Is Camrom a carribean? I'm hearing he is.
CAMRON says he prefers to use the term Black American over African American because "Africans don't even f**k with us."
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You're having a WHOLE different conversation from what that silly African and I are having breh..Okay so going by this logic...black americans shouldn't identify as african americans because africans dont "fuck" with us... okay if that the case the other americans have names such as ******, monkeys, sambos etc... shouldn't we refuse to identify with a culture and people (fellow americans) that do that??
I'll wait for the answer
Smdh
how dumb can u be to ask this dumb question ?
think about this yall , this numbskull asked'
how dumb can u be ?
u literally answer ur own question
and I find it funny u pick random words uve never heard in ur life as ur "proof" or justification for ur dumb xenophobic fukkery to paint a continent of 2billion black ppls who all dont speak the same language or have the same culture .. u post u dumb numbskull fba babble and thought u ate
Have you ever read The American Dilemma by Gunnar Myrdal?
Why and where do you see xenophobia? Xenophobia is the manifestation and outwardly expression of being economically strangled. When I see a behavior I ask myself is this a primary behavior or is it a secondary behavior?
A thread like this is refreshing. It’s an opportunity to learn something. Can you imagine a thread like this if white people were actually involved? It would be a riot. The BGOL Massacres would be the revisionist history.
Bosses pitting slaves against each other for their amusement. What did Frederic Douglass say about masters and alcohol during the holiday season?
Smh so you agree with my overall point. Remember I never said you couldn't or shouldn't recognize where your people come from. What I said was you ( Black people) should identify with the current culture more especially considering we can't pinpoint the exact location. Having a general idea when it comes to culture doesn't work in this instance. It could work in a place like the US. Overall it's the same. However, the same is not true for West Africa. A Nigerian isn't going to say he is Ghanaian. The culture is different in those two countries which has many more. You can appreciate their culture, but claiming it as your own is a stretch. Now if you could trace your family to another direct descendent I would feel differently.The bottom line is that african while generalized and imperfect is an indicator of place. Immigrants if nothing else know they come from another place and if they know the specifics thats even better but culturally the children of those immigrants are american thru and thru...someone whos great grand father came from ireland is an irish american even tho culturally hes as far removed from ireland as you are. And the irish natives call him american (probably derisively) and if nothing else he knows he comes from someplace in europe.
And theres nothing confusing about the usage of the word black. Its is a skin color designation that has nothing in terms of culture, language history etc..you know the things that make a people a people. And that was done on purpose. It's a basic component of how to control a person or people. Any institution that's designed to control people en masse whether it's the military, prison, or slavery hell to a lesser extent fraternities and even gangs (all those nick names sound cute but really its their identity in the organizations thats more real to them than their birth name) the FIRST thing they have to do is strip a persons/peoples identity and individualism away from them and replace it with what YOU want them to identify as. It makes them easier to control. It's the only reason why African Americans aren't broken down into pockets of individual African cultures.
I dont cling to africa because I was told we was all kings and queens...I told you I was told the opposite about africa...thats its a backwards cesspool of disease and famines. So my willingness to acknowledge in my identity that my lineage and heritage goes back there isn't built on some fantasy its acknowledging a reality.
Okay so going by this logic...black americans shouldn't identify as african americans because africans dont "fuck" with us... okay if that the case the other americans have names such as ******, monkeys, sambos etc... shouldn't we refuse to identify with a culture and people (fellow americans) that do that??
I'll wait for the answer
The term Black is confusing to some because it is used and accepted differently. Black can be considered someone from the US of African descendent or race/ethnicity African descendant. A Nigerian can identify as Black, but they are not speaking to being US born or culture; only of African decent. Someone else would say he isn't Black because culturally/ethnicity he is Nigerian. A White person would look at both and say you are both Black to me using the simplest and worst method of race which for them is visual characteristics. People here don't consider Drake as Black and say he's Jewish. Black people called Tiger Woods Black and he didn't identify himself as that. Our greater discussion proves that it is confusing as we can't even agree on what to call ourselves. You somehow went back to trying to simplify the term to race which is weird given you don't believe in the term.
I don't care about why you cling to Africa. I'm mostly joking, but their is some truth in the joke. It may not apply to you, but alot of people have been influenced in that manner. I'm sure Nas influenced alot of his fans in the 90s as well as other Black media/entertainment well before that.
End of the day and for the 100th time, you can believe what you want. I will do the same. Both school of thoughts can coexist. We are branches on the same tree. It's common in most groups. At this point, I'm only responding because you've been overall cordial. I think we've both said our peace on this.
@geechiedan and @mangobob79 having a whole conversation with themselves trying to convince us we are African. No group of people has been gaslighted more than us.You're having a WHOLE different conversation from what that silly African and I are having breh..
Smdh
I'm not sure why you chimed in since you dont have problem with either terms but all I'm saying is for the people who REJECT african American as an identity...with the exception of a specific country...their stated reasons really apply to EVERYONE in america.
As I said all descendants of immigrants in this country are culturally american...they dont speak the language, they arent familiar with the customs and have no desire to become accustomed. Theyve never been to the old country etc etc. The only way they even know their italian or pakistani or whatever is because someone in their family told them that and they bear an overall resemblance to those people in that place.
But all those factors that say African is not correct..they apply to the descendants of all immigrants too. So that makes that point moot.
Now the difference between black and African is Africa is an actual place on the map and black is not. If one can give wiggle room for black by saying its imperfect and confusing because of how people perceive the term then one can give that same excuse to the generalized term africa. And I explained why africa is used..it speaks to the loss of specific identity like nigerian or ghananian but unlike a color term it does point to the general place in the world these people came from.
And I don't understand why sub-Saharan Africans accept being called black in their own countries and lands.
peep this vid:
Godfrey is not Black. Neither is Trevor Noah..he's half Swiss-German and half south African specifically Xhosa...The Xhosa are a South African cultural group who emphasize traditional practices and customs inherited from their forefathers. Each person within the Xhosa culture has their place which is recognized by the entire community. Starting from birth, a Xhosa person goes through graduation stages which recognize their growth and assign them a recognized place in the community. Each stage is marked by a specific ritual aimed at introducing the individual to their counterparts and also to their ancestors.
And Trevor wants to boil all that down to the term black???
Why Africans claim that is mystifying to me considering they KNOW who they are and are in their own land. Using the term black Africans is as dumb as saying yellow Asian.
I think Cam was correct and I agree with him. As far as the "Africans dont fuck with us" part, I wont say its 100%, but it is true in most cases.
You wont be able to see it if you live in a small town with little to no African immigrants, but for those that live in areas where the Africans are en masse, such as myself, the divisions are very visible.
Ex: The Nigerians even have their own church in Newark, as well as the Haitians in other parts of NJ. if we were all one family, then where is the "Black Diaspora Church"?.....exactly my sentiment.
With that being said, the descendants of U.S. chattel slavery are a distinct group, no different than the Jamaicans of Jamaica or Afro-Brazilians of Brazil. It's not a crime for us to delineate and push for recognition of our own ethnic group. You dealing with a group of people that been in North America for 500 years, and some of them even have genetic ties to Native Americans. In addition, some of the slaves came from the Phillipines, Madagascar, East India, etc. None the less all of these ancestors amalgamated under the banner and identity of being "Black", so yes "Black American" is more fitting than "African American".
You wont be able to see it if you live in a small town with little to no African immigrants, but for those that live in areas where the Africans are en masse, such as myself, the divisions are very visible.
Ex: The Nigerians even have their own church in Newark, as well as the Haitians in other parts of NJ. if we were all one family, then where is the "Black Diaspora Church"?.....exactly my sentiment.
With that being said, the descendants of U.S. chattel slavery are a distinct group, no different than the Jamaicans of Jamaica or Afro-Brazilians of Brazil. It's not a crime for us to delineate and push for recognition of our own ethnic group. You dealing with a group of people that been in North America for 500 years, and some of them even have genetic ties to Native Americans. In addition, some of the slaves came from the Phillipines, Madagascar, East India, etc. None the less all of these ancestors amalgamated under the banner and identity of being "Black", so yes "Black American" is more fitting than "African American".
Ok I forgot that you're a little slow so I'll explain it again in plain English.
Your whole shtick here is that it's all love from Africans, and I showed you proof that it is not.
These country's ALL have a negative word for Black Americans. Akata, jarreer, Abeed, etc.
Most are told to stay away from us when they get off of the boat. To not associate with us. That we are a lazy and violent people.
My question to you remains, if it's all good, then why is there decades of hostility towards us breh?
Africans dont even wanna be African lol.
They flee in droves on the chance that arrives.
I never been, but thats where she was from. purple black and sexy af
Im glad black Americans finally delineating and hoarding all benefits and resources only to them. Let these other groups fight for their own benefits instead of leeching since they work so hard.
Africans only see Black Americans as a tool to use to advance themselves and then call Black Americans names.
Africans only see Black Americans as a tool to use to advance themselves and then call Black Americans names.
Told by who?
What are you, that faggits boifriend?
Why you keep defending her and interjecing?
you spell check is fucked up dude
its a fuckin message board you wanna have a private convo slide in his DMs like the tranny you are.but you still didnt answer the question...who told them that shit??
"you spell check is fucked up..."you spell check is fucked up dude
but you still didnt answer the question...who told them that shit??
Anyways, I'm speaking in generalities as this is a message board.
In general, there are a plethora of stories of africans telling thier people to not fuck with us for the reasons I stated above.
at least everything in that sentence is spelled correctly
considering that Africans talk shit about each other what difference does it make really?? If there was real unity on that continent it wouldn't look like does today. Damn near every single country on that continent thats partnered with countries in the west or east are JUNIOR partners in their own deal...on their own land...for their own natural resources and minerals and you're concerned they don't think highly of African Americans??
No was just answering your question.at least everything in that sentence is spelled correctly
considering that Africans talk shit about each other what difference does it make really?? If there was real unity on that continent it wouldn't look like does today. Damn near every single country on that continent thats partnered with countries in the west or east are JUNIOR partners in their own deal...on their own land...for their own natural resources and minerals and you're concerned they don't think highly of African Americans??
But I do look at it as why adapt that tribalism over here by identifying with that. Which is why I reinforce black instead of African.
This clown went from "PrOvE AfiCAnS be TaLKinG sMacK" toat least everything in that sentence is spelled correctly
considering that Africans talk shit about each other what difference does it make really?? If there was real unity on that continent it wouldn't look like does today. Damn near every single country on that continent thats partnered with countries in the west or east are JUNIOR partners in their own deal...on their own land...for their own natural resources and minerals and you're concerned they don't think highly of African Americans??
"Africans talk shit about each other, what difference does it make" lol
Didn't read thread but...
If yall rocking with that dumb shit in the title I'm tired of y'all BGOL niggas/brethren lol... just book a ticket to South Africa (Capetown or JoBurg) Tanzania, Zanzibar. Ghana (Kumasi or Accra), Namibia, or maybe Congo DR, or take your black ass to Nairobi, Kenya among many others... those are only the places I can speak to personally.
Stop listening to these internet personalities and niggas that never went for themselves. I actually love Cam & Mase show, shit is hilarious lmao! But realistically, a lot of y'all don't know the kind of love you'll get in the motherland. Real talk. I ain't even finna go back and forth with y'all about it tbh. I don't give af if you believe me or not. Just go see for yourselves.
If yall rocking with that dumb shit in the title I'm tired of y'all BGOL niggas/brethren lol... just book a ticket to South Africa (Capetown or JoBurg) Tanzania, Zanzibar. Ghana (Kumasi or Accra), Namibia, or maybe Congo DR, or take your black ass to Nairobi, Kenya among many others... those are only the places I can speak to personally.
Stop listening to these internet personalities and niggas that never went for themselves. I actually love Cam & Mase show, shit is hilarious lmao! But realistically, a lot of y'all don't know the kind of love you'll get in the motherland. Real talk. I ain't even finna go back and forth with y'all about it tbh. I don't give af if you believe me or not. Just go see for yourselves.
what difference does it make? youre using that as a reason to deny the reality that you derive from that region in a real way.This clown went from "PrOvE AfiCAnS be TaLKinG sMacK" to
"Africans talk shit about each other, what difference does it make" lol
no matter how you FEEL west africa is still in your background babyboy.
theres tribalism here...every immigrant group has fucked up shit to about black people and we're all supposed to come together under the banner of AMERICAN. This is my point...if thats a criteria for why one identifies in the way they do then blacks shouldn't identify as american. Thats just following the logic of it.
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Boom!!!!
so much so that we defend and stand on a skin color designation cacs called us during slavery....think about that one.
what difference does it make? youre using that as a reason to deny the reality that you derive from that region in a real way.
no matter how you FEEL west africa is still in your background babyboy.
theres tribalism here...every immigrant group has fucked up shit to about black people and we're all supposed to come together under the banner of AMERICAN. This is my point...if thats a criteria for why one identifies in the way they do then blacks shouldn't identify as american. Thats just following the logic of it.
We identify as black American. From Smokey Robinson to Wesley snipes to Adam Clayton Powell to snoop dogg. What the immigrants do is they business. Please keep the tribalism and The colorism over there.
And there are groups such as “nation “ of Islam noi that have managed to form a nation of different tribes as one within that nation.
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This is my last reply and I'm done. We've both expressed our thoughts on the topic and we aren't really adding anything of value.
The theard was about Cam's comments and while I didn't totally agree with his reasons/thoughts which some are saying were hyped here. I agree with identifying as Black culturally as opposed to your view point. Being respectful of someone's decision/thoughts doesn't mean I agree with it. In this instance I understand the point of view. I've stated multiple times I have a preference, but it's not that deep. I'm indifferent in that I don't care what you choose to call yourself. I'm not going to force my beliefs on to others or even high-level claim it as correct. All I'm interested in doing is explaining my point of view. I never have and likely will never refer to myself as African American. It's not out of disrespect to Africa and i acknowledge being a descendant. However, I value or take pride with the culture we've built here just like other African descendents globally.
In my opinion it's different for other African descendents, because they are the majority so their experience is slightly different than ours. They didn't need to build their esteem by directly identifying with Africa in the same manner we have in the US. For instance, regardless of the issues in Haiti, they still take great pride in being Haitian. We dont generally hold the US in the same regard, but to be fair most people here general aren't exactly patriots. People usually take pride in their respective state/city that the US as a whole.
Yes, there are people who generally don't practice in all aspects of their homelands culture. However, you are more so proving my point with that statement. If you are saying they identify as a US citizen, then exactly what are you debating? End of the day that is what I've been saying except with a focus on our achievements/experience. I don't even agree with that stance sense there are plenty of people who take part in their culture. For example, the Africans I know brought their dishes to work daily, on average they really into soccer, still listened to music from their artists, spoke the language, seriously practiced the religion etc.. in some cases, their kids were still in their homeland or the kids went back and forth between the US and their homeland, so they know the culture. It was more or less the same with people who I know from other places like India, Greece, Argentina, Brazil, China, Haiti, Barbados, the Philippines and Mexico off the top of my head. While my experience may not be universally true and I agree it doesn't always happen, we are not going to act as though this is a minority. Some of these groups have their own towns, generally live in certain areas and still form communities. Allegedly, part of the reason for Jeezy getting a divorce was related to cultural differences with his ex. So, even in situations where someone may not follow every tradition, they'll still uphold some core values which is clearly related to culture.
Is Jewish a place? So why would you make that the base of your argument the location or nationality of origin? Its an exception to what you are calling the rule. By the way another group that passes on the culture regularly that i personally know and we all see. No one uses the term yellow to identify Asians except maybe derogatory, so it's not the same. Aren't European descendents called White in the US similar to African descendents being called Black?
Black wasn’t a term during slavery. In fact it was written you were considered white if you owned land until “black” started buying land. They changed the rule again.
again my argument and contention isnt to you since youre ok with both.. my points are people who refuse to acknowledge their african roots entirely.
the carribean examples are NQR because haitians dont promote their color in their identity either..you dont say black haitians you generally dont even think of them like that. No other country's people hypenates the way americans do. Its important that the immigrants that come to this country remember where they come from and they wear it openly.
And know this...this issue did NOT start with us...
There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all ... The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic ... There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.
- 1915, President Theodore Roosevelt in speaking to the largely Irish Catholic Knights of Columbus at Carnegie Hall on Columbus Day
note in 1915 there were no black americans...you how we and they identified ourselves back then? negroes/niggas Guess what we mostly identify ourselves as today....give you a hint..its not negro...
my point is that culturally they identify as American but they still carry their place of origin in their identity. What you seem to be saying is because of the lack of specifics and knowledge of the countries in west africa. You'd rather use your skin color designation as a cultural identifier but color doesn't have a culture...thats the point of it.
And since none of us know the specifics of west africa then our history STARTS here (tho we clearly did not pop into existence in the new world.). Isn't that what a number of people have said and even YOU indicate?
The creation of race as a concept combined with the Atlantic slave trade really kinda created a whole new group of people.
You can say that other than the colonists, Blacks are the oldest group to live in the country BUT Blacks are the only group that can't specifically trace back our lineage to the old countries so Blacks are truly the only REAL Americans. Because by the 3rd gen of enslaved people there was already the loss of any connection to those African countries and peoples we derived from. You couple that with a strong influence from other cultures and peoples you have a new type of group...its not surprising hip hop came from us because we ARE what hip hop is...this amalgam of all kinds of influences that coalesced into a new type of thing.
Is it really surprising that many of the staple American musics are all Black created... whether its Jazz, Blues or Rock and Roll or Hip Hop etc And those genres are TRUE American inventions...created by TRUE Americans within a little over 100 years or so.
If africa is not right because we've never been there or no nothing about those countries...then black isnt right because its not a place nor has language or culture....riiiight??
So the only logical conclusion is just plain old unhyphenated American. Now try to sell that to black people and see what the reaction will be??
Yes jewish is a place its called israel and its a jewish state created in the 1940s specifically created to root them to a place on the map. its in their charter..theyre fighting over it right now.
My yellow example was to illustrate what a color identifier used as culture looks like when its outside of the black/white dynamic.. and it looks sad. You feel sorry for that "yellow" person. And black in Spanish and Portuguese is negro and guess how that was used? It wasnt a compliment.
As far as european/white is concerned..when you CREATE a social construct and give yourself the higher socio-political value in it..its not the same issue. The enslaved Africans didnt CHOOSE to be black. European descendants KNOW where they come from and who they are and STILL choose to be white...ever ask one why??? Try it and see what answer you get.
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the only shtick here is the narrative yall r trying to force as if we dont live in the same world as u !
once again im not convincing anyone to be African ,ive said it a million times &yall still keep try to claim the opposite that tells u yall dont care for the truth or even listen bcos ure too caught up in ur narrative becos u desperately need believe it to maintain ur position ,, sorta like maggots who gets all the proof of drumpf being a fuck up, lying, failure of a president & they will come back to the same talking points !
u dumb narrative uve been clingin on to isnt working anymore, the cover is blown ! find a new taking point !
u speak as if black immigrants weren't attacked & mocked for being immigrants!
nobody told anyone to stay away from u !
Akata the word uve been harping on has nothing to do with u ! &the only time uve probably heard it is in a movie written by a An African American and somehow that equates to 2 billion ppl ! ?
yall just like to push that bs narrative to justify ur xenophobia, there approx 3 million immigrants which ones did u speak to or for ?
"decades of hostility"? from ppl like u who r hellbent on pushing their narrative! many back immigrants have stories of being bullied mock & attacked for being black immigrant ! did the form hategroups spewing xenophobic garbage a s a result ?
bcos they desperately need to believe the lie so they can try to convince themselves to believe it
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