The Issue of Black Men Attending College Is Even Worse Than You Think Black male HBCU students is the lowest it's been since 1976.

In my day, that's what 'dusty' meant; now, a lot of younger girls think that if a guy doesn't have a cool car and doesn't have their own crib, they're considered 'dusty' and 'broke, especially if they are dimes.
There's a small percentage of broads that think like this and the reality they ain't shit so who cares.. you ain't going to fuck every broad out there but there is a good percentage of broads you can fuck.. I see plenty of young dudes with either jobs, go to school, or go to school and got a job and they get pussy.. if you in a place like ny with many job opportunities and a large female population... Other places might be a lil different
 
Because they risk being called broke, dusty, and not worthy of most top-rated women their age, especially when they are competing against older men, sometimes white dudes, and the fast lifestyle that is seducing many black women their age.
Again, what are they forgoing by going to college? What are the lucrative options ?

And you are way overplaying the broke dusty thing.
 
Again, what are they forgoing by going to college? What are the lucrative options ?

And you are way overplaying the broke dusty thing.
I am not saying that they are dusty, I am saying they fear being ostracized and not being able to compete in todays plays a factor in guys who feel that going to college, not having enough moeny for clothes dating and flexing on social media is causing less guy to be interested, as oppoed to 20 years ago.
It would be more productive to give a better explanation why, as opposed to saying generic tropes, such as that there aren't enough black male teachers, assuming that there are a lot of white male teachers, Spanish male teachers, Indian teachers, or black male teachers in the past. Give me a better explanation that considers this, and then we can start there.
 
There's a small percentage of broads that think like this and the reality they ain't shit so who cares.. you ain't going to fuck every broad out there but there is a good percentage of broads you can fuck.. I see plenty of young dudes with either jobs, go to school, or go to school and got a job and they get pussy.. if you in a place like ny with many job opportunities and a large female population... Other places might be a lil different
But this number is way more than 20 years ago and I bet if you were to quantify this number,r it would perfectly coincide with the black male absence in college as well as other activities that are traditionally passed down from father to son, things like playing chess, going to baseball games, and fixing cars. Because of the lack of fathers to guide these boys, giving them the proper discipline to combat against the temptation of instant gratification and rewards that are being pushed on black young men that were much less 20 years ago.
 
I don’t agree with 99% of what he puts out.

But he hit the nail on the head on this subject.

Dr. Umar Johnson Breaks Down Useless Degrees
May 2025

$80K DEGREES THAT DON'T PAY!

Dr. Umar Johnson drops knowledge on education ROI and why Black economics matter


 
I don’t agree with 99% of what he puts out.

But he hit the nail on the head on this subject.

Dr. Umar Johnson Breaks Down Useless Degrees
May 2025

$80K DEGREES THAT DON'T PAY!

Dr. Umar Johnson drops knowledge on education ROI and why Black economics matter



He said everything i said except of you going to study competitive subjects like law and medicine, you better be in the top 10 percent, because nobody wants a C doctor!
 
Also (think about it) one reason why so many chicks in their 30 are out here begging for a six figure man is because many of them are drowning in debt created by their student loan from college, yet they still feel they are entitled to a man to pay it off.
Straight Black men on the other hand, have no such options and unless they are extremely handsome will struggle in the saying matkert, which explains why so many of them are sexless compared to black males their age 20 years ago.
The game is rigged for this to happen and is part of the attack on black families.
 
Also (think about it) one reason why so many chicks in their 30 are out here begging for a six figure man is because many of them are drowning in debt created by their student loan from college, yet they still feel they are entitled to a man to pay it off.
Straight Black men on the other hand, have no such options and unless they are extremely handsome will struggle in the saying matkert, which explains why so many of them are sexless compared to black males their age 20 years ago.
The game is rigged for this to happen and is part of the attack on black families.


Good point.
 
But this number is way more than 20 years ago and I bet if you were to quantify this number,r it would perfectly coincide with the black male absence in college as well as other activities that are traditionally passed down from father to son, things like playing chess, going to baseball games, and fixing cars. Because of the lack of fathers to guide these boys, giving them the proper discipline to combat against the temptation of instant gratification and rewards that are being pushed on black young men that were much less 20 years ago.
There’s 20 million people in ny..half of the population is females.. that’s 10 million females.. ny has more females than like 40 other states population… 1.9 million females are black, 1.2 million females are Hispanic.. just off those 2 alone you have over 3 million females at your disposal… I didn’t even mention cac, Asian, mideastern, or others.. didn’t even mention all the out of state workers that come to ny or college students.. so does it matter that a small percentage have some stupid ideology no it dosent when you have millions of other options.. this is why math is the universal language and if you understand it and comprehend it you can utilize it in ways you could never imagine.. in the mating game it works wonders
 
There’s 20 million people in ny..half of the population is females.. that’s 10 million females.. ny has more females than like 40 other states population… 1.9 million females are black, 1.2 million females are Hispanic.. just off those 2 alone you have over 3 million females at your disposal… I didn’t even mention cac, Asian, mideastern, or others.. didn’t even mention all the out of state workers that come to ny or college students.. so does it matter that a small percentage have some stupid ideology no it dosent when you have millions of other options.. this is why math is the universal language and if you understand it and comprehend it you can utilize it in ways you could never imagine.. in the mating game it works wonders
Yes, thank you, but this isn't a discussion about quantity its a discussion about the comparative ratio of black males to black females.
Perhaps you posted in the wrong thread or you forgot to post the ratio that would have made your comment relevant to this conversation.
 
Yes, thank you, but this isn't a discussion about quantity its a discussion about the comparative ratio of black males to black females.
Perhaps you posted in the wrong thread or you forgot to post the ratio that would have made your comment relevant to this conversation.
You keep talking about some small percentage of broads that talk about dusty, broke, blah blah.. I’m saying who gives a fuck about a small percentage when you have millions of females to choose from.. I’m also showing for a black male in nyc he has plenty of opportunities as far as jobs to make money, if schooling is in his goals can achieve that also, or both and can still have a fruitful sex life.. like I said I know some young dudes achieving these things at this moment
 
You keep talking about some small percentage of broads that talk about dusty, broke, blah blah.. I’m saying who gives a fuck about a small percentage when you have millions of females to choose from.. I’m also showing for a black male in nyc he has plenty of opportunities as far as jobs to make money, if schooling is in his goals can achieve that also, or both and can still have a fruitful sex life.. like I said I know some young dudes achieving these things at this moment
I never quantified my statement, all I said is that more women are thinking that way now than it was 20 years ago, and even though correlation doesn't automatically mean causation, the fact that during that period black men also stopped going to, not only colleges, but also baseball games and chess (things traditinally associated with things that are passed down from father to son), I hypothesize that there could be a corrilation worth investigating.
 
I never quantified my statement, all I said is that more women are thinking that way now than it was 20 years ago, and even though correlation doesn't automatically mean causation, the fact that during that period black men also stopped going to, not only colleges, but also baseball games and chess (things traditinally associated with things that are passed down from father to son), I hypothesize that there could be a corrilation worth investigating.
Black people enjoyed basketball and football more over the past decades… u’ll find more basketball courts than baseball fields in america..you also can basically play football anywhere, all you need is a football, just like basketball all you need is a ball.. baseball is various things… there’s a demographic of people that think chess is boring.. board game playing as a whole have declined due to technology, people losing interest, and attention spans lessening.. also the increase of love for card games.. cards are cheap , you can play anywhere, and it’s faster pace.. also have various games to choose from with cards.. also the increase of betting made things like card more attractive to society… as far as college they have jumped up in price at record highs.. even degrees that aren’t medical or law could cost you in the high 5 even low 6 figs.. that makes some people want to not pursue those things, plus those kids are seeing how some of their parents might be struggling from their old student loans and the kid like fuck that I’m not trying to go through that shit
 
Black people enjoyed basketball and football more over the past decades… u’ll find more basketball courts than baseball fields in america..you also can basically play football anywhere, all you need is a football, just like basketball all you need is a ball.. baseball is various things… there’s a demographic of people that think chess is boring.. board game playing as a whole have declined due to technology, people losing interest, and attention spans lessening.. also the increase of love for card games.. cards are cheap , you can play anywhere, and it’s faster pace.. also have various games to choose from with cards.. also the increase of betting made things like card more attractive to society… as far as college they have jumped up in price at record highs.. even degrees that aren’t medical or law could cost you in the high 5 even low 6 figs.. that makes some people want to not pursue those things, plus those kids are seeing how some of their parents might be struggling from their old student loans and the kid like fuck that I’m not trying to go through that shit
All the things you just typed have been around for years. My question is, why did the decline happen so suddenly? And is it true that once these things stopped, traits and activities associated with women, such as shopping, dancing, and hair care, actually increased over the same period?
And as far as chess being boring, I've never met a person who actually knows how to play the game. Usually, those who can't play or struggle with ADHD or kids think it's boring, but I do agree that it's not as appealing as the faster-paced video games, but to me, kids' minds today are faster paced and demand immediate gratification and are less cerebral than kids of the past. Think about it, when was the last time you saw a black male reading a book? Faster-paced minds make children less disciplined and less likely to pursue things that take multiple steps to finish, which is why hood dudes always love playing dice, a game of pure chance, over a game like chess, which requires little chance and all ability to think multiple steps ahead.
No one is born with this ability, its something that has to be nurtured, and traditionally it's the father's job to instill this type of development and with the combo of fewer fathers present, the pressure of having to have more money at a younger age, as well as technology speeding up the world. black males often fall into a trap of mortgaging their future for instant gratification of looking good "today" when they are younger, and this is why, in my opinion, they are less attracted to the slow, arduous process of attending college.
 
Here is an article on the matter that touches on some of my points.


The saying, “college isn’t for everybody,” is popular in American society. It often highlights alternative career paths like trade schools, certifications, and mentorship programs. But, this phrase can be problematic given the barriers many face. Stating, “college isn’t for everyone,” in this context may be dismissive or racist. Because it implies that some groups are less deserving of academic opportunities, as it stands, Black students are more likely to attend underfunded primary schools. And face disciplinary actions more frequently than their White peers. This deprives them of an equal opportunity to succeed. And position themselves as prime candidates for college. Beyond this racial injustice, another disparity exists. Black men are the group least likely to earn a college degree in America. This data point has caused quite the stir in online discussions.

Some blamed the gender gap in college degree attainment on poor personal decisions. They did so by using Black women’s high degree completion rate as a benchmark. They argued that their success ruled out the possibility of structural barriers. Yet, research suggests the reasons for this gender gap are more nuanced. Given the impact on the black community, it is worthwhile to consider why. Traditional analyses often overlook the intersection of race and gender. This leads many to assume the experiences of Black women and men are the same. Even though their lived experience is far more layered. In 1989, scholar Kimberlé Crenshaw coined “intersectionality” to describe this phenomenon. She noted, “Black men and women live in a society that creates sex-based norms and expectations, which racism simultaneously operates to deny.” How does this apply to Black men?

American society expects men to become providers for their families. Feminists and gender scholars might argue that this is due to our patriarchal culture. And that these gender norms can cause harm. But as it stands, Black men are still pressured to earn more than Black women. The debate over 50–50 in romantic relationships underscores this. Some Black women prefer dating men who fulfil this traditional role, as the provider. This applies pressure on Black men to meet this “expectation.” But attending college requires someone to balance work, life, and family. Something that often requires students to take a break from working full-time. This is difficult to do for those who lack financial support. Like other men, Black men face pressure to become providers, but they also encounter racism that White men do not. They often do not receive support from others. College graduates generally earn more than those without degrees. Thus, fewer Black men with college degrees result in fewer potential providers. This creates a tension between sex-based norms, expectations, and harsh reality. This illustrates one way gender and race intersect to shape experiences of Black men.

Another example of this combination of race and gender would be the use of stereotypes. Some are gender-specific. The Jim Crow Museum identified examples. The Sambo caricature depicted African American males as “jolly, overgrown child[ren].” Who were “happy to serve” their “master.” Through minstrel shows, the caricature of Jim Crow became popular in American culture. So much so that it came to reference the system of racial segregation. White actors often blackened their faces to portray the character. It became a representation of a “black man in the mind of the Western world.” By mocking Black men, they sought to dehumanize them. A modern example would be the way White people refer to young Black men as a “thug.” Even without evidence of criminal behavior, they use this label. And in doing so, they feed into the myth of their increased criminality. “There were four stereotypes for female African-Americans.” The “Mammy, Aunt Jemimah, Sapphire, and Jezebel.” They continue to impact how society views and treats Black women. These race-based gender stereotypes highlight their unique experience.

So, if we want to know why fewer Black men attend college, we must dig deeper. And that means considering the combined impact of gender and race, not one or the other. Last summer, Jerrel Lamon Starling published a qualitative study examining those barriers. Several recurring themes emerged in semi-structured interviews. Such as lacking financial support and resources, mentorship, and a sense of belonging. Those experiencing financial pressure may not feel college is feasible. And negative K-12 experiences may make some feel they would not fit into a college environment. Starling’s research revealed other factors that impact collegiate decisions among Black men, such as self-determination and racial disparities. Sadly, some dismiss the diverse factors contributing to this social problem. When systemic barriers are portrayed as personal shortcomings, it deters discourse on remedying harmful patterns.

Wint et al. (2020) suggested applying an intersectional approach to learn more about their experience. “Schools are social systems.” Thus, the prejudice of the surrounding society impacts Black boys and adolescents. We should consider barriers within their educational trajectory. That requires examining the roles of race and gender. Graduating from high school increases when a parent or guardian supports that student. Mainly, when parents and guardians prioritize their educational or career goals. Sadly, many Black boys feel they do not have this directional guidance. And we should not overlook the significant impact of role models. Exposure to Black men who “achieved economic success through academic achievement” helped. Low representation is a barrier to academic success for Black boys and adolescents. Only 1.3% of Black men are teachers and 2.6% are physicians. This highlights a harmful cycle—one where fewer Black men filling these roles reduces Black young men’s willingness to pursue these career tracks.

Another factor to consider is the perceived benefits of earning a college degree. Researchers examined the intersection of race and gender in the United States. They found education and income reduced the risk of discrimination and depression for White and Black women. But this was not the case for Black men. Thus, it makes sense that they were less likely to see college completion as a viable solution. Authors note that many Black men feel they are “singled out as dangerous, threatening,” and “inferior.” People often assume that Black men experience American society in the same way as Black women. Yet, this misconception overlooks critical nuances, such as how race and gender intersect to create a unique experience. This does not imply that Black women have more privilege relative to Black men. But, it does illustrate the importance of intersectionality. Assuming that these experiences are the same omits essential details, such as barriers to college degree attainment for Black men.

Black girls and women face many of the same barriers as Black boys and men. They often attend schools that are deprived of adequate resources. On a national level, “Black girls were suspended six times more than white girls. Black boys were suspended three times as often as white boys.” So, what is causing this schism at the collegiate level? Valerie Adams-Bass, assistant professor at the University of Virginia, provided valuable insight. She noted that one of the most significant factors is the “way parents socialize Black girls.” Parents often encourage Black girls to “do well and excel in school so they can pursue career paths.” Yet, “parents aren’t always able to have those same conversations with Black boys.” “Because of the heightened risk of criminalization they face.” Parents frequently discuss “their sense of self and identity and being careful.” This differing socialization may impact the emphasis that some place on their education.

Still curious about the factors underlying this trend, I sought insight. I asked a few questions of a 19-year-old Black man who chose not to attend college. This is a year after graduating from McDonogh 35 High School in New Orleans. He decided to enroll in trade school. I asked what factors contributed to his decision to forgo submitting college applications. What he told me surprised me a bit. Despite attending a “college preparatory” school, he didn’t feel prepared. He and some of his peers felt attending college seemed “impossible.” I inquired about a state-scholarship program called TOPS. This program provides financial assistance to students who achieve at least a 2.5 GPA and a 20 on the ACT. Those who qualify can attend a state school free of charge. But he shared that no one ever discussed this program with his classmates. As an A-B student, he would likely excel in a college environment. Still, some thought college was “only for smart kids.” And not something attainable for everyone or even most students. He also mentioned the financial pressure on Black teens to contribute financially.

Some argue that Black men need more accountability. That we should hold their feet to the fire for this gender gap. However, we should also hold society accountable because even self-efficacy is shaped by external cues. Research ties self-efficacy to an increase in male attendance at Black colleges. This suggests that belief in oneself increases the likelihood of attending college. One study revealed that Black consciousness and self-esteem were positively related to academic self-efficacy. Thus, heightened self-esteem and racial awareness would enhance their willingness to attend college. This analysis reveals that a healthy sense of self is key for Black boys and adolescents. Yet, society overlooks these difficulties by casting blame and making disparaging remarks.

Black men are less likely to attend college. And one study suggests they are 35% less likely to graduate on time compared to other race-gender groups. So when Black men say they lack the support and resources they need, we should believe them. We should also remember that underrepresentation in college degree attainment limits career prospects and hinders a path toward financial security. It also perpetuates a cycle where Black boys seeing fewer role models means fewer pursue those career tracks.

This is not to say that college is for everyone. Many choose trade schools or alternative routes, which are also worth considering and pursuing. Nevertheless, it remains true that, on average, college graduates earn more. Even among those without a college degree, racism persists. Indeed, one study found that Black men without a college education earn “barely half of what their Asian American and white counterparts make.” This indicates that they are uniquely vulnerable to financial hardship without a degree. We must address this gap to ensure that Black men have an equal opportunity to become doctors, lawyers, and teachers. To do this, we must avoid falling into the trap of blaming Black men when systemic factors are clearly at play.
 
Now to connect the dots...
A feminine mind is an impulsive mind, an undisciplined mind, a mind that struggles with the notion of working hard today for a future reward.
Now women are able to stay in college because they hardly make any concessions while attending. They are still able to be active in the dating market, get paid to go, and even though they are as broke as the men that go, they are not stigmatized with the label.
And even when they have to pay their student loans, often ranging above 50 gs, they still aren't labeled as broke, and many of them expect men to either help them pay it off or assist them with their other bills. Black men have no such Santa Claus or White Jesus plan to help them once they get into debt.
This clearly shows a correlation on how black boys are coaxed into bypassing things that require discipline and dedication in favor of instant gratification, and why their minds are becoming more and more feminine, it was the plan all along, man!
 
Black people enjoyed basketball and football more over the past decades… u’ll find more basketball courts than baseball fields in america..you also can basically play football anywhere, all you need is a football, just like basketball all you need is a ball.. baseball is various things… there’s a demographic of people that think chess is boring.. board game playing as a whole have declined due to technology, people losing interest, and attention spans lessening.. also the increase of love for card games.. cards are cheap , you can play anywhere, and it’s faster pace.. also have various games to choose from with cards.. also the increase of betting made things like card more attractive to society… as far as college they have jumped up in price at record highs.. even degrees that aren’t medical or law could cost you in the high 5 even low 6 figs.. that makes some people want to not pursue those things, plus those kids are seeing how some of their parents might be struggling from their old student loans and the kid like fuck that I’m not trying to go through that shit

Very well stated as always.

Funny thing though board games and D&D and party games, escape rooms real and home based are actually very hot now across the board

Just saying.
 
They want to be rappers, Internet stars or hustlers.which is still a dream,most will be way more successful with a decent paying job or career but it's not exciting enough for a lot of dudes.

I also come across dudes who are young but have no real fucking talent at all,not good at nothing but running their mouths.
 
All the things you just typed have been around for years. My question is, why did the decline happen so suddenly? And is it true that once these things stopped, traits and activities associated with women, such as shopping, dancing, and hair care, actually increased over the same period?
And as far as chess being boring, I've never met a person who actually knows how to play the game. Usually, those who can't play or struggle with ADHD or kids think it's boring, but I do agree that it's not as appealing as the faster-paced video games, but to me, kids' minds today are faster paced and demand immediate gratification and are less cerebral than kids of the past. Think about it, when was the last time you saw a black male reading a book? Faster-paced minds make children less disciplined and less likely to pursue things that take multiple steps to finish, which is why hood dudes always love playing dice, a game of pure chance, over a game like chess, which requires little chance and all ability to think multiple steps ahead.
No one is born with this ability, its something that has to be nurtured, and traditionally it's the father's job to instill this type of development and with the combo of fewer fathers present, the pressure of having to have more money at a younger age, as well as technology speeding up the world. black males often fall into a trap of mortgaging their future for instant gratification of looking good "today" when they are younger, and this is why, in my opinion, they are less attracted to the slow, arduous process of attending college.
See black people reading all the time..last night on the bus in fact.. know various people that know how to play chess
 
Now to connect the dots...
A feminine mind is an impulsive mind, an undisciplined mind, a mind that struggles with the notion of working hard today for a future reward.
Now women are able to stay in college because they hardly make any concessions while attending. They are still able to be active in the dating market, get paid to go, and even though they are as broke as the men that go, they are not stigmatized with the label.
And even when they have to pay their student loans, often ranging above 50 gs, they still aren't labeled as broke, and many of them expect men to either help them pay it off or assist them with their other bills. Black men have no such Santa Claus or White Jesus plan to help them once they get into debt.
This clearly shows a correlation on how black boys are coaxed into bypassing things that require discipline and dedication in favor of instant gratification, and why their minds are becoming more and more feminine, it was the plan all along, man!
You said a feminine mind is impulsive, undisciplined, and a mind that struggles with the notion of working hard today for a future reward? In what dictionary is impulsive feminine? Undisciplined feminine? Or not seeing tomorrow feminine?… these are all human actions that have nothing to do with masculine or feminine.. acting on impulse… military training men to be super disciplined.. how many humans didn’t put money into stocks for decades, invest in biz for decades, didn’t take advantage of the internet for decades.. there’s stuff right now you can put work into right now that can better your future but you won’t does that mean you’re feminine?
 
They want to be rappers, Internet stars or hustlers.which is still a dream,most will be way more successful with a decent paying job or career but it's not exciting enough for a lot of dudes.

I also come across dudes who are young but have no real fucking talent at all,not good at nothing but running their mouths.
The nature of being young is being moldable. Hence why, in most cases, young people are not talented. You have to have time to put in work.....Its why dudes not going to school is a problem.
 
You said a feminine mind is impulsive, undisciplined, and a mind that struggles with the notion of working hard today for a future reward? In what dictionary is impulsive feminine? Undisciplined feminine? Or not seeing tomorrow feminine?… these are all human actions that have nothing to do with masculine or feminine.. acting on impulse… military training men to be super disciplined.. how many humans didn’t put money into stocks for decades, invest in biz for decades, didn’t take advantage of the internet for decades.. there’s stuff right now you can put work into right now that can better your future but you won’t does that mean you’re feminine?
Feminine mind isn't gender, all men have Feminine minds and women have a masculine part of their minds, its just most men need discipline for them to be productive, and while women can be disciplined its generally more of a challenge. These traits have more to do with yhe left and right sides of the cerebral hemispheres
and how men and women brains tend to think differently.
And from what I've seen in the states is that the school cariculum for most poor blacks tend to favor a feminine mind (of doing what you wany) as opposed to the masculine ( doing what's needed). And most male brains aren't wired that way. (Pay attention on how i use the words 'most' and ' many').
 
Now to connect the dots...
A feminine mind is an impulsive mind, an undisciplined mind, a mind that struggles with the notion of working hard today for a future reward.
Now women are able to stay in college because they hardly make any concessions while attending. They are still able to be active in the dating market, get paid to go, and even though they are as broke as the men that go, they are not stigmatized with the label.
And even when they have to pay their student loans, often ranging above 50 gs, they still aren't labeled as broke, and many of them expect men to either help them pay it off or assist them with their other bills. Black men have no such Santa Claus or White Jesus plan to help them once they get into debt.
This clearly shows a correlation on how black boys are coaxed into bypassing things that require discipline and dedication in favor of instant gratification, and why their minds are becoming more and more feminine, it was the plan all along, man!
I've been said participating in the dating market as a Black man at an HBCU has got to be stressful as fuck these days.
 
College graduates generally earn more than those without degrees. Thus, fewer Black men with college degrees result in fewer potential providers. This creates a tension between sex-based norms, expectations, and harsh reality. This illustrates one way gender and race intersect to shape experiences of Black men.

Women and people in general better stop thinking this way. Especially with the rise in AI. I've been saying this for years and I have an advanced degree. You. Do. Not. Have. to. Have. a. College. Degree. to. be. successful.

This is tired and played out. Just creating division among the sexes and between black men and women I think this is more prevalent. I don't think white women have an issue with dating a white man without a college degree, because they know that they are still white (without even consciously thinking about their privilege)

I understand the sentiment, but you get someone without a college degree running their own business in trades (where there are huge shortages) and they can pull in six figures easy. Nothing against you RR because I hear this in multiple places, but a college degree is not the end all, be all. I used to think like this until I joined the military and got out in the real world and found out that there are electricians and HVAC dudes our here making upwards of 200k a year. Welders especially make very good money.
 
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