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I thought it was ok. I liked it better than Doctor Strange.
Should have been longer to flush out more about Gorr and Jane. Seemed like a lot was cut out, because I don't recall a Marvel movie being less than two hours including the end credits.
Humor was whatever.
I don't think Tiki helped the movie.
Should have been longer to flush out more about Gorr and Jane. Seemed like a lot was cut out, because I don't recall a Marvel movie being less than two hours including the end credits.
Humor was whatever.
I don't think Tiki helped the movie.
Should have cut that Guardians scene instead that was pointless and ruined with the trailer
damn that sucks. Of course it goes with the theory I always had that Portman was bringing down the series. Hated her in all the other Thor movies. The one she wasn't in ended up being the best.
What did you think of Portman in this one?
Yea. This phase has been very disappointing. Not sure what direction the MCU is going right now.
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Thor: Love and Thunder Is More Proof Marvel Needs a Phase 4 Goal, Fast - IGN
We’re approximately 50 hours into Phase 4 of the MCU but we're still not sure where it’s going.
Thor: Love and Thunder Is More Proof Marvel Needs a Phase 4 Goal, Fast - IGN
By T. MacDougalUpdated: 9 Jul 2022 11:05 amPosted: 9 Jul 2022 11:05 am
8-10 minutes
Warning: Full spoilers follow for the MCU to date, including Thor: Love and Thunder.
Anyone feeling like there’s been a lot of Marvel Cinematic Universe storytelling but an overall pronounced lack of direction as to where it’s all going? We’re trying to follow the breadcrumbs, but we have to admit, it’s been tough.
As of July, Marvel Studios is 18 months into what it calls Phase 4 of its interconnected storytelling, which consists of six films: Black Widow, Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, Eternals, Spider-Man: No Way Home, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, and the most recent release, Thor: Love and Thunder. On the Disney+ streaming side, there have been seven original series: WandaVision, The Falcon & the Winter Soldier, Loki, What If…?, Hawkeye, Moon Knight, and Ms. Marvel.
To put that in perspective, it took Marvel Studios eight years to release 13 movies across three Phases, with approximately 26 hours of total storytelling time. Phase 4 is already up to 55 hours of storytelling with four more films and at least four more MCU streaming shows yet to debut this year. So if you’re an MCU fan, it’s a great time to be alive. But from a storytelling perspective, we have to wonder: What’s it all heading towards?
The Thanos Blueprint
Whether you love or hate Marvel Studios, there’s no arguing that they had an overarching adversary threaded through the first three Phases, and his name was Thanos. The supervillain was first teased in 2012’s The Avengers, with his arc building to an epic conclusion in 2019’s Avengers: Endgame. And the repercussions of his actions are still being dealt with in a good portion of Phase 4’s storytelling.
However, there’s no Thanos level of Big Bad in this current collection of storytelling. President of Marvel Studios Kevin Feige, who is the guiding hand behind all MCU creative decisions, has touted Phase 4 for the introduction of the multiverse, where alternate timelines would be revealed and have an impact on the ongoing stories and characters audiences are invested in.
What’s been surprising is how none of those narratives actually connect or have any lasting implications yet.
He didn’t fib because Spider-Man: No Way Home, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, Loki and What If…? are entirely about the multiverse with sacred timelines vs. alternate timelines. But what’s been surprising is how none of those narratives actually connect or have any lasting implications yet. To summarize: Peter Parker took himself out of the superhero game to correct time; Doctor Strange basically did a standalone mess around with an alternate timeline but there were no repercussions to his time; and Loki introduced the TVA, who monitors timelines, and revealed a huge reality shift that hasn’t touched any other storytelling. It had no impact on No Way Home or Multiverse of Madness, and vice versa. And then What If…? technically just portrayed a standalone worst-case arc of multiverse destruction.
Outside of that, there’s been a lot of movies and series in Phase 4 relying on “It’s the end of the world!” events that get fixed in the final act. Shang-Chi stopped the Dweller-in-Darkness from wiping out humanity; the Eternals managed to give the Celestials some intense homework as a delay tactic to wiping out humanity; Sam Wilson and Bucky Barnes prevented the Flag Smashers’ terrorist attack; Peter Parker (times three) stopped a rogues gallery of supervillains from destroying New York City, and so on. Each movie/show ends with everything mostly resolved, yet with a bigger cast of characters to service and some dangling story threads left to flap in the breeze until the story cycle can get back to them.
Marvel Cinematic Universe: Every Upcoming Movie and TV Show
Put a Stake in It
In Phase 3, the MCU was far more committed to making death stick and there was a wealth of ugly-cry moments born of those tough decisions. Tony Stark, Natasha Romanoff, Thanos, Killmonger, Hela, Yondu, Odin… all big players who have remained dead, and we thank the MCU for making those big, permanent swings.
Which is why it’s such a head-scratcher that Phase 4 has made a point of undermining the potency of death in the MCU. For one, it brought back Vision and Loki, two characters whose deaths literally devastated Thor and Wanda Maximoff (and us), in order to keep them in play. Now, we love Paul Bettany and Tom Hiddleston too, but reviving their characters frankly felt like trying to make a comic-book trope work in film, and it doesn’t.
This approach was exacerbated with a prequel solo adventure for Black Widow when we already knew how and when she dies, the stunt murder of Earth-838’s Illuminati, and, in Thor: Love and Thunder, tagging on the Valhalla reveal of both Jane and Heimdall, which means they’re just sorta dead. Why should we bother to weep into our popcorn if the characters who don’t make it can just be yoinked back whenever?
So. Many. Characters.
Which leads us to the other big problem of Phase 4: There’s just too many characters! In the first three Phases, Marvel Studios slowly built their roster of cinematic superheroes across 23 movies. Through standalone origin stories and the methodical introduction of new characters into cumulative Avengers films, the MCU grew a lot, but with a manageable bench of primary, secondary, and recurring support characters. Now it’s an embarrassment of riches when it comes to the sheer volume of OG characters and new characters in their sandbox. And every new film and series adds at least three to five more major characters that gain a fanbase who wants to see more of them.
But it’s impossible to actually tell the stories of even a fraction of them because the scope of the MCU has gotten so expansive. For example, Sam Wilson was introduced as the new Captain America in April 2021. He won’t even get his own movie until 2023 or beyond. In comparison, at worst, the longest span where we didn’t see Steve Rogers was the two years between The Avengers and Captain America: The Winter Soldier. And that’s just one Avenger!
Phase 4 has been more than two Infinity Sagas combined, but it’d be pretty tough to say what the over-arching story is.
And it’s only getting worse with the MCU’s new normal of stunt cast introductions in the mid-credit or end-credit scenes. In Phase 4, there’s Harry Styles as Eros and Patton Oswalt as Pip, Julia Louis-Dreyfus as Valentina Allegra de Fontaine, Charlize Theron as Clea, and Brett Goldstein as Hercules, with surely more surprises to come. It used to be a thrill when a major actor was announced in an upcoming MCU movie, but lately we’re wondering if there are any A-listers left to choose from. And if they get cast, when will we actually see them play the character?
Which brings us back to the why of it all. We respect the MCU not trying to immediately repeat itself with a new Thanos because that’s like capturing lightning in a bottle twice. But we’re really feeling the lack of clarity, or an identifiable throughline, to at least the cinematic narratives. Yes, we see the piecemeal assemblage of potentially the MCU’s spin on a Young Avengers lineup or a New Avengers roster. And we know the upcoming streaming series Secret Invasion is threading the Skrulls from Captain Marvel into the next massive threat to the planet. But even that potential reveal feels like too little too late in establishing an overall focus and sense of narrative purpose when the majority of Phase 4 storytelling has just felt scattershot and disjointed.
After 55 hours of Phase 4, where exactly are we? That’s more than two Infinity Sagas combined, but it’d be pretty tough to say what the over-arching story is in this new era of Marvel. Have there been good and even great moments to be found in those 55 hours? Sure! But the MCU has long been about the bigger story of this universe, and it sure is starting to feel like there isn’t one at the moment.
By T. MacDougalUpdated: 9 Jul 2022 11:05 amPosted: 9 Jul 2022 11:05 am
8-10 minutes
Warning: Full spoilers follow for the MCU to date, including Thor: Love and Thunder.
Anyone feeling like there’s been a lot of Marvel Cinematic Universe storytelling but an overall pronounced lack of direction as to where it’s all going? We’re trying to follow the breadcrumbs, but we have to admit, it’s been tough.
As of July, Marvel Studios is 18 months into what it calls Phase 4 of its interconnected storytelling, which consists of six films: Black Widow, Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, Eternals, Spider-Man: No Way Home, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, and the most recent release, Thor: Love and Thunder. On the Disney+ streaming side, there have been seven original series: WandaVision, The Falcon & the Winter Soldier, Loki, What If…?, Hawkeye, Moon Knight, and Ms. Marvel.
To put that in perspective, it took Marvel Studios eight years to release 13 movies across three Phases, with approximately 26 hours of total storytelling time. Phase 4 is already up to 55 hours of storytelling with four more films and at least four more MCU streaming shows yet to debut this year. So if you’re an MCU fan, it’s a great time to be alive. But from a storytelling perspective, we have to wonder: What’s it all heading towards?
The Thanos Blueprint
Whether you love or hate Marvel Studios, there’s no arguing that they had an overarching adversary threaded through the first three Phases, and his name was Thanos. The supervillain was first teased in 2012’s The Avengers, with his arc building to an epic conclusion in 2019’s Avengers: Endgame. And the repercussions of his actions are still being dealt with in a good portion of Phase 4’s storytelling.
However, there’s no Thanos level of Big Bad in this current collection of storytelling. President of Marvel Studios Kevin Feige, who is the guiding hand behind all MCU creative decisions, has touted Phase 4 for the introduction of the multiverse, where alternate timelines would be revealed and have an impact on the ongoing stories and characters audiences are invested in.
What’s been surprising is how none of those narratives actually connect or have any lasting implications yet.
He didn’t fib because Spider-Man: No Way Home, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, Loki and What If…? are entirely about the multiverse with sacred timelines vs. alternate timelines. But what’s been surprising is how none of those narratives actually connect or have any lasting implications yet. To summarize: Peter Parker took himself out of the superhero game to correct time; Doctor Strange basically did a standalone mess around with an alternate timeline but there were no repercussions to his time; and Loki introduced the TVA, who monitors timelines, and revealed a huge reality shift that hasn’t touched any other storytelling. It had no impact on No Way Home or Multiverse of Madness, and vice versa. And then What If…? technically just portrayed a standalone worst-case arc of multiverse destruction.
Outside of that, there’s been a lot of movies and series in Phase 4 relying on “It’s the end of the world!” events that get fixed in the final act. Shang-Chi stopped the Dweller-in-Darkness from wiping out humanity; the Eternals managed to give the Celestials some intense homework as a delay tactic to wiping out humanity; Sam Wilson and Bucky Barnes prevented the Flag Smashers’ terrorist attack; Peter Parker (times three) stopped a rogues gallery of supervillains from destroying New York City, and so on. Each movie/show ends with everything mostly resolved, yet with a bigger cast of characters to service and some dangling story threads left to flap in the breeze until the story cycle can get back to them.
Marvel Cinematic Universe: Every Upcoming Movie and TV Show
Put a Stake in It
In Phase 3, the MCU was far more committed to making death stick and there was a wealth of ugly-cry moments born of those tough decisions. Tony Stark, Natasha Romanoff, Thanos, Killmonger, Hela, Yondu, Odin… all big players who have remained dead, and we thank the MCU for making those big, permanent swings.
Which is why it’s such a head-scratcher that Phase 4 has made a point of undermining the potency of death in the MCU. For one, it brought back Vision and Loki, two characters whose deaths literally devastated Thor and Wanda Maximoff (and us), in order to keep them in play. Now, we love Paul Bettany and Tom Hiddleston too, but reviving their characters frankly felt like trying to make a comic-book trope work in film, and it doesn’t.
This approach was exacerbated with a prequel solo adventure for Black Widow when we already knew how and when she dies, the stunt murder of Earth-838’s Illuminati, and, in Thor: Love and Thunder, tagging on the Valhalla reveal of both Jane and Heimdall, which means they’re just sorta dead. Why should we bother to weep into our popcorn if the characters who don’t make it can just be yoinked back whenever?
So. Many. Characters.
Which leads us to the other big problem of Phase 4: There’s just too many characters! In the first three Phases, Marvel Studios slowly built their roster of cinematic superheroes across 23 movies. Through standalone origin stories and the methodical introduction of new characters into cumulative Avengers films, the MCU grew a lot, but with a manageable bench of primary, secondary, and recurring support characters. Now it’s an embarrassment of riches when it comes to the sheer volume of OG characters and new characters in their sandbox. And every new film and series adds at least three to five more major characters that gain a fanbase who wants to see more of them.
But it’s impossible to actually tell the stories of even a fraction of them because the scope of the MCU has gotten so expansive. For example, Sam Wilson was introduced as the new Captain America in April 2021. He won’t even get his own movie until 2023 or beyond. In comparison, at worst, the longest span where we didn’t see Steve Rogers was the two years between The Avengers and Captain America: The Winter Soldier. And that’s just one Avenger!
Phase 4 has been more than two Infinity Sagas combined, but it’d be pretty tough to say what the over-arching story is.
And it’s only getting worse with the MCU’s new normal of stunt cast introductions in the mid-credit or end-credit scenes. In Phase 4, there’s Harry Styles as Eros and Patton Oswalt as Pip, Julia Louis-Dreyfus as Valentina Allegra de Fontaine, Charlize Theron as Clea, and Brett Goldstein as Hercules, with surely more surprises to come. It used to be a thrill when a major actor was announced in an upcoming MCU movie, but lately we’re wondering if there are any A-listers left to choose from. And if they get cast, when will we actually see them play the character?
Which brings us back to the why of it all. We respect the MCU not trying to immediately repeat itself with a new Thanos because that’s like capturing lightning in a bottle twice. But we’re really feeling the lack of clarity, or an identifiable throughline, to at least the cinematic narratives. Yes, we see the piecemeal assemblage of potentially the MCU’s spin on a Young Avengers lineup or a New Avengers roster. And we know the upcoming streaming series Secret Invasion is threading the Skrulls from Captain Marvel into the next massive threat to the planet. But even that potential reveal feels like too little too late in establishing an overall focus and sense of narrative purpose when the majority of Phase 4 storytelling has just felt scattershot and disjointed.
After 55 hours of Phase 4, where exactly are we? That’s more than two Infinity Sagas combined, but it’d be pretty tough to say what the over-arching story is in this new era of Marvel. Have there been good and even great moments to be found in those 55 hours? Sure! But the MCU has long been about the bigger story of this universe, and it sure is starting to feel like there isn’t one at the moment.
Lena Headly was also cut from the movie, i read she was supposed to be Enchantress.
This mofo here.. 
she was decent.
She wasn't the problem. Them turning a movie about Thor Odinson into a series of SNL sketches was the problem.
It was okay, not as good as Dr Strange
They better not fuck up BP2 and the MCU needs X-men asap. They need some new blood
They better not fuck up BP2 and the MCU needs X-men asap. They need some new blood
It'll be on Disney+ by the end of August.
I'll wait.
I'll wait.
The problem was they didn't show Gor the god butcher killing any Gods. Not one fucking kill on screen
My biggest complaint
They cut it for the corny joke scenes.
I liked it. Not the greatest nor the worst. Not as good or fun as Ragnarock, but not as bad as Thor 2.
I wish Gorr the God Butcher was explored more and you could tell there was a lot cut from the final film but I was entertained and that's basically all I wanted.
I wish Gorr the God Butcher was explored more and you could tell there was a lot cut from the final film but I was entertained and that's basically all I wanted.
Seems like Marvel/Disney spent more time
Writing corny jokes & planting hundreds of easter eggs
Instead of actually making a better movie
I liked the movie and I thought it was better than people have been saying...
For those that say that there should have been more of Gorr, i completely agree. Christian Bale was fantastic in it.
I remember reading that they have been wanting to confirm Valkyrie(Tessa Thompson had mentioned this as well) liked women for a while now so I'm not surprised that they were overt about it in this movie.
Not as good as Ragnarok, but probably the next best movie in the Thor franchise and I thought it was better than Doctor Strange
For me, people are complaining about no direction for the MCU and John Campea has been talking about this on his channel about the fact that no Captain America and no Ironman leaves a void with the leadership. Spiderman is gone now, Doctor Strange, we dont know where ran off to and now Thor "will return"..I'm willing to be patient with Marvel because this is sort of like a reboot so it may take a year or two for them to figure out how everything is linked together. It took them several years to build up to Endgame and there were a couple of misfires along the way but they brought everything together..
For those that say that there should have been more of Gorr, i completely agree. Christian Bale was fantastic in it.
I remember reading that they have been wanting to confirm Valkyrie(Tessa Thompson had mentioned this as well) liked women for a while now so I'm not surprised that they were overt about it in this movie.
Not as good as Ragnarok, but probably the next best movie in the Thor franchise and I thought it was better than Doctor Strange
For me, people are complaining about no direction for the MCU and John Campea has been talking about this on his channel about the fact that no Captain America and no Ironman leaves a void with the leadership. Spiderman is gone now, Doctor Strange, we dont know where ran off to and now Thor "will return"..I'm willing to be patient with Marvel because this is sort of like a reboot so it may take a year or two for them to figure out how everything is linked together. It took them several years to build up to Endgame and there were a couple of misfires along the way but they brought everything together..
Same. I was thinking that Jane would leave the hammer and the end credit would be Beta finding it.
But the question is, if Odin is dead who would bless Betas weapon? Thor?
When JF threw stormbreaker into space I was OH SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just knew beta ray was gon come back weilding that muthafucka and team up with em!
I think so. Thor was able to give the children the "Power of Thor" in Love/Thunder.... he may be able to Bless Beta Ray Bill's weapon but.....
.....they fucking gave Stormbreaker, Beta Ray Bill's weapon, to a little girl.When JF threw stormbreaker into space I was OH SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just knew beta ray was gon come back weilding that muthafucka and team up with em!
The Kronans (which Korg is) is an all male race. But the way they reproduce is the way he explained it kinda. They go into the lava pit lock hands until the heat burns off their arms , falls into the lava and forms a new Kronan. They just made his vocal tone and left out certain parts and made it wild gay on purpose.
Whole planet of faggots
Thor: Love & Thunder (in a nutshell)
- The continued "deconstruction" of the popular male (especially White) superhero by turning him into a joke.
- Female empowerment. No man is allowed to save, teach or be "better" than any woman/girl in any film or series.
- LGBTQ representation in every Disney theatrical release (Eternals, Dr. Strange, Lightyear & Thor). (Wakanda Forever is up next)
- Teaching children that everyone is their own hero.
- Weak set up for the next or future film.
This shit is so tired...
- The continued "deconstruction" of the popular male (especially White) superhero by turning him into a joke.
- Female empowerment. No man is allowed to save, teach or be "better" than any woman/girl in any film or series.
- LGBTQ representation in every Disney theatrical release (Eternals, Dr. Strange, Lightyear & Thor). (Wakanda Forever is up next)
- Teaching children that everyone is their own hero.
- Weak set up for the next or future film.
This shit is so tired...
Thor: Love & Thunder (in a nutshell)
- The continued "deconstruction" of the popular male (especially White) superhero by turning him into a joke.
- Female empowerment. No man is allowed to save, teach or be "better" than any woman/girl in any film or series.
- LGBTQ representation in every Disney theatrical release (Eternals, Dr. Strange, Lightyear & Thor). (Wakanda Forever is up next)
- Teaching children that everyone is their own hero.
- Weak set up for the next or future film.
This shit is so tired...
and it is this formula that has me staying home on alot of movie releases of late. and i am a big movie goer.
i hope the latest top gun changes some of this moving forward.
Not likely.
You'd think Hollyweird would take note of the success of films like: Ghostbusters Afterlife, Spiderman: No Way Home and Top Gun: Maverick.
But Disney (in particular) and much of Hollyweird is committed to pushing that shit.
Question fellas:
Was I the only one who rolled my eyes at this part???
1. When Jane came flying in on Valkyrie's horse
2. Then she told Thor "Its okay I got him"
Wait hold up, bitch what???
Didn't Gorr just kick Thor's ass & almost stab him with the Necro sword
And you talking about I got this by myself?
3. So they got Thor trying to pull stormbreaker out the ground
While Jane is giving the "say my name right" speech
And of course she had to do the Tessa Thompson strut...
Was I the only one who rolled my eyes at this part???
1. When Jane came flying in on Valkyrie's horse
2. Then she told Thor "Its okay I got him"
Wait hold up, bitch what???
Didn't Gorr just kick Thor's ass & almost stab him with the Necro sword
And you talking about I got this by myself?
3. So they got Thor trying to pull stormbreaker out the ground
While Jane is giving the "say my name right" speech
And of course she had to do the Tessa Thompson strut...
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