Fans Reason 4 Death of Hip-Hop!!!
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Fam.. i think you're convieniently using poverty to supposed poor folks advantage.. lol
Fact is cats spend the money they would spend on a CD on weed every day times 4
Fact is we talking about people with computer access and Ipod access that are downloading shit for free instead of going out and buying the music. Cats that have these sorts of thing should have the disposable income to at least purchase a dudes single for 99cents..
come on fam.
Most human beings don't buy what they need the buy what they want .. that's why cats credit is so screwed now..
Indeed especially on the part about real artist will continue to record.
But if I got you right you do art for a living amongst other things. Part of what you do is put your artwork on clothing items and shit.
Now imagine you can't pay rent because cat is cutting and copying your art and making heat transfer Tees out of your work.........HMMMMMMM
uh anyway..
Seriously.. That's why NYOIL is posting this new mixcd up on various blogs for FREE. Trying to experiment with just giving the music away and finding other ways of developing income.
Indeed especially on the part about real artist will continue to record.
But if I got you right you do art for a living amongst other things. Part of what you do is put your artwork on clothing items and shit.
Now imagine you can't pay rent because cat is cutting and copying your art and making heat transfer Tees out of your work.........HMMMMMMM
uh anyway..
Seriously.. That's why NYOIL is posting this new mixcd up on various blogs for FREE. Trying to experiment with just giving the music away and finding other ways of developing income.
Bro,............. the money is in advertising.
Just a small tip.
Do your homework on the google model.
Peace.
Indeed fam.. and i am a few steps ahead of you on that one. But Advertisers look for some sort of numbers verification. Remember we are talking about a pragmatic industry. They still don't know what to do with the internet.
Most they know to do is try to sign an artist with a lot of myspace plays.
Without Soundscan numbers or BDS spins you are fucked in terms of making that case.
The type of business model you are suggesting (Google) is a venture that accesses start up capital. Also it was a part of a small market with limited competition.
There wasn't a SUPER GOOGLE with millions in marketing dollars in existence the only real comp was Yahoo. That is not enough to call competition.
Again I do agree that the money is there but you have to make a case to warrant advert. Dollars.
HNIC is trying to get ad dollars but he has to maintain a website and build it up enough to WARRANT those advert Dollars..
The same for Rap artist.
True. There is that fine line when bootlegging effects the bottom line. I lost my major contract years ago because of someone under cutting me. I understand what you are saying.
I believe NYOIL is going to be the next Mos Def if not larger. The cats got talent and a mind beyond just hip hop. Most rappers coming out now aren't even on his level.
The issue is though that the industry needs to "adapt and overcome" thats the first thing you learn in business. Everthing is becoming digital and it's not just the consumer who is at fault. Technology will continue to change and grow and eventually you will have to move on with the flow or get left behind.
New avenues have to be opened for artists to create and have their product consumed. If CD's don't sell why are you pressing CD's? Why is the price of CD's still 18.99? It's time for the industry as a whole to cute back completely. I'm sorry for the box boy who packs CD's at BMG, but you might need to keep 5 guys instead 15 guys for that job in order to afford the cut back.
CD's need to finally drop to $5 bucks or less and add additional video content on them in order to add anticipation, when that is over with then convert to an all digital format.
HIP HOP will never die, just the vehicle it rode in on...CD's.
- gotta co-sign this. how many times have you heard a woman say she doesn't like XYZ emcee because he ain't "cute" or the reason they like ABC rapper is because he is "sexy" or "he my baby daddy!"....these women want a rapper that has sex appeal and is dropping these jackson 5 buttersoft pop tracks that get play in the clubs...
whatever happened to back in the day when the females got krunk off of KRS-1 and RAKIM at the party right alongside the fellas...
^^ without question pragmatic thinking in a digital world that is moving forward at light speed is suicide
The only problem that I am stuck at ... is the fact that if an artist isn't showing numbers in traditional outlets (Soundscan, BDS, Video spins) which are all things that either require money to aquire or means your making verifiable sales it is difficult to get on tour.
It is difficult to get shows for that matter. These promoters are just like fans in fact worse because they got money on the line when they bring an act into town.
If they don't think the act has a marquee name enough to pack em in they won't book em.
so the artist is shit outta luck. Or he has to sign with a major label that can afford to dump money into his marketing. Make him a household name.
But to get on a major he has to have a sellable product. And if he aint been selling with what he been making (good music) he better crank that solja boy harder then a muffagga.. LOL
The only problem that I am stuck at ... is the fact that if an artist isn't showing numbers in traditional outlets (Soundscan, BDS, Video spins) which are all things that either require money to aquire or means your making verifiable sales it is difficult to get on tour.
It is difficult to get shows for that matter. These promoters are just like fans in fact worse because they got money on the line when they bring an act into town.
If they don't think the act has a marquee name enough to pack em in they won't book em.
so the artist is shit outta luck. Or he has to sign with a major label that can afford to dump money into his marketing. Make him a household name.
But to get on a major he has to have a sellable product. And if he aint been selling with what he been making (good music) he better crank that solja boy harder then a muffagga.. LOL
Bro, like anything in life, it will take time.
What happen to making the rounds in the underground spots? in the open mics? etc....
It takes time and hard work, the original ingredients.
The time where labels give large advances etc is done.
back to basics.
You keep thinking that the end goal is to get signed. Get rid of that goal. focus on making a good product.
It's like trying to start a business that you hope someone will buyout.
Start it because you really believe in your product. Eventually it is going to stand out and things will flow from there.
Think out of the box.............
100% TRUTH!!!!
You hit it on the fucking head. Niggas need to learn that just because its new don't mean its good. I the youth today are trying so hard to listen to new shit that they do not realize a decade ago to two decades ago some of the best must music ever was made in just about all genres. 50s - the early 90's best musics ever. Fuck you if you don't agree cause the truth is the truth.
Start looking back and you'll find way better content and performances than todays. Way more talent.
The only music today that seems to be consistent with real content is country, and I fucking hate country music, but they sing about something. Fucking Hip Hop and R&B ain't about shit.
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Shit, "Back Like That" is the reason I ain't bought that nigga album.
[FLASH]http://youtube.com/v/jIHjuSWzGEA[/FLASH]
Real talk man. I understand you completely. We have to make a better way.
One thing the labels can do to save all music and discourage downloading is to increase the value of the product.
For example when Puff released the bad boy 10 year comp he included a DVD with the videos. I'd feel much better about purchasing a CD/DVD combo for 15-18 if I knew I was getting something that isn't available online in high quality. You can flip this model for DVD movies as well, include the soundtrack in the package! This will discourage downloading but it won't stop Rodney Jenkins on the corner...
For example when Puff released the bad boy 10 year comp he included a DVD with the videos. I'd feel much better about purchasing a CD/DVD combo for 15-18 if I knew I was getting something that isn't available online in high quality. You can flip this model for DVD movies as well, include the soundtrack in the package! This will discourage downloading but it won't stop Rodney Jenkins on the corner...
First off, the game got fucked when the industry told the fans, we're not selling singles anymore. You have to buy the album. Remember when you go to the record store and buy a song you liked for $5. You'd probably get a new song or a remix on the b-side. That promotion technique worked.
Nowadays if artists don't do big numbers there first week, they may as well start work on their next album. Some artists get no promotion. What happened to the remixes? The only remixes I hear now are from DJ Khaled with the same muthafuckas collaborating. Yo, that shit is wack.
I can't believe some artists spend a year of their life putting an album out, just to drop one single and be done with it. Imagine if you are a rocafella artist. Besides Jay, you might drop an album every 3 or 4 years. Fuck that~I'm making sure my shit gets airplay. Even if I gotta trick people into buying my shit. I'd come with videos,remixes,collabs,televised concerts,what da fuc ever! You gotta know how to do more than just spit.
Nowadays if artists don't do big numbers there first week, they may as well start work on their next album. Some artists get no promotion. What happened to the remixes? The only remixes I hear now are from DJ Khaled with the same muthafuckas collaborating. Yo, that shit is wack.
I can't believe some artists spend a year of their life putting an album out, just to drop one single and be done with it. Imagine if you are a rocafella artist. Besides Jay, you might drop an album every 3 or 4 years. Fuck that~I'm making sure my shit gets airplay. Even if I gotta trick people into buying my shit. I'd come with videos,remixes,collabs,televised concerts,what da fuc ever! You gotta know how to do more than just spit.
Thats why I think Lil' Wayne has the best formula. He makes mix tapes every damn week. He gets on everybody's single. He's actually treating "rapping" like a job. Everybody else drops a record once a year or two and crys behind their sales. Those days are done. You need to treat your craft like a job.
Stop thinking about living big off of records and just enjoy making records. My homeboy Jenero Jarrell from Houston makes records like every other month I think and right now he said it best..."I make my living by touring and rapping for a living". He's not a big name but he's happy with what he does.
Fam.. i think you're convieniently using poverty to supposed poor folks advantage.. lol
Fact is cats spend the money they would spend on a CD on weed every day times 4
Fact is we talking about people with computer access and Ipod access that are downloading shit for free instead of going out and buying the music. Cats that have these sorts of thing should have the disposable income to at least purchase a dudes single for 99cents..
come on fam.
Most human beings don't buy what they need the buy what they want .. that's why cats credit is so screwed now..
That's my point exactly, but especially us.
I'm coping that Ghost based off that footage. Now I'm not saying I'm buying CDs again but I'll give a shout every now and then to a "real" artist.
Many of these brothas are our voices. People really don't understand or realize how important a Common or Talib are to our survival. We criticize them for not bringing it in a certain way on this track or that track but these are our leaders man. These are our presenters.
You are fortunate to have these soldiers on the front lines. And many of you don't know it. You take it for granted. So we have to support these artist that are making quality statements through music.
So many whites relate to us based on what they hear or see. And this is to some extent critical because we have to deal with them on a daily basis.
Dont care too much for Hip-hop but I think they lack diversity (most of them).
Also, some dudes need to grow up, the fanbase is getting smaller becuase the people are making a attempt to change.
35 year old rappers with big gold chain and horrible speech (ebonics) need to rap about something to relate to the fans with, don't brag about money.
Especially black folks since we stay changing, one day a nigga can be a thug, next day he's a christian in Chruch.
Rappers need to look at the people they advertise too and get more in sync with them.
Also, some dudes need to grow up, the fanbase is getting smaller becuase the people are making a attempt to change.
35 year old rappers with big gold chain and horrible speech (ebonics) need to rap about something to relate to the fans with, don't brag about money.
Especially black folks since we stay changing, one day a nigga can be a thug, next day he's a christian in Chruch.
Rappers need to look at the people they advertise too and get more in sync with them.
I blame wack hoes, crack babies, cracka execs(goverment agents
), and sell out radio stations.
This is bigger then rap music. There is no positive cultural awareness and consciousness in 98% of rap music. Real shit is happening and humanity is at a crossroads and you still have deaf, dumb, and blind mofos on some ball til they fall bullshit
.
Also the overall morality of our people have fallen
. The state of today's youth reflects this. It is being manifested through the music.
), and sell out radio stations. This is bigger then rap music. There is no positive cultural awareness and consciousness in 98% of rap music. Real shit is happening and humanity is at a crossroads and you still have deaf, dumb, and blind mofos on some ball til they fall bullshit
.Also the overall morality of our people have fallen
. The state of today's youth reflects this. It is being manifested through the music.
classics get bought, but like some of my BGOL peoples have said, "We Grew Up"! The music needs to, at the very least, reflect the "LIVES" of the fans who have been around to help make this shit GREAT.
Long B4 it got fucked up by so called fans who have NEVER BEEN to a LIVE show, and only know about songs because it's on TV! Who remembers finding some Xclusive shit and playing it until you knew it by heart.
No offense...but, I'm speaking of a time B4 females even "really" liked HipHop! Now R&B/HipHop bullshit sells more again and a real Brother can't even get any M.O.P. these days. Damn
Long B4 it got fucked up by so called fans who have NEVER BEEN to a LIVE show, and only know about songs because it's on TV! Who remembers finding some Xclusive shit and playing it until you knew it by heart.
No offense...but, I'm speaking of a time B4 females even "really" liked HipHop! Now R&B/HipHop bullshit sells more again and a real Brother can't even get any M.O.P. these days. Damn
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