1 of the main reasons why we suffer from diabetes and other health conditions (pics)

[water]

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Man do lions drive fuckin cars? Do lions sit a fuckin computer all day at work? Do lions watch tv? Do lions have an intestine that is 3 times the length of their body when unwrapped? If we had to chase down other humans and eat the mufuckas for food, the only humans survivin would be built like Usain Bolt.

 

[water]

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Well the thing about red met especially beef is not so much the meat but the BS they put in it...if you shop at whole foods and buy that vegetarian pure organic $15/lb beef

 

[bigirl]

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Do not eat raw spinach. Cook it please.

Whats wrong with raw spinach?

 

[Spectrum]

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You have no idea what you are talking about. Seriously, you have no clue. What are you talking about? This thread was about the dangers of regular sugar and sugar found in our food products. Not about toxins or HFCS, regular sugar.

Alexw. As long as I have been posting on this board, when have you known for me to post about things that I dont know anything about. If I am not very familiar and knowledge about a particular subject, I simply will not comment on it.

Alex. I have been working out for 18 years. I know a lot about the human body and specifically about nutritution.

This initial response illustrates that scientifically, you do not understand the fundamental elements on this argument if you dont understand something as simple at the direct link of artificial sweeters to cancer. This is not even debateable. This has long been scientific fact.

However, you can find no direct link between cancer and overcomsumption of high-sugar content fruits. It simply does not exist.

Furthemore, there is a video ON THIS VERY FUCKING BOARD that provides scientific evidence...documented every day for months of various people being on a raw food diet and CURING their diabetes. Scientifically, it makes sense, if you understand the principles of the raw food diet and basic human biology in terms of the affects on diet and consumption.

Also, a person is going to need to consume a hell of a lot of fruits high on sugar content to promote a diebetic state. Any link to natural fruits is going to be a basic logical problem of confusion correlation with causation. The real culprit is most likely some other factor in the persons health history or diet as opposed to fruit.

And dude, the raw diet is ridiculous. Youre trippen. Any minor nutritionist will tell you that.

This is the classic APPEAL TO AUTHORITY. I have a nutritionist in my gym here in Sao Paulo who is clueless. There are MAJOR nutritionist who support the raw food diet as well. The fact that someone supports any particular thing means nothing. At one point, the entire scientific community argue that the world was flat. The reality of the matter is that something is right because the data and logic support the argument. Who pushes the argument is rather unimportant and irrelevant in most cases.

I know celebrated economists that write some of the most ignorant things about economics.

A degree, etc does not = right.

Furthermore, have you ever use a raw food diet

Have you ever done substantical studies on the raw food diet.

Have you read any books on the raw food diet.

I would be willing to bet a million dollars that you havent read one book on it.

So where is the basic for the statement that the rood raw diet is RIDICULOUS as you state.

What is your scientific or even anecdotal evidence to support such a claim.

 

[malaki]

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alexw has a partial point. too much fruit sugar is not good. most raw food specialists recommend eating MORE VEGETABLES, especially up front. if you're going to get started with it and want to detox you should start with just about all vegetables and very little fruit. you can amp it up over time but still - vegetables should be your main diet. things like bananas are high sugar. pineapple is acidic. i personallly try to eat mainly melons and berries - those are your best bets on fruit. but variety is the key.

the shit is not a religion. i eat some eggs, some chicken, some salmon when i feel like it but not the old bullshit antibiotic filled bullshit. ONCE in awhile i eat some straight bullshit at a pakistani / indian spot or chicken and waffles but try to make most of my meat organic. day to day you don't need a lot of meat but you can eat it as long as you get your fucking raw vegetables.

but the assertion that all sugar is the same is 100% grade A bullshit. yes sugar is processed the same but fruits have fiber to balance it out and its designed BY NATURE whereas the white sugar etc. has all nutrients stripped and worse often has crap chemicals in it as part of the processing.

diabetes can be cured off this shit, cancer, etc. take the red pill and start reading up on www.dherbs.com , www.naturalnews.com etc. theres a lot of good info, but the only way to figure shit out is read multiple sources and start slow by really educating yourself. bottom line you eat a lot of vegetables / seeds / fruit that haven't been cooked you will be healthier.

 

[bigirl]

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alexw when you cook food you destroy all the lifeforce giving enzymes that also aid your digestion

 

[Flawless]

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[onyxfemme]

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Good info in here

 

[Spectrum]

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Take watermelon as an example of calculating glycemic load. Its glycemic index is pretty high, about 72.

According to the calculations by the people at the University of Sydney's Human Nutrition Unit, in a serving of 120 grams it has 6 grams of available carbohydrate per serving, so its glycemic load is pretty low, 72/100*6=4.32, rounded to 4.

I read something on this board about people doing WATERMELON Flushes for a couple of weeks to promote weight loss and detoxification. Yall cats stay posting interesting stuff...

 

[Amajorfucup]

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Furthermore, have you ever use a raw food diet

Have you read any books on the raw food diet.

...So where is the basic for the statement that the rood raw diet is RIDICULOUS as you state.

Are you sure you follow him correctly? I think he was saying that he understood that a raw diet was ridiculous meaning ridiculously beneficial??

Kinda like "not bad meaning bad but bad meaning good" type of deal??

I dont think he was questioning the legimitimacy of the health benefits of it.

 

[bigirl]

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I read something on this board about people doing WATERMELON Flushes for a couple of weeks to promote weight loss and detoxification. Yall cats stay posting interesting stuff...

I doing one today because I woke up with sore kidneys
Just 24 hours is a total kidney flush but you have to eat only watermelon and an entire HUGE watermelon

 

[Spectrum]

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alexw has a partial point. too much fruit sugar is not good. most raw food specialists recommend eating MORE VEGETABLES, especially up front.

I actually agreed with him on this point and also said he was PARTIALLY correct. One thing I had to adjust in my raw food diet was the overconsumption of certain fruits that had high sugar content. There are too many damn fruits here in Brasil and I had to adjust my consumption away from some of the fruits that just are composed of too much sugar.

There is a lot of debate in the raw food diet community (at least from what I have been reading lately) about the percentage of fruit to vegatable consumption and lots of people warn about not consuming too much fruit in a raw food diet.

The main problem is that it is just too hard to eat enough vegatables to get the vitamins and nutrients because of the low density in veggies. and I eat A LOT of veggies man... but I know that I will need to resort to green juicies and smoothies soon to really increase my intake.

 

[bigirl]

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I actually agreed with him on this point and also said he was PARTIALLY correct. One thing I had to adjust in my raw food diet was the overconsumption of certain fruits that had high sugar content. There are too many damn fruits here in Brasil and I had to adjust my consumption away from some of the fruits that just are composed of too much sugar.

There is a lot of debate in the raw food diet community (at least from what I have been reading lately) about the percentage of fruit to vegatable consumption and lots of people warn about not consuming too much fruit in a raw food diet.

The main problem is that it is just too hard to eat enough vegatables to get the vitamins and nutrients because of the low density in veggies. and I eat A LOT of veggies man... but I know that I will need to resort to green juicies and smoothies soon to really increase my intake.

Do you sprout grains and legumes in your raw food diet?

 

[Spectrum]

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Are you sure you follow him correctly? I think he was saying that he understood that a raw diet was ridiculous meaning ridiculously beneficial??

Kinda like "not bad meaning bad but bad meaning good" type of deal??

I dont think he was questioning the legimitimacy of the health benefits of it.

Damn.. am I that off right now?.. I was sure he was saying that the raw diet was garbage...and that would make sense considering him promoting high consumption of meat

 

[CoTtOnMoUf]

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If you're going to eat red meat you can do it fine in moderation. Eat a steak no bigger than your fist. The problem is Americans eat these giant half a cow sized cuts of beef. We over do it. It's about moderation with everything. Red meat is ok if you don't eat it every day in large quantities. I would recommend eating fish at least 3 times per week. Salmon preferably.

Do not eat raw spinach. Cook it please. Broccoli is best for you, Lentals are good also. Please watch the aspartame I personally do not believe enough studies have been done on it to warrant ingesting it. Diabetics you're not exactly save as I've seen studies while in Medical school that suggest aspartame can still spike blood sugar levels.

umm...

why not raw spinach?

 

[Amajorfucup]

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...and I eat A LOT of veggies man... but I know that I will need to resort to green juicies and smoothies soon to really increase my intake.

Check post #89. I posted a nice green smoothie i use.

Damn.. am I that off right now?.. I was sure he was saying that the raw diet was garbage...and that would make sense considering him promoting high consumption of meat

Considering some of the things he's said here you may be right (unfortunately).

 

[JD Walker]

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Do not eat raw spinach.

Because of ecoli? I love raw spinach.

 

[Spectrum]

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Do you sprout grains and legumes in your raw food diet?

Nope (but i have been reading about sprouting grains). Seriously, I have lots of things to do in order to get the real benefits. I do make a lot of natural juices.. but I am not juicing, doing smoothies, not eating some of the algaes etc that people have posted about here.

I just eat lots of raw fruits and vegatable. I am fortunate that I live in Brasil and have easy access to a plethora of organic fruits and vegatables. There are literally trucks that pull up around the corner from my place every day that bring organic fruits and veggies.

I can also get superfruits like acai, cupuacu, camu-camu and acerola that actually has 100 times the vitamic c of an orange

 

[alexw]

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Alexw. As long as I have been posting on this board, when have you known for me to post about things that I dont know anything about. If I am not very familiar and knowledge about a particular subject, I simply will not comment on it.

Alex. I have been working out for 18 years. I know a lot about the human body and specifically about nutritution.

This initial response illustrates that scientifically, you do not understand the fundamental elements on this argument if you dont understand something as simple at the direct link of artificial sweeters to cancer. This is not even debateable. This has long been scientific fact.

However, you can find no direct link between cancer and overcomsumption of high-sugar content fruits. It simply does not exist.

Furthemore, there is a video ON THIS VERY FUCKING BOARD that provides scientific evidence...documented every day for months of various people being on a raw food diet and CURING their diabetes. Scientifically, it makes sense, if you understand the principles of the raw food diet and basic human biology in terms of the affects on diet and consumption.

Also, a person is going to need to consume a hell of a lot of fruits high on sugar content to promote a diebetic state. Any link to natural fruits is going to be a basic logical problem of confusion correlation with causation. The real culprit is most likely some other factor in the persons health history or diet as opposed to fruit.





This is the classic APPEAL TO AUTHORITY. I have a nutritionist in my gym here in Sao Paulo who is clueless. There are MAJOR nutritionist who support the raw food diet as well. The fact that someone supports any particular thing means nothing. At one point, the entire scientific community argue that the world was flat. The reality of the matter is that something is right because the data and logic support the argument. Who pushes the argument is rather unimportant and irrelevant in most cases.

I know celebrated economists that write some of the most ignorant things about economics.

A degree, etc does not = right.

Furthermore, have you ever use a raw food diet

Have you ever done substantical studies on the raw food diet.

Have you read any books on the raw food diet.

I would be willing to bet a million dollars that you havent read one book on it.

So where is the basic for the statement that the rood raw diet is RIDICULOUS as you state.

What is your scientific or even anecdotal evidence to support such a claim.

Context means everything. Once again where did I say anything about artificial sweeteners?Where bruh? Youre going way out on left field to appear knowledgeable.

We're talking about sugar here. Fructose, Glucose, and sucrose.

We werent talking about cancer

Where are you going with that?

And if a raw food diet was really that effective in curing diabetes, would we truly have diabetics today?

Come on bruh, your reasoning is absurd.

Now dont get me wrong it may work for some but millions of people have diabetes.


And what is your protein source if you dont mind me asking?

Please dont say soy


Finally, my library has at least 200 books on health alone. Dont insult me bruh.

Ive noticed that when some of you brothers are challenged, then oh we dont read, we're misguided, bla bla bla.

Wake up and listen.

And eat some fucking meat.

 

[water]

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Because of ecoli? I love raw spinach.

Good. Keep eating it.........

j/k

 

[Spectrum]

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Check post #89. I posted a nice green smoothie i use.

Cool man..thanks. I have to go that route because I found it just too difficult to actually eat enough veggies throughout the day and I know that smoothies are the way I need to go....especially on workout days.

 

[bigirl]

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Nope (but i have been reading about sprouting grains). Seriously, I have lots of things to do in order to get the real benefits. I do make a lot of natural juices.. but I am not juicing, doing smoothies, not eating some of the algaes etc that people have posted about here.

I just eat lots of raw fruits and vegatable. I am fortunate that I live in Brasil and have easy access to a plethora of organic fruits and vegatables. There are literally trucks that pull up around the corner from my place every day that bring organic fruits and veggies.

I can also get superfruits like acai, cupuacu, camu-camu and acerola that actually has 100 times the vitamic c of an orange

OK but seriously to get your protein and all your nutrients you need to look into sprouting and soaking grains and legumes and nuts

http://www.raw-food-living.com/soaking-nuts.html
http://www.rawfoodfirst.com/raw-food-diets.html
http://www.living-foods.com/articles/sprouting.html

 

[Flawless]

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hmm some of y'all keep bring up all these different kinds of food, how the hell do you find time to eat all of them unless you home all day eating

 

[34real]

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Alexw is right but so is the other guy.But the arguement/debate stems from an older version of what they call complex carbs/sugar(good) vs simple carbs/sugar(bad).But now in 09 its not that serious anymore and whether its a starshy carb,fruit,add-on(dressings),brown sugar or sugar itself,it all equals the same thing-SUGAR(glucose).


I know this because like Ive said before Ive been a diabetic my whole life(since I was 5,injections) and Ive attended diabetic camp every year since I was 5 until I was about 14 and every year what the dietians told us would change in away of simplfing everything,even for themselves.

Carbs are sugar,sugar is sugar,anything with sugar in it is considered sugar which is glucose.

I do disagree with him(alexw) on avoiding carbs because thats bad to do.You can cut down on carbs,good or bad but you can not avoid them all together or your asking to crash&burn at the end of the week.

Disclaimer:Im no expert at this but Ive been throught it enough in my short life to be able to speak on it a little bit...coma,diabetic shock,high's,low's been there & done that.

 

[bigirl]

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hmm some of y'all keep bring up all these different kinds of food, how the hell do you find time to eat all of them unless you home all day eating

Doesn't take any longer than eating other food

 

[Flawless]

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Doesn't take any longer than eating other food

nope but unless you eating really large portions i dont see how any of you get time to eat everything mentioned

 

[bigirl]

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nope but unless you eating really large portions i dont see how any of you get time to eat everything mentioned

its not that you eat all those different things every single day there is diet rotation involved

 

[alexw]

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Alexw is right but so is the other guy.But the arguement/debate stems from an older version of what they call complex carbs/sugar(good) vs simple carbs/sugar(bad).But now in 09 its not that serious anymore and whether its a starshy carb,fruit,add-on(dressings),brown sugar or sugar itself,it all equals the same thing-SUGAR(glucose).


I know this because like Ive said before Ive been a diabetic my whole life(since I was 5,injections) and Ive attended diabetic camp every year since I was 5 until I was about 14 and every year what the dietians told us would change in away of simplfing everything,even for themselves.

Carbs are sugar,sugar is sugar,anything with sugar in it is considered sugar which is glucose.

I do disagree with him(alexw) on avoiding carbs because thats bad to do.You can cut down on carbs,good or bad but you can not avoid them all together or your asking to crash&burn at the end of the week.

Disclaimer:Im no expert at this but Ive been throught it enough in my short life to be able to speak on it a little bit...coma,diabetic shock,high's,low's been there & done that.

Nah, I stated that you should eat a shit load of good carbs two times a week.

Thats all you need.

For the other 5, simply eat meat and veggies. And always eat them in a combination.

Eggs, cheese, and some dairy products are cool too...but dont drink any sort of milk

Its fool proof and youll be the healthiest uve ever been

 

[malaki]

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And if a raw food diet was really that effective in curing diabetes, would we truly have diabetics today?

fuck outta here

right because americans love to eat right, and the corporations and medical / drug industry have our best interest at heart

all you have to look at is people who move from places where they eat traditionally to the US or move to a US like diet they get diabetes cancer etc. at a far higher rate. i think they did a study on japanese females, the difference is astounding when they are in the US.

thats terrible logic on your point.

 

[alexw]

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nope but unless you eating really large portions i dont see how any of you get time to eat everything mentioned

exactly, and a man should eat his body weight in protein because we're always building and maintaining muscle unlike women

 

[unknownsoldier]

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the sugar you get from fruits arent bad for you

not exactly, my doc advised me light on the grapes, melons, & bananas as the sugar is harmful for diabetics or someone on the fringe.

 

[Spectrum]

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Context means everything. Once again where did I say anything about artificial sweeteners?Where bruh? Youre going way out on left field to appear knowledgeable..

I understand the context perfectly. If you are talking about sugars, it is impossible to have a relevant debate without both discussing natural and artificial sweeteners.

This is not left-field. Your premise that natural fruit is unhealthy BUT you can eat as much meat as you want is just simply a fallicous statement.

We're talking about sugar here. Fructose, Glucose, and sucrose.

We werent talking about cancer?

Where are you going with that?

See above.

This is a health debate. You are discussing diabetes. I am telling you that we have documentaries on this board that show that not only do natural fruits not cause diabetes that the inclusion of fruits(in a raw food diet) can actually reverse the effects diabetes and cure people. Im not making this up. The damn video is on this board.

And if a raw food diet was really that effective in curing diabetes, would we truly have diabetics today?

Come on Alex. Lets not confusion human behavior with science.

That like saying if cigarettes are so unhealthy, why do people smoke them.

That is the equivalent of your response.

Reading is good for language development...daily walks are great for cardiovacsular system.. but do people do them every day

Come on bruh, your reasoning is absurd.

where is that COME ON SON gif...especially considering your response above

And what is your protein source if you dont mind me asking?

Finally, my library has at 200 books on health alone. Dont insult me bruh.

Ive noticed that when some of you brothers are challenged, then oh we dont read, we're misguided, bla bla bla.

Wake up and listen.

And eat some fucking meat.

You can get protein from fruits, nuts, etc. There are even plant based protein supplements. There are fruits that have HIGH protien bases...especially here in brasil..

Also, I said I am on a 70 percent raw good diet. I still eat chicken breasts, fish, and lean beat very occasionally.

But Alex.. you have not challenged the opinion of anyone scientifically or even logically. I dont feel like you have really challenged anything beyond just making proclamations... you are doing the glenn beck argument man...

The only thing you have done is thrown insults at people and not supported even ONE of your claims with ONE scienfically-based supposition.

I just find out very unlikely that you have read 200 health related books.

 

[alexw]

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fuck outta here

right because americans love to eat right, and the corporations and medical / drug industry have our best interest at heart

all you have to look at is people who move from places where they eat traditionally to the US or move to a US like diet they get diabetes cancer etc. at a far higher rate. i think they did a study on japanese females, the difference is astounding when they are in the US.

thats terrible logic on your point.

so what youre saying is that diabetes is only occurring in rich nations?

come on bruh

 

[bigirl]

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so what youre saying is that diabetes is only occurring in rich nations?

come on bruh

in nations where people eat a lot of white refined sugar and flour

 

[Perplex]

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carbs are carbs man

I hate when people try to make them different

one simply has more nutrients than the other

you "hate" when people try to make them different? lol ok man

anyways, there is a big diff in simple and complex carbs when it comes to exercise. go study up on it