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Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
Hilary Brueck
5 hours ago


A supporter of President of Brazil Jair Bolsonaro holds a large box of box of Ivermectin at Esplanada dos Ministérios on May 15, 2021 in Brasilia, Brazil. Andressa Anholete/Getty Images
  • In Brazil, ivermectin is a commonly prescribed anti parasitic drug.
  • Early on in the pandemic, Brazilians thought that ivermectin might also help treat and prevent COVID-19.
  • But, as one ICU doctor put it: "We Brazilians had to learn in the hardest way that ivermectin didn't work."
Brazilians used to spend around $30 a head on what they called the "kit COVID."

It was a mix of vitamins and other pills that President Jair Bolsonaro touted as early treatments for COVID-19, well before vaccines became widely available to prevent and minimize coronavirus infections.

Among the "kit" drugs were the malaria pill hydroxychloroquine and the antiparasitic tablet ivermectin.

Brazilian authorities even at one point launched an app, called TrateCov, ("TreatCov[id]" in English) which recommended the same seven "kit" drugs to all its users. (The evidence base for that protocol leaned heavily on data from Dr. Flávio Cadegiani, who's now a member of the FLCCC, a US-based ivermectin propaganda machine.)

But Brazilians quickly discovered — through heart-wrenching personal experience — the limits of treating COVID-19 with ivermectin. Brazil suffered some of its worst death rates yet in late 2020 and early 2021, even in heavily ivermectin-dosed areas, as the more transmissible P1 variant spread quickly across the country.

"Look at what happened in Brazil," Natália Taschner, a Brazilian microbiologist and research scholar at Columbia University in New York City, said. "Then wonder: if this drug worked, would Brazil be in such bad shape?"

Entire cities took ivermectin — it didn't work

A COVID-19 cemetery in Manaus, Brazil, on November 21, 2020. Michael Dantas/AFP via Getty Images
The ivermectin strategy was once so popular in Brazil that entire towns tried it out. (Ivermectin is cheap and available in pharmacies across the country.)

In July of 2020, ivermectin was available for free to all residents of Itajai, to the tune of around $826,000 USD in government spending. The Mayor of Itajai, physician Volnei Morastoni, said at that time that ivermectin was but "one more weapon in our war against the coronavirus."

As infection rates soared, some people were taking excessively high doses of the medicine every day, hoping to stave off COVID-19, but in a few rare cases that move prompted liver failure.

Other patients were unknowingly given the "kit" drugs by doctors in private hospitals instead of more standard treatments — and some of them died.

"The [ivermectin] prescription practices didn't upend the tragedy of COVID here in Brazil in terms of preventing infections, preventing hospitalizations, and then preventing deaths," Dr. Kevan Akrami, an infectious disease and critical care physician working in the northeastern city of Salvador, said. "Whether somebody was taking it or not didn't seem to have any impact on whether or not they got hospitalized or ended up dying from their COVID infection."

The use of ivermectin might have contributed to COVID deaths in other ways, researchers suspect, as some people who assumed they were well protected from infection by ivermectin tossed aside their masks.

"There was a political promotion behind it, to make people feel safe, so that they would continue with their regular life," Taschner said.

Hospitals in Manaus ran out of oxygen in January, as the area recorded one of the highest death rates in the world.

'I have cared for many patients who took ivermectin and were still in the ICU'
ICU Dr. Ana Carolina Antonio at work in Porto Alegre, Brazil, July 2021. Courtesy of Ana Antonio.
Dr. Ana Carolina Antonio, who works at a government hospital in Porto Alegre, Brazil, told Insider many of her ICU patients took ivermectin in the spring — some trying to prevent COVID-19, others "to early treat their first symptoms."

Their strategy didn't work.


In fact, Antonio estimated roughly 70% of her ICU patients admitted during the country's deadly second wave (in late 2020 and early 2021) had taken ivermectin, and "I regret to say most of those patients have died," she said.

About half of all her critically ill patients died, and 80% of ventilated patients didn't make it, regardless of whether they'd tried ivermectin.

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She called the heartbreak of the situation "indescribable."

"I've never seen so many young and previously healthy patients dying," she said. "I have already cared for many patients who took ivermectin and were still in the ICU for COVID-19."


Antonio was telling the wives of patients "my husband's age," with "children like mine," that their spouse was dead.

She worried about getting her own family sick, including her husband who wasn't a health care worker, and therefore was ineligible for vaccination at the time. (He's now vaccinated, she said.)

Brazilians now want vaccines, not more ivermectin
Brazilians protest against their president, Jair Bolsonaro, demanding vaccines and calling attention to the more than 200,000 people killed by the coronavirus in Brazil, on January 8, 2021 in Brasilia. (The current death toll from COVID-19 in the country is near 600,000). Sergio Lima/AFP via Getty Images
Attitudes about ivermectin have quickly changed in the months since then.

"In the absence of evidence, we'll try certain things," Akrami said. "But at this point in the pandemic, we really don't have any reason to continue prescribing ineffective medications for prophylaxis or treatment."


The "kit" which was once widely prescribed (and self-dosed) in Cuiaba, Macapá, Natal, and Manaus, is now being thrown out by the government. Brazil has a new health minister — a cardiologist who replaced a military general — and vaccines are more widely available.

"We've seen a huge decrease in the number of cases and the number of hospital admissions," Antonio said of the period since vaccinations began. "We Brazilians had to learn in the hardest way that ivermectin didn't work."

More than 9 in 10 Brazilians say they've been vaccinated, or intend to get their shots, according to a May 2021 poll.

"Across political divides, most people still are being rational and saying, 'I should get vaccinated to protect myself,'" Akrami said. "There's a pretty proud tradition of getting vaccinated here. It's kind of seen as like your civic duty."


Itajai Mayor Morastoni's Facebook page is peppered with celebrations of vaccine milestones in his city, and information on how and where to get vaccinated. (He hasn't mentioned ivermectin once on his page since vaccinations started being administered to health care workers in his city in January.)

"People are tired of all the lies, and the manipulation, and the promotion of miracle cures that they realize don't work," Taschner said.

It's possible ivermectin could one day play a small role in COVID-19 treatment, but it's not looking terribly promising
Indigenous Kaimbe, Vanusa Costa Santos is inoculated with the CoronaVac Sinovac Biotech COVID-19 vaccine at a hospital in Sao Paulo, Brazil, on January 17, 2021. Nelson Almeida/AFP via Getty Images
Major health agencies (including the World Health Organization and US National Institutes of Health) have yet to weigh in definitively on whether ivermectin works to prevent or treat COVID-19.

More conclusive studies are on the way, but the most recent rigorous research of ivermectin for COVID-19 doesn't look promising.


The Brazilian government has issued new protocols for COVID-19 treatment, which recommend against using ivermectin in hospitalized patients, because they say there isn't good evidence it does anything.

"It might look interesting," Antonio said, referencing studies showing that ivermectin can kill COVID-19 in a petri dish, "but in humans, you have plenty of complex pathways competing for the virus in your body."

It is still possible that, in combination with other drugs, the antiparasitic could be one item used in a multi-layered system of treatment for COVID, perhaps to speed recovery in the early stages of disease.

But other early treatment options, like Merck's new pill, appear far more promising in human trials.


Take note, US and UK
Ivermectin is used to treat animals and people. Usually, it's for deworming. AP Photo/Mike Stewart, AP Photo/Ted Warren
It is "to my surprise," Antonio said, that countries including the US and UK are "becoming crazy for" ivermectin now, with weekly prescriptions for the drug surging more than 2,300% across the US since before the pandemic, according to August data from the CDC.

"I really thought it was exclusive Brazilian stuff," she said.

When fear and frustration abound, it's tempting to put one's faith in a simple pill or a kit that promises to erase all suffering.

But "we're not snake oil salesman anymore," Akrami said.


Instead, the best medical care today is informed by rigorous research that examines which treatments actually work to improve a patient's status.

"'What's the harm?' is usually the argument," Taschner said of the common refrains given for using unproven treatments like ivermectin. "The harm is it gives people a false impression of security. It makes them feel safe when they are not safe. It drives people away from what really makes them safe, and that's vaccination."

"Take a hard look at Brazil, realistically," she said, "and then come to your own conclusions."
 

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https://www.businessinsider.com/bra...for-covid-frenzy-warning-to-us-experts-2021-9

Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
Hilary Brueck
5 hours ago


A supporter of President of Brazil Jair Bolsonaro holds a large box of box of Ivermectin at Esplanada dos Ministérios on May 15, 2021 in Brasilia, Brazil. Andressa Anholete/Getty Images
  • In Brazil, ivermectin is a commonly prescribed anti parasitic drug.
  • Early on in the pandemic, Brazilians thought that ivermectin might also help treat and prevent COVID-19.
  • But, as one ICU doctor put it: "We Brazilians had to learn in the hardest way that ivermectin didn't work."
Brazilians used to spend around $30 a head on what they called the "kit COVID."

It was a mix of vitamins and other pills that President Jair Bolsonaro touted as early treatments for COVID-19, well before vaccines became widely available to prevent and minimize coronavirus infections.

Among the "kit" drugs were the malaria pill hydroxychloroquine and the antiparasitic tablet ivermectin.

Brazilian authorities even at one point launched an app, called TrateCov, ("TreatCov[id]" in English) which recommended the same seven "kit" drugs to all its users. (The evidence base for that protocol leaned heavily on data from Dr. Flávio Cadegiani, who's now a member of the FLCCC, a US-based ivermectin propaganda machine.)

But Brazilians quickly discovered — through heart-wrenching personal experience — the limits of treating COVID-19 with ivermectin. Brazil suffered some of its worst death rates yet in late 2020 and early 2021, even in heavily ivermectin-dosed areas, as the more transmissible P1 variant spread quickly across the country.

"Look at what happened in Brazil," Natália Taschner, a Brazilian microbiologist and research scholar at Columbia University in New York City, said. "Then wonder: if this drug worked, would Brazil be in such bad shape?"

Entire cities took ivermectin — it didn't work

A COVID-19 cemetery in Manaus, Brazil, on November 21, 2020. Michael Dantas/AFP via Getty Images
The ivermectin strategy was once so popular in Brazil that entire towns tried it out. (Ivermectin is cheap and available in pharmacies across the country.)

In July of 2020, ivermectin was available for free to all residents of Itajai, to the tune of around $826,000 USD in government spending. The Mayor of Itajai, physician Volnei Morastoni, said at that time that ivermectin was but "one more weapon in our war against the coronavirus."

As infection rates soared, some people were taking excessively high doses of the medicine every day, hoping to stave off COVID-19, but in a few rare cases that move prompted liver failure.

Other patients were unknowingly given the "kit" drugs by doctors in private hospitals instead of more standard treatments — and some of them died.

"The [ivermectin] prescription practices didn't upend the tragedy of COVID here in Brazil in terms of preventing infections, preventing hospitalizations, and then preventing deaths," Dr. Kevan Akrami, an infectious disease and critical care physician working in the northeastern city of Salvador, said. "Whether somebody was taking it or not didn't seem to have any impact on whether or not they got hospitalized or ended up dying from their COVID infection."

The use of ivermectin might have contributed to COVID deaths in other ways, researchers suspect, as some people who assumed they were well protected from infection by ivermectin tossed aside their masks.

"There was a political promotion behind it, to make people feel safe, so that they would continue with their regular life," Taschner said.

Hospitals in Manaus ran out of oxygen in January, as the area recorded one of the highest death rates in the world.

'I have cared for many patients who took ivermectin and were still in the ICU'
ICU Dr. Ana Carolina Antonio at work in Porto Alegre, Brazil, July 2021. Courtesy of Ana Antonio.
Dr. Ana Carolina Antonio, who works at a government hospital in Porto Alegre, Brazil, told Insider many of her ICU patients took ivermectin in the spring — some trying to prevent COVID-19, others "to early treat their first symptoms."

Their strategy didn't work.


In fact, Antonio estimated roughly 70% of her ICU patients admitted during the country's deadly second wave (in late 2020 and early 2021) had taken ivermectin, and "I regret to say most of those patients have died," she said.

About half of all her critically ill patients died, and 80% of ventilated patients didn't make it, regardless of whether they'd tried ivermectin.

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She called the heartbreak of the situation "indescribable."

"I've never seen so many young and previously healthy patients dying," she said. "I have already cared for many patients who took ivermectin and were still in the ICU for COVID-19."


Antonio was telling the wives of patients "my husband's age," with "children like mine," that their spouse was dead.

She worried about getting her own family sick, including her husband who wasn't a health care worker, and therefore was ineligible for vaccination at the time. (He's now vaccinated, she said.)

Brazilians now want vaccines, not more ivermectin
Brazilians protest against their president, Jair Bolsonaro, demanding vaccines and calling attention to the more than 200,000 people killed by the coronavirus in Brazil, on January 8, 2021 in Brasilia. (The current death toll from COVID-19 in the country is near 600,000). Sergio Lima/AFP via Getty Images
Attitudes about ivermectin have quickly changed in the months since then.

"In the absence of evidence, we'll try certain things," Akrami said. "But at this point in the pandemic, we really don't have any reason to continue prescribing ineffective medications for prophylaxis or treatment."


The "kit" which was once widely prescribed (and self-dosed) in Cuiaba, Macapá, Natal, and Manaus, is now being thrown out by the government. Brazil has a new health minister — a cardiologist who replaced a military general — and vaccines are more widely available.

"We've seen a huge decrease in the number of cases and the number of hospital admissions," Antonio said of the period since vaccinations began. "We Brazilians had to learn in the hardest way that ivermectin didn't work."

More than 9 in 10 Brazilians say they've been vaccinated, or intend to get their shots, according to a May 2021 poll.

"Across political divides, most people still are being rational and saying, 'I should get vaccinated to protect myself,'" Akrami said. "There's a pretty proud tradition of getting vaccinated here. It's kind of seen as like your civic duty."


Itajai Mayor Morastoni's Facebook page is peppered with celebrations of vaccine milestones in his city, and information on how and where to get vaccinated. (He hasn't mentioned ivermectin once on his page since vaccinations started being administered to health care workers in his city in January.)

"People are tired of all the lies, and the manipulation, and the promotion of miracle cures that they realize don't work," Taschner said.

It's possible ivermectin could one day play a small role in COVID-19 treatment, but it's not looking terribly promising
Indigenous Kaimbe, Vanusa Costa Santos is inoculated with the CoronaVac Sinovac Biotech COVID-19 vaccine at a hospital in Sao Paulo, Brazil, on January 17, 2021. Nelson Almeida/AFP via Getty Images
Major health agencies (including the World Health Organization and US National Institutes of Health) have yet to weigh in definitively on whether ivermectin works to prevent or treat COVID-19.

More conclusive studies are on the way, but the most recent rigorous research of ivermectin for COVID-19 doesn't look promising.


The Brazilian government has issued new protocols for COVID-19 treatment, which recommend against using ivermectin in hospitalized patients, because they say there isn't good evidence it does anything.

"It might look interesting," Antonio said, referencing studies showing that ivermectin can kill COVID-19 in a petri dish, "but in humans, you have plenty of complex pathways competing for the virus in your body."

It is still possible that, in combination with other drugs, the antiparasitic could be one item used in a multi-layered system of treatment for COVID, perhaps to speed recovery in the early stages of disease.

But other early treatment options, like Merck's new pill, appear far more promising in human trials.


Take note, US and UK
Ivermectin is used to treat animals and people. Usually, it's for deworming. AP Photo/Mike Stewart, AP Photo/Ted Warren
It is "to my surprise," Antonio said, that countries including the US and UK are "becoming crazy for" ivermectin now, with weekly prescriptions for the drug surging more than 2,300% across the US since before the pandemic, according to August data from the CDC.

"I really thought it was exclusive Brazilian stuff," she said.

When fear and frustration abound, it's tempting to put one's faith in a simple pill or a kit that promises to erase all suffering.

But "we're not snake oil salesman anymore," Akrami said.


Instead, the best medical care today is informed by rigorous research that examines which treatments actually work to improve a patient's status.

"'What's the harm?' is usually the argument," Taschner said of the common refrains given for using unproven treatments like ivermectin. "The harm is it gives people a false impression of security. It makes them feel safe when they are not safe. It drives people away from what really makes them safe, and that's vaccination."

"Take a hard look at Brazil, realistically," she said, "and then come to your own conclusions."
Yo ! not to belabor the point but i think u should just post this as its own thread and live it there,
 

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Bro they're all hate filled. So many phobias and -ists. Imagine standing your ground for something, then when questioned, you can't eloquently express your position, but instead resort anger...they are the problem
Anger is carcinogenic. It's the staple of their DNA. Imagine being told having to bathe. I would burn this planet too if someone had to teach me the benefits of washing the skin.
 

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The dumb have a million ways to kill themselves. All I'm thinking about are the black families who feel inadequate around black people so much they seek out the communities of the people who ingest bleach and are goofy enough to sip on betadine.

Most of those people, it's not even that. It's just listening to the wrong religious figures.

I used to know someone who is now big in the whole Qanon/SESARA bit. Half-Jamaican, pretty normal Black woman, until her mom got sick and died. She got into religion heavy after that and eventually just got into all by listening to the wrong sermons or something. She was extremely turned out on the whole idea that Trump was put here by God to wipe out all debt and how the Democratic party is a bunch of pedophiles and so on.

I kept my mouth shut until the evening of January 6th when she tried to flip it that ANTIFA was responsible for all of it, she cut off all contact with me after that. This is after daily posts and comments that would have had you believe that the rapture was happening that day. The few people who still occasionally see her just shake their heads on how brainwashed and bible thumping she has gotten. If she's not 200% on the ivermectin train right now she's probably on the opinion that prayer and faith will protect you and the only people dying from it are people who don't believe in god.
 

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Most of those people, it's not even that. It's just listening to the wrong religious figures.

I used to know someone who is now big in the whole Qanon/SESARA bit. Half-Jamaican, pretty normal Black woman, until her mom got sick and died. She got into religion heavy after that and eventually just got into all by listening to the wrong sermons or something. She was extremely turned out on the whole idea that Trump was put here by God to wipe out all debt and how the Democratic party is a bunch of pedophiles and so on.

I kept my mouth shut until the evening of January 6th when she tried to flip it that ANTIFA was responsible for all of it, she cut off all contact with me after that. This is after daily posts and comments that would have had you believe that the rapture was happening that day. The few people who still occasionally see her just shake their heads on how brainwashed and bible thumping she has gotten. If she's not 200% on the ivermectin train right now she's probably on the opinion that prayer and faith will protect you and the only people dying from it are people who don't believe in god.
Good for her. I became a shitty human being because my mom died argument doesn't work for that wack rapper and it doesn't move me for her.
 

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My cousin Jerome (not an Emmy award winner) was also double vaccinated many months ago for covid, but tested positive for it in early September. He had a minor cough that lasted approximately two days and has since made a full recovery, testing negative three weeks in a row. He also has MS. I'm not sure how the NYP missed his story.
 

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“He was double vaccinated and had no underlying health conditions, according to his agency Curtis Brown.”
Most people not saying he did have medical conditions they don't tell anyone about it out of pride or just not wanting people to petty them it's just how people are. The whole vaccine narrative has been gone side wayz peoples deaths still won't wake people up.
 

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Hospitals get rid of their dumbest 1% of employees using this ONE CRAZY HACK.

Vaccine mandates are the greatest way to root out the idiots in your workplace.

They'll scurry out from their hiding holes and you know now who the most toxic and mostly stupid members of your workforce are and get rid of them, saving expenditure and improving efficiency and the morale of the rest of your employees who were probably sick of them anyways.

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