Keep saying that dream of graduating high school then going off to college is a fucking debt trap. Yes I agree with going to college but overall most people A need to stay home and attend a community college first, or B attend the local 4 year university to take classes to not spend as much. Being 18 years old paying 10k for basic ass classes, room & board, plus a meal plan is fucking insane!!!! At 18 most don't know shit what they want to do in life and to be strapped down with that already creates a level of stress. First generation college students today are just getting exploited.
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100% agree and I think more high schools should educate parents and kids about being strategic in where you go to college....Maybe going in state vs out state is a better option as an example....Offer more classes that can be applied as college credit....Going to community college first and then transfering to an in state school...
Education is a business.
Is upward bound still around for most students?
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I do a shit load of consulting to parents and kids wanting to attend college. The biggest issues I see are kids that have big dreams that’s out of reach realistically and kids having no idea what they want to do.
Some kids that have big dreams have zero comprehension of the cost to go to school. For example, my niece wants to be a doctor, but wants to attend Wake Forest or Elon. The problem is that it cost 90k (including room and board) to attend. So that’s $360k for four years. I told her that her parents can’t afford that even if you get an 75% scholarship. They’re still going to be on the hook for 90k (and that’s just undergrad). Also, many scholarships on cover tuition cost and not room and board.
Another girl want to run track at Princeton or Alabama. She is state ranked and worthy, but I also told her these schools are always looking for the best talent and athletic scholarships are year to year basis. So if she decides to quit running or her scholarship isn’t renewed, how is she going to afford Princeton tuition or Alabama out-of-state cost?
When I try to explain this to the parents, they feel offended that I would suggest something lower for their child. The girl that wants to go to WF is bright and smart but she can major in Biology at a state support school for much cheaper and then transfer to WF as a graduate student which will be way cheaper. Every person I know that went to a prestigious private school usually went for their masters.
A con I see with some kids earning too much college credits coming into a 4-year school is that their time there is cut short and it may not be enough time to maximize what the school has to offer. For example, kids must do internships while in school to gain experience and majority will not get one their first or second year. If they come in as a sophomore then they only have 3 years to find an internship.
The pro is they cut time and cost in the long run.
This.
Anyone that knows their career path will require going to graduate school should take the cheapest route for undergrad and go to the school of your choice or that you can get into.
My homegirl went to WF on a full ride but will be quick to tell you if she didn’t get it, she would have gone somewhere else or stayed in state.
I went to George Washington after Winston for graduate school and while that shit did put me in the negative for 120K, it was worth it because I damn tripled my salary and what I paid is nowhere near what undergrads pay (90K a year).
I’ve worked in healthcare all my life and no one is looking at what school you attended. The fertility clinic I worked at out of college had doctors that went to medical schools I’ve never heard of, but since it’s such a specialized field, some are clearing 500K or more a year on top of a car per diem.
Not sure what she is interested in, but you can tell her that OBGYns that specialize in reproductive endocrinology have a real work life balance and make a shit load of money. You will be in school for a long time, but damn you get paid.
To be honest the only folks I know who do internships and are worth weight is the engineering students. What other programs in a traditional university do internships? I know one person who did one when she was in Criminal Justice and for that career field its not needed.
Outside of academia, the majority of employers don’t give a damn about what’s on your transcript. They never ask for it. All they care about is experience, your personality, and whether if you’re black or white (petty shot at white folks). Sometimes knowledge base doesn’t matter depending on the position (and skin color).
My little cousin went to Wake after she graduated UNC Chapel Hill. She interned at Truist in Charlotte and they hired her and set her to Wake for grad school. That’s ideal, but not common for most college kids. However, she said she didn’t like her experience there because of the snobby attitudes. And I was like “
what did you expect?”Now of days, falling into debt for bullshit degrees, uncertainty, and the sake of going to school is a waste of time and money. And I like how you said:
“Anyone that knows their career path will require going to graduate school should take the cheapest route for undergrad and go to the school of your choice or that you can get into.”
You’re right. If you know that your career path requires graduate school, then the cheapest route if you don’t have a scholarship is the best.
Thanks for that nugget. Sometimes how a person say a particular thing can bring more clarity.
Drexel has a program that is worth emulating. The semesters are shorter and then organize your paid internship.
Most black parents don’t send their children to schools with an IB program or similar. Most black schools don’t have AP classes. The parents have to know for the children to know. The children are walking around blind because the parents are blind.
No black parent should send their child to a private institution for an “education”. But you see these private institutions preying on black children and the parents stand by and let them be consumed. Because the parents don’t know. And that’s the business model.
Many schools have focus in particular programs, so their career fairs and internships that’s offered will reflect that.
However, if the school doesn’t focus on the program they’re in, then it’s more of the student’s responsibility to search out for internships and work with their major program faculty.
Most internships doesn’t fall into laps, and students should be required to put more effort into seeking opportunities related to their degree instead of expecting the university to provide it.
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Absolutely, and that the biggest issue I see today. There are too many parents that doesn’t know, and their kids doesn’t know any better.
The business model has proven to work timelessly. If people really knew that truth, these bigger schools would have lower applications rates, which they will have to increase their acceptance rate to offset the enrollment loss.
Yeah I didn’t go to undergrad at George Washington, just grad., but a lot of their undergrad degree programs require an internship for graduation. The few kids I knew that went there for undergrad had to do an internship (business administration, public health, and education). All of their graduate programs require it. I do think there is some work around like doing a practicum, but that is one of their requirements for most undergrad and grad students
This entire thing is an informercial.
I did paid internships my first 3 years as a Comp Sci major and many of my classmates did too. INROADS is a good resource for getting STEM and Business majors internship experience at major corporations.. my first 2 were with General Electric
I know a chick right now who has her daughter at Dilliard. My friend dropped out of college herself and started having a bunch of kids. I'm like your kid could attend a school right in Houston but noooo you shipped your kid off to Dilliard. Just a huge waste of money. The kicker is she is like 10 minutes from U of H and TSU.
The overwhelming majority of my students are out of state.
They get fined every year for accepting more out of state students than allowed, but they already calculate the fine in their estimate profit from out of state student enrollment. Actually most public schools do that.
Their alumni don’t make no money
It sounds like there should be a free trade agreement between states.
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You right about INROADS...I fogot about them...We did some work with them with our mentees with the 100 Black Men....Very good resource..
@4 Dimensional
HBCUs need to do more of this...No matter what you may think of working for the federal government, they are a great way to get a job in college and after college...Good benefits and if you stay long enough, awesome pension plan...
It's also good leverage if you decide to go into the private sector as well.....
I donate to NSU every year, and I went to a PWI. Selfishly, the donation is for tax purposes.
Atleast you honest, but thanks
A lot of people don't donate because they busy paying loans back. I went to 2 white schools with no loans and I've never given a penny. Almost donated 50 bucks to my school once but came to my senses and clicked the x on the browser.
Bowie State has been on the move. Hearing great things about them. I think Kevin Durant dropped a bag over there.
Now the intern president says they are 20 million in debt.
https://www.wral.com/story/q-a-sain...espite-accreditation-financial-woes/21312561/
https://www.wral.com/story/q-a-sain...espite-accreditation-financial-woes/21312561/
Damn
What be wild is the folks leading these schools have all this education and be screaming Divine 9 but be fucking shit up! Saw an elementary school in Alabama the other day the Principal was like I'm Doctor so and so, the teachers was like I have my masters, I have my PhD, etc. Looked that school up and its a failing ass campus. SMH
STEM program internships are very valuable, as well as business, and sports management. My internship while i was a chem major helped me land 1st gig out of school
Too bad none of those doctorates or master degrees are in economics, mathematics, or finance.
I learned this in graduate school. Every PhD and masters degree is not built the same.
Facts.
Definitely, not built the same. And you can tell the difference too. I took one of the most rigorous pathways for a masters and PhD.
For my masters, I have to do a thesis and a cumulative exam for all the math class I took in order for me to graduate.
For my PhD, I was required to have at least two papers published to graduate. I published three.
That pathway took 6.5 years. The masters degree was much more challenging.
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