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Dude,

What kind of question is this? What are the boundaries?

Sorry, my bad.

Lemme rephrase the original question.

Okay.

Is there anyone in the Marvel universe who you personally feel could beat Daken on a hand-to-hand level from amongst all of the martial arts/physically enhanced/un-enhanced combat specialists (hero or villain)?
 
Black Panther, Daredevil, Taskmaster, and Iron Fist could all give him a run for his money. I'd really like to see him face off with T'Challa.
 
Black Panther, Daredevil, Taskmaster, and Iron Fist could all give him a run for his money. I'd really like to see him face off with T'Challa.

That pheromone power really gives Daken and advantage. If any of those guys can counteract that, then they have a chance.
 

Sorry, my bad.

Lemme rephrase the original question.

Okay.

Is there anyone in the Marvel universe who you personally feel could beat Daken on a hand-to-hand level from amongst all of the martial arts/physically enhanced/un-enhanced combat specialists (hero or villain)?

Spiral

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Powers and abilities

Spiral has powerful mystical abilities. With gestures or dance moves, she can teleport herself and numerous people across great distances. Teleportation and powerful spells require more complicated dance moves. Spiral's spellcasting powers can be triggered through small hand gestures of her many hands. Spiral often incorporates knives and swords into more complicated spells. Spiral can also disguise herself through her magic. Spiral can open gateways between dimensions and travel through time, though it has been implied that she sometimes requires Mojo's help to successfully teleport from one dimension to another.

It was also established that Spiral is aware, through unknown mystical means, whenever a person speaks her name.

When Spiral was first introduced, she was a powerful sorceress and during her first two encounters with the X-Men, singlehandedly defeated the team. She can cast spells to stun, depower, or immobilize her superhuman opponents, as she did to depower and imprison the Avengers and West Coast Avengers once they were laying still long enough for the spells to catch them. She was recently revealed as one of several magic-users with the potential to be the next Sorcerer Supreme after Doctor Strange by the Eye of Agamotto.

Spiral's mind is apparently immune to possession. When Rogue attempted to steal Spiral's mind and powers, Spiral stole Rogue's instead, laughing that she had danced in many people's souls. Nocturne was fooled by Spiral into thinking Spiral had been possessed while Spiral remained in control.

As a result of being cybernetically enhanced on Mojo-world she has some limited level of superhuman physical attributes.

Spiral is a highly skilled hand-to-hand combatant and sword fighter. Her six arms are fully coordinated, giving her great dexterity and athletic ability.

Spiral demonstrated highly developed skills in cybernetics and genetic manipulation which she has used to turn humans into powerful cyborgs at her Body Shoppe. The most notable include Lady Deathstrike and the cybernetic Reavers, who have since been "upgraded" by Donald Pierce.


This chick is so bad ass that she is usually seen fighting teams solo!
 
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That pheromone power really gives Daken and advantage. If any of those guys can counteract that, then they have a chance.

F that pheromone bs. I don't buy into it. It's a cop out like Iceman not able to use his own powers as well as Emma can when she controls him.

That said only 2 people that I know of were able to stand toe to toe with Steve Rogers (The Taskmaster and Spiderman).

I'm even going to go out on a limb and say Wilson Fisk and Shang Chi could beat Daken's ass! :D

and this mofo right here too
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Sorry, my bad.

Lemme rephrase the original question.

Okay.

Is there anyone in the Marvel universe who you personally feel could beat Daken on a hand-to-hand level from amongst all of the martial arts/physically enhanced/un-enhanced combat specialists (hero or villain)?

how about

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Is there anyone in the Marvel universe who you personally feel could beat Daken on a hand-to-hand level from amongst all of the martial arts/physically enhanced/un-enhanced combat specialists (hero or villain)?

Luke Cage, Spider-Man, Iron Fist, Venom, The Gorgon (Wolverine villain from Enemy of the State) hell, probably even Elektra (at least, the way she was portrayed in Elektra: Assassin) should take this no problem, and make Daken feel bad in the process.

Look, most readers get that Marvel is trying to build Daken up into a "Six Million Dollar" Wolverine, meaning, "hey kids, if you think Wolverine is cool, check out Daken! He's exactly like Wolverine in almost every way, but BETTER-ER. And EXTREEME-ER!"

Basically, Frank could've taken this if he was prepared. We've seen how he's taken out Wolverine, Daredevil and Spider-Man with some careful planning and fore-knowledge of the enemy. (Punisher Vol. 4 #33-37)

Frank was prepared for Osborn's goons. Had his escape route mapped out, but didn't know Daken was coming through (even though he should've known Osborn was going to send either one of the Avengers or the Thunderbolts on him). And outside of the fact that Daken is Wolverine's son, really didn't know much about him, so he just took it the boy's chest with whatever he had left.

I think the fight made sense considering this. What doesn't make sense is the fact that he must now be brought back as a Frankenstein cyborg zombie? Who thought that was a good idea?? And, wasn't it already stated in Punisher: Born, that the reason he survives so much shit is the deal he made with the devil back in 'Nam (Born #4)? So, having him patched up is one thing, but all that extra shit is unnecessary when they already have the foundation needed to keep him going after he returns.
 
Luke Cage, Spider-Man, Iron Fist, Venom, The Gorgon (Wolverine villain from Enemy of the State) hell, probably even Elektra (at least, the way she was portrayed in Elektra: Assassin) should take this no problem, and make Daken feel bad in the process.

Look, most readers get that Marvel is trying to build Daken up into a "Six Million Dollar" Wolverine, meaning, "hey kids, if you think Wolverine is cool, check out Daken! He's exactly like Wolverine in almost every way, but BETTER-ER. And EXTREEME-ER!"

Basically, Frank could've taken this if he was prepared. We've seen how he's taken out Wolverine, Daredevil and Spider-Man with some careful planning and fore-knowledge of the enemy. (Punisher Vol. 4 #33-37)

Frank was prepared for Osborn's goons. Had his escape route mapped out, but didn't know Daken was coming through (even though he should've known Osborn was going to send either one of the Avengers or the Thunderbolts on him). And outside of the fact that Daken is Wolverine's son, really didn't know much about him, so he just took it the boy's chest with whatever he had left.

I think the fight made sense considering this. What doesn't make sense is the fact that he must now be brought back as a Frankenstein cyborg zombie? Who thought that was a good idea?? And, wasn't it already stated in Punisher: Born, that the reason he survives so much shit is the deal he made with the devil back in 'Nam (Born #4)? So, having him patched up is one thing, but all that extra shit is unnecessary when they already have the foundation needed to keep him going after he returns.

That was imaginary. Not a factual event.
 
DC Defense Brigade!

"Halt! Ignore all parts of the story that do not make comic sense. Please stick only to those parts that are "hot"...Thank you!"

Thats what happens when Didio is greedy and thinks "HEY.. Geoff is the ONLY writer we have.. so lets frak him over and steal his ideas, and make him write things to make our shitty characters sell."

" Oh and by the way.. lets steal his ideas and.."
"Sir.. we've already done that... several times now.."
 
:smh: The books have already been written. For those in the know check out the upcoming months of "Preview" and behold the rape that is coming for DC fans...:smh:

They can always be redone.. Look at Legion of Three worlds. Took damn near a year for that 5 issue mini to come out, because Johns had to rewrite it to suit Didio's tastes. Luckily he made the shit good in the process.
 
Is there a list some where that tallies all the wins and losses of all the characters that have gone against each other?
 
Do you fellas think that Skaar can really take THE - fully powered-smackaroundhalfdamarveluniverse - HULK?

Hell has Skaar even fought the Red Hulk yet?
 
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That was imaginary. Not a factual event.

Oh shit, it was? I've been going by that philosophy since the book came out. Seemed to make alot of sense at the time. So you mean Frank can take all that punishment and keep coming back because he's just that nigga?

Oh well. When was this stated, btw?

Wiki'ing now...
 
Oh shit, it was? I've been going by that philosophy since the book came out. Seemed to make alot of sense at the time. So you mean Frank can take all that punishment and keep coming back because he's just that nigga?

Oh well. When was this stated, btw?

Wiki'ing now...

Stated? Never.

Implied - Same book - "Born"
 
I would like to see how she would do against Daken.

They fought in Dark Reign - Dark Utopia.

If you ask me - You have to have him tangle with someone that has zero history - So all that talk is taken out.

Spiral is idea. He is immune to his bs. Can cancel his healing (she did it to Wolverine before). Has only been defeated in one on one by one character - Longshot - which due to his powers + their emotional history.
 
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I don't know she has taken a couple of L's recently. Emma saved her ass and so did Agent Morale

I would like to see how she would do against Daken.



I was a bit confused how they captured her, they had like a trigger word or device right? where at any time they could activate her killing streak like a sleeper cell, similar to the way winter soldier was controlled..

but only those with that control have been able to get to them.. everyone else gets dead...

To escape she severs her own arm. Removes the claws so she can re attach them later and so her enemies don't get them in case she dies. proceeds to kill her way out with one arm. gets home regrows arm.

that's like a normal weekend for deadpool

now that i think about it, i see an X-23 and DeadPool love story here somewhere :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
What's the story behind this?

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SIEGE: THE CABAL [Prologue to Siege] (OCT090467)
Written by BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS
Penciled by MICHAEL LARK
Cover by DAVID FINCH
Rated T+ ...$3.99
FOC-11/12/09, On-Sale-12/2/09

SIEGE #1 (of 4)
Written by BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS

Pencils & Cover by OLIVIER COIPEL

Variant Cover by GABRIELE DELL'OTTO

Variant Cover by JOE QUESADA

Sketch Variant by OLIVIER COIPEL

Rated T+ ...$3.99

FOC-12/10/09, On-Sale-1/6/10
 
Stated? Never.

Implied - Same book - "Born"

Respect your opinion on the imaginary tale bit, 'zell, but an implication is hardly something to use as hard evidence of an event occurring or not occurring.

However, it's been hotly contested whether anything from Punisher MAX (which BORN is) can be considered canon. I consider BORN to be the exception because Tony Stark actually referenced it once in a regular 616 book (CIVIL WAR: WAR FILES references Frank's tour of duty in Firebase Valley Forge, where BORN took place).
 
What's the story behind this?

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SIEGE: THE CABAL [Prologue to Siege] (OCT090467)
Written by BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS
Penciled by MICHAEL LARK
Cover by DAVID FINCH
Rated T+ ...$3.99
FOC-11/12/09, On-Sale-12/2/09

SIEGE #1 (of 4)
Written by BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS

Pencils & Cover by OLIVIER COIPEL

Variant Cover by GABRIELE DELL'OTTO

Variant Cover by JOE QUESADA

Sketch Variant by OLIVIER COIPEL

Rated T+ ...$3.99

FOC-12/10/09, On-Sale-1/6/10

Steve Rogers armoring up to become the true iron patriot and kicking Norman Osborn's ass?
 
Steve Rogers armoring up to become the true iron patriot and kicking Norman Osborn's ass?

Is this like some sort of peace offering/will/apology from tony stark? he losses everything (mind and all) and puts it in that all his tech go to Steve (assuming tony knows something about steve's return?)
 
Is this like some sort of peace offering/will/apology from tony stark? he losses everything (mind and all) and puts it in that all his tech go to Steve (assuming tony knows something about steve's return?)

Norman Osborn Attacks Asgard, The Avengers trinity puts their differences aside and team up to take em down..New Avengers gets a roster change and it affects every marvel hero, villain, and team...Blah, Blah, Blah

SIEGE, a four-issue limited series event rolling out in January 2010, reunites not only superstar creators Brian Michael Bendis and Olivier Coipel but a certain team of Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

"We are at the climax," Bendis says of SIEGE's place within the Dark Reign epic. "Norman Osborn's reach has gone as far and wide as one could possibly imagine it ever would and he has set his sights on Asgard. Why he does this and how he does this, the question is, 'Is this the event that will bring not only the Avengers teams that already exist together but the classic Avengers as well?'

"[SIEGE] is an Avengers story but the nature of Dark Reign and the Avengers books and how they have been in the past few years makes it a Marvel Universe story. This is Avengers-focused but also involves the Young Avengers, the Secret Warriors-it's a big pile. Nick Fury is there front and center. But I think the real show stopper is the chance to see Thor, Iron Man and Captain America fighting alongside together. And what could possibly be big enough for them to get over themselves and do such a thing? SIEGE."

As director of H.A.M.M.E.R., Osborn has often raised his sights high-but why the fabled realm of Asgard, and why now?

"It is a very scary proposition to learn that another realm is hovering right over our realm," Bendis explains. "And from [Norman's] point-of-view that is a threat. If all of a sudden another country is hovering over our country it would not be met with a picnic. It would be seen as a threat. And not
Preview art by Olivier Coipel
only is it another country, it is another country filled with immortal, all-powerful god people. It's a threat of the highest magnitude and it has to be dealt with.

"This is not only a spin to the public, it's what he believes. Norman isn't a moustache-wielding villain. He is mentally ill and the clock is ticking until that magic puppet makes itself be known. The reality is here that he thinks a certain way. What I like about a good villain is that their [point of view] isn't incorrect. It's arguable. It's what they're doing about that that you may go, 'Hey, that's not right.'"

The writer noted to artist Coipel that SIEGE should be viewed as more of a war story than a super hero adventure. The duo's work on 2005's landmark HOUSE OF M series paved the way for this tale, their latest collaboration.

"When I found out [Coipel was] available for this I thought 'No way,'" he says. "SIEGE has been great because HOUSE OF M was a blast for us and we felt just at the end we were getting into something, not just having fun making comics but you get to this other level where you were feeling each other's brain. Every time we see each other we say 'We have to
 
Norman Osborn Attacks Asgard, The Avengers trinity puts their differences aside and team up to take em down..New Avengers gets a roster change and it affects every marvel hero, villain, and team...Blah, Blah, Blah

SIEGE, a four-issue limited series event rolling out in January 2010, reunites not only superstar creators Brian Michael Bendis and Olivier Coipel but a certain team of Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

"We are at the climax," Bendis says of SIEGE's place within the Dark Reign epic. "Norman Osborn's reach has gone as far and wide as one could possibly imagine it ever would and he has set his sights on Asgard. Why he does this and how he does this, the question is, 'Is this the event that will bring not only the Avengers teams that already exist together but the classic Avengers as well?'

"[SIEGE] is an Avengers story but the nature of Dark Reign and the Avengers books and how they have been in the past few years makes it a Marvel Universe story. This is Avengers-focused but also involves the Young Avengers, the Secret Warriors-it's a big pile. Nick Fury is there front and center. But I think the real show stopper is the chance to see Thor, Iron Man and Captain America fighting alongside together. And what could possibly be big enough for them to get over themselves and do such a thing? SIEGE."

As director of H.A.M.M.E.R., Osborn has often raised his sights high-but why the fabled realm of Asgard, and why now?

"It is a very scary proposition to learn that another realm is hovering right over our realm," Bendis explains. "And from [Norman's] point-of-view that is a threat. If all of a sudden another country is hovering over our country it would not be met with a picnic. It would be seen as a threat. And not
Preview art by Olivier Coipel
only is it another country, it is another country filled with immortal, all-powerful god people. It's a threat of the highest magnitude and it has to be dealt with.

"This is not only a spin to the public, it's what he believes. Norman isn't a moustache-wielding villain. He is mentally ill and the clock is ticking until that magic puppet makes itself be known. The reality is here that he thinks a certain way. What I like about a good villain is that their [point of view] isn't incorrect. It's arguable. It's what they're doing about that that you may go, 'Hey, that's not right.'"

The writer noted to artist Coipel that SIEGE should be viewed as more of a war story than a super hero adventure. The duo's work on 2005's landmark HOUSE OF M series paved the way for this tale, their latest collaboration.

"When I found out [Coipel was] available for this I thought 'No way,'" he says. "SIEGE has been great because HOUSE OF M was a blast for us and we felt just at the end we were getting into something, not just having fun making comics but you get to this other level where you were feeling each other's brain. Every time we see each other we say 'We have to

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As for the asgard connection, didnt loki ask that doom take in asgardian refugees?
 
Respect your opinion on the imaginary tale bit, 'zell, but an implication is hardly something to use as hard evidence of an event occurring or not occurring.

However, it's been hotly contested whether anything from Punisher MAX (which BORN is) can be considered canon. I consider BORN to be the exception because Tony Stark actually referenced it once in a regular 616 book (CIVIL WAR: WAR FILES references Frank's tour of duty in Firebase Valley Forge, where BORN took place).

I'm going by the Marvel Universe database.

It never listed this incident and is as recent as his last issue.

Since it's not listed as part of this bio, background or powers and abilities - It's safe to assume it's implied.

Who knows though Marvel may give his a bike and flaming head and call him Frank Rider if sold books.
 
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