Obama OPPOSES reparations...

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SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.

The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.

"I have said in the past — and I'll repeat again — that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.

Some two dozen members of Congress are co-sponsors of legislation to create a commission that would study reparations — that is, payments and programs to make up for the damage done by slavery.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People supports the legislation, too. Cities around the country, including Obama's home of Chicago, have endorsed the idea, and so has a major union, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees.

Obama has worked to be seen as someone who will bring people together, not divide them into various interest groups with checklists of demands. Supporting reparations could undermine that image and make him appear to be pandering to black voters.

"Let's not be naive. Sen. Obama is running for president of the United States, and so he is in a constant battle to save his political life," said Kibibi Tyehimba, co-chair of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America. "In light of the demographics of this country, I don't think it's realistic to expect him to do anything other than what he's done."

But this is not a position Obama adopted just for the presidential campaign. He voiced the same concerns about reparations during his successful run for the Senate in 2004.

There's enough flexibility in the term "reparations" that Obama can oppose them and still have plenty of common ground with supporters.

The NAACP says reparations could take the form of government programs to help struggling people of all races. Efforts to improve schools in the inner city could also aid students in the mountains of West Virginia, said Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP's Washington bureau.

"The solution could be broad and sweeping," Shelton said.

The National Urban League — a group Obama is to address Saturday — avoids the word "reparations" as too vague and highly charged. But the group advocates government action to close the gaps between white America and black America.

Urban League President Marc Morial said he expects his members to press Obama on how he intends to close those gaps and what action he would take in the first 100 days of his presidency.

"What steps should we take as a nation to alleviate the effects of racial exclusion and racial discrimination?" Morial asked.

The House voted this week to apologize for slavery. The resolution, which was approved on a voice vote, does not mention reparations, but past opponents have argued that an apology would increase pressure for concrete action.

Obama says an apology would be appropriate but not particularly helpful in improving the lives of black Americans. Reparations could also be a distraction, he said.

In a 2004 questionnaire, he told the NAACP, "I fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say, 'We've paid our debt,' and to avoid the much harder work."

Taking questions Sunday at a conference of minority journalists, Obama said he would be willing to talk to American Indian leaders about an apology for the nation's treatment of their people.

Pressed for his position on apologizing to blacks or offering reparations, Obama said he was more interested in taking action to help people struggling to get by. Because many of them are minorities, he said, that would help the same people who would stand to benefit from reparations.

"If we have a program, for example, of universal health care, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because they're disproportionately uninsured," Obama said. "If we've got an agenda that says every child in America should get — should be able to go to college, regardless of income, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because it's oftentimes our children who can't afford to go to college."

One reparations advocate, Vernellia Randall, a law professor at the University of Dayton, bluntly responded: "I think he's dead wrong."

She said aid to the poor in general won't close the gaps — poor blacks would still trail poor whites, and middle-class blacks would still lag behind middle-class whites. Instead, assistance must be aimed directly at the people facing the after-effects of slavery and Jim Crow laws, she said.

"People say he can't run and get elected if he says those kinds of things," Randall said. "I'm like, well does that mean we're really not ready for a black president?"
 
Of course he does. He will oppose everything that isn't in the specific interest of white voters before its all over with. You niggas have made a huge mistake. :smh:
 
Of course he does. He will oppose everything that isn't in the specific interest of white voters before its all over with. You niggas have made a huge mistake. :smh:

- I wouldn't go that far, but damn...Obama is pissing a lot of black people off...and I agree with him on this reparations thing, but I'm simply stating a fact...
 
Of course he does. He will oppose everything that isn't in the specific interest of white voters before its all over with. You niggas have made a huge mistake. :smh:

Shut the fuck up idiot, did native americans get reparations? Oh wait they got reserves and still live like shit.

Fuck reparations, black folk always got their fuckin hands out in this country. I don't get how other blacks from different countries can come here open up their own businesses become doctors, teachers, lawyers and the such but its usually niggas like you who was born here with some sort of entitilement that the government owes you something.

Fuck out of here. Obama changed the dynamic for all you lazy beggin simps, did he get a hand out?

Get on your grind chump.
 
Shut the fuck up idiot, did native americans get reparations? Oh wait they got reserves and still live like shit.

I wasn't even talking about reparations specifically, dumb n*gger. :hmm: I was alluding to Obama's single-minded goal of ingratiating himself to whites and, of course, Israel.

Moreover, whether or not Native Americans got reparations has fuck all to do with us. That's a piss poor and fallacious argument against reparations, I must say.
 
did any of yall read the last sentence in the article?


"People say he can't run and get elected if he says those kinds of things," Randall said. "I'm like, well does that mean we're really not ready for a black president?"


like i said...obama is about to lose some black votes if he keeps it up, a lot of black folks are saying this under their breath...
 
I don't have a problem with those who do not support reparations. What I struggle to understand is, why those same people seem to celebrate the idea of "if I don't support reparations, nobody should". There are great arguments on both sides of the coin.
 
a lot of black folks are saying this under their breath...

I've been saying it aloud since the beginning of the campaign. HRC would have been a much better choice from a purely pragmatic standpoint. But, niggas let there emotions run away with them, and now they are going to pay the price. I'm not even willing to argue the point. Just wait and see. I'll be back to tell you "I told you so" in a couple of years.
 
And what price do you think that will be?

I've been saying it aloud since the beginning of the campaign. HRC would have been a much better choice from a purely pragmatic standpoint. But, niggas let there emotions run away with them, and now they are going to pay the price. I'm not even willing to argue the point. Just wait and see. I'll be back to tell you "I told you so" in a couple of years.
 
Shut the fuck up idiot, did native americans get reparations? Oh wait they got reserves and still live like shit.

Fuck reparations, black folk always got their fuckin hands out in this country. I don't get how other blacks from different countries can come here open up their own businesses become doctors, teachers, lawyers and the such but its usually niggas like you who was born here with some sort of entitilement that the government owes you something.

Fuck out of here. Obama changed the dynamic for all you lazy beggin simps, did he get a hand out?

Get on your grind chump.

Hell. Native Americans got Casinos. And most of them still live like shit.

But I'm not down for reparations either. Shit is just too late historically. And our ancestors ain't had shit either. They FOUGHT & DIED for it.

Today we don't have to fight as hard. But lots of us have lost that will. And we damn sure don't have to die for "it" either.

The best we as Black folks can do is being the BEST we can be.

Sad shit is that most of us ain't even trying that.
 
I wasn't even talking about reparations specifically, dumb n*gger. :hmm: I was alluding to Obama's single-minded goal of ingratiating himself to whites and, of course, Israel.

Moreover, whether or not Native Americans got reparations has fuck all to do with us. That's a piss poor and fallacious argument against reparations, I must say.

The fuck you say white boy? :hmm:

If Hillary was asked this same question as the nominee would there be the talk of she going to lose some black votes?

If the government was to pay out for reparations it should not be payments directly to decendents of slaves, hell most blacks in this country are so far removed from their direct ancestory it would be difficult for them to get directly paid so the government should instead set up a fund monitored by congress and watch dog agencies where that money directly goes into training and hiring better teachers, better schools, new books and the such so AA children are prepared and can compete not only with their peers in this country but globally as well.

You niggas feel Obama suppose to save you from 500 yrs of oppression, he can only give u the blue print, take it learn and run with it.

Simple as that
 
Fuck reparations, that shit is stupid. Black people today get the same racist treatment as well as the same opportunities as the next black man gets weather they know if there was slavery in their blood line or not.

So 1 black person who lives in the next apt in the same projects as the next black person should get money and the other shouldn't???

Most black people in NY don't even know if they have slavery in their blood line.

Obama is 100% right on this. Funding should go to all poor communities for schools and job opportunities to start getting people in a position to survive.

I'm so sick of niggas talking about reparations. All niggas will do is go out and spend it on stupid shit anyway, cause the mind state hasn't been corrected.
 
Ok. I have a serious question for those that OPPOSE reparations.

If the federal government passed a bill that stated, in the spirit of reparations, All African Americans are tax exempt for a period of 20 years, free education to a HBCU (up to 4 years), and free health care for life; would you, in your spirit of OPPOSITION to reparations OPT OUT and decline to accept said reparations?

I have a feeling that the majority of you niggas who claim to oppose it, only do so because you don';t think it will happen to begin with... not because you think its wrong to receive.
 
Where's that thread about black people waiting for an handout again?
As far as I'm concerned blacks already got their reparations. They'll just squander the money like they squander a lot of the opportunities out there.
Obama just redeemed himself for that flip-flop on offshore drilling.

What you ghetto ass niggas don't realize is that once you get reparations you and the white people are even. You got paid for your ancestor's work. Are you welfare mentality ass niggas willing to sell your history for a couple of dollars? Get the fuck outta here. No to "reparations".
Christ I hate niggas. Chris Rock was right. There is a civil war going on between black folks and niggas.

 
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Ok. I have a serious question for those that OPPOSE reparations.

If the federal government passed a bill that stated, in the spirit of reparations, All African Americans are tax exempt for a period of 20 years, free education to a HBCU (up to 4 years), and free health care for life; would you, in your spirit of OPPOSITION to reparations OPT OUT and decline to accept said reparations?

I have a feeling that the majority of you niggas who claim to oppose it, only do so because you don';t think it will happen to begin with... not because you think its wrong to receive.

Now you know the free healthcare and tax exemption for the next 20 yrs will not fuckin fly in this country without crackas pissing a bitch and wanting the samething.

The free college is more acceptable so my overall answer is I would still oppose the shit
 
Care to explain? Also, care to answer my question above? ^

Where's that thread about black people waiting for an handout again?
As far as I'm concerned blacks already got their reparations. They'll just squander the money like they squander a lot of the opportunities out there.
Obama just redeemed himself for that flip-flop on offshore drilling.

What you ghetto ass niggas don't realize is that once you get reparations you and the white people are even. Are you welfare mentality ass niggas willing to sell your history for a couple of dollars? Get the fuck outta here. No to "reparations".
 
I didn't ask you that. Stick to the question.

Now you know the free healthcare and tax exemption for the next 20 yrs will not fuckin fly in this country without crackas pissing a bitch and wanting the samething.

The free college is more acceptable so my overall answer is I would still oppose the shit
 
I know you didn't ask me. I am telling you that shit won't fly without major opposition. Your senerio is unrealistic

So you seem to make my point.. the ONLY reason you OPPOSE it is because you think white people won't go for it..

now go back and read my question and ANSWER it...please.

If the federal government passed a bill that stated, in the spirit of reparations, All African Americans are tax exempt for a period of 20 years, free education to a HBCU (up to 4 years), and free health care for life; would you, in your spirit of OPPOSITION to reparations OPT OUT and decline to accept said reparations?
 
Why you dudes beefing over something that you would have never gotten no matter who the president is? On the contrary of what you may think, no one owes you shit.

I swear, dudes look for the dumbest shit to sway away from the guy. Same story, differnt day.. Blacks can will never support each other.. Will always find some lame ass reason to turn our backs..
 
Like those "stimulus checks"?

:lol:

470billion dollar deficit due partly to those damn checks.. We are going to be paying that shit back for YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAARS!! Fuck.. As if uncle same wasnt taking enough outta my damn check.

The hell with reparations.
 
care to answer my question above.. in red?

:lol:

470billion dollar deficit due partly to those damn checks.. We are going to be paying that shit back for YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAARS!! Fuck.. As if uncle same wasnt taking enough outta my damn check.

The hell with reparations.
 
Ok. I have a serious question for those that OPPOSE reparations.

If the federal government passed a bill that stated, in the spirit of reparations, All African Americans are tax exempt for a period of 20 years, free education to a HBCU (up to 4 years), and free health care for life; would you, in your spirit of OPPOSITION to reparations OPT OUT and decline to accept said reparations?

I have a feeling that the majority of you niggas who claim to oppose it, only do so because you don';t think it will happen to begin with... not because you think its wrong to receive.

Good point. Black people in the US are some of the most self defeating in the world. Its one thing to not believe that something will happen, but its something else to be against it because you think it wont happen.

White people present the most bullshit frame and we pick it up like it is the gospel truth. Reparations means to repair NOT to receive a handout.

The support of truth or justice should have nothing to do with wether or not white people accept it.

As long as the Native American is living in hell on the reservations, its all good. When they start making BILLIONS on casino's the US wants a cut. But its black people that want a handout?

After them making billions in casino money now you have white people looking to claim that their part Native American, but we want a handout?

The US makes apart of Iraqi law that the US is entitled to THEIR oil but its blacks in america that want a handout?

Israel gets billions of dollars in aid dispite having their own economy and defense but its black people in america that want a handout?
 
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indeed. everyone is afraid to answer my question.... it goes to show how n*ggerish their ENTIRE thought process is dependent on WHITE PEOPLE.. MAKING THEM COMFORTABLE AND NOT WANTING TO PISS THEM OFF.


Good point. Black people in the US are some of the most self defeating in the world. Its one thing to not believe that something will happen, but its something else to be against it because you think it wont happen.

White people present the most bullshit frame and we pick it up like it is the gospel truth. Reparations means to repair NOT to receive a handout.

The support of truth or justice should have nothing to do with wether or not white people accept it.
 
So you seem to make my point.. the ONLY reason you OPPOSE it is because you think white people won't go for it..

now go back and read my question and ANSWER it...please.


The white opposition is 1 point however I don't give a fuck about what white folk think. The bigger issue is that shit is a hand out, if blacks want to get talkin seriously in this country they will stop their beggin and do for self with crackas coming to save them
 
The white opposition is 1 point however I don't give a fuck about what white folk think. The bigger issue is that shit is a hand out, if blacks want to get talkin seriously in this country they will stop their beggin and do for self with crackas coming to save them

cool.. thanks for your continued display of opinion.. now answer my question.. PLEASE!

If the federal government passed a bill that stated, in the spirit of reparations, All African Americans are tax exempt for a period of 20 years, free education to a HBCU (up to 4 years), and free health care for life; would you, in your spirit of OPPOSITION to reparations OPT OUT and decline to accept said reparations?
 
The white opposition is 1 point however I don't give a fuck about what white folk think. The bigger issue is that shit is a hand out, if blacks want to get talkin seriously in this country they will stop their beggin and do for self with crackas coming to save them

I agree with you on this, but I don't understand why we, as a people, didn't fight and yell when a) the Japanese Americans got paid for the WWII internment, and b) the Jews got paid over some shit that the US had nothing to do with. On it's face, reparations seems like a flawed plan, however; once you start paying muhfuckas, don't rethink it in the middle of the game. Truth be told, the tax exempt, free college and healthcare is better than ANY check. Besides, when you look at the word itself, you ain't gonna repair shit by giving niggas a lump sum.
 
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