Fans Reason 4 Death of Hip-Hop!!!

[thecomplexmale]

After watching the new myspace video Ghostface recently posted, i have come to the conclusion that hip-hop is dying because of the fans. We as fans are forcing rappers to put bullshit records out because we do not have the decency to support them when they bring us good albums, great albums--fucking excellent albums! We just keep downloading and downloading and fucking downloading. I am not saying go and purchase every hip-hop album that drops from now on, but if you have been listening to a CD for over a month now and have no intentions of purchasing it something is wrong with that. No matter how many loopholes we may find it still is and always will be wrong to download these artists albums and not purchase them if they are indeed a good, great, or fucking excellent album. People keep screaming that they want Hip-Hop to rise again and bring back that old feeling, but we make it so fucking hard. I mean come on, if you go to the store on Tuesday or even the whole first fucking week the CD is out, the bitch ain't nothing but $10 most of the time. Just step your game up, a closet full of spindles ain't what's up!

Just my thoughts people...

 

[jiggylo09]

Nah its the rappers fault ...back when HIP HOP was good every body was not a rapper...Now rappers brung in sideline niggas off the block and made them rappers thats where HIP HOP got fucked up at! Then giving street thugs executive jobs that where it started I saw it coming!

 

[thecomplexmale]

Think about it though cat. If you a rapper and you put out some classic shit that tons of motherfuckers are jamming in their rides and their homes, but ain't nobody dropped $10 to buy your shit. How are you going to feel? The whole hip-hop world knows that your shit is jamming, you have been getting phenomenal reviews, but at the end of the day you don't have shit to show for the work you put in on that particular album. Some of these artists actually care about the music like Ghostface, Kanye, Common, Talib, Mos Def, and many others. I don't want to see Talib put out a "You Owe Me" on his next album in efforts to crossover because Eardrum suffered in the stores as did his other albums. They are forced to crossover because as sad as it is to say they have more of a chance to sell records by appealing to white people than they do their own people.

 

[ak_rep]

Steve "rappers will need regular" Jobs.

I'm sorry but I haven't entered a music store in ages.

Only for those Sanford and Son DVDs . . . Dummys.

 

[JCharades]

are you really that mad about it

the music industry is doing great but the artist are not...

i'm not for the idea of what's going on from illegal downloading (sike) to payola on radio stations but you cant be mad at a rapper for not keepin up because people like you have such a high demand for something classic or better than his classic stuff...people grow and either keep up or fall out...

i wouldnt mind an hot album from one of my favorite veteran MC's but they have lives and since they got on in the music business they dont get as hungry once they've gained success...i'm sorry

as long as the dead presidents represent for the music it will be the dark ages still for hip-hop.

 

[thecomplexmale]

Steve "rappers will need regular" Jobs.

I'm sorry but I haven't entered a music store in ages.

Only for those Sanford and Son DVDs . . . Dummys.

With all the access we have it's hard to go to the CD store and make a purchase...I am just as guilty as the next man, but I think it is past due time for a change...

 

[BMG]

its the major labels and networks fault saturating the market with wackness

no outlets for real hiphop anymore, they dont even really play no west coast hiphop out here anymore

all they play is shit from the south, there is way more music out there than snap music

 

[BRUCE LEROY]

I think the problem is industry wide affecting all categories of music. Ghost has a point and stealing from an artist is wrong. However, if you recall, the music industry didn't embrace the downloading format when it was in its infancy. Now, they're trying to play catch up. Unfortunately, the genie is out the bottle and youngsters getting music for free are not going to start paying for it...not now.

 

[ak_rep]

With all the access we have it's hard to go to the CD store and make a purchase...I am just as guilty as the next man, but I think it is past due time for a change...

Change, like what?

Holla back with a solution.

Man this economy is a bitch. Immediate needs get met for most vets.

I can't see copping a CD right now. I just can't.

It's like telling a homeless dude to cop an umbrella when he can walk under a bridge and wait it out.

I'm for it. I threw balled up fives (maybe $40) at the latest Dilated Peoples show, on stage. They were like who's throwing money? People followed suit. I downloaded the shit outta Dilated.

I always tip, but don't trick at strip clubs (not knocking ninjas that do).

And I'm not broke. Real talk.

 

[Koolinme]

I think it is mostly the fans fault.
At the end of the day.. if you like an artist shit.. you should support the artists effort to continue to make music.
I look at NYOIL for example and I happen to know the brother is scrambling to try and find the bread to make another album. The first album is a certified classic .. but no sales.. and mad people talking about son.

We need to stop expecting someone or something else to suppport the things we love. THat is why everything we want get's taken from us.

 

[JAHMALA]

There are many reasons that Hip-Hop is falling off.

1. One good song on an album with 9 other crappy songs.

2. The content of Rap-Hip-Hop ( tired of hearing how much money a brother makes, how broke the rest of us are, what type of mega money drink he drinks, how many bitches hes got and how many cars he got. ) That shit is old along time ago.

3. I am not sure how much it takes to make a album or how much time, lets say 1 year and you guys know alot of these guys take way less time than that. I am not sure how much a artist makes per album sales. Lets say and artist gets $1 for every album sales and he brings out an album once a year and he can sell 500,000 copies thats $500,000 in his pocket. I am sure these guys make some good money with ticket sales for concerts. Shit how much money does these guys want to make.

4. You get alot of crying out of Rap-Hip-Hop artist because their eyes are bigger than there bellies. They want the nicest cars, the nicest homes and the nicest girls to show off a life style and that shit costs money. So keep spending like fools and lets see what they got later.


I make between $40,000-$50,000 a year. I live good, I go out, I have a nice girl who I am happy with, I have a WRX STI, Sentra SER, girly drives a Nissan Alitma. I am happy. I save about $8000 a year since I was 22, I am now 38. Add intrest into that. The mony is adding up. Anyway at the end of the day most of these guys have none else to blame but themselves. Nothing lasts forever so you have to get it when the getting is good and save up for a rainy day. A hurricane is coming and we will see alot of artist doing the same work that the average Joe does soon.

I got alot more to say on this subject but I will see where this goes.

 

[JAHMALA]

Lastly I have no feelings for Hip-Hop Since the mid 90s.


I am a Reggae fan and early Dance hall fan. Dance hall has gone the way of Hip-Hop. 85% of Dance hall from the mid 90s on up is crap.

Tired of Gun talk, Tired of Money talk, Tired of woman talk.


Get some content in your music, get some real feeling in your music, make a stand in your music about the times and people will support again.

 

[water]

Lastly I have no feelings for Hip-Hop Since the mid 90s.


I am a Reggae fan and early Dance hall fan. Dance hall has gone the way of Hip-Hop. 85% of Dance hall from the mid 90s on up is crap.

Tired of Gun talk, Tired of Money talk, Tired of woman talk.


Get some content in your music, get some real feeling in your music, make a stand in your music about the times and people will support again.

Co-sign..........

 

[water]

After watching the new myspace video Ghostface recently posted, i have come to the conclusion that hip-hop is dying because of the fans.

True but the fans are not the cause of hip-hop dying.......... they are the consequence.

The rappers/Mcs are the cause.

If we are friends and when we meet you keep saying the same things, don't you think I would want to avoid you???


Rappers/Mcs need relevance.

they are going the way of the church.

Music has always been a tool and those who use it to give teh message of the time will be the successful ones.


If the rappers' goal is money then the fans will not be loyal because they will feel used.

If the rappers' goal is to give the masses the opportunity to vent through them, to laugh through them, to cry through them, to rebel through them............ then success is guaranteed.


Peace, just my 0.02

 

[ak_rep]

There are many reasons that Hip-Hop is falling off.

1. One good song on an album with 9 other crappy songs.

2. The content of Rap-Hip-Hop ( tired of hearing how much money a brother makes, how broke the rest of us are, what type of mega money drink he drinks, how many bitches hes got and how many cars he got. ) That shit is old along time ago.

3. I am not sure how much it takes to make a album or how much time, lets say 1 year and you guys know alot of these guys take way less time than that. I am not sure how much a artist makes per album sales. Lets say and artist gets $1 for every album sales and he brings out an album once a year and he can sell 500,000 copies thats $500,000 in his pocket. I am sure these guys make some good money with ticket sales for concerts. Shit how much money does these guys want to make.

4. You get alot of crying out of Rap-Hip-Hop artist because their eyes are bigger than there bellies. They want the nicest cars, the nicest homes and the nicest girls to show off a life style and that shit costs money. So keep spending like fools and lets see what they got later.


I make between $40,000-$50,000 a year. I live good, I go out, I have a nice girl who I am happy with, I have a WRX STI, Sentra SER, girly drives a Nissan Alitma. I am happy. I save about $8000 a year since I was 22, I am now 38. Add intrest into that. The mony is adding up. Anyway at the end of the day most of these guys have none else to blame but themselves. Nothing lasts forever so you have to get it when the getting is good and save up for a rainy day. A hurricane is coming and we will see alot of artist doing the same work that the average Joe does soon.

I got alot more to say on this subject but I will see where this goes.

Good points but that's not totally "it." I would've bought the new Ghost in a different time but shit was free and I'm digital.

"Show money," like you said, is a big factor in regressing my guilt.

 

[tyup333]

Change, like what?

Holla back with a solution.

Man this economy is a bitch. Immediate needs get met for most vets.

I can't see copping a CD right now. I just can't.

It's like telling a homeless dude to cop an umbrella when he can walk under a bridge and wait it out.

I'm for it. I threw balled up fives (maybe $40) at the latest Dilated Peoples show, on stage. They were like who's throwing money? People followed suit. I downloaded the shit outta Dilated.

I always tip, but don't trick at strip clubs (not knocking ninjas that do).

And I'm not broke. Real talk.

True Indeed. Shit niggaz barely buying groceries right now, fuck a CD. Shit ain't paying the bills.............

 

[ak_rep]

True but the fans are not the cause of hip-hop dying.......... they are the consequence.

The rappers/Mcs are the cause.

If we are friends and when we meet you keep saying the same things, don't you think I would want to avoid you???


Rappers/Mcs need relevance.

they are going the way of the church.

Music has always been a tool and those who use it to give teh message of the time will be the successful ones.


If the rappers' goal is money then the fans will not be loyal because they will feel used.

If the rappers' goal is to give the masses the opportunity to vent through them, to laugh through them, to cry through them, to rebel through them............ then success is guaranteed.


Peace, just my 0.02

Good shit.

 

[96ST]

i think that is

1) it is to easy to acquire free music

2) if u still do purchase,.. there is no reason to by the entire album when you can itunes 2-3 top songs.

3) rap content is wack right now

4) promotion for real hiphop is null and void.

 

[ANGRY MAN]

They got the fame and the money what more they want?Now if they not makeing money off rap anymore.They have enough money to do something else with there life.Go to school,invest the money they already have into some other business.Bill Gates is making money in cpu instead of rapping.There's more then one way to be successful in life.As far as us the average joe.Why do I need to spend $14 dollars and wait for the album to drop.When Bgol gets it for free plus 2-3 weeks earlier.As far as the title in the thread fans also gave life to hip-hop!!

 

[ak_rep]

They got the fame and the money what more they want?Now if they not makeing money off rap anymore.They have enough money to do something else with there life.Go to school,invest the money they already have into some other business.Bill Gates is making money in cpu instead of rapping.There's more then one way to be successful in life.As far as us the average joe.Why do I need to spend $14 dollars and wait for the album to drop.When Bgol gets it for free plus 2-3 weeks earlier.As far as the title in the thread fans also gave life to hip-hop!!

But we gotta keep hiphop alive Angry. We gotta keep hiphop alive.

 

[Complex]

i think that is

1) it is to easy to acquire free music

2) if u still do purchase,.. there is no reason to by the entire album when you can itunes 2-3 top songs.

3) rap content is wack right now

4) promotion for real hiphop is null and void.

agree with everything you said fam

 

[MCP]

Lastly I have no feelings for Hip-Hop Since the mid 90s.


I am a Reggae fan and early Dance hall fan. Dance hall has gone the way of Hip-Hop. 85% of Dance hall from the mid 90s on up is crap.

Tired of Gun talk, Tired of Money talk, Tired of woman talk.


Get some content in your music, get some real feeling in your music, make a stand in your music about the times and people will support again.

How so true.

Almost every artist nowadays are going on about how hard they are, how much money they have etc etc. The industry is now consumed by greed and selfishness.

 

[fatsack1]

I think it is mostly the fans fault.
At the end of the day.. if you like an artist shit.. you should support the artists effort to continue to make music.
I look at NYOIL for example and I happen to know the brother is scrambling to try and find the bread to make another album. The first album is a certified classic .. but no sales.. and mad people talking about son.

We need to stop expecting someone or something else to suppport the things we love. THat is why everything we want get's taken from us.

co-sign

 

[Lattimore]

After watching the new myspace video Ghostface recently posted, i have come to the conclusion that hip-hop is dying because of the fans. We as fans are forcing rappers to put bullshit records out because we do not have the decency to support them when they bring us good albums, great albums--fucking excellent albums! We just keep downloading and downloading and fucking downloading. I am not saying go and purchase every hip-hop album that drops from now on, but if you have been listening to a CD for over a month now and have no intentions of purchasing it something is wrong with that. No matter how many loopholes we may find it still is and always will be wrong to download these artists albums and not purchase them if they are indeed a good, great, or fucking excellent album. People keep screaming that they want Hip-Hop to rise again and bring back that old feeling, but we make it so fucking hard. I mean come on, if you go to the store on Tuesday or even the whole first fucking week the CD is out, the bitch ain't nothing but $10 most of the time. Just step your game up, a closet full of spindles ain't what's up!

Just my thoughts people...

The labels betrayed the fans long before the fans betrayed the artists. Now the artist betray the art for the sake of a buck and the fans still haven't forgiven them... a generation of music buyers was lost possibly forever.

 

[Koolinme]

True but the fans are not the cause of hip-hop dying.......... they are the consequence.

The rappers/Mcs are the cause.

If we are friends and when we meet you keep saying the same things, don't you think I would want to avoid you???


Rappers/Mcs need relevance.

they are going the way of the church.

Music has always been a tool and those who use it to give teh message of the time will be the successful ones.


If the rappers' goal is money then the fans will not be loyal because they will feel used.

If the rappers' goal is to give the masses the opportunity to vent through them, to laugh through them, to cry through them, to rebel through them............ then success is guaranteed.


Peace, just my 0.02

Yall keep tryna blame rappers for hip hop dying when they sell a product to you. If you don't buy and support quality product then what are they supposed to do?? Keep making quality music for free.. with what??? Majic?
I just read on here soldier boy sold 700,000 copies.. of his album!!!! that means that HIS FAN BASE IS BUYING THAT SHIT. Meanwhile there will be hundreds of cats saying his shit is some garbage and how this one or that one's shit is Fire but they shit don't sell 10,000 .

So what ends up happening is the ones with talent can't make a living and the ones who suck can.. and u blame the rappers cause you don't put your money where your mouth is??

That's like getting mad cause your candidate didn't get elected but you didn't vote... it's insane to think like that.

No disrespect to anyone in particular but definitely to the concept

 

[KingTaharqa]

The labels betrayed the fans long before the fans betrayed the artists. Now the artist betray the art for the sake of a buck and the fans still haven't forgiven them... a generation of music buyers was lost possibly forever.

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=228014

 

[ak_rep]

Yall keep tryna blame rappers for hip hop dying when they sell a product to you. If you don't buy and support quality product then what are they supposed to do?? Keep making quality music for free.. with what??? Majic?
I just read on here soldier boy sold 700,000 copies.. of his album!!!! that means that HIS FAN BASE IS BUYING THAT SHIT. Meanwhile there will be hundreds of cats saying his shit is some garbage and how this one or that one's shit is Fire but they shit don't sell 10,000 .

So what ends up happening is the ones with talent can't make a living and the ones who suck can.. and u blame the rappers cause you don't put your money where your mouth is??

That's like getting mad cause your candidate didn't get elected but you didn't vote... it's insane to think like that.

No disrespect to anyone in particular but definitely to the concept

You have a point but the problem is "real rappers" cater to ninjas in the struggle. And ninjas in the struggle don't buy unnecessary articles such as . . . lets say um . . . movies and music. One. Before work.

 

[crazyace718]

Should I start buying porn while I'm at it?

 

[Drayonis]

I think it is mostly the fans fault.
At the end of the day.. if you like an artist shit.. you should support the artists effort to continue to make music.
I look at NYOIL for example and I happen to know the brother is scrambling to try and find the bread to make another album. The first album is a certified classic .. but no sales.. and mad people talking about son.

We need to stop expecting someone or something else to suppport the things we love. THat is why everything we want get's taken from us.

His album is the only album I've bought in about 3 years (NYOIL). I'm busy right now trying to finish some work for the man free (no charge) because I believe in his message and I like his product.

The way to fix the industry is to completely go digital. And create the outlets where the music can be downloaded. CD's are archaic (failing business model).

It's not just the CONSUMERS fault. Technology has changed the playing field as well. Since the coming of the Diamond Rio all the way down toe the Ipod or Archos the tech has advanced and has driven the trend. Who doesn't have an mp3 player nowadays? Even my daughter has one and I only paid 20 bucks for it.

Artist will continue to record. REAL artists will. Those corner rappers who are only in it to get famous they will fond like anyone else that this is art form. Artists have drawn since the dawn of time whether they got paid or not.

 

[Jagi]

it's everyone's fault.



corporations were more than happy to make a "just add water" rapper and sound.


some motherfuckers were more than happy to be the face of said watered down style. cant really get mad at them.. offer some broke motherfucker who will never accomplish anything in his life some cash and fame to do nothing, shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttt what you expect?

real artists demand/require a larger budget and attention.


fans and artists got dumber. used to be a time when even the party rapper had plans to go to or finish college. now the only time you will see a motherfucker in the industry go to college is to do a show. back in the day cats were not as bright cause education sucked and no money was made to pay for schooling. now cats are more than proud to be dumb and not know shit.


used to be a time when only women would go to a club to shake their ass. guys would go to pick up women.

no all you see is one side of the dance floor full of women dancing with women. the other side of the dance floor full of men dancing with men.




the real problem. is lack of respect. young people always did it their way and acted like they were doing something new. i did too. we all did. but now it's almost expected that if your young your job is to dismiss anything that came before you. these young people have no respect for the history of MLK, their parents, their elders and neighbors. what makes you think they care about music.

 

[Dr. Truth]

Women and Today's Crack Babies Ruined HipHop. When I was really into hiphop the Wack shit would be considered lyrical by today's standards. I.E> Tracy Lee the Theme. That was the party shit, now you have wack young bols like Soulja Boy. Women only care about dancing and young kids only care about cooning.

 

[Zero]

For real, fuck 90% of these artists (even a lot of the ones that "appear" to be cool). You got cats like Ghost blaming the fans for his slumping sales while giving a pass to the label that won't promote him worth shit. Broke damn fans are supposed to mobilize around this dude so he can eat while he's sporting this...

Cats are barely eating, but it's OUR job to save hip-hop. If these cats had ANY fore site at all, they would be bypassing normal channels of distribution and selling their own shit to the masses. But they can't wait on honest money and sign deals so they can floss on borrowed money, then cry when they never see real money.

How am I supposed to shed tear for these cats as a fan when if you approached them in the club you'd be LUCKY to make it out with just a few stitches from the Kristol bottle they broke on your dome (that's if they don't decide to merc you in the parking lot). Cats making songs showing BLATANT disdain for the cats they then turn around and beg for cash. Is it the fans fault that these cats fake floss in rented cars and rented houses and don't do shit with their money but buy out bars and make it rain? I don't want to see ANY cat starve, but making them RICH is not my responsibility, cats have done pretty damn well starting with a lot less than some of these rappers. So if a rapper goes from driving a fuckin' Enzo and living in a 7000 square foot crib while bragging about his $250K watches and custom designed diamond encrusted "pieces" to eating dog food and living under a bridge, how is that shit the fan's fault?

Cats like Mos Def and Common know what's up and have diversified their shit into other areas like acting and product promotion. Jay Z has become a pretty good entrepreneur. Kanye gets his REAL money off top with production so he isn't at the mercy of labels and "ungrateful" fans. Talib, The Roots, KRS and other "real hip-hop" artists show love to their fan base and their fan base shows love back by supporting their live shows and keeping them eating. Ghostface and Raekwon spend their shit on gold chains and metric tons of weed and then got the nerve to blame a fuckin' fan for some shit?
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[water]

^^^^ co-sign.............


They had a lot of black boys wilding out and smoking blatantly on street corners....... leading to a higher arrest rate.

Imagine Kanye was harder than all those bitch ass rappers in calling out Bush.........

What the doesn't realize is that his 15 mins are up.

His fan base has already grown up. The things we used to do, we do them no more, the things we used to say, we say them no more.

They need to become relevant, period.

I have all 2Pac's albums...... how often do you think I listen to that???

Bob Marley? Sure...... cause his message transcends time.

If I plan on passing down the music I grew up on then I'll buy THAT music.



Secondly as Zero pointed out, artists are being discovered on myspace, facebook etc. However that only works with what the younger generation wants to hear. They have the disposable income.


MTV Cribs, How Are You Living really woke up fans................ fuck taking my hard earned money to buy rims, guns and drugs.I could do that my damn self if I'm so inclined.


The disrespect they showed the fans is coming back.

They need to sell 100K in albums+ ringtones and chill.

That's a damn good job out here for the rest of us................


Peace.

 

[spicykjun]

i paid 4 ugk, scarface, z-ro & trae the rest just aint worth my money

 

[DANGEROUSBLACKMAN]

The Only Album I Would Pay For Is A Outkast Album.