I'm sorry to say it but, kobe is better than jordan!!

[cranrab]

Re: jordan!!

]if i had to run a triangle and 2, constant double teams, goon squad, hack/hurt-a-kobe, i don't care[/U]. i would never allow that shit to happen.

that's the sign of a young, panicky coach.

and that's exactly what coach mitchell did.

a coach should NEVER break from defensive philosophy and discipline GIVEN THAT HIS PERSONNEL IS NOT SUITED TO PLAY EXOTIC DEFENSES.

mike james
jalen rose
morris peterson
matt bonner
chris bosh

that squad doesn't exactly inspire fear in hearts of opponents. remember, that toronto squad was next to last in points allowed.

 

[MonkeyBizness]

Re: jordan!!

that's the sign of a young, panicky coach.

and that's exactly what coach mitchell did.

a coach should NEVER break from defensive philosophy and discipline GIVEN THAT HIS PERSONNEL IS NOT SUITED TO PLAY EXOTIC DEFENSES.

mike james
jalen rose
morris peterson
matt bonner
chris bosh

that squad doesn't exactly inspire fear in hearts of opponents. remember, that toronto squad was next to last in points allowed.

hold up fam!
"a coach should NEVER break from defensive philosophy and discipline…" the Raptors got torched for 81! mind you, i didn't see the game, and please correct me if i'm wrong, but i was under the impression that Mitchell NEVER switched up his defense that game. the played Kobe the same way from start to finish. clearly if you give up 40 by the half to one player, shit ain't working. time to switch up. one player singlehandedly beat you.

i was joking about the triangle +2 and shit, but damn, get Devean George off the bench. the kid is 6'7" and younger and more athletic than Rose and MoPete. and double him with a big so he has to shoot over him.

i'm gonna get the tape of this game and Zapruder the shit outta it.

 

[cranrab]

Re: jordan!!

hold up fam!

"a coach should NEVER break from defensive philosophy and discipline…" the Raptors got torched for 81! mind you, i didn't see the game, and please correct me if i'm wrong, but i was under the impression that Mitchell NEVER switched up his defense that game. the played Kobe the same way from start to finish.

please watch the game then.

when toronto lost the lead in Q3, coach mitchell lost his nerve and blinked.

instead of letting his team play through the run, coach mitchell decided to change up his defensive strategy. that was a recipe for failure, the raptors lost the game, and became a part of history because of it.

again, toronto was the 2nd WORST team in the league for points allowed. toronto was the WORST for opponent FG% overall, and 5th WORST team for opponent 3FG% allowed.

i was joking about the triangle +2 and shit, but damn, get Devean George off the bench. the kid is 6'7" and younger and more athletic than Rose and MoPete. and double him with a big so he has to shoot over him.

 

[MonkeyBizness]

Re: jordan!!

please watch the game then.

when toronto lost the lead in Q3, coach mitchell lost his nerve and blinked.

instead of letting his team play through the run, coach mitchell decided to change up his defensive strategy. that was a recipe for failure, the raptors lost the game, and became a part of history because of it.

again, toronto was the 2nd WORST team in the league for points allowed. toronto was the WORST for opponent FG% overall, and 5th WORST team for opponent 3FG% allowed.

a bad defensive philosophy that changes to another defensive philosophy is a guaranteed disaster.

he coulda slowed the game down and limit LA's possessions. i don't know. gotta watch the game.

man, i could score at least 18 against MoPete and/or Jalen Rose. Devean George at least tries to play D. i'll take the effort and 6 additional fouls.

 

[vandamation]

HOW 'BOUT THOSE KNICKS!!!...
ANOTHER WIN TONIGHT!!!!!!...

 

[Costanza]

Re: jordan!!

Shot selection (Less binges, less random 3's more mid-range)
improved left hand and post moves.
FG% up 3 points over career.
About a half steal over last year
rebounds up too.

All this with a finger injury that would shut down all of his contemporaries. (Wince Harder, Tracie Mc Lady, Hott Lipps, etc.)

@ Wince Harder... What is up with Kobe's perpetually injured finger, though; I though that was supposed to be done after last season?

 

[illwill]

Phil Jackson: '[Kobe's'] right there with Michael'

Kevin Ding of the Orange County Register: "As clearly as Kobe Bryant's buzzer-beating 3-pointer swished through the net to beat Sacramento by one Friday night, here are 10 things we clearly know by now ... 1) Bryant is "a killer," the term Bryant used a decade ago to describe himself ... and Michael Jordan. "He's there," said Phil Jackson, coach of both experts in clutchness. "He's right there with Michael in that kind of breath." 2) Bryant can play through pain, in this case the fractured right index finger that has him at 49.3 percent from the field and 85.3 percent from the free-throw line over the past 10 games ... when he has scored 36.8 points per game. "It's like saying he can't do something, and then he has to prove he can do it," Jackson said. "It's just one of those things about him that is unique."

knuff said bitches, end of thread seriously....what else do u need??????? real talk

 

[cranrab]

knuff said bitches, end of thread seriously....what else do u need??????? real talk

i couldn't agree more:

 

[Diamels]

i couldn't agree more:

Very good read. I might add...

 

[cranrab]

jordan!!

IW,

it's funny that the sports columnist whose article you partially quoted (why? and why no link?) also had this to say:

Gasol's basketball IQ is in the same genius range as Bryant's, and there have never been two basketball geeks tougher to beat.

very credible, right?

after all, a columnist who finesses quotes to fit the text (but certainly not the context) of his editorial is reliable on the subject of basketball, right?

http://www.ocregister.com/common/printer/view.php?db=ocregister&id=226674

 

[cranrab]

1) Bryant is "a killer," the term Bryant used a decade ago to describe himself

he's fond of giving himself nicknames, isn't he?

he also is the one who came up with black mamba.

just like michael jackson came up with king of pop.

who nicknames themselves?



did jerry west call himself zeke from cabin creek? no, elgin baylor did and chick hearn lifted it.

did earvin johnson call himself magic? no.

funny stuff.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

cranrab when kobe 3 peats will u see the light?

 

[cranrab]

jordan!!

cranrab when kobe 3 peats will u see the light?

what light?

that a talented offensive player like pau gasol can win a championship when he has a HOF head coach and a proven system that takes advantage of talented post play?

that tobe was proven to be ineffectual in a traditional offense under a championship head coach tomjanovich?

that tobe crumbled like a stale cookie under the pressure of a new O, and had to stage a sick out to get coach tomjanovich fired?

that tobe was too basketball dumb to adapt to a new O specifically designed for him, and had to retreat to coach hamblen's version of the triple post?

that a trip to the PUSSific division cellar made him put his tail between his legs and BEG for coach jackson to come back so he could be in the only O he's ever known?

that he was nothing but MEDIOCRE in 2.5 seasons without a talented post player? and suddenly found himself riding coat tails back into the NBA finals after the fakers traded for pau gasol?

that the light you're talking about?

and welcome back.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

Re: jordan!!

what light?

that a talented offensive player like pau gasol can win a championship when he has a HOF head coach and a proven system that takes advantage of talented post play?

that tobe was proven to be ineffectual in a traditional offense under a championship head coach tomjanovich?

that tobe crumbled like a stale cookie under the pressure of a new O, and had to stage a sick out to get coach tomjanovich fired?

that tobe was too basketball dumb to adapt to a new O specifically designed for him, and had to retreat to coach hamblen's version of the triple post?

that a trip to the PUSSific division cellar made him put his tail between his legs and BEG for coach jackson to come back so he could be in the only O he's ever known?

that he was nothing but MEDIOCRE in 2.5 seasons without a talented post player? and suddenly found himself riding coat tails back into the NBA finals after the fakers traded for pau gasol?

that the light you're talking about?

and welcome back.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Re: jordan!!

4 rings

 

[Spectrum]

Re: jordan!!

oh shit...Shaddy donated... what up homie

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Re: jordan!!

What's good bruh....I had to come back in time for the playoffs

 

[2 ONE 3]

Hands down...

Kobe is the best player of this decade.


Just like how MJ was the best players of the 90s.

I'm not even a Kobe fan like that, but you gotta give credit where it's dude.

The mans a beast on the court.​

 

[LordSinister]

@ Wince Harder... What is up with Kobe's perpetually injured finger, though; I though that was supposed to be done after last season?

Last year was the Pinky Finger, this year it's the Index.

that tobe was proven to be ineffectual in a traditional offense under a championship head coach tomjanovich?

that tobe crumbled like a stale cookie under the pressure of a new O, and had to stage a sick out to get coach tomjanovich fired?

Cuzz, Rudy T quit mid season when the Lakers had a winning record. He couldn't handle the pressure. As you can see, he hasn't surfaced on the coaching circuit since then

that tobe was too basketball dumb to adapt to a new O specifically designed for him, and had to retreat to coach hamblen's version of the triple post?

that a trip to the PUSSific division cellar made him put his tail between his legs and BEG for coach jackson to come back so he could be in the only O he's ever known?

that he was nothing but MEDIOCRE in 2.5 seasons without a talented post player? and suddenly found himself riding coat tails back into the NBA finals after the fakers traded for pau gasol?

that the light you're talking about?

and welcome back.

He averaged 35, 31 and 27 points during those 2.5 seasons. WTF are you talking about rab?

 

[Superman]

Jordan MADE Kobe. Come on MAN!!!

 

[chemist]

Jordan MADE Kobe. Come on MAN!!!

Just like somebody made Jordan and he eventually eclipsed them.

 

[cranrab]

jordan!!

4 rings

Cuzz, Rudy T quit mid season when the Lakers had a winning record. He couldn't handle the pressure.

i'll be happy to elaborate.

coach tomjanovich had a winning record while tobe had CAREER LOWS. the fragile primadonna couldn't reconcile that, so coach tomjanovich had to go. do you remember the sick out? what was the estimated time out? 5 games, 10 days. what did it turn into? this is the mighty, supremely conditioned warrior, remember.

you point out that coach tomjanovich resigned. NOT fired. resigned.

coach musselman got severance after he was fired. coach brown got severance after he was fired. but coach tomjanovich gets $9M after he resigns? sure. as for not being on the coaching circuit any longer, coach tomjanovich said at his press conference that he would never coach again. did you know that the fakers kept him on payroll as advance scout as part of the deal?

He averaged 35, 31 and 27 points during those 2.5 seasons. WTF are you talking about rab?

you're showing remarkable progress, LS.

proof positive that individual points from chuckers do NOT equal team victories. tobe's HIGHEST SCORING averages came in those seasons. 35.4 points per game and a record of 45-37. 31.6 points per game and 42-40.

mediocre.

 

[Blunt]

Re: jordan!!

proof positive that individual points from chuckers do NOT equal team victories. tobe's HIGHEST SCORING averages came in those seasons. 35.4 points per game and a record of 45-37. 31.6 points per game and 42-40.

mediocre.

Weren't the Bulls a "mediocre" 40-42 the year Jordan averaged a career-high 37.1 PPG???

 

[El Guapo]

just like michael jackson came up with king of pop.

who nicknames themselves?

Hey Bruh, Leave the King outta this. Besides, you're wrong. Elizabeth Taylor nicknamed Mike the King of Pop.

 

[LordSinister]

he's fond of giving himself nicknames, isn't he?

he also is the one who came up with black mamba.

just like michael jackson came up with king of pop.

who nicknames themselves?

Snaq: Big Aristotle, The Big Shaqtus,
Gil: Hibachi,
Patterson: Kobe Stopper
Chad Jonson: Ochocinco
He-Hate-Me

man the list goes on. I mean really, what goes with Kobe? Cuzz was named after a Japanese Steak House.

I guess you could call him beef.

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

Great thread and feedback from all.

 

[Amajorfucup]

Re: jordan!!

oh shit...Shaddy donated... what up homie

Lil nigga got $10 for christmas.

 

[Blunt]

Besides, you're wrong. Elizabeth Taylor nicknamed Mike the King of Pop.

No she didn't. (And who is she to do so anyway?) He demanded that he be addressed that way. He obviously had a royalty and prestige fetish.

 

[El Guapo]

No she didn't. (And who is she to do so anyway?) He demanded that he be addressed that way. He obviously had a royalty and prestige fetish.

[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/s92BVuQbuyg[/FLASH]

STFU

 

[TimRock]

Stanrab is tight.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

This dude can win 15 championships, 20 scoring titles and 10 MVPs, in the eyes of Jordan fans nobody will be better than Jordan. And thats cool.. People favor their era. Just like 80's fans will say Rakim is the best, 90's will say Biggie and Jay-Z, the 2000's will say Lil Wayne.

but he wont...

 

[TheFuser]

Hands down...

Kobe is the best player of this decade.


Just like how MJ was the best players of the 90s.

I'm not even a Kobe fan like that, but you gotta give credit where it's dude.

The mans a beast on the court.​

To say Kobe is the best player of the last decade "hands down" is silly. Can there be an argument for him? Absolutely. But hands down? C'mon son! The facts don't back up your assertion.

Some of the games best players don't have rings because of one man, MICHAEL JORDAN. He owned an entire decade. The only reason Hakeem and Clyde have rings is because this man took time off to play baseball for his father. He OWNED an entire decade. Let's have a look shall we:

Year Championship Team Finals MVP
1990-91 Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan
1991-92 Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan
1992-93 Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan
1993-94* Houston Rockets Hakeem Olajuwon
1994-95* Houston Rockets Hakeem Olajuwon
1995-96 Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan
1996-97 Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan
1997-98 Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan
1998-99* San Antonio Spurs Tim Duncan
1999-00* L.A. Lakers Shaquille O'Neal

* = Michael Jordan retired

Can Kobe say he owned a decade? Fuck no! Would you like to take a look at the '00 decade?


2000-01 Los Angeles Lakers Shaquille O'Neal
2001-02 Los Angeles Lakers Shaquille O'Neal
2002-03 San Antonio Spurs Tim Duncan
2003-04 Detroit Pistons Chauncey Billups
2004-05 San Antonio Spurs Tim Duncan
2005-06 Miami Heat Dwyane Wade
2006-07 San Antonio Spurs Tony Parker
2007-08 Boston Celtics Paul Pierce
2008-09 Los Angeles Lakers Kobe Bryant

Tim Duncan fans can make an argument for him as the best player of last decade. He has just as many rings as Kobe, and more NBA Finals MVPs. Perhaps people should be comparing Kobe to Tim Duncan. As Eeewwwlll has stated, you cannot compare Kobe to Jordan qualitatively or quantitatively.

I await rebuttals. And folks please leave it free of emotional stan behavior and stick to the facts, stats, and undisputable numbers.

 

[TimRock]

Some of the games best players don't have rings because of one man, MICHAEL JORDAN. He owned an entire decade. The only reason Hakeem and Clyde have rings is because this man took time off to play baseball for his father. He OWNED an entire decade. Let's have a look shall we:



Can Kobe say he owned a decade? Fuck no! Would you like to take a look at the '00 decade?



If ANYTHING, Tim Duncan owned the last decade. He has just as many rings as Kobe, and more NBA Finals MVPs. Perhaps you should be comparing Kobe to him. He's not in Jordan's class.

I await your rebuttal. And please leave it free of emotional stan behavior and stick to the facts, stats, and undisputable numbers.

i respect this post.

 

[LordSinister]

Re: jordan!!

i'll be happy to elaborate.

coach tomjanovich had a winning record while tobe had CAREER LOWS. the fragile primadonna couldn't reconcile that, so coach tomjanovich had to go. do you remember the sick out? what was the estimated time out? 5 games, 10 days. what did it turn into? this is the mighty, supremely conditioned warrior, remember.

you point out that coach tomjanovich resigned. NOT fired. resigned.

coach musselman got severance after he was fired. coach brown got severance after he was fired. but coach tomjanovich gets $9M after he resigns? sure. as for not being on the coaching circuit any longer, coach tomjanovich said at his press conference that he would never coach again. did you know that the fakers kept him on payroll as advance scout as part of the deal?



you're showing remarkable progress, LS.

proof positive that individual points from chuckers do NOT equal team victories. tobe's HIGHEST SCORING averages came in those seasons. 35.4 points per game and a record of 45-37. 31.6 points per game and 42-40.

mediocre.

I remember Kobe being sick after Rudy T quit. Maybe I'm wrong.

What I do know is several cats had career years working with the "garden weasel." So I guess that accounts for nothing?

Smush

Cook

Mihm

Walton

And Kwame almost got his career on track with a real leader feeding him the ball where he can handle it. 6 inches from the rim.

Kobe's elevation of Kwame damn near puts him of Jordan Status.

The above list is a conglomerate of futility. Most of these cats either ride pine, are out of the league, or should be. The fact that Bean dragged this pile of shit into the playoff, and took Phoenix to 7 games is remarkable.

If he hadn't raped that bitch in Colorodo, he'd have about 3 MVP's man. Give him some credit.

Oh,I forgot Chucky Atkins had a career year that first one with Bean also.

 

[TheFuser]

Re: jordan!!

I remember Kobe being sick after Rudy T quit. Maybe I'm wrong.

What I do know is several cats had career years working with the "garden weasel." So I guess that accounts for nothing?


And Kwame almost got his career on track with a real leader feeding him the ball where he can handle it. 6 inches from the rim.

Kobe's elevation of Kwame damn near puts him of Jordan Status.

The above list is a conglomerate of futility. Most of these cats either ride pine, are out of the league, or should be. The fact that Bean dragged this pile of shit into the playoff, and took Phoenix to 7 games is remarkable.

If he hadn't raped that bitch in Colorodo, he'd have about 3 MVP's man. Give him some credit.

Oh,I forgot Chucky Atkins had a career year that first one with Bean also.

People give him credit. He's a great player. But there are levels of greatness, and he's not on Jordan's. Please respond to my post above. It's like 3 or 4 posts up. Thanks.