Obama OPPOSES reparations...

Shut the fuck up idiot, did native americans get reparations? Oh wait they got reserves and still live like shit.

Fuck reparations, black folk always got their fuckin hands out in this country. I don't get how other blacks from different countries can come here open up their own businesses become doctors, teachers, lawyers and the such but its usually niggas like you who was born here with some sort of entitilement that the government owes you something.

Fuck out of here. Obama changed the dynamic for all you lazy beggin simps, did he get a hand out?

Get on your grind chump.

real rap
 
If you feel that "oh why niggas are so against reparations" than answer the question posed here.


If we blacks were to get reparations, how will that change your life, your opportunities, your ability to economic opportunity and self esteem?

For starters pursuing the issue shows the world that we have self respect as a people to demand what's just. That has an impact on the youth because they see and feel a sense of value beyond what white people define. The elders see and feel a sense of value after what they've seen and witnessed from the 1940's til now. Not to mention what knowing what their parents went through and how far down the community has gone.

If we blacks were to get reparations will your life be better the next day or it will be the same shit?

The question is silly. There's are sayings about fascism. When fascism comes, the trains will still run on time, the stores will still open but the country you knew is no longer. There is NO overnight cure only a path. Once you walk a path you have to keep walking it. You don't start a business and make millions overnight and you don't become a doctor or professor over night. Its a life time and generation grind.

We weren't held as slaves "overnight' but over 1000's of nights and days.

If no one can answer those two questions than the reparations is nothing but bullshit for a few black lawyers who are going to get rich off a scam...that is right a fucking scam, while the average brotha and sista will see no benefit and change in society from it.

Self defeatist attitude. Reparations are not the idea of scamming lawyers but a human right and the laws of justice.
 
If you feel that "oh why niggas are so against reparations" than answer the question posed here.


If we blacks were to get reparations, how will that change your life, your opportunities, your ability to economic opportunity and self esteem?

If we blacks were to get reparations will your life be better the next day or it will be the same shit?

If no one can answer those two questions than the reparations is nothing but bullshit for a few black lawyers who are going to get rich off a scam...that is right a fucking scam, while the average brotha and sista will see no benefit and change in society from it.

My thing to you is what do you see reperations as? Do you see it as just money? Or do you see it as a programs of steps to repair the pysche damage done to African American? I want gold not money. But I want that later after the pyche has been healed.
 
They don't hear you man. As hard as some want to act, their responses show that they still fear white people and what they'll do. I have no fear of them or what they think. I don't live my life by what they're willing to accept. They say its a handout, I say they owe it. Are they right simply because they say so? The same black people who make reparations sound so crazy have no idea how much is given in foreign aid. All of these bullion dollar companies that have been around for 100+ year got their start from slave holdings. The entire american economy was based on slavery not just a few companies here and there and that just covers the "working" part of slavery. It doesn't begin to touch on the horrors of everyday life. Killing and torture were not even seen as crimes because we were viewed as property.

All of you saying that you can't have reparations because white people today didn't have anything to do with slavery need to pick a law dictionary.

These same companies today don't even want to hire a brother.
 
Why do people keep going back 100's of years when at most we need t go back is to the 60's? Folks got money for things that happened in WWII that were not as bad as things we endured during the whole first 60 years of the century.
 
Instead of asking for hand outs why not support Black owned businesses and keep money in the Black community? Why not look for ways to empower ourselves instead of looking for someone else to give us a quick fix.

1. Reparations are not hand-outs. 2. If you could do BOTH, would you?
Props to Divine, Xeon and rNubb for making some great food for thought. Respect to Prophetic poet for counterpoints, although I respectfully would have to disagree. It is one thing to not receive something; its another to have the mentality of not deserving it.
A great many "niggas" have been put on blast and exposed on this thread as self-haters.
The biggest mistake we make as a people on issues like these is believing that we deserve nothing because we were TRAINED to think that way. The system that was instituted long ago is still working against us. Its nice to see that there are a few brothas on the board that have a deeper understanding of the situation. Those aware are able to avoid instances. Those who are not follow suit.
Respect, brothas.
Many of us need reparations from the mental enslavement that we have undergone. Many right here on this board are slaves and don't even realize it.
 
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When I first found out about this, I was pissed that he opposed reparations but being the genuis I am, I figured out why:

It's political strategy.

Obama cannot appear to be "pro-black" because people will see him as the "Black President for the black people" and that will scare off Whites, Latinos, Asians, Arab Americans etc.

We as blacks are not the only race in the country he will govern.

I'm smart enough to figure this shit out, but to the average black person?...This shit goes over their heads and makes them angry.
 
When I first found out about this, I was pissed that he opposed reparations but being the genuis I am, I figured out why:

It's political strategy.

Obama cannot appear to be "pro-black" because people will see him as the "Black President for the black people" and that will scare off Whites, Latinos, Asians, Arab Americans etc.

We as blacks are not the only race in the country he will govern.

I'm smart enough to figure this shit out, but to the average black person?...This shit goes over their heads and makes them angry.


wow, you think you're a genius cus you figured out something that should be common sense? :hmm:

blacks make up less than 15% of the country, it's impossible for him to win running as 'the black guy'.
 
Honestly, all the arguing in this thread is pointless because the blacks that DO/WILL Vote come November will not give two fucks about reparations...because they too proud to take a simple hand out.
 
Yo, fuck all of you niggas who speak against reperations and saying that it's a hand out. Fuck all of you. You say that all niggas are on some gimme shit. The crackkas who come in here speaking against reperations, I expect but blacks who speak down on it with so much hate, fuck you!!!

You all don't want to point out the good that some blacks will do with it. You all have this mentality that it's checks. I see reperations as owning land, real estate, and business being independent of white rule. It don't seem that you niggas want that. You just want whitey to take care of you with jobs, housing, food, etc. You can have all that if you look at reperations in a positive light. So Fuck pooring money into schools that don't teach black people shit anyway but to be better slaves for whites.

I can't wait until white people truly show themselves. I can wait until cracckas really start laying niggas off. I can't wait unitl crackkas began taking affirmative action and civil rights away under some sort of Patriot Act. I can't wait more and more businesses close or shipper overseas. I can't wait until they start opening up their concentration camps.

You niggas will regret the day you spoke against reperations and allowed white people to get into your heads. True reperations would have been your form of survival from this falling and corrupt government AKA the New World Order. When martial law starts and they start shooting niggas down in the streets, you niggas are gonna wish you had reperations: Land, farm land to grow healthy food, real estate, businesses, etc.

FUCK YOU!!!


Get a job you lazy ass ghetto trash nigga.
 
You are trying to argue economics and the fear that white folks will cut other programs if they have to pay reparations... that speaks volumes to your mentality of an almighty white race and ignores the fact that elected officials vote on budget items.

Then you say you are scred of what Black people are trying to do? :confused: You lost me there...

You then ended your "argument", if you actually think you made one.. with FEAR OF RETRIBUTION FROM WHITE PEOPLE... again, making my point that your ENTIRE reparations opposition is based off FEAR OF WHITE PEOPLE.

Because white people will be GIVING you the reparations check. Perhaps you can't follow my logic, so let me elaborate:

Imagine if you somehow cannot pay your bills. And you need some money for food. You go out and ask a friend for some money. And that friend gives the money to you. If that person inquire about your financial affairs, you cannot jump like it's not his business. Why? Because by the handout, you have empowered that person to inquire about your affairs.

Now that person can put stipulations on the handout. That person can say "Don't ask me for anything else." Or, "If you want more money, I'm going to need more detailed information about your affairs."

It's like getting food stamps. The welfare folks can dig all into your family life. They can come knocking at your door to find out how you're living. They have all kinds of leeway into your affairs. Because they know you asked them for money.

So what's the price the black people will pay to get this check? Or "Free" taxes? What freedom are you willing to let go of?

You are correct, though: reparations is an ECONOMIC issue; meaning that elected officials has to vote on budget items. So, in continuance of the logic, these elected officials will have to cover the loss revenue due to reparations. The provisions of making up loss revenues must be included within the legislation in order to make fiscal sense. In other words, you cannot divorce reparations merely as a social legislation without taking into consideration the economic impact.

But what I'm trying to understand is how someone can look at this issue and not see how this will have a negative impact socially. See, this is more than mere social programs. Social programs are administered by social institutions. Social institutions are institutions that are financed. So there are some social institutions that are in place to enforce laws that protect minorities from discrimination and harrassment. These social institutions budgets may be cut or eliminated in order to pay for your reparation. Why? Because an ethnic minority is the beneficiaries of the reparation, thus burdening the other ethnic minority and the ehtnic majority to make up for the loss tax revenue. But the US government still has to function, so the only way to do so is to either employ a huge tax increase, or to reduce spending by cutting items within the budget. Guess what you think they will do?

But perhaps I can be educated and see how reparations can be a good thing for black people. Tell me, how will you, Divine, ensure that our freedoms remain intact meanwhile cutting billions from the US budget? (And if a 20-year halt of taxes on African-Americans would be in effect, you're talking trillions of dollars.)

Oh, and how can you ask boldly for these reparations while not fearing financial retribution from the other taxpayers? And how do you believe the government will pay for these reparations?

Oh, and don't merely critique my posts just to poke holes. Offer real suggestions. Any fool can poke holes. My 8 year-old son can read posts and poke holes. That only masks the deficit of real ideas.
 
Your entire logic is flawed. Reparations is not a handout.. may I suggest you do some research on the word reparations? Start here. Then, maybe, we can have an intelligent discussion on the subject.

I am not trying to poke holes in your post.. but the fundamentals you begin with is not in concert with what reparations is. If we were arguing "welfare" then your logic would be logical.

Because white people will be GIVING you the reparations check. Perhaps you can't follow my logic, so let me elaborate:

Imagine if you somehow cannot pay your bills. And you need some money for food. You go out and ask a friend for some money. And that friend gives the money to you. If that person inquire about your financial affairs, you cannot jump like it's not his business. Why? Because by the handout, you have empowered that person to inquire about your affairs.

Now that person can put stipulations on the handout. That person can say "Don't ask me for anything else." Or, "If you want more money, I'm going to need more detailed information about your affairs."

It's like getting food stamps. The welfare folks can dig all into your family life. They can come knocking at your door to find out how you're living. They have all kinds of leeway into your affairs. Because they know you asked them for money.

So what's the price the black people will pay to get this check? Or "Free" taxes? What freedom are you willing to let go of?

You are correct, though: reparations is an ECONOMIC issue; meaning that elected officials has to vote on budget items. So, in continuance of the logic, these elected officials will have to cover the loss revenue due to reparations. The provisions of making up loss revenues must be included within the legislation in order to make fiscal sense. In other words, you cannot divorce reparations merely as a social legislation without taking into consideration the economic impact.

But what I'm trying to understand is how someone can look at this issue and not see how this will have a negative impact socially. See, this is more than mere social programs. Social programs are administered by social institutions. Social institutions are institutions that are financed. So there are some social institutions that are in place to enforce laws that protect minorities from discrimination and harrassment. These social institutions budgets may be cut or eliminated in order to pay for your reparation. Why? Because an ethnic minority is the beneficiaries of the reparation, thus burdening the other ethnic minority and the ehtnic majority to make up for the loss tax revenue. But the US government still has to function, so the only way to do so is to either employ a huge tax increase, or to reduce spending by cutting items within the budget. Guess what you think they will do?

But perhaps I can be educated and see how reparations can be a good thing for black people. Tell me, how will you, Divine, ensure that our freedoms remain intact meanwhile cutting billions from the US budget? (And if a 20-year halt of taxes on African-Americans would be in effect, you're talking trillions of dollars.)

Oh, and how can you ask boldly for these reparations while not fearing financial retribution from the other taxpayers? And how do you believe the government will pay for these reparations?

Oh, and don't merely critique my posts just to poke holes. Offer real suggestions. Any fool can poke holes. My 8 year-old son can read posts and poke holes. That only masks the deficit of real ideas.
 
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- Obama is going to fuck around and lose the black vote.

Of course he does. He will oppose everything that isn't in the specific interest of white voters before its all over with. You niggas have made a huge mistake. :smh:

- I wouldn't go that far, but damn...Obama is pissing a lot of black people off...and I agree with him on this reparations thing, but I'm simply stating a fact...



i've been saying this since day one.

blacks are looking at Obama for all the wrong reasons. he's not in there to "hook niccas up". he's there for representing the democratic party with his own positive agenda.

don't think just because he will be the first black president that everyone's gonna be riding around in cadillacs and all black people are going to be making 6 figures in whatever job they want to be in.

"niccas" need to quit looking for handouts from him cause they are going to be disappointed.
 
Prophetic:::poet said:
"we've"

when was the last time you picked cotton bruh...?

that's what i'm trying to figure out :hmm:

if it went to our grandparents generation then maybe it would make a little more sense.

yea.. but unfortunately many of them were murdered (lynched), castrated, died of heart disease because they were forced to eat bad foods, many of the babies were killed by the boot heels of whites, many of the women raped and killed... many were burned alive.

So, I guess you get off the hook if you commit crimes and kill a lot of your victims and their childred and wait til the rest die of old age [read: young age] and then claim "hey.. they are all dead.. we don't owe them anything" :rolleyes:

I swear some of niggs are fucking retarded....
 
yea.. but unfortunately many of them were murdered (lynched), castrated, died of heart disease because they were forced to eat bad foods, many of the babies were killed by the boot heels of whites, many of the women raped and killed... many were burned alive.

So, I guess you get off the hook if you commit crimes and kill a lot of your victims and wait til the rest die of old age and then claim "hey.. they are all dead.. we don't owe them anything" :rolleyes:

I swear some of niggs are fucking retarded....


your generations away from slavery how can he say "we"....

shit is so complicated how do you even know if your family were slaves?

alot of blk folks barely know their great grandparents....

so anyone talking like they just came out of slavery is stupid.....his comment was ridiculous.....
 
Your entire logic is flawed. Reparations is not a handout.. may I suggest you do some research on the word reparations? Start here. Then, maybe, we can have an intelligent discussion on the subject.

I am not trying to poke holes in your post.. but the fundamentals you begin with is not in concert with what reparations is. If we were arguing "welfare" then your logic would be logical.

Reparations IS a handout because even though it is closely defined as to make amends for a wrong or injury, African-Americans has experienced this injustice in varying degrees. And many African-Americans, like many people in general, will merely blame their misfortunes on social ills, and not the fact that we have to take responsibility for their own successes and failures. And to what degree does being African-American play a part in those said successes and failures in matters of equity.

But let's not continue being intangled with schemantics. I'm most interested in you continuing your argument as to how, when and where these reparations are to be issued. Also, please include how these reparations are to be financed.

Thanks!
 
Fukin hyprocrtes in here man the same motherfuckers that oppose reparations
were shuckin and jivin to the mailbox for there fuckin "stimulus check":smh:
yall so against it.... send them damn checks back to the goverment you aint work 4 it....:hmm:
nobody was like "where is the money gonna come from?" No!..... you marched
your ass right to that mailbox and cash that som of a bitch.
 
Reparations IS a handout because even though it is closely defined as to make amends for a wrong or injury, African-Americans has experienced this injustice in varying degrees. And many African-Americans, like many people in general, will merely blame their misfortunes on social ills, and not the fact that we have to take responsibility for their own successes and failures. And to what degree does being African-American play a part in those said successes and failures in matters of equity.

You didn't actually explain why it would be a "handout". The fact that we didn't live a perfect life doesn't have anything to do with why reparations is owed.

But let's not continue being intangled with schemantics. I'm most interested in you continuing your argument as to how, when and where these reparations are to be issued. Also, please include how these reparations are to be financed.

Thanks!

The same way foreign aid is financed. The government was involved in slavery and jim crow as a form of policy.


The fact is that this is an issue that white people have NO leg to stand on. So much time and attention has been giving to distorting what reparations are and poisioning people against it. Its no different than this administrations war crimes. There's NO case that can be made in defense of them yet people will down play it, not because there were no crimes committed, but because of their own fear and doubt.

If your family fortune was built off of land and materials from native populations who got NOTHING out of the deal, and they decided to take action against your estate, then you have to do what's just by them. Yes even if it means you lose your fortune, business and money.

There are laws that support that.
 
Fukin hyprocrtes in here man the same motherfuckers that oppose reparations
were shuckin and jivin to the mailbox for there fuckin "stimulus check":smh:
yall so against it.... send them damn checks back to the goverment....:hmm:

those checks were owed to all americans for recent shit...not something that happen 400 yrs that you never went through....:hmm:

we should get compensated but not with checks...I prefer better schools etc...more opportu nity to own homes and shit...

next who is jiving for a 300 dollar check?...comedy...
 
Damn...y'all gettin deep. Lets just help the brotha get elected first..

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those checks were owed to all americans for recent shit...not something that happen 400 yrs that you never went through....:hmm:


You have to keep in mind the reason this country has an economy is because of what happened 400 years ago. Slavery didn't involve one or two companies. It involved every aspect of this countries live and activity. There's no way around that point.

we should get compensated but not with checks...I prefer better schools etc...more opportu nity to own homes and shit...

next who is jiving for a 300 dollar check?...comedy...

This issue of a check is a straw man. Personally I'd only accept GOLD as a money payment of any sort. Beyond that, the government AND corporations should support building up the community.

I didn't say they should do it, I said they should support it. Money, materials, training.
 
You have to keep in mind the reason this country has an economy is because of what happened 400 years ago. Slavery didn't involve one or two companies. It involved every aspect of this countries live and activity. There's no way around that point.



This issue of a check is a straw man. Personally I'd only accept GOLD as a money payment of any sort. Beyond that, the government AND corporations should support building up the community.

I didn't say they should do it, I said they should support it. Money, materials, training.

good post....I agree fam....
 
did any of yall read the last sentence in the article?


"People say he can't run and get elected if he says those kinds of things," Randall said. "I'm like, well does that mean we're really not ready for a black president?"


like i said...obama is about to lose some black votes if he keeps it up, a lot of black folks are saying this under their breath...

So are we waiting until the country is majority black or are we waiting until the white majority is down with a black president with a pro-black/ Pan-African agenda? Either way, her argument is not that we aren't ready yet, her argument is that we will never be ready. I think a big part of the confusion is that Obama is a LEGIT candidate. That's why some black folks have been gravitating towards the Ron Paul's and Dennis Kucinich's because the "black" candidate was always the candidate that gave the fiery speeches and whose platform read like a list of hostage demands more than a real plan for governing. Since Obama is the mainstream candidate, he's disappointing a lot of voters that see him as the "activist" candidate simply because he isn't a white man even though that has never been the case.

Cats say Hillary would have been a better candidate for blacks, but it's funny as hell because blacks wouldn't have asked Hillary for shit and took whatever scraps she offered gladly.
 
You didn't actually explain why it would be a "handout". The fact that we didn't live a perfect life doesn't have anything to do with why reparations is owed.

It is a handout, because we are many times removed from the actual victims. In other words, we are mere descendants of the victims, except for those who are current victims of Jim Crow. So it's a handout.

The same way foreign aid is financed. The government was involved in slavery and jim crow as a form of policy.

There's no way that they're going to finance the $100 Trillion that would be owed if reparations were administered equitably with government bonds. The dollar would be worthless, and basically the USA will no longer have the economic strength to be even considered a superpower.

The fact is that this is an issue that white people have NO leg to stand on. So much time and attention has been giving to distorting what reparations are and poisioning people against it. Its no different than this administrations war crimes. There's NO case that can be made in defense of them yet people will down play it, not because there were no crimes committed, but because of their own fear and doubt.

If your family fortune was built off of land and materials from native populations who got NOTHING out of the deal, and they decided to take action against your estate, then you have to do what's just by them. Yes even if it means you lose your fortune, business and money.

There are laws that support that.

While I appreciate the fact that you have at least shown an actual solution, I do not believe that reparations can be administered equitably and thoroughly. Unfortunately, many of the slaves' descendants cannot be traced. Also, we are right now experiencing how it feels when the US government rely on government bonds to finance foreign efforts. And believe me, Reparations will make the Iraq war seem like it can be financed out of a Cracker Jack box.

I can, however, see a point where reparations may work. And that is to finance the infrastructure of primarily African-American neighborhoods. Or financing the increase in HBCUs. OR something like that. But guess what? It's not going to happen because reparations are for those who are descendants of slaves. And many of those descendants may not benefit from those programs.
 
While I appreciate the fact that you have at least shown an actual solution, I do not believe that reparations can be administered equitably and thoroughly. Unfortunately, many of the slaves' descendants cannot be traced. Also, we are right now experiencing how it feels when the US government rely on government bonds to finance foreign efforts. And believe me, Reparations will make the Iraq war seem like it can be financed out of a Cracker Jack box.

Tracing direct descendants isn't necessary when you're dealing with an complete system that was in place and supported by the society itself.

I can, however, see a point where reparations may work. And that is to finance the infrastructure of primarily African-American neighborhoods. Or financing the increase in HBCUs. OR something like that. But guess what? It's not going to happen because reparations are for those who are descendants of slaves. And many of those descendants may not benefit from those programs.

It will happen when we as a people decide to make it happen.
 
Tracing direct descendants isn't necessary when you're dealing with an complete system that was in place and supported by the society itself.


Tracing direct descendants is critical to provide reparations. See, many African-Americans aren't descendants of slaves in America. Many African-Americans are descendants of slaves in territories of France, England, Spain, etc. and therefore isn't entitled to US reparations benefits. They probably emigrated to the US from the islands, England, Canada, or some other country.

And for reparations to be true to it's definition, the claimants would have to verify that they are effected. Therefore, tracing direct descendants are important. If not, it's not reparations, it's mere economic subsidy based upon skin color.
 
:lol:

it's some kats in here pissed cause they aren't getting a reparations check.

sorry, no cadillac on spinners for ya this time around.....

:lol:


some of y'all really need to grow up...really..always looking for free money........
 
Tracing direct descendants is critical to provide reparations. See, many African-Americans aren't descendants of slaves in America. Many African-Americans are descendants of slaves in territories of France, England, Spain, etc. and therefore isn't entitled to US reparations benefits. They probably emigrated to the US from the islands, England, Canada, or some other country.

And for reparations to be true to it's definition, the claimants would have to verify that they are effected. Therefore, tracing direct descendants are important. If not, it's not reparations, it's mere economic subsidy based upon skin color.

THREAD KILLA....
 
Tracing direct descendants is critical to provide reparations. See, many African-Americans aren't descendants of slaves in America. Many African-Americans are descendants of slaves in territories of France, England, Spain, etc. and therefore isn't entitled to US reparations benefits. They probably emigrated to the US from the islands, England, Canada, or some other country.

This a valid point however, it assumes a limited scope of reparations. Each country you named has had a hand in the slave trade and should also be help liable for reparations. This can be done if we unite with our various African counterparts. Reparations isn't just for the work of slaves but the damaging effect on us worldwide as well as Africa today. In other words, saying that they can't pay because they don't know who to pay is a weak argument.

And for reparations to be true to it's definition, the claimants would have to verify that they are effected. Therefore, tracing direct descendants are important. If not, it's not reparations, it's mere economic subsidy based upon skin color.

The effects aren't in dispute. There are plenty of studies out there that show lasting effects of community devastation. Every black family in america should have a law dictionary. You'll read and find no shortage of laws passed and put into effect based on long past actions and activities.

The only real question is do we as a people have the heart to go after it.
 
those checks were owed to all americans for recent shit...not something that happen 400 yrs that you never went through....:hmm:

we should get compensated but not with checks...I prefer better schools etc...more opportu nity to own homes and shit...

next who is jiving for a 300 dollar check?...comedy...

Fuck this coconut. Nigga go back your country, this has nothing to do with you. You're not a true black American, so you don't qualify. You're jealous of black Americans getting it. If it was not for Black Americans, you still be living in Haiti or Jamaica in some damn hut with barely no close.

NIGGA WATCH YOUR TONGUE!!! YOU DON'T HAVE NO SAY IN WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO OPENED THE DOOR FOR YOUR COCONUT BUTTS DESERVE. YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE CARRIBEAN FOOL. YOU ALL DID NOT DO ANY FIGHTING HERE BUT JUST REAPING THE BENEFITS OF BLACK AMERICANS NOT YOU TELLING US WHAT WE DON"T DESERVE.

FUCK YOU COCONUT AND CLIMB UP SOME PALM TREES.
 
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