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eewwll said:
c/s. McCain to come out of this with only a tie is a loss..big time failure... what is he going to do? win the debate on the economy:confused::confused: McCain's opportunities to get back in this race are dwindling daily
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Good points. George Will is calling it an Obama win, because Obama tied McCain. George said that most political observers expected McCain to destroy Obama in this particular debate, and that McCain needed to show Obama didn't belong on the same stage with him (that's what all the "Senator Obama clearly doesn't understand..." bullshit McCain was spittin' was all about). Instead, Obama stood toe-to-toe with McCain without making any major gaffs or stumbles. Obama clearly showed that he could hold his own against McCain and that's all he needed to do. George used the baseball analogy of "tie goes to the runner." Since Obama only needed a tie to win, he won.
 
Makkonnen said:
u cant settle for a draw
u cant let a lying old man get off his lies without responding

obama let mccain dominate him - bullshit lies or not he overspoke him

never concede shit

he should have gotten passionate about mccain lying,

for example he coulda said
"john youre showing us why you couldnt define the word honor when a journalist asked you the other day. The 4000 dead soldiers who died fighting people who had nothing to do with 911 deserve better. Dont dishonor yourself by rejecting truth John."
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I have to agree with you. Obama should have merked McCain tonight. People are really pissed off at the Republicans and Obama had a chance to make McCain look like a old confused man.
 
MzKittyDelicious said:
And thats where we differ... with me you either one way or the other. I don't respect people who "ride the fence"... but I do know that if he didnt ride it he wouldnt be this close to a win.

so it comes down to do you want to be respected for being true to yourself or for being turned into a puppet to become president?!
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I respect people who know how to maneuver in a clever manner without sacrificing their principles. The man has had the wherewithal to make it this far...underestimating his strategy, which has worked thus far, makes no sense at this point.
 
chillwillwonka said:
Kitty I think you are misinterpreting this man seversly. This is not an ACT! If you look at old footage and here people talk about him, this is who he is.

You acting like he was Malcolm X and then cleaned it up. If that was the case he would have been exposed long time ago.

He is not "riding the fence" ya'll. Obama is and we are seeing now that he is his OWN man. Love it or Hate it, he will win or lose this election without selling HIMSELF out.
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I'll be back in 2 minutes to hammer into your ass :lol:


I need to consult with my chief annalist...

j/k

I don't believe that... go back and watch the debate.... read his face. This dude is stratigizing. But alas I have no real facts to back up my rebuttal.... so I'll let you win this one:hmm:


but wait... so you sitting up here telling me that you really think Obama was clueless to what Rev. Wright was really preaching about?!
 
AristotlesOwn said:
I respect people who know how to maneuver in a clever manner without sacrificing their principles. The man has had the wherewithal to make it this far...underestimating his strategy, which has worked thus far, makes no sense at this point.
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when keepin' it real goes wrong.
 
All Obama needed to do was neutralize McCains strong point: National and Foreign Security which he was supposed to run away with tonight. He [McCain] failed at making a clear distinction that he's the best one to trust. Each base agrees with their candidate. You can't judge the performance by that. Independents have been responding well with Obama.

Fuck the spin machine.
 
Makkonnen said:
As far as strict debating goes - mccain was pummeled- but this isnt a real debate - its american politics and although Obama won all points on accuracy and honesty McCain punched and ran around looking busy at the end and confused the retarded biased judges - that didnt have to happen- Obama could have just bludgeoned him but he didnt
thats weakness - people dont respond to that shit on a subconscious level
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If the bank failure and wallstreet "clusterfuck" hadn't happen this week, I'd agree with you. Americans are idiots when it comes to politics. However, with the economy so clearly in the shitter, I think independents and those blue collar workers might pay a little bit more attention to the substance. I think to those people who might even lean McCain, they are sitting at home going "okay, but what about the substance?" This economy shit I believe (I hope) has made people become more aware that the issues matter.
 
HeathCliff said:
All Obama needed to do was neutralize McCains strong point: National and Foreign Security which he was supposed to run away with tonight. He failed at making a clear distinction that he's the best one to trust. Each base agrees with their candidate. You can't judge the performance by that. Independents have been responding well with Obama.

Fuck the spin machine.
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:lol::lol::lol::yes::yes::yes:
 
Makkonnen said:
As far as strict debating goes - mccain was pummeled- but this isnt a real debate - its american politics and although Obama won all points on accuracy and honesty McCain punched and ran around looking busy at the end and confused the retarded biased judges - that didnt have to happen- Obama could have just bludgeoned him but he didnt
thats weakness - people dont respond to that shit on a subconscious level





thats why BO had to do it with a patriotic calm tone- "our country needs you to be honest john, why cant you do it john? our nation needs the maverick mccain not the keating 5 mccain"

mccain would flip the fuck out



yeah theres no way in hell mclame wins fair and square(no mason) but theyre gonna pull out all the stops
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:lol:

Like I said, verbal skull fucking. I do think he called a liar by stepping over him andcutting him down by correcting him.
 
marchetta said:
Guilliani counted 16 times. NBC had Bidden to talk about the debate for the Dems. They asked for Palin to talk for the Repubs, but they said HELLL NOOO! and sent Gulliani instead. WTF? They got that bitch chained in the basement, like a crazy aunt! :lol:
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I think Obama came out on top from this debate. I wish he would've stuck McCorpse's ass on a couple points, but I guess he let it go to stay tactful. Did anyone else notice how Obama spoke directly to Mccain the whole damn time and the ol coot couldn't look him in the eye once?
 
I believe Obama just ripped that ass. I would be surprised if he doesn't get a nice bump in the following polls.

I know some of you disagree, and think he should have dug in that ass. I disagree. He appeared to be the calm, cool, diplomatic candidate who will convincingly argue that he can work together in a bipartisan manner to solve our biggest issues.

He didn't back down, he didn't give anything up, he was decisive, competent. That's the type of president people are looking for now. Someone who will have the balls to agree on points, but still disagree on the bigger issue.

Plus, McCain is waning right now. He picked a horrible running mate, he continues to use talking points instead of answering the questions. Obama ripped him repeatedly on Kissinger stating that he thinks the next president needs to meet with Middle East leaders without preconditions (it seems that McCain didn't know the stance of his own advisor).

Over and over, Obama made the point that McCain has been wrong and will not admit it. That will resonate with the independents who just want a president who will do whatever it takes to solve the major issues.

Yeah, he didn't go for the jugular... but he doesn't have to at this point. He's smarter than that, the media is ripping McCain and Palin, he doesn't need to. It will make it easier for him to work together across party lines once he's president. Eventually he will drive that point home once it's too late for McCain to make the same claim after his and Palin's divisive campaigning.
 
ClevelandDawg216 said:
nice avy. :hmm:

aiight, it was a draw, but barack did his thing. i had to catch myself from expecting a knockout, but all the pundits are saying he looked presidential, and held his own, considering this is mcstoopid's expertise. :rolleyes:
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Case Closed.

Just because we the people want to see Obama 'dig in that ass' doesn't mean that it would be a politically sound move for a black man. If this was a level playing field, I would be all over the "CUT THIS CRYPT KEEPER SHIT STAIN LOOKIN' BITCH!!!!!!" argument, but it just can't happen yet.

If it was Al Gore or John Kerry, all of these arguments would be more than valid. However, Obama can not afford to be seen as the angry black man.
 
keysersoze said:
I have to agree with you. Obama should have merked McCain tonight. People are really pissed off at the Republicans and Obama had a chance to make McCain look like a old confused man.
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word up - people dont want to reach across the fuckin aisle - they want to burn down the other half of the fuckin room for being dumbasses who fucked everything up

obama doesnt realize the political capital he has - all he needs to do is be a center left reagan - dont take shit act savvy and cool and instill faith that you got your shit together

no matter what mccain does the only way he looks like he has his shit together is if Obama falls apart next to him - the only time theyre side by side is in a debate

the sheep just want a halfway decent shepherd to keep the wolves off their ass - if u look scared of the wolf its over
 
I definitely think Obama won the debate. McCain had his moments sticking to the experience vs inexperience talking points but he never talked about the future with any clarity. Sometimes he didn't even answer the question asked. I thought Obama countered him beautifully all night. he had a couple of stumbles, the worst of which I thought was on the Russia issue where he rambled into talk about sources of alternative energy but Obama talked more about specifics of where the country is going and what we have to do in the future. McCain talked to his base. Obama spoke to everyone. Nothing wrong with Obama saying "John is right" or "I agree" if you listen to the context in which he said it. he wasn't talking about policy issues. he CLEARLY stated his differences on positions there. Obama was showing an air of flexibility and good sense and I don't think it hurt him at all. the first half of the debate Obama was spanking him pretty bad. McCain did well on "knowledge" of foreign policy and trying to point out Obama's lack of it but Obama looked like a decisive leader throughout. he hammered home the lack of credible judgement. Great performance IMO.
 
vitrifier said:
I believe Obama just ripped that ass. I would be surprised if he doesn't get a nice bump in the following polls.

I know some of you disagree, and think he should have dug in that ass. I disagree. He appeared to be the calm, cool, diplomatic candidate who will convincingly argue that he can work together in a bipartisan manner to solve our biggest issues.

He didn't back down, he didn't give anything up, he was decisive, competent. That's the type of president people are looking for now. Someone who will have the balls to agree on points, but still disagree on the bigger issue.

Plus, McCain is waning right now. He picked a horrible running mate, he continues to use talking points instead of answering the questions. Obama ripped him repeatedly on Kissinger stating that he thinks the next president needs to meet with Middle East leaders without preconditions (it seems that McCain didn't know the stance of his own advisor).

Over and over, Obama made the point that McCain has been wrong and will not admit it. That will resonate with the independents who just want a president who will do whatever it takes to solve the major issues.

Yeah, he didn't go for the jugular... but he doesn't have to at this point. He's smarter than that, the media is ripping McCain and Palin, he doesn't need to. It will make it easier for him to work together across party lines once he's president. Eventually he will drive that point home once it's too late for McCain to make the same claim after his and Palin's divisive campaigning.
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C/S
 
AristotlesOwn said:
I respect people who know how to maneuver in a clever manner without sacrificing their principles. The man has had the wherewithal to make it this far...underestimating his strategy, which has worked thus far, makes no sense at this point.
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Clever? or Played It Safe....

can you honestly say you know where this dudes head is at?! Yea, I am voting for him but I'm keepng it real... I am voting for this dude because he is a black man.... yea I know thats fucked up but it aint no more fucked up then white people who choose to vote for McCain because they refuse to see a black man in office.

But with my fucked up way of choosing my candidate, that doesnt mean im going to turn a blind eye to him... can you say the same?
 
Hilltop Hustla said:
If the bank failure and wallstreet "clusterfuck" hadn't happen this week, I'd agree with you. Americans are idiots when it comes to politics. However, with the economy so clearly in the shitter, I think independents and those blue collar workers might pay a little bit more attention to the substance. I think to those people who might even lean McCain, they are sitting at home going "okay, but what about the substance?" This economy shit I believe (I hope) has made people become more aware that the issues matter.
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i agree on substance being key but all those people already have decided mcage aint shit- the clueless respond to bullshit and believe bullshit such as posturing
gw bush 2 terms- lost 2 elections- no revolt no riots
sheep>considerate voters
 
MzKittyDelicious said:
but wait... so you sitting up here telling me that you really think Obama was clueless to what Rev. Wright was really preaching about?!
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You silly! :lol:

Actually I believe that Obama knew where the power structure was for him to gain political leverage over his constituents in Chicago. Guess what...you go to the church where all the 'believers' are at.

So to answer your question, he would have attended ANY church where the black vote was at.

This is one fact that I think Juan Williams was dead right on.
 
Hilltop Hustla said:
If the bank failure and wallstreet "clusterfuck" hadn't happen this week, I'd agree with you. Americans are idiots when it comes to politics. However, with the economy so clearly in the shitter, I think independents and those blue collar workers might pay a little bit more attention to the substance. I think to those people who might even lean McCain, they are sitting at home going "okay, but what about the substance?" This economy shit I believe (I hope) has made people become more aware that the issues matter.
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Ditto..........


Even on Fox they are saying Obama won



:dance::dance::dance:
 

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