CAMRON says he prefers to use the term Black American over African American because "Africans don't even f**k with us."

[footloose]

this is what FBA ADOS #delineation is all about ! a desire to feel they're superior to other black ppl but their claims r their proximity to whiteness & white America

This is chess not checkers. Nicca

But I’m just here to teach
And I made no claim to being superior. Maybe you have an inferiority complex.
You just said you’re proud of where you’re from. We can’t be proud of what we invented and contributed to society. Damn
Rastafarian starts in Harlem ny

 

[mangobob79]

This is chess not checkers. Nicca

But I’m just here to teach
And I made no claim to being superior. Maybe you have an inferiority complex.
You just said you’re proud of where you’re from. We can’t be proud of what we invented and contributed to society. Damn
Rastafarian starts in Harlem ny

also
ive never said said you cant be proud of where you’re from.neither did I say you can’t be proud of what u invented and contributed to society
that ur spin to push ur angle--

anyway now

why would I have an inferiority complex to anyone ? my peoples are Africans , they founded the crux of the brain & gems that formed empires & wrote the book on the foundations of the known & unknown universe & they did it without a lick of western influence or western tools!!!




a jamaican Howell lived in america for a period doesnt mean Rastafari Culture started in America!
what is the Rastafari culture in American culture that started it & where does it exist in America ?

Rastafari took root in Jamaica following the coronation of Ethiopian Emperor Haile Selassie I in 1930

where are the "founders" & the remnants or artifacts of their foundations in American culture ?

 

[footloose]

why would I have an inferiority complex to anyone ? my peoples are Africans , they founded the crux of the brain & gems that formed empires & wrote the book on the foundations of the known & unknown universe & they did it without a lick of western influence or western tools!!!

a jamaican Howell lived in america for a period doesnt mean Rastafari Culture started in America!
what is the Rastafari culture in American culture that started it & where does it exist in America ?

Rastafarianism took root in Jamaica following the coronation of Ethiopian Emperor Haile Selassie I in 1930

where are the "founders" & the remnants or artifacts of their foundations in American culture ?

Good. So you know something about Rastafarian I been waiting for someone to debate on it. How much do you know

 

[guyver]

well you actually accept african american or black so this aspect of the debate really doesnt apply to you. My points are for the people who make definitive statements like "African American is an insult I don't subscribe to that title" that's who I'm addressing. And those people have receded in the thread because all they have is trans community speak... things rooted in feelings and beliefs and what other africans think about them.

You talk as of West Africa is some fabled land like Wakanda or Zamunda. People from west africa where brought here therefore the average black americans story begins there not here...Thats not a story of inspiration its a FACT. If you dont tell your kids they came from some place else then your story STARTS with.....well we were slaves here..." Who wants to tell that story?? Slavery, peonage and indentured servitude is worldwide..hell most the irish came here as slaves from a fucked up society in Ireland... what do you they they tell their kids? The British used Australia as a penal colony so you have a whole continent of whites who are descendants from thieves and whores literally...what do you think they tell their kids?

But thats besides the point...the point is The US is a country of immigrants...MOST of its citizens came here from someplace else. Thats just plain common sense and history even if its generalized. And yes some black people have presented black americans as descendants of queens and kings and thats just as erroneous as downplaying blacks treatment in american society despite our achievements. Both are misleading to future generations. And Black peoples achievements and contributions to american society are self evident.


I never said you or anyone was tricked I said denying that west africa is the place black americans originated from is being myopic...short sighted.


Race IS made up... its not an idea.. its a researchable quantifiable fact just like 2+2=4 thats not my idea thats a fact. If anything is an idea its race. And its so ingrained and programmed in everyone that saying its a made up thing gets met with disbelief.

And I cling to africa because it is in fact our place of origin...not in the WE ALL come from africa but in the recent ancestors context. And we know generally that we come from west africa and its not that long ago.

Again this isnt an either/or proposition.






To your own point if names change and it doesnt matter then whats the problem with african american??


If the bold is a requirement for claiming heritage then we've only been Americans for the last 40 years or so. Considering the treatment of blacks in america up to the 1970s.

We are going around in circles, so I'm going to do my best to be short and wrap this up.

There is no problem with African American. I prefer Black. Is there a reason we are different from other African descendents? Do you care about the African descendants that call themselves Haitian? I thought it was made clear, but I'm mostly relating the world more in terms of nationality; not race. Yes, Black gets used multiple confusing ways.

I'm never going to debate race being real or made up. Is it the most accurate tool? No, it is not especially for our discussion and hasn't been apart of my argument.

What does the historical treatment of Blacks have to do with Africans not thinking we share their nationality? So, you want to erase our history because it doesn't favor us. Remind me of the other groups who do that. I know the Jewish people don't ever let you forget. Your history is your history good or bad. We are not 40 years removed from Africa.

You are right. You didn't use the word tricked. You said programmed or indoctrinated which most would take as believing in a falsehood in terms of our discussion or... tricked. Maybe you were speaking in general, but I never denied our origins. What I've continued to say is focus on the culture we've built in the US.The same way as other African descendents.

I've never said, West Africa was Wakanda. You've already spoken to part of what I mean and I never got that deep with it. West Africa has multiple countries. Your point doesn't change just because you put West infront of it. Ancestry and culture is not the same. You keep trying to relate this to a short period of time. It's not about the time as you mentioned other immigrants who have come to the US. Remind me. What is the difference between someone how immigrated from Russia and us? That is all I've been saying.to claim it as a culture it takes more than DNA.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert, but slavery for us was considered vastly different when compared to others. I don't think i heard of those groups identities being taken and servants, prisoners and thieves likely don't compare either. With anything there are exceptions but most of those people probably still were able to maintain their identity and history. The fact they are aware of their nationality says enough.

I could argue that you cling to Africa because you been programmed from a young age to do so. If that works for you and yours, I respect it. It's a minor difference in opinion.

 

[4 Dimensional]

It seems the 3 biggest factors in rejecting any connection west africa is.

1. slavery was a loooong time ago and too many generations removed to get back to west africa..


when was the last slave ship to america
July 9, 1860

The schooner Clotilda (often misspelled Clotilde) was the last known U.S. slave ship to bring captives from Africa to the United States, arriving at Mobile Bay, in autumn 1859 or on July 9, 1860, with 110 African men, women, and children.

The Clotilda, the last known American slave ship, made its illegal voyage 52 years after the international slave trade was outlawed.

mind you the civil war started in 1861 and that ship was the last recorded...so for half a century they were essentially smuggling in captives so how many slave ships were coming here every year up to that point??

If youre in your 50s then your parents were likely born in the 1930s, 40s....youre grand parents were born around early 1900s....your great grandparents were likely born late 1800s (1870/80) youre great great parents where likely born in the 1840s/50s..youre talking about west africans STILL coming off the boats. youre not THAT far removed to be acting like its thousands of years ago.

2. Africans dont accept us. If thats a criteria then as I said earlier going by how blacks have been historically treated and regarded in this country then we're not americans either. Now if you say you dont care that white america has beaten you, lynched you, went out of their way to exclude and discrimnate against you..promoted a negative perception about you they broadcast worldwide...(funny how foreigners come here already knowing how to hate on black americans) if you can ignore all that and still claim this country and culture as yours then you can ignore anything said by africans as well.

3. culturally different - no doubt but that doesnt change the lineage one bit. again using my buddy as an example

he's an orphan born in america...never knew his parents..raised by whites lived in Utah all his life.

You and him talk and you bring up that he's asian...he says very firmly "I'm NOT asian..I'm YELLOW.

you look at him and say..dude I'm pretty sure you're Asian... He yells back "I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO ASIA! DONT NO ANYTHNG ABOUT ASIA! I DONT SPEAK NO ASIAN LANGUAGE! FUCK ASIA! I'M A YELLOW-AMERICA! I'D RATHER FILL IN YELLOW THAN ASIAN AMERICAN. CUZ ASIANS DONT FUCK WITH US!*

THATS WHAT I BELIEVE! THATS HOW I FEEL AND THATS WHAT I IDENTIFY AS!

no one would say he's NOT asian but just a yellow american. Altho he checks all boxes of excuses as to why one would reject their heritage and place of origin.



not by choice.

For the love of god, man.

There is no need to continue to include me in your conversation.

I’ve moved on from the this.

 

[yasky777]

I say American African.
I’ve traced my roots back to Nigeria and Egypt (Ramsey’s descendant). I look forward to reconnecting with them.

 

[RUDY RAYYY MO]

 

[RUDY RAYYY MO]

also
ive never said said you cant be proud of where you’re from.neither did I say you can’t be proud of what u invented and contributed to society
that ur spin to push ur angle--

anyway now

why would I have an inferiority complex to anyone ? my peoples are Africans , they founded the crux of the brain & gems that formed empires & wrote the book on the foundations of the known & unknown universe & they did it without a lick of western influence or western tools!!!




a jamaican Howell lived in america for a period doesnt mean Rastafari Culture started in America!
what is the Rastafari culture in American culture that started it & where does it exist in America ?

Rastafari took root in Jamaica following the coronation of Ethiopian Emperor Haile Selassie I in 1930

where are the "founders" & the remnants or artifacts of their foundations in American culture ?

 

[Megatron X]

They telling the people who they’re imitating that they don’t have culture. lol!

I truly feel these other non FBA/Ados people are shook that black Americans are waking up and they can’t eat off the plate no more. That’s what it is. They’re to so use to eating off Black Americans plate and getting a free ride.

 

[footloose]

also
ive never said said you cant be proud of where you’re from.neither did I say you can’t be proud of what u invented and contributed to society
that ur spin to push ur angle--

anyway now

why would I have an inferiority complex to anyone ? my peoples are Africans , they founded the crux of the brain & gems that formed empires & wrote the book on the foundations of the known & unknown universe & they did it without a lick of western influence or western tools!!!




a jamaican Howell lived in america for a period doesnt mean Rastafari Culture started in America!
what is the Rastafari culture in American culture that started it & where does it exist in America ?

Rastafari took root in Jamaica following the coronation of Ethiopian Emperor Haile Selassie I in 1930

where are the "founders" & the remnants or artifacts of their foundations in American culture ?

Some would say that was us that did that too. The accomplishments left when we did.

 

[305]

You’re describing narratives. If your children are up in the white man’s school being taught by his weak ass woman for 7 hours a day, how are you going to combat the indoctrination? You can’t escape to church because you’re bombarded with the same message but this time in black faces.

There’s a popular pastor in Philadelphia at Enon Baptis Church. He’s a good preacher but my god is he dumb. He’s pro police and an american flag waver. His wife is from Barbados.

The problem I learned in Tobago quickly was that everything led back to white people. The Seventh Day Adventist, the Moravians, the CAC This always led back to the CAC That. Whiteness was the basis for every institution on the island. And as a person who knew early that I was allergic to whiteness, it was infuriating. But it’s the same thing here. Most of the prestigious institutions may toss a negro bone here and there but at its core these are black people doing their best white person impression. And then you study Africa and you see the origin of white behavior. They’re just emulating us. Sure I like the idea of King Tut but I don’t like King Tut. The kid is weakling and the product of probably incest. Is that who we aspire to be? Some punk that gets clapped up by his uncle?

The is clearly going to be an August Wilson weekend. Let’s say I’m leftover. I’m not a microwave guy I’m a toss it I the Pyrex dish guy. What’s a good hearty meal for a Wednesday night?

pass me a red solo with a bake and shark. One of the best chicks I ever fucked with was from Pidgeon Point Tobago.

 

[footloose]

also
ive never said said you cant be proud of where you’re from.neither did I say you can’t be proud of what u invented and contributed to society
that ur spin to push ur angle--

anyway now

why would I have an inferiority complex to anyone ? my peoples are Africans , they founded the crux of the brain & gems that formed empires & wrote the book on the foundations of the known & unknown universe & they did it without a lick of western influence or western tools!!!




a jamaican Howell lived in america for a period doesnt mean Rastafari Culture started in America!
what is the Rastafari culture in American culture that started it & where does it exist in America ?

Rastafari took root in Jamaica following the coronation of Ethiopian Emperor Haile Selassie I in 1930

where are the "founders" & the remnants or artifacts of their foundations in American culture ?

Rastafarian predates 1930 here. As early as 1917.
Rasta is the same ideology of the black Hebrew Israelite. They were called rastafarites.
Black Hebrew Israelites go back to the 1800s. They both claim that black American and west Indians are the 12 tribes chosen people of the Bible. This ideology was brought to Jamaica from Harlem ny.

 

[KingTaharqa]

 

[Soul On Ice]

This is chess not checkers. Nicca

But I’m just here to teach
And I made no claim to being superior. Maybe you have an inferiority complex.
You just said you’re proud of where you’re from. We can’t be proud of what we invented and contributed to society. Damn
Rastafarian starts in Harlem ny

That character is still too ashamed to even mention her homeland FYI.
Straight clown shit.

 

[footloose]

That character is still too ashamed to even mention her homeland FYI.
Straight clown shit.

That’s a her??

 

[Soul On Ice]

Thank you!
This tweet alone SHOULD stop the crying from these bitches but it won't lol.

Literally the DAY Black DOAS stated we're our own distinct ethnic group within the Black race, these clowns all lost their minds lol.

It was cool to claim any of the 56 African countries, The carribean, and South American countries. But when we did, we're wrong?!
FOH

 

[Soul On Ice]

That’s a her??

I believe so. She has female tendencies and emotions like a bitch. HAS to be a woman behind that screen name.

 

[xfactor]

They have a Luciferian culture which is why they want to disavow it publicly, because it has been usurped and globally adopted by caucasians.

 

[footloose]

I believe so. She has female tendencies and emotions like a bitch. HAS to be a woman behind that screen name.

Makes sense now

 

[xfactor]

I say American African.
I’ve traced my roots back to Nigeria and Egypt (Ramsey’s descendant). I look forward to reconnecting with them.

That would make you Nilotic which means you have a small chance of being American by lineage.

 

[mangobob79]

so u basically disproved ur claims



GO CRY ABOUT YVETTE WHO SAID "BLACK AMERICA HAS NO CULTURE" BUT. U RATHER MAKE UR DIATRIBE ABOUT AFRICANS BECOS THAT HELPS U JUSTIFY UR BS

 

[yasky777]

That would make you Nilotic which means you have a small chance of being American by lineage.

Interesting, the” American by lineage “through me off a little.
Give more detail if you have a sec.

 

[mangobob79]

Rastafarian predates 1930 here. As early as 1917.
Rasta is the same ideology of the black Hebrew Israelite. They were called rastafarites.
Black Hebrew Israelites go back to the 1800s. They both claim that black American and west Indians are the 12 tribes chosen people of the Bible. This ideology was brought to Jamaica from Harlem ny.

Rastarfari & black Hebrew Israelites might have similarities becos of the "judaism connection" just as much as they're connected to christianity" & one can even then say "islam" so u cant say they're the same ideology just cos they're "connected" thru judaism!
Rasta looks recognize the godhead figure in a Blackman out of Ethiopia descended from kingDavid ,(black Hebrew Israelite dont!) there are literally descendant of ancients jews in Ethiopia still today doubly strengthen Rasta ideology of divinity of the Emperor , blackhebrew Israelites dont believe that,they believe they are the jews exiled in the Bible stories
Rastafari the movement started AFTER coronation of the Emperor in 1930 becos he is the spark that started the movement ! the very name itself RAS is taken from the Emperor's title ,so u cant have a Rastafari movement without the RAS

 

[mangobob79]

Some would say that was us that did that too. The accomplishments left when we did.

well if u are a descendant of African then those would be ur people too! NO? but to think Africa stopped developing becos u left is the height of foolishness

 

[mangobob79]

Thank you!
This tweet alone SHOULD stop the crying from these bitches but it won't lol.

Literally the DAY Black DOAS stated we're our own distinct ethnic group within the Black race, these clowns all lost their minds lol.

It was cool to claim any of the 56 African countries, The carribean, and South American countries. But when we did, we're wrong?!
FOH

from one of the fba ados account that posted the most dehumazing xenophobic vile diatribe about Africans for the past 2 yrs on twitter and wouldn't stop crying about Africans every damn day on twitter? now wants to feign intellectual honesty ?
and u think folks r up in arms about u delineating? delusion galore !! !
they're literally begging you to delineate and stay out aAfrica business but yall wanna talk all this demonic bile shit About africans and when they respond to ur lies & xenophobic rightwing propaganda u wanna claim its becos ure "stating ur own ethnic group"

that's the lie u like to tell urself

"stating ur own ethnic group" does not require to u be spewing vile whitesupremacist xenophobic dehumanizing demonic bile about africans

its like when u catch white ppl in a lie they will try to twist it to say "oh u just hate whiteppl" !
fyi most of the ppl ur having those fights & disagreements with are other African Americans who embrace their African identity!! wonder why u aint putting ur energy fighting them?
but this account puts all his energy into spewing dehumanizing bile about Africa but wanna feign ignorance now !foh!
but u will ignore them to center ur diatribe on imaginary Africans becos once again that allows ur to push ur xenophobic bs

Literally the DAY Black DOAS stated we're our own distinct ethnic group within the Black race, these clowns all lost their minds lol"

Nobody here is against u delineating and renaming urself whatever the fuck u want ! u just have to keep pushing that lie to justify ur bs!

 

[mangobob79]

I believe so. She has female tendencies and emotions like a bitch. HAS to be a woman behind that screen name.

losers who wants to push manufactured rightwing replacement theory propaganda under the guise of "ethnic identification" advocacy but r too coward to do it directly so they cower under "ethnic advocay" & various rightwing replacement theory talking points !

 

[mangobob79]

That character is still too ashamed to even mention her homeland FYI.
Straight clown shit.

what's ur homeland ?

 

[mangobob79]

yall r mad that i won't allow u to lie on Africa/ns and create & push fake narratives to push ur agenda, if u want rename & delineate urselvess , I personally on this site said I would donate to the delineation committee & got no takers. so miss me with the bs !

all I said was ,if u want to delineate go ahead &do it, infact we encourage it ! leave Africans out of it !
they're not central or pivotal in ur delineation, go cry to the USGOVT and leave Africans out of it !

 

[Soul On Ice]

yall r mad that i won't allow u to lie on Africa/ns and create & push fake narratives to push ur agenda, if u want rename & delineate urselvess , I personally on this site said I would donate to the delineation committee & got no takers. so miss me with the bs !

all I said was ,if u want to delineate go ahead &do it, infact we encourage it ! leave Africans out of it !
they're not central or pivotal in ur delineation, go cry to the USGOVT and leave Africans out of it !

 

[mangobob79]

your fba ados people

 

[mangobob79]

AGAIN UR LEADER IN A SHORTER CLIP STRAIGHT TO THE POINT !
BUT I DONT SEE U ARGUING WITH YOUR MOVEMENT'S FOUNDER BUT U RATHER POST SOME IMAGIINARY AFRICANS WHO HAVE NO POWER OR CONTROL OVER UR LIFE! WELL WE KNOW WHY.. !!

 

[Soul On Ice]

@mangoslob, if Africans DON'T don't fuck with us, can you kindly explain why they have names such as Akata, Abeeds, Jareers etc?

Thanks, I'll take my answer off the air.

 

[footloose]

Rastarfari & black Hebrew Israelites might have similarities becos of the "judaism connection" just as much as they're connected to christianity" & one can even then say "islam" so u cant say they're the same ideology just cos they're "connected" thru judaism!
Rasta looks recognize the godhead figure in a Blackman out of Ethiopia descended from kingDavid ,(black Hebrew Israelite dont!) there are literally descendant of ancients jews in Ethiopia still today doubly strengthen Rasta ideology of divinity of the Emperor , blackhebrew Israelites dont believe that,they believe they are the jews exiled in the Bible stories
Rastafari the movement started AFTER coronation of the Emperor in 1930 becos he is the spark that started the movement ! the very name itself RAS is taken from the Emperor's title ,so u cant have a Rastafari movement without the RAS

I’m addressing 2 things.
1) the Video clearly says rastafarite was already here

2)how does a god head come out of Ethiopia when Ethiopians descend from ham. That’s not the chosen line. The chosen line is Shem. Which the Israelites come out of

Zondervan’s Compact Bible Dictionary: Ham / not the Negroes

Zondervan’s Compact Bible Dictionary: Ham – The youngest son of Noah, born probably about 96 years before the Flood; and one of eight persons to live through the Flood. He became…

faithinyhvh.wordpress.com

 

[footloose]

well if u are a descendant of African then those would be ur people too! NO? but to think Africa stopped developing becos u left is the height of foolishness

Depends. But back then. Probably not.

 

[geechiedan]

We are going around in circles, so I'm going to do my best to be short and wrap this up.

There is no problem with African American. I prefer Black. Is there a reason we are different from other African descendents? Do you care about the African descendants that call themselves Haitian? I thought it was made clear, but I'm mostly relating the world more in terms of nationality; not race. Yes, Black gets used multiple confusing ways.

I'm never going to debate race being real or made up. Is it the most accurate tool? No, it is not especially for our discussion and hasn't been apart of my argument.

What does the historical treatment of Blacks have to do with Africans not thinking we share their nationality? So, you want to erase our history because it doesn't favor us. Remind me of the other groups who do that. I know the Jewish people don't ever let you forget. Your history is your history good or bad. We are not 40 years removed from Africa.

You are right. You didn't use the word tricked. You said programmed or indoctrinated which most would take as believing in a falsehood in terms of our discussion or... tricked. Maybe you were speaking in general, but I never denied our origins. What I've continued to say is focus on the culture we've built in the US.The same way as other African descendents.

I've never said, West Africa was Wakanda. You've already spoken to part of what I mean and I never got that deep with it. West Africa has multiple countries. Your point doesn't change just because you put West infront of it. Ancestry and culture is not the same. You keep trying to relate this to a short period of time. It's not about the time as you mentioned other immigrants who have come to the US. Remind me. What is the difference between someone how immigrated from Russia and us? That is all I've been saying.to claim it as a culture it takes more than DNA.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert, but slavery for us was considered vastly different when compared to others. I don't think i heard of those groups identities being taken and servants, prisoners and thieves likely don't compare either. With anything there are exceptions but most of those people probably still were able to maintain their identity and history. The fact they are aware of their nationality says enough.

I could argue that you cling to Africa because you been programmed from a young age to do so. If that works for you and yours, I respect it. It's a minor difference in opinion.

The bottom line is that african while generalized and imperfect is an indicator of place. Immigrants if nothing else know they come from another place and if they know the specifics thats even better but culturally the children of those immigrants are american thru and thru...someone whos great grand father came from ireland is an irish american even tho culturally hes as far removed from ireland as you are. And the irish natives call him american (probably derisively) and if nothing else he knows he comes from someplace in europe.

And theres nothing confusing about the usage of the word black. Its is a skin color designation that has nothing in terms of culture, language history etc..you know the things that make a people a people. And that was done on purpose. It's a basic component of how to control a person or people. Any institution that's designed to control people en masse whether it's the military, prison, or slavery hell to a lesser extent fraternities and even gangs (all those nick names sound cute but really its their identity in the organizations thats more real to them than their birth name) the FIRST thing they have to do is strip a persons/peoples identity and individualism away from them and replace it with what YOU want them to identify as. It makes them easier to control. It's the only reason why African Americans aren't broken down into pockets of individual African cultures.

I dont cling to africa because I was told we was all kings and queens...I told you I was told the opposite about africa...thats its a backwards cesspool of disease and famines. So my willingness to acknowledge in my identity that my lineage and heritage goes back there isn't built on some fantasy its acknowledging a reality.

@mangoslob, if Africans DON'T don't fuck with us, can you kindly explain why they have names such as Akata, Abeeds, Jareers etc?

Thanks, I'll take my answer off the air.

Okay so going by this logic...black americans shouldn't identify as african americans because africans dont "fuck" with us... okay if that the case the other americans have names such as ******, monkeys, sambos etc... shouldn't we refuse to identify with a culture and people (fellow americans) that do that??

I'll wait for the answer