But the other is so well written.
The Difference Between "Hip-Hop" & "Rap"
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But the other is so well written.
wow,great read
im not going to get into the debate about MC's or who's the realest because then we are going to go off into the whole Jamaican's started it and the James Brown/ Muhammad Ali argument
singing is not a core part of hiphop culture, singing is music but its not key to hiphop
the 4 elements arent singing djing breakin and graffiti
if thats the case Blondie should be considered hiphop because they have rapping on 1 of there songs, they were down with the culture but in reality they were a punk rock/new wave band
My nigga!!! Thank you............
This whole music thing gets fucked up when people start trying to apply rules!!!
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i was about to post the same shit..i didn't get that one
you know what trips me out? When people that lived in the 80's act as if NONE of the rappers back then talked about sex, and drugs in their lyrics. The only true difference is that many rappers today, do not have their own voice anymore. Hip hop was good when parents would protest the shit. That's with all music to be honest.
When the last rapper you heard that was actually SHOCKING? Where's the ODB's, Mystikal's, hell even Busta toned it down. This is what missing with hip hop. All that other shit has just evolved. Originality is what the game is lacking!!!
When the last rapper you heard that was actually SHOCKING? Where's the ODB's, Mystikal's, hell even Busta toned it down. This is what missing with hip hop. All that other shit has just evolved. Originality is what the game is lacking!!!
The difference was that they didn't only talk about those subjects. There was a variety in the music of hip-hop/rap in the 80's/90's. Not much of a variety now. Now it's just about metaphors, and sounding hard.
Took the word from my fingertips... ELITIST.
I'd like to add two more... BEYOND RETARDED. The list is totally subjective and anything the old fart who wrote it doesn't like qualifies as rap (99% of todays music) but all the older stuff is somehow magical and elevated.
As far as NWA "rapping about how hard it was to live in the hood," PLEASE. Just because you feel nostalgia about something doesn't make it any better, NWA were just innovators of the bullshit we have today.
11. Hip Hop is art conscious. Rap is image conscious.
16. Hip Hop is writing what you feel. Rap is chanting what sells.
Those middle class sellouts were all about what sells and couldn't have been more image conscious.
8. Hip Hop is battling on the microphone. Rap is cowardly battling in the streets.
They claimed to be Niggas with Attitude, not skills, 'nuff said... NWA glorified battling off wax.
But some of you grew up with it, so I guess it gets a pass...
In the era of 1,000+ murders a year in America's major cities, N.W.A. and the like had a far more negative impact than positive.
This thread is bullshit.
End thread.
bingo...give that man a cigar!!!!
hip hop is the culture...rap is one element in that culture..
fuck outta here wit that hip hop vs rap bullshit. I find value in everything from M-1 to Pimp C and all points in between. Can't say I agree with everything that any one person says, but I find substance where it lies and just say to each his own. There's no significance in differentiating between the two.
Some of both yo so called "hip hop" and "rap" niggas all bought this Obama will save us all crap hook line and sinker; not knowing O just in there doing what Wall Street and the Federal Reserve (a private company by the way that isn't a real "federal" entity at all) tell him to do. Props to Dead Prez for seeing through the B.S.
Some of both yo so called "hip hop" and "rap" niggas all bought this Obama will save us all crap hook line and sinker; not knowing O just in there doing what Wall Street and the Federal Reserve (a private company by the way that isn't a real "federal" entity at all) tell him to do. Props to Dead Prez for seeing through the B.S.
Nigga on a porn board trying to call out "rap" for booty dancers and strippers. Anyone notice anything odd about that!?!?!? LoL
This was written by a FEMALE wanna be Journalist who prob hangs out with some NEO-SOUL crowd who romanticize HipHop when they were kids.. Totally catching Amnesia about all the other shit going on because she was a kid.
RAP is the SPOKEN WORD (1 Part of the Culture)
HIPHOP is the CULTURE (The Collective Conscious and Unconscious)
Is there a Difference?
Is there a difference?
RAP is the SPOKEN WORD (1 Part of the Culture)
HIPHOP is the CULTURE (The Collective Conscious and Unconscious)
Guess he never heard of the infamous SP1200 ( yes Y'all, its a Computer)
Last time I checked, Big Lez was a Big Booty Dancer and Robotic Routines was known was Pop Lockin' and Electric Boogie. Anyone remember IOU Dancers?
Music is Entertainment.
What? Brothers didnt love money back in the day? I remember in Wild Style Busy B was counting his ONES. Cash Money Money to the Bill.. to the Bee Eye Double El Bill.
How the fuck is Rap "Graphic Designers"? Rap aint the name of the Culture.
Now Throw Ya Hands in the Air... And Wave Em Like You Just Don't Care.. I heard this a Million times in the 80's. over and over...
Like hell we don't. I remember RUN DMC.
Some of the best Battles I seen was at Block parties. No Microphones. Just Ciphers. If hes talking about Violence, Ill remember to tell Scott La Rock How how much he aint Hiphop when I see him.
Whats the difference. Its both owned by the same JEWS.
Is there a Difference? Is there a difference?Ill remember that the next time I have Flash backs of the 1980's early 1990's.
And Queen Latifah is sure reppin "The REAL" these days.
You cant win to lose with this guy.
Ill remember that the next time I have Flash backs of 1982
What if What you feel actually sells?
Blame Lauryn Hill for that.
18. Hip Hop is Queen Latifah’s “Ladies First.” Rap is Shawna’s “Getting’ Some Head.”[/qoute]
Where does BWP's "Eat My Pussy" fall?
This dude (I assume is a Female Now) has no idea shes comparing Jr. High School Students to Grown Women.
Guess this person never been to a party with Five Percenters.
Ill remember that the next time I have Flash Backs of the early 1980's
If it aint a Turntablist Battle, then it really shouldn't matter.
Somewhere Slick Rick is Frowning.
I think Schooly D and Just-Ice didn't get the memo.
If only this person knew how FAKE "BEAT STREET" was. Remember the Gospel Song at the end?
So when Hip Hop finally decided to go to the Grammy's (1 year later) did they officially become RAP ?
Whats the Difference?
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Kurtis Blow's "DAYDREAMING"
Whats the difference?
What's the difference? Father MC was MASE. Heavy D was BIGGIE. Mary J was FAITH. Jodeci was 112.... What's the difference?
agreed. And not even on a hating vibe, I'd really like to sit down with homie so he could explain that one.
You're straddling the fence a bit.
I was referring to the actual product as being a curveball, not Kanye himself.
And I'm not defending Kanye, I just threw it out there as a point of reference. I could argue both sides of this being or not being a hip hop album, as can many others.
According to the stated list, that you've provided, this is how Kanye West's The College Dropout (not Kanye of today) measures:
Hip Hop - 2 3 4 6 7 9 12 13 15 16 21 24 25
Rap - 1 5 8 10 14 18 23 26 27 29 30
Split - 11 17 19 22 28
And in reference to your Kanye "provided plenty of tracks to the mainstream clowns who have helped ruin Hip-HOp." Your statement.
To Whom?
That is a myth. A very popular, yet false statement that you have presented. It's believable on face value but . . . This-Is-A-Myth.
And let's not forget his contributions to Be and Finding Forever.
Yeah, and helping Jigga "dumb down his lyrics to double his profits" and giving beats to all drama kings in Hip-Hop like The Game and 50 Cent and people like that. And let's not forget him jumping on the whole Auto-Tune trend
Says who? You think Melle Mel could spit? KRS couldn't spit? Kool Moe Dee couldn't spit? Really?
I agree, but Force MD's actually were rappers who turned into singers and Cult Jam was made up of an assorted bunch of former B-boys and people "in the culture"
And all those rappers who are broke and rappin' that same bullshit are wack as hell too. What's your point? 50 = wack, but at least paid.
Says who?
My nigga!!! Thank you............
Hip-Hop is a culture. All cultures have tenets and belief systems.
Who said he was? He just told the truth to you ignorant ass niggaz out trumpeting Lil Wayne as the "Greatest MC Alive" and shit.
Nobody said they didn't, but if that was all they had, they were dissed and considered not "real". Ask Luther Campbell about the reception that he got from "real" Hip-Hop fans back in 1988? Diversity was a key to Hip-Hop and so was originality.
Get the hell out of here. THERE WAS NO NWA BEFORE NWA. That's called what? ORIGINALITY. NWA didn't bite anybody. That's what made them Hip-Hop. They weren't put together by Puffy on "Makin' The Band" or some bullshit reality show. They never expected to sell what they did, because they never got played on the radio and were only played on MTV towards the end of their career. They were REJECTED by every major record comapany in America. They made music for the hood, not for suburban White kids, like today's rappers. They HAPPENED to cross over. They didn't devote their careers to crossing over, like today's rappers, who come with the same repetitive formulas of "club song" "street song" "R&B song" "single" and the rest of the album is filler.
And Ice Cube killed plenty of MC's careers on the mic. He's one of the greatest battle rappers ever. Listen to "No Vaseline" "King of the Hill". Please.
Even non-Hip-HOp critics have had to recognize NWA's ARTISTIC merit, because they were at least GOOD. You have the sound of some dude who learned about Hip-Hop from listening to other people talk about HIp-Hop and think he know shit.
Crime actually went down for 15 straight years starting right after NWA's reign in Hip-Hop.
Try again
I aint never thought that about Obama. I tried to educate the rest of these Obama ball-huggers about their guy.
The whole thread saved by one response. Thank you
Nigga on a porn board trying to call out "rap" for booty dancers and strippers. Anyone notice anything odd about that!?!?!? LoL
Um . . . . no. This isn't a "Hip-Hop" board, just a Black porn board. All Black people aren't HIp-Hop, you know that right? And nobody said you can't enjoy porn, even if you are Hip-HOp, but if that's the only thing as an artist you have is wack ass booty-shakin' rhymes, then you're a wack ass nigga. Str8 up.
I'm sure a lot of great MC's like porn. . . . They didn't resort to makin' bullshit records because of it.
Hip-Hop
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Rap
[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/wEdWAaLu9iU[/FLASH]
Rap
I swear I want to take the OP and the writer and burn them alive.
That is how mad I am at this utter bullshit.
It is the dumbest shit I have ever seen or heard.
I hope this idiocy does not catch on.
I would understand if they said real rap vs commercial rap.
But the OP and writer do not know what hip hop even is.
God!!!
That is how mad I am at this utter bullshit.
It is the dumbest shit I have ever seen or heard.
I hope this idiocy does not catch on.
I would understand if they said real rap vs commercial rap.
But the OP and writer do not know what hip hop even is.
God!!!
Does anyone else feel sick to their stomach when they hear that "Stanky Leg" song? I just made a mix cd for a female I know 25 yo here's some of what she requested
"You got me going-Turf Talk"
Cupcakin, no filling -Trunk Boiz"
Pussy Killer -YG pUSHAZ"
That's all I can bear to type. I'm 28 and grew up during the golden-silver age of hip-hop and consider myself a true hip hop head, as all that get's played in regular rotation is all my classic shit. I can't stand hearing that corny shyt they play today. Half these "artist" can't even form a proper sentence when speaking, yet that's what these kids/ grown ass adults still acting 14 find hot.
Off my soapbox
"You got me going-Turf Talk"
Cupcakin, no filling -Trunk Boiz"
Pussy Killer -YG pUSHAZ"
That's all I can bear to type. I'm 28 and grew up during the golden-silver age of hip-hop and consider myself a true hip hop head, as all that get's played in regular rotation is all my classic shit. I can't stand hearing that corny shyt they play today. Half these "artist" can't even form a proper sentence when speaking, yet that's what these kids/ grown ass adults still acting 14 find hot.
Off my soapbox
Does anyone else feel sick to their stomach when they hear that "Stanky Leg" song? I just made a mix cd for a female I know 25 yo here's some of what she requested
"You got me going-Turf Talk"
Cupcakin, no filling -Trunk Boiz"
Pussy Killer -YG pUSHAZ"
That's all I can bear to type. I'm 28 and grew up during the golden-silver age of hip-hop and consider myself a true hip hop head, as all that get's played in regular rotation is all my classic shit. I can't stand hearing that corny shyt they play today. Half these "artist" can't even form a proper sentence when speaking, yet that's what these kids/ grown ass adults still acting 14 find hot.
Off my soapbox
sometimes a bitch just wanna dance, and hear about someone fucking the shit out of them.
Don't get mad at the chick for wanting that......just act upon it...
BOTH of these are RAPS - 2 Different STYLES of RAP -- just like 2 Live Crew , NWA and Public Enemy are all Rappers and part of HIPHOP CULTURE.
Stanky Leg is todays version of The Pee Wee Herman (Joe Ski Love)
I agree with this. People like to box in the culture too much. I may not agree with some of the crap, but having an elitist attitude is just as bad. If you look at history this is where all the damn beefs stem from such as the east not liking what the west was doing or Andre telling people at the Source Awards that the south had something to say too.
These labels of this and that is another form of branding and commercializing the culture for mass production. KRS-One broke that shit down when he said what he said which has already been posted(and I'm not the biggest KRS 1 fan either).
Hell to the naw. You're giving this BS a pass like that?
The Pee Wee Herman was silly, yet original. How many additional Pee Wee's do you want?
There has always been a clear distinction between "real hip hop" and "rap." That list provided is just too lengthy to be taken as the gospel IMO.
And let's put this into context. Follow me. Let's put this into context. When I'm talking about considered "hip hop." I'm talking about "respect by your peers as thus." Respected by your peers as such.
Meaning how many people in the industry would consider this hip hop art?
*crickets*
While at the same time, that track from Mikkey is original and refreshing.
Originality is the first and foremost rule in hip hop. Add to the game. Make something thought provoking. And those cats you speak for are manufactured though I'm not mad at them.
You guys can't be that STUPID
The writer and myself ASSUMED that YOU are smart enough to know the difference between hyperbole and literal speech. We're smart enough to know that the Souljah Boy is a rapper and Rap is one of the 4 tenets of Hip-Hop culture, therefore making him a part of Hip-Hop culture. We're talking about Hip-Hop in a FIGURATIVE, or poetic sense. Only dumb asses come into every thread like this talking about "y'all don't know what Hip-Hop is", because you're not smart enough to know that nobody's talking about the "technical" definition of Hip-Hop.
It would be like a rock head saying, "Fall Out Boy" isn't rock, Led Zeppelin is". You could go on any forum on the WWW and see that sentiment. Now, common sense would tell that both play guitar based music in a band making them both TECHNICALLY rock bands, but what they mean by that is that Led Zeppelin encompassed the spirit and authenticity of what Rock-N-Roll is, meaning the talent, balls, originality, and most importantly, the respect of those who LOVE THE CULTURE, not just passing fans or people who aren't well versed in Rock N Roll music.
That is what "real" means in the sense of what's "real" and "fake" in Hip-Hop. Rodney Dangerfield had a rap hit in the early '80s with "Rappin' Rodney". Is he an MC? Is he to be considered Hip-Hop now? Of course not, because he was just cashing in on a trend and isn't part of what is considered relevant in Hip-Hop culture. It was a "novelty" and not to be taken seriously by people who actually love the culture and participate in the tenets of the music and culture.
Somebody like say. . . Rakim is seen as "real" Hip-Hop because he practiced his craft of MCin' enough to become great at it, meaning he had to CARE enough about Hip-Hop to want to be great at it, and then he influenced others to be great at it, not just because he wanted to ONLY get paid, but because he had respect for all the MC's before him enough to want to be good at it and not just do some bullshit that only appeals to teenage White girls and dumb niggaz like y'all, because they're the ones who buy all the records. He wanted to be respected by people who loved Hip-Hop before him and people who loved Hip-Hop after him. That is why he is considered "real" and guys who only do Hip-Hop to get paid or sugar coat their rhymes to sell to people who don't love the culture aren't.
Eric B & Rakim, Ice Cube, KRS-One, Public Enemy and a lot of others all had enough LOVE for the culture to try to be GREAT at it, which is why they are respected. Also, they all had enough love for their people that they made music FOR US, even if it meant that they wouldn't sell as many records as MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice. They also talked about what it was like to be Black in Amerikkka and have issues with the police, with drugs, with gangs, with violence, and were smart enough to make people understand what it was like to have those things to deal with
It's sad to see how naive you guys really are. You're not educating anybody with your whole "Everything's TECHNICALLY Hip-Hop" spiel, you're only making yourselves look stupid.
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