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therealjondoe said:
I liked the premise
Kids are disappearing in this town. Local electronics store has a program where you bring in your child and have them videotaped to have a record to help the police/community to aid in helping finding your child if something ever happens to them. They stand in front of a backdrop that shows their height and they answer simple questions. Turns out one of the employees is the one doing the disappearing and making his own tapes.
It felt like a program that would have existed in the 80s. I grew up in the Adam Walsh era. Been to that store were he was taken as a kid and grew up hearing my moms paranoia about not leaving her side.
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You know what? Im try to actually watch this
 
Piff Henderson said:
Even if it did have a sexual aspect, how would that differ from The Nightmare on Elm Street? Freddy was a pedophile.
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In the original Nightmare on Elm Street, it was not clear that Freddy was a pedophile. As a matter of fact, its the the families' street justice that is the whole reason Freddy's spirit is doing what he's doing.
In the remake, they clearly made him a pedo, which annoyed me because it destroyed the question of who was actually responsible and the philosophical question of "Did the families of the children create Freddy Krueger the murderous spirit?" because when you turn a killer into a pedo, there is not moral compass for examination of the question of "why"? Everybody just wants him dead. You can ask the question of "why" if he is just killing but if he is molesting, nobody cares about the why, so it removes the possibility of asking if the families went too far in killing Freddy without finding out if he was for sure the serial killer.
 
MistaPhantastic said:
In the original Nightmare on Elm Street, it was not clear that Freddy was a pedophile. As a matter of fact, its the the families' street justice that is the whole reason Freddy's spirit is doing what he's doing.
In the remake, they clearly made him a pedo, which annoyed me because it destroyed the question of who was actually responsible and the philosophical question of "Did the families of the children create Freddy Krueger the murderous spirit?" because when you turn a killer into a pedo, there is not moral compass for examination of the question of "why"? Everybody just wants him dead. You can ask the question of "why" if he is just killing but if he is molesting, nobody cares about the why, so it removes the possibility of asking if the families went too far in killing Freddy without finding out if he was for sure the serial killer.
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If he's killing children, no one cares about why. In fact, I believe most people would agree the murder of children is more heinous than pedophilia w/o murder. So tacking on pedophilia to his crimes is like saying Hitler was also a domestic abuser. Meaning it really doesn't make him seem worse since what we know he did is already awful.

Either way, it has been established in the canon that Freddy was a pedo so my original statement is correct on facts.
 
tallblacknyc said:
In the movie alligator a kid was eaten in the infamous pool scene

In the blob a kid was killed

In it a killed was killed

I think the movie octopus or tentacles ( whatever it was called)

Technically Freddy was killing teenagers in a bunch of his movies (underage)

In nosferatu kids were killed

In the vampire movie let me in kids were killed

Tons of horror flicks kids are killed.. the horror genre is just that horror.. no one is safe

Hell avp 2 kids were getting killed..once the facehuggers got on the kids face you knew what was up
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In Midnight Man kids are killed also. In fact, he's holding the head of a little girl who we saw alive earlier in his hand.

Then, of course, in It children are the main targets.
 
MistaPhantastic said:
In the original Nightmare on Elm Street, it was not clear that Freddy was a pedophile. As a matter of fact, its the the families' street justice that is the whole reason Freddy's spirit is doing what he's doing.
In the remake, they clearly made him a pedo, which annoyed me because it destroyed the question of who was actually responsible and the philosophical question of "Did the families of the children create Freddy Krueger the murderous spirit?" because when you turn a killer into a pedo, there is not moral compass for examination of the question of "why"? Everybody just wants him dead. You can ask the question of "why" if he is just killing but if he is molesting, nobody cares about the why, so it removes the possibility of asking if the families went too far in killing Freddy without finding out if he was for sure the serial killer.
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Freddy got off on a technicality that’s why he didn’t go to jail.. kinda like they never read him his Miranda rights and that’s why he got off.. it was clear as day everybody knew he was the killer and that’s why the parents turn to street justice cause no way they was gonna let him walk cause some law enforcement fuckup.. the new version of elm street was actually trying to make it seem like the parents were wrong until the end when they saw the underage pics he had stored away.. that’s why I didn’t like the new 1 cause they were trying to make it seem like Freddy might be innocent… Freddy spirit isn’t killing kids cause of the parents street justice he’s killing kids cause that’s what he did when he was human a pedo and killer.. remember he could easily kill the parents if this was about revenge for burning him to death.. nope he wanted to continue his pedo and killing as a spirit monster
 
Piff Henderson said:
In Midnight Man kids are killed also. In fact, he's holding the head of a little girl who we saw alive earlier in his hand.

Then, of course, in It children are the main targets.
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Kids be getting killed , kids be killing( children of the corn, pet semetary, etc).. horror and comedy always had the openness to have no bounds and that everyone can get it
 
playahaitian said:
but aint no way in hell being comfortable watching little kids killed makes you (generally speaking) MORE of a fan as opposed to someone else..
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I get you, fam, but I specifically mentioned that you're not supposed to be comfortable with it in the very post you quoted.

That was my point; you're not supposed to be comfortable with every film you view. Ari Aster didn't make Hereditary, to use one example, for comfort viewing.
 
tallblacknyc said:
Kids be getting killed , kids be killing( children of the corn, pet semetary, etc).. horror and comedy always had the openness to have no bounds and that everyone can get it
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Seen this..?

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Piff Henderson said:
I get you, fam, but I specifically mentioned that you're not supposed to be comfortable with it in the very post you quoted.

That was my point; you're not supposed to be comfortable with every film you view. Ari Aster didn't make Hereditary, to use one example, for comfort viewing.
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^^^^ 100% bro.

and I know horror rules are completely different.

But generally speaking there was a unwritten agreed upon line with kids.

Of course the line was moved at times but even then if you went TOO FAR?

You were not rewarded.

I gotta stfu soon because im going off OTHER PEOPLE views. And from people I trust who said what made it wack to them? is the fact it wasn't good. And to me that is a BIG factor in how I judge these things.

Was it WORTH IT?

Cause if it is? I'm all for it. I probably won't watch it? But I will support and defend your right to do it.

But doing it badly carelessly and mean spirit nah

Especially when there is a very real history of actual pedophile directors and writers and directors manipulating kids in movies overall horror specifically. Victor Salva to name one.
 
playahaitian said:
^^^^ 100% bro.

and I know horror rules are completely different.

But generally speaking there was a unwritten agreed upon line with kids.

Of course the line was moved at times but even then if you went TOO FAR?

You were not rewarded.

I gotta stfu soon because im going off OTHER PEOPLE views. And from people I trust who said what made it wack to them? is the fact it wasn't good. And to me that is a BIG factor in how I judge these things.

Was it WORTH IT?

Cause if it is? I'm all for it. I probably won't watch it? But I will support and defend your right to do it.

But doing it badly carelessly and mean spirit nah

Especially when there is a very real history of actual pedophile directors and writers and directors manipulating kids in movies overall horror specifically. Victor Salva to name one.
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Bro, filmmakers have been crossing that line for decades. Even Boris Karloff's Frankenstein showed the little girl being drowned by the monster. It was inadvertent in that case though.

In the original Death Race children were explicitly stated to be targets but they didn't depict any children being killed AFAIK.

As for pedophile directors, I see your point but they can be there for any genre of film. Most of the directors who've had accusations against, excluding Salva of course, have been directors of dramas and art films, at least it seems that way.
 
playahaitian said:
I don't know about that. Those are definitely in my personal all time best list

I hate ranking but fright night, sinners, blade and let the right one in (both versions) could easily go up there now.
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Nah.. fright night not beating lost boys , Dracula, or dusk till dawn especially if you rewatch it now… I liked it back in the days and thought it was cool at the time but than rewatched it and it’s kinda boring / corny for modern times.. not as fast pace as the other 3.. sinners is black Panther all over again as far as people overhyping it cause it’s a black film.. I actually like sinners way better than black Panther and think it’s a quality film but it’s a time piece film that has vampire elements, the vampires don’t show up till damn near half the film and it goes into similarities of lost boys/ dusk till dawn when it comes to the fighting towards the end.. people would say sinners is the black dusk till dawn.. remember you are being compared to the film previous… blade was good I actually like the sequel better but I put it top 10 not top 3 just like underworld 2.. they up there just not top 3… Dracula is the origin story, lost boys is the updated version of the vampire genre that got rid of the capes and made vampires vicious but cool, dusk till dawn created the action pack vampire genre .. triple ogs
 
Piff Henderson said:
Bro, filmmakers have been crossing that line for decades. Even Boris Karloff's Frankenstein showed the little girl being drowned by the monster. It was inadvertent in that case though.

In the original Death Race children were explicitly stated to be targets but they didn't depict any children being killed AFAIK.

As for pedophile directors, I see your point but they can be there for any genre of film. Most of the directors who've had accusations against, excluding Salva of course, have been directors of dramas and art films, at least it seems that way.
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There are no rules in horror especially in the past 45+ yrs.. hell didn’t jaws kill a teen and some kids? That was the 70s.. like I said the old octopus movie… hell the movie dogs killed damn near the whole town and I think that movie was made in 77
 
tallblacknyc said:
There are no rules in horror especially in the past 45+ yrs.. hell didn’t jaws kill a teen and some kids? That was the 70s.. like I said the old octopus movie… hell the movie dogs killed damn near the whole town and I think that movie was made in 77
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First 45 secs of vid.. octopus first kill was a baby.. 1977 film
 
Piff Henderson said:
Bro, filmmakers have been crossing that line for decades. Even Boris Karloff's Frankenstein showed the little girl being drowned by the monster. It was inadvertent in that case though.

In the original Death Race children were explicitly stated to be targets but they didn't depict any children being killed AFAIK.

As for pedophile directors, I see your point but they can be there for any genre of film. Most of the directors who've had accusations against, excluding Salva of course, have been directors of dramas and art films, at least it seems that way.
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Between the jokes and talking to multuple people my point got lost. I'm specifically talking about graphic extended killing, torture, hurting of kids shown to the audience
 
playahaitian said:
Between the jokes and talking to multuple people my point got lost. I'm specifically talking about graphic extended killing, torture, hurting of kids shown to the audience
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I got you. Not too many films show that. Most child deaths are done off screen. The film I referenced a few comments ago, The Midnight Man, showed the little girl's decapitated head but not her death.

In fact, I can't even think of a horror film that shows the graphic death of a child apart from Hereditary. That said, that's not a line for me personally. As long as it can be done safely as far as actors and crew go, I'm not against viewing it.
 
Piff Henderson said:
I got you. Not too many films show that. Most child deaths are done off screen. The film I referenced a few comments ago, The Midnight Man, showed the little girl's decapitated head but not her death.

In fact, I can't even think of a horror film that shows the graphic death of a child apart from Hereditary. That said, that's not a line for me personally. As long as it can be done safely as far as actors and crew go, I'm not against viewing it.
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That's all I'm saying thanking for help me express my point.
 
Piff Henderson said:
I got you. Not too many films show that. Most child deaths are done off screen. The film I referenced a few comments ago, The Midnight Man, showed the little girl's decapitated head but not her death.

In fact, I can't even think of a horror film that shows the graphic death of a child apart from Hereditary. That said, that's not a line for me personally. As long as it can be done safely as far as actors and crew go, I'm not against viewing it.
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