UPDATE : Jon Gruden RESIGNS as Raiders HC in the midst of 2011 racist email scandal
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All these rich white niggas thought they were safe to share their true views...Gruden damn sure wasn't having a one sided conversation...
These cats had the N word, F word, P word etc flying around in emails like they were sitting around the campfire at their private ranch.
And shefty out here asking Team Presidents if it's okay to write a story and allowing them to edit it. Now wonder he breaks all the stories. He'll put your point of view on ESPN for a fee!
These cats had the N word, F word, P word etc flying around in emails like they were sitting around the campfire at their private ranch.
And shefty out here asking Team Presidents if it's okay to write a story and allowing them to edit it. Now wonder he breaks all the stories. He'll put your point of view on ESPN for a fee!
Not really.
Al Davis was one of the most progressive, if not the most progressive, owners in the history of the NFL.
He led on drafting players from HBCU’s, making a woman exec his right hand, and hiring the first Black coach of the modern era.
That is where irony comes into play.
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Crazy the power of the media...
Careful wording of a title
Just a little bit
Can convey a whole lot
Especially when trying to illicit a specific reaction from a specific audience
Just wait till he works for a national sports book.
Effecting gambling?
I ain't no alarmist but man...
The end days coming piece by piece
‘The View’ Hosts Demolish Jon Gruden Over Homophobic, Racist Emails: “Stuck In a Different Era”
“It’s the most disturbing lack of humanity I’ve seen in a long time.”
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‘The View’ Hosts Demolish Jon Gruden Over Homophobic, Racist Emails: “Stuck In a Different Era”
By Fletcher Peters @fIetcherpeters Oct 13, 2021 at 12:22pm
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The View hosts tore into former Raiders football coach Jon Gruden and, for that matter, the rest of the NFL during today’s hot topics segment of the show. While discussing Gruden’s recent resignation, the panelists denounced his “racist, homophobic, and misogynistic” emails. And the buck didn’t stop there — the co-hosts were ready to unearth the larger problems at play in the football world.
On Monday (Oct. 11), Las Vegas Raiders’ coach Gruden stepped down after an investigation surrounding past emails with containing a slew of homophobic slurs, racist tropes, and misogynistic language. After Joy Behar introduced the first topic, the hosts were ready to dive into the issues at hand.
“You know, my grandmother always said: what’s done in the dark is going to come to the light,” returning guest host Sherri Shepherd said. “All of these emails have come forward, and this is from another investigation. It’s showing that Gruden has been misogynistic, anti-LGBTQ+. This is what we found out from like 10 years ago, so to me, it speaks to the problematic culture of the NFL. There were some people who responded back, who read them, who were comfortable with them.”
Guest co-host S.E. Cupp was quick to agree, sharing that she has acquaintances in the NFL who have leaked some of the behavior that goes on behind-the-scenes.
“He’s not the only one! I talk to football players who say very openly and candidly that it’s a homophobic space, still. They call it ‘the last closet,'” Cupp said. “That hopefully changes with people like Carl Nassib, one of the first active NFL players to come out this year. It helps to change some of that culture, because I think in some ways, they’re stuck in a different era.”
Next up was Sunny Hostin, who chimed in to say that Gruden had racially profiled her former boss, NFL Players Association Director DeMaurice Smith. Hostin clarified that Smith is not at all “stupid,” and that Gruden was wrong to talk about his lip size as a “racial trope.”
“I think that sunlight certainly is the best disinfectant for something like this. Transparency is really important. But the players remain the same, the owners remain the same. The people are still there. This investigation started and concluded over the summer of 2021,” Hostin said. “He was not only misogynistic, he was homophobic and he was also racist.”
Sara Haines then jumped in, slamming Gruden for his behavior: “This wasn’t even just slightly off-colored remarks. In this day and age, you see people that you have to kind of explain why it’s offensive,” she said. “This was troping at the lowest level. We can’t say these words. We were reminded 15 times not to, but most of us don’t have it right on the tip of our tongue anyway.”
Jumping off of that, Haines tore into Gruden and the rest of the NFL for their lack of understanding surrounding players’ health issues, mentioning the major issues with CTE in football players.
“These lies — they’re literally riding on the backs of these players,” Haines said. “Not even respecting them in basic language, but trolling on them and not wanting to protect them. It’s the most disturbing lack of humanity I’ve seen in a long time.”
Wrapping up the conversation, Behar brought up the legacy of Colin Kaepernick — who fellow co-host Hostin recently profiled for Ebony Magazine.
“I would think if they really want to clean up their act they should rehire Colin Kaepernick,” Behar said. “Why is he out of a job when all of this is going on?”
“Because he stood up to racism,” Hostin responded. “He stood up for everything that I think everything they wanted to keep hidden. He stood up to the very culture that still exists in the NFL.”
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That was his only play.
He didn’t do that, Mark was going to be forced to fire him.
They both knew what was at stake if he didn’t
Yesterday Stephen A said nothing should happen to him but today he saying something different, he trying to save face. Talking about he thought it was only one email.. BULLSHIT! Everybody knew it was several emails that were out there yesterday. Check the videos from yesterday and today, this nigga ain't shit...
You can’t tell me it’s not in their script to build animosity among groups for media ratings.
It’s Spiritually wicked.
You can’t tell me it’s not in their script to build animosity among groups for media ratings.
It’s Spiritually wicked.
naw they in a Different class than most of us they gonna speak softly and keep what they worked for don’t expect Malcolm c.
they know the world hates Blacks do they downplayed the black part to focus on other groups since that’s the ratings. We don’t have much value once we open our mouth.
Interesting
Jon Gruden was hostile to Black people for years before his emails came out
In his dealings with those in his immediate orbit, the former Raiders head coach long ago showed us where he thinks a Black man’s place in football should be
Jon Gruden resigned from the Raiders on Monday. Photograph: John Hefti/AP
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Now that Jon Gruden has been forced out in Las Vegas – and this, after an eight years-long email trail of his racist, homophobic and misogynistic exchanges were unearthed as part of an investigation into the Washington Football Team’s fratty workplace culture – it’s worth revisiting how the coach came to power in the Raiders organization for the second time in his gilded career.
Six years before Gruden was lured out of ESPN’s Monday Night Football booth with a 10-year, $100m carrot, the Raiders were circling the drain; in 2014, they’d win a paltry three games on the way to tying for the NFL’s third-worst record. But over the next few seasons the team slowly rebuilt itself into a contender, winning 12 games to reach the 2016 playoffs. And there was no doubt that resurgence was a credit to the shrewd work of general manager Reggie McKenzie, the former Raiders linebacker and the first person to run football operations other than owner Al Davis.
But when Gruden returned to the team in 2018 , what did he do? He won a whopping four games with almost the same group that had won 12. He undermined McKenzie – the NFL’s leading executive in 2016 – by installing a rival scouting department and creating a separate draft board. And Gruden jettisoned many of McKenzie’s best discoveries, not least trading away All-Pro defensive end Khalil Mack to Chicago. In the end the yawning divide in the Raiders front office grew untenable, and McKenzie was let go – and now it’s difficult not to wonder if that wasn’t because he’s Black.
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You can believe Gruden when he says he doesn’t “have a racist bone in my body”. You can chalk him up as the blood sacrifice of a football culture whose moral rot runs deeper than just emails. You can dismiss his exchanges as the private ramblings of a small and insecure man woefully out of touch with the world at his fingertips. You can’t say it isn’t rich that the coach who all but called the NFLPA chief a sambo doll is the same guy who crafts his personal brand around the image of Chucky.
But the fact that Gruden felt free enough to insult the appearance and intelligence of NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith (who is also Black) in a message to Bruce Allen (then the WFT’s highest-ranking executive) over a corporate server not only confirms what most Black people around the game have long figured (this is what these white folk really think about us). It proves that Black people aren’t crazy for thinking that they’re being denied opportunities in the league because the white ruling class have no interest in sharing power with them.
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You can say Gruden’s words don’t matter. But consider his 15-year track record: There are no young Black assistants in his coaching tree; Willie Shaw is the only Black person Gruden’s ever retained as a coordinator – and Shaw only lasted a couple seasons.
For all of Gruden’s outsize reputation as an offensive wunderkind, he has never developed a Black quarterback. Shaun King, a Tony Dungy-era holdover who led Tampa to the playoffs in his second year in the NFL, was effectively doomed when Gruden stuck with an over-the-hill Brad Johnson. In Oakland he famously bypassed an opportunity to sign Colin Kaepernick (whose social justice-driven activism we now know the coach vehemently opposed) and instead signed Nathan Peterman, who is white and quite possibly the worst quarterback of all time. For good measure Gruden cut Marquette King, one of the few Black punters in NFL history and a solid special teams contributor, for seemingly no other reason than being too outspoken and outgoing for his position. And he found space on his roster for Richie Incognito, a confirmed bully who was suspended for intimidating a Black former Dolphins teammate with racial slurs.
Here’s a refrain the coach is always coming back to, that he can only win with “his guys.” And while it’s true that Johnson’s quarterbacking was just steady enough to guide Gruden’s Bucs to a title in 2002, it’s also true that none of that success would’ve been possible without the Hall of Fame defensive personnel and innovative Cover-2 scheme put in place by the team’s previous head coach, Dungy.
Hence why it’s so disappointing to watch Dungy, an NBC analyst now, support Gruden during last week’s Sunday Night Football telecast when he better than anyone can say that Gruden’s success was built on the backs of Black men like him.
Take away Dungy’s team, and Gruden would be just another retread coach. In the nine seasons since his resume-making Super Bowl crown, he averaged seven wins while reaching the playoffs twice. And that’s while spending the past three years working with one of his guys – former TV analyst Mike Mayock, who had no prior front office experience when he was hired to replace McKenzie as general manager. Despite the impassioned support Gruden received from other boob-tube chums like Dungy, former Monday Night Football sidekick Mike Tirico and Tim Brown, who played for Gruden in Oakland and Tampa, be clear: these are company men. Let a Black man deign to challenge Gruden’s old-school football conventions or otherwise threaten the absolute power he has held over his teams, and watch how fast he pulls rank.
In Tampa’s alpha male-stuffed locker room Gruden publicly clashed with Warren Sapp, Keenan McCardell and other highly paid veterans. When the Bucs’ Keyshawn Johnson was caught on video yelling at Gruden on the sideline, the explosive culmination of a long-simmering rift, Gruden deactivated the wideout before shipping him off to Dallas. At the time the move was hugely controversial and cemented Johnson’s reputation as a diva. So you can imagine the satisfaction Johnson, now an ESPN analyst, took in seeing Gruden get his comeuppance this week. “He’s always been a fraud to me,” he said. In an infamous 2009 radio interview the brash ex-Bucs defensive end Simeon Rice described Gruden as an insincere “scumbag” who is quick to discard players when they are injured and seemingly no longer useful to him.
Then of course Gruden’s second tour with the Raiders kicked off with him forcing out Mack when he demanded to be paid as much as other top defenders. After trading two first-round picks for Mack, the Bears signed him to a six-year, $141m extension – a bargain in retrospect. Heading into this season Pro Football Focus had Mack ranked as the sixth-best player in the entire league. So it fits that Gruden’s coaching career ended last week with a loss to Chicago, which saw Mack compile eight tackles and a sack. Never mind that two years ago Gruden told reporters he “cried for three days” after the blockbuster trade. That’s about as believable as the apology he offered up earlier this week when his emails were just racist and, thus, survivable.
It doesn’t take some special X-ray to see if Gruden has a racist bone in his body. If his emails don’t make that plain, his actions sure do. For a coach who owed his position to nepotism and the circumvention of the NFL’s diversity, equity and inclusion hiring practices, it’s too easy to attribute success to smarts and laugh off bigoted emails between peers with hiring sway as harmless banter. But in his dealings with McKenzie and others in his immediate orbit, Gruden long ago told us where he thinks a Black man’s place in football should be. And you have to admit his actions went well beyond words.
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I hope they move on without carr next season
He’s a religious loon
I can't find it as it seems like ESPN has removed it but I remember when Jameis Winston was on Gruden's QB Camp show before the draft that year. Basically Jameis murdered that shit as he was able to describe every play on tape in clear detail along with going to the whiteboard and disecting an entire defense and what QB read to make based on how the defense is lined up and their movement. The more info he gave it appeared that Gruden was getting angrier like "How this nigga know all this football shit?"
Hopefully, nobody's surprised that the league is circling the wagons to protect it's image..and money. And to do so, they've enlisted several black players and former coaches.
Those league knows it needs black faces to counter this and that this shit WILL blow over, at some point, and it'll be business as usual.
There may be a few others besides Gruden sacrificed, and then the league will throw out some fake gesture to appease everyone...a panel on some diversity training or initiative....and we know that'll be BS, cuz the Rooney Rule has been a joke for years.
If you have any sense, you know this isn't new and it's only the tip of the iceberg, and its everywhere.
This is another reason why I'm not a big sports fan anymore. I'm strictly a casual fan. I also feel the same way about most types of entertainment.
Mannnn, the NFL told y'all a long time ago how they feel about you.
Those league knows it needs black faces to counter this and that this shit WILL blow over, at some point, and it'll be business as usual.
There may be a few others besides Gruden sacrificed, and then the league will throw out some fake gesture to appease everyone...a panel on some diversity training or initiative....and we know that'll be BS, cuz the Rooney Rule has been a joke for years.
If you have any sense, you know this isn't new and it's only the tip of the iceberg, and its everywhere.
This is another reason why I'm not a big sports fan anymore. I'm strictly a casual fan. I also feel the same way about most types of entertainment.
Mannnn, the NFL told y'all a long time ago how they feel about you.
Nobody knew then, but what people seem to be forgetting when it all came out he was talking like this just three years ago in 2018.
I mean, what we need to hear it live and on tape?
Every white person at least 2 generations in this country is racist, period.
From .01 to .99 percent, they are all racist. The system is built for them to function in that manner. How they fair on unlearning it is a success rate that cannot be tracked.
They are struggling coming to grips being the “bug” in the programming.
C’mon Randy. Crying?
Yeah I just heard he resigned, not because of the racist shit he said but he also said some homophobic shit so that was the last straw.. Ok..
I mean what’s to explain?
The faggits he spoke about were being faggits!
They really did downplay it, calling it a racial “Trope”. Then Gruden talked about he was describing it as him running his mouth.
We all knew what it meant and he still had his job, had his players support and everything and continued to coach.
The minute he used the word faggit, it was a wrap!
They’re showing and have showed us what they think about us.
Man, LISTEN…
Now what the f*ck did Dave get finished telling all a ya’ll?
They didn’t wanna listen though!
This muthaf*cka Dave manifested this Jon Gruden debacle just to show you n!gga show great he is at what he does.
We have to be wiser though. We have to stay on code and since intervention, all of us have not felt the need to do that and it shows.
The system of white insecurity is to make racism seem like it is only the thoughts and actions of extremists and not the foundation of a nation.
It is built for white people to believe that if they are not in a terrorist group, don’t use the word n!gher and never thought about killing a Black person, based on race, then they are not racist.
Man, that’s a problem. Denial is a tough cookie to crack.
Intentionally.
Now, they might wanna watch that. You can damn near pull every white man outta the ring of honor in any stadium if it’s about being racist, much less mysoginistic or homophobic.
I wonder how many IT consultants got calls recently, wondering how to remove old emails?
They don't care about what he said.
They care that he got CAUGHT...and they can't be associated with it.
That cracka Stephen A. was right for once when he said Mark Davis would have kept Gruden on but was forced to get him outta there by the NFL. They met to come up with the best way to go about it and save face.
They care that he got CAUGHT...and they can't be associated with it.
That cracka Stephen A. was right for once when he said Mark Davis would have kept Gruden on but was forced to get him outta there by the NFL. They met to come up with the best way to go about it and save face.
Pretty sure this played a big factor
On a another note, EA pulled him off of Madden
It is to send a message that racist garbage won't be tolerated which can validate this happening to players. I have been writing about legacy bizarre theories toward black quarterbacks.
The first one to violate their bizarre beliefs they give them a pass. It was just a rare one off that will never happen again for another 200 years. Another Venus Williams and they will be killed for sure. They tried to kill her sister. Simone Biles had to endure sexual abuse, they tried to make it look like the other athletes suffered.
You have better be biracial or exhibit dominant white traits from years inter breeding.
Steve McNair was just after Doug Williams. I don't know if they will let Russell Wilson pass, he is dark skin. He need to utilize his straight hair and talk about white ancestors DNA that played a crucial part in him winning a Superbowl.
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I wonder how many IT consultants got calls recently, wondering how to remove old emails?
I would be messing with them like
"OK, open Word, type this in exactly what i tell you: I. am. a. dumbass!"
Bring up the C: prompt and then Type Format C:"
I would say all of them, if not 90%. Why do you think Gruden got the “Jimmy the Greek treatment”?
So-called whites can’t allow it to look like they condone certain racial sentiments that are discussed in behind closed doors because it is bad for business.
The NFL finally transformed itself into the top “woke” league in the USA and wasn’t going to let this shit ruin it so Gruden had to go and be cast out as a “lone wolf racist”. So-called whites make their own pay a heavy penalty when someone leaks back room conversation.
They’ve been running this trick for centuries because they are masters at subterfuge, when in reality, they were likely all saying shit worse than Gruden.
That's a fact and still are
I would be messing with them like
"OK, open Word, type this in exactly what i tell you: I. am. a. dumbass!"
Bring up the C: prompt and then Type Format C:"
Mannnn, them mofos are desperate!
They would pay whatever you asked...
to make it ALLLL go away
They bout to go deep, DEEP undercover with their future communication.
You won’t see nothing else related to this. Like I said in another thread, Gruden will get the “Jimmy the Greek” treatment and this case will be closed by Sunday.
Pretty sure this played a big factor
On a another note, EA pulled him off of Madden
Damn, so the racism doesn't make the cut now. IGN just mentioned the 'homophobia' and other shit.
Yeah, Gruden would have rode this out had the other emails not been exposed.
Damn, so the racism doesn't make the cut now. IGN just mentioned the 'homophobia' and other shit.
This country values the gay community more than us.
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