of Manny
2) PBF is a GBP fighter
3) He should be able to beat an old and rusty Shane
I am positive he will not go on about drugs. I bet money Oscar won't say "we got to do these test cause we all know that shane has cheated in the past. All this trying to paint PBF as some sad and sorry hero trying to clean up the sport is a joke. Figuring we are all talking about the guy who said he didn't care about the sport and only money.
1) He was scared of Manny
2) PBF is a GBP fighter
3) He should be able to beat an old and rusty Shane
I am positive he will not go on about drugs. I bet money Oscar won't say "we got to do these test cause we all know that shane has cheated in the past. All this trying to paint PBF as some sad and sorry hero trying to clean up the sport is a joke. Figuring we are all talking about the guy who said he didn't care about the sport and only money.
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