Tariq Nasheed's Buck Breaking: Official Film Trailer.

This is the same non sense I get from folks when discussing this. I always tell people to look at reality. The sun feeds us all, it does not like one race over the other. It protects us all. Black people can get burned by the sun too and should wear sun screen when it's needed.


I dont know what you are talkin about.. I never got burned in the sun, and I be bathing hard in that bitch for hours, when

I go to the islands... with zero sun screen, I be loungin in that bitch fuck an umbrella,

my skin literally be glowing, radiant... have a knigga glowin in the dark....

facts!!

I aint hatin.wid da facts.. Im just debatin wit da facts
 
No, you brought up that point. I responded to your answer to Mr. Met when he asked you how Spike Lee gets money for his films. You gave an answer regarding Malcolm X, one movie out of the dozens of movies Spike's made. It was an answer that supported the narrative you already had been drawing up in defense of how Tariq finances his films. Had that not been the case, then you'd have not cherrypicked Malcolm X and you would have mentioned that in addition to the financial assistance Spike sought from prominent people, his film was primarily financed by the studio and secondarily out of his own pockets. Instead, I pointed it out.

So...I now "concede that (this) is a false and invalid argument"? No. You are conceding the argument that you were making is false and invalid. I said your comparison was apples and oranges several posts back.

In my response to that post I said:

I never said it wasn't ok to crowdsource projects. That's your straw man argument.
My brother you are wrong. If both producers are receiving donations to complete a project, how is that apples to oranges. You know that is a false equivalence. You brought up contributing personal funds, I did not. Neither I nor you know if Mr. Nasheed does or not. This is the basis for your argument, you believe Mr. Nasheed should contribute his own funds. I do not believe a person needs to contribute their own funds. You have not said anything of substance to validate why a person " must" contribute his or her personal funds. Your disagreement with Mr. Nasheed's methods is personal and not rooted in logic or and legal precedent.
 
I dont know what you are talkin about.. I never got burned in the sun, and I be bathing hard in that bitch for hours, when

I go to the islands... with zero sun screen, I be loungin in that bitch fuck an umbrella,

my skin literally be glowing, radiant... have a knigga glowin in the dark....

facts!!

I aint hatin.wid da facts.. Im just debatin wit da facts
You ain’t the only black person in the world either.

Read this:
 
You ain’t the only black person in the world either.

Read this:

Fuck that, they just dont want the god race to get them cosmic codes,

they cosmic code cock blocking..

fuckin haters
 
Whatever dude.
On some real stuff, we can not begin to share the false and harmful narrative that melanated people need to avoid absorbing the nurturing rays of the sun. It is therapeutic for us. There are proven health benefits. Many melanated people have had their DNA tainted by interbreeding with the Caucasoid. However, this should not deter the hue-man from remaining connecting to his primary energy source.
 
On some real stuff, we can not begin to share the false and harmful narrative that melanated people need to avoid absorbing the nurturing rays of the sun. It is therapeutic for us. There are proven health benefits. Many melanated people have had their DNA tainted by interbreeding with the Caucasoid. However, this should not deter the hue-man from remaining connecting to his primary energy source.
You’re not making any sense.
 
Will you cut it with all this god race talk, there is no such thing as a god race. We were all made equal by the creator. No person of any color is more superior than any other person.
No we were created equal by the annunaki for the sole purpose of mining gold because them aliens were to gotdamn lazy to mine it themselves
 
The subject matter is not unique - it gets talked about ad nauseam all over the place - including BGOL. It's so un-unique that non- scholar, non-intellectual personalities are so known for talking about it in the community that their inclusion as pundits worthy of being listened to on this so-called "important" topic is seen as totally ok. It's not unique. It's certainly not being treated as if it is important by the producer and his fans.

Post a link of another Documentary on the subject. Or even a major media article.
 
CACs would be in line with the everyday divide and conquer shit Tariq has promoted over the last few years. Shitting on the Black Lives Matter Movement while not getting his own hands dirty in any way to alleviate the problem of police violence against Black folks- or any issues plaguing our community for that matter, advising Black people not to vote in spite of an organized agenda to deny us our votes. And it goes on and on.

Yes. WHO Tariq is plays into it. In addition to what I already mentioned, he has tended towards anti-intellectualism. He has not provided receipts for his wildest claims and does not promote analytical research.

Yes, the subject matter of this film is unique and perhaps important. I agree with you. There's also scholarly information on the subject that is readily available starting with a simple google search.

In our culture we need men and women who research for themselves, don't fall prey to confirmation bias, who read, who share reading lists. We don't need to be raising up a culture of followers who listen to spoken opinion sans receipts and take it as law.

In all likelihood, Tariq does not have the credibility to get any better than the "experts" in his films. A rapper, a comedian, internet talking heads? Really? This, and his habit of making enemies and burning bridges and shitting on Black people smarter and more successful than himself contribute to his not being able to do better in terms of finding participants. It's not about people not wanting to take risks. It's because folks with credibility don't want to fuck with him.

If people say they want to see his films, I don't take issue with that. I hope they enjoy it and find something useful in the experience. I'd never tell someone not to check out his films. Different perspectives are good nourishment to the discourse. I would hope that they would supplement whatever they see in his films with their own analysis and research as well.

But for those who are so sensitive they can't take someone saying something about Tariq and someone not wanting to fuck with him or his product? I'm sure Tariq doesn't need virtual bodyguards.
I stopped reading after you mentioned BLM. They should be a subject in the Documentary.
 
Post a link of another Documentary on the subject. Or even a major media article.
I asked @Charlemagne this same question a few days ago. Radio Silence. To be honest, I am not attacking him nor do I blame him for not wanting to engage in this part of our history. As I was dropping my boys off at school on my way to work, I had them repeat 20 times that "Black history is American history." Black folk have to internalize this!!! We can not selectively choose to omit parts of our history, American history, just because it is painful. If we do not educate ourselves and more importantly our future generations regarding atrocities that transpired against us, then soon kidnapped Africans who were living as free people as well as the kidnapped black native Americans who were incorrectly reassigned as African will all be reduced to being called immigrants, thus absolving white people of their crimes and guilt.

Buck breaking is a tough conversation to have. But it was real and has had dire consequences on all following generations. Though buck breaking is not sexual in its current form, it has now manifested into a more complex scheme to emasculate black men to continue the destruction of the black family. This is not a conspiracy theory, you can research this within the FBI's files that have been made public due to the freedom of information act.

Black history is American history and I will teach and share all of it, the good and the bad.
 
Oh really?? Please share some of the numerous posts and threads on BGOL that discusses this. Additionally, please show me any documentaries, movies, etc that discuss this matter.


Post a link of another Documentary on the subject. Or even a major media article.
I had another response lined up. but then i read @Tito_Jackson 's latest response when he makes specific mention of "Buck Breaking" as a tough conversation. I realized that we may be referencing 2 different, but related ideas. if we are talking specifically about "Buck Breaking", no. That is not necessarily a subject that gets talked about ad nauseam, here, or anywhere else.

While the term used by the documentrary is indeed buck breaking, the idea i took away from it, based on a number of cues - visual, verbal, subtext, and messengers, is that it was at its basis, a documentary about the "gay agenda" attacking Black masculinity. Right or wrong, that's how i took it and that's what i was speaking to. Read into that what you may.

I could actually provide links to articles and blog posts, and podcasts, and vlogs about buck breaking, but what numbers or articles is enough? 3 or 300? which sources and platforms are valid? does an academic journal article outweigh a Black Nationalist's video debate? All of those things are subjective.


You all think it's an important and unique topic. I do not.
 
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My brother you are wrong. If both producers are receiving donations to complete a project, how is that apples to oranges. You know that is a false equivalence. You brought up contributing personal funds, I did not. Neither I nor you know if Mr. Nasheed does or not. This is the basis for your argument, you believe Mr. Nasheed should contribute his own funds. I do not believe a person needs to contribute their own funds. You have not said anything of substance to validate why a person " must" contribute his or her personal funds. Your disagreement with Mr. Nasheed's methods is personal and not rooted in logic or and legal precedent.
Correct. I did bring up Spike Lee's contributing personal funds. When you were asked how Spike Lee financed his films, you disingenuously cherrypicked Malcolm X and mentioned ONLY his accepting donations- as if it paid for the entirety of that film.

That omission supported the narrative you already were creating when you were talking about Tariq crowdsourcing his film, before I stepped into the finances conversation.

If that wasn't the case and you were being honest you would have told the other ways it was financed as well, which included the studio initially paying for Malcolm X, along with Spike paying out of pocket two-thirds of his salary.

I did you that solid. No charge.

The apples and oranges is that Tariq paid for his film exclusively through user donations of everyday people. That's what he's done with every film he's put out. Whereas the bulk of Spike's film was paid for by the studio, secondarily by Spike and then when the studio refused to fund it anymore unless it was shortened, as a last resort, he reached out to his celebrity multimillionaire friends to complete his project.

If you knew what a false equivalence was, you'd know that your comparison between Spike's film financing and Tariq's was exactly that.

If you don't see the distinct differences between how Spike paid for Malcolm X and Tariq paid for buck-breaking, you're being deliberately obtuse.

Glad you don't believe a filmmaker needs to contribute their own personal funds to their project. I never said they did. I never said I disagreed with Tariq's methods of obtaining money for his movies, I didn't say he should pay from his own pockets for his films either. That's your words. You've been putting a lot of words into my mouth that I didn't say in your last posts.

You're not doing very well, Tito Jackson. lol
 
I had another response lined up. but then i read @Tito_Jackson 's latest response when he makes specific mention of "Buck Breaking" as a tough conversation. I realized that we may be referencing 2 different, but related ideas. if we are talking specifically about "Buck Breaking", no. That is not necessarily a subject that gets talked about ad nauseam, here, or anywhere else.

While the term used by the documentrary is indeed buck breaking, the idea i took away from it, based on a number of cues - visual, verbal, subtext, and messengers, is that it was at its basis, a documentary about the "gay agenda" attacking Black masculinity. Right or wrong, that's how i took it and that's what i was speaking to. Read into that what you may.

I could actually provide links to articles and blog posts, and podcasts, and vlogs about buck breaking, but what numbers or articles is enough? 3 or 300? which sources and platforms are valid? does an academic journal article outweigh a Black Nationalist's video debate? All of those things are subjective.


You all think it's an important and unique topic. I do not.
Agreed.
 
I had another response lined up. but then i read @Tito_Jackson 's latest response when he makes specific mention of "Buck Breaking" as a tough conversation. I realized that we may be referencing 2 different, but related ideas. if we are talking specifically about "Buck Breaking", no. That is not necessarily a subject that gets talked about ad nauseam, here, or anywhere else.

While the term used by the documentrary is indeed buck breaking, the idea i took away from it, based on a number of cues - visual, verbal, subtext, and messengers, is that it was at its basis, a documentary about the "gay agenda" attacking Black masculinity. Right or wrong, that's how i took it and that's what i was speaking to. Read into that what you may.

I could actually provide links to articles and blog posts, and podcasts, and vlogs about buck breaking, but what numbers or articles is enough? 3 or 300? which sources and platforms are valid? does an academic journal article outweigh a Black Nationalist's video debate? All of those things are subjective.


You all think it's an important and unique topic. I do not.

I can get why you might not be interested, but I don’t get why you would discourage us that are interested.
 
Our eyes show us the 10% percent, hence why we saw the massive protesting last year.

The 2020 elections were about improving the 90% (at least that was my intention). Hopefully, this new admin can ease this up some.
Right. We need to have many eyes. We were burdened with having a genuine fascist in office who literally declared war on the protestors. Imagine the difference in response by the presidential administration, if we would have had a sensible Head of State.

I agree with you about the elections being about improving the 90%. We've got to make sure to push this president to live up to his promises and we have to make sure to push him to work in our interests.
 
Tell the truth brother, please do not change or augment my position to fit your narrative. My quote:
Spike Lee solicited donations from various black entertainers to finance the Malcolm X film.

Bill Cosby, Oprah, Magic, Jordan, and many others.
Nowhere in that statement did I say anything about additional funds or other methods of financing. It is akin to me saying "Hey @respiration received a business grant to open his tech shop." This statement does not make any additional assumptions. You could have paid for most of the items, bought all of the computers, and only needed the grant for monitors or the property lease. Conversely, you could have used the grant to finance the entire project. None of that matters. The point is, you received a grant to finance the project.
Correct. I did bring up Spike Lee's contributing personal funds. When you were asked how Spike Lee financed his films, you disingenuously cherrypicked Malcolm X and mentioned ONLY his accepting donations- as if it paid for the entirety of that film.
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Again, your mistake is that you are making an assumption or creating a false conclusion. This is a text book example of a Straw Man Fallacy. I never inferred as you stated:
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it paid for the entirety of that film.
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Nor did I ever lead anyone to believe that. You created that false narrative in an effort to keep from acknowledging that Tariq and Spike used similar methods to produce their projects.

Furthermore, how is it disingenuous to state a fact that you yourself also validated? Spike Lee solicited donations to complete the Malcolm X film. This is a fact that you acknowledge. You then began to attempt to qualify the statement by adding, But but...."Spike Lee used his own money." This is a true statement, but it in no way disqualifies the original premise, Spike Lee solicited donations for the film. It's like saying, "They both cheated on the test, but he also studied for the test." Studying doesn't matter, you still cheated. It doesn't matter that Spike received funds from the studio and also used his own money, he solicited funds to finance the film. That was the point, everything else is superfluous information. And as you conceded, neither you nor I can state for a fact if Tariq used any of his own funds or not.
Glad you don't believe a filmmaker needs to contribute their own personal funds to their project. I never said they did. I never said I disagreed with Tariq's methods of obtaining money for his movies, I didn't say he should pay from his own pockets for his films either.
This point I do acknowledge. I mistakenly mistook someone else's words as being your words.

Let me end with this. Do not allow my defense of financing options for projects and support of black history projects be misconstrued as admiration for Mr. Nasheed. He is a lame. I do not like how he conducts himself on his live feeds and engages in petty feuds online. It's childish. However, I have always subscribed to the philosophy of not discarding a message due to the flaws of the messenger. In today's culture, this is now the norm.

I don't like the person, so anything they say and do is bullshit. This frame of thinking is harmful to all of society.
 
Agents heavy in this bitch.
I was on the run wit my 2 young buls - teaching them the game. How to get this schmoney. How to fuck these bitches, mayne. I had been movin weight for this Haitian cat they called Goat. Short for Manigault. Old head haitian. Made his bones slashin necks in the eighties in Miami. Cocaine cowboy type nigga. They kilt that nigga. So, i had to bounce. One night on some young head shit, one of the young buls shot the other and I was just tired of running and said fuck it. I just let them arrest me, right there in the fancy restaurant. White man, cia type nigga came to me and said. "listen. i can get you out of this, but you're gonna have to do something for me. we need you to join this message board. you know. join. share some videos. make some comments. do that shit for 15 or 16 years. then, one day, when a leader rises up and makes a documentary about buck breaking, we want you to insert some logic and perspective into the conversation. Talk about the credibility of the participants and how you are leery and wary of them." I was like. "ok!". That's how they got me.
 
Tell the truth brother, please do not change or augment my position to fit your narrative. My quote:

Nowhere in that statement did I say anything about additional funds or other methods of financing. It is akin to me saying "Hey @respiration received a business grant to open his tech shop." This statement does not make any additional assumptions. You could have paid for most of the items, bought all of the computers, and only needed the grant for monitors or the property lease. Conversely, you could have used the grant to finance the entire project. None of that matters. The point is, you received a grant to finance the project.

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Again, your mistake is that you are making an assumption or creating a false conclusion. This is a text book example of a Straw Man Fallacy. I never inferred as you stated:
it paid for the entirety of that film.
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Nor did I ever lead anyone to believe that. You created that false narrative in an effort to keep from acknowledging that Tariq and Spike used similar methods to produce their projects.
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No. I supplemented your Fallacy of Omission by posting the facts you left out of that exchange.
, how is it disingenuous to state a fact that you yourself also validated? Spike Lee solicited donations to complete the Malcolm X film. This is a fact that you acknowledge. You then began to attempt to qualify the statement by adding, But but...."Spike Lee used his own money." This is a true statement, but it in no way disqualifies the original premise, Spike Lee solicited donations for the film. It's like saying, "They both cheated on the test, but he also studied for the test." Studying doesn't matter, you still cheated. It doesn't matter that Spike received funds from the studio and also used his own money, he solicited funds to finance the film. That was the point, everything else is superfluous information.
LOL What kind of comparison is that? Donald Trump and Spike Lee both have arms and legs and breathe air. That doesn't make them the same person. I feel like you're playing games. I've specifically pointed out ad nauseam the differences between how those two men went about paying for those film projects. Again, Mr. Met asked you about how Spike finances his films (plural) and you not only gave an incomplete answer that didn't entail the collective of movies he made, but you also didn't post the rest of the story of the financing of the singular movie you cherrypicked.

as you conceded, neither you nor I can state for a fact if Tariq used any of his own funds or not.
I never conceded that. All we know is what information was put out there. Tariq many times spoke of how his films are paid for. I've never heard him say anything about coming out of his own pocket. Spike has publicly spoken of how "Malcolm X" was paid for, including how he paid into the project.
point I do acknowledge. I mistakenly mistook someone else's words as being your words.
I appreciate that, brother. No harm, no foul.

Let me end with this. Do not allow my defense of financing options for projects and support of black history projects be misconstrued as admiration for Mr. Nasheed. He is a lame. I do not like how he conducts himself on his live feeds and engages in petty feuds online. It's childish. However, I have always subscribed to the philosophy of not discarding a message due to the flaws of the messenger. In today's culture, this is now the norm.

I don't like the person, so anything they say and do is bullshit. This frame of thinking is harmful to all of society.
Thank you for the clarification. We agree on how we regard TN. In my case, I also strongly dislike how he misinforms and tells outright lies in his podcasts and on social media and how it all too often echoes the same discredit and divide and conquer talking points and strategies of the white right wing establishment. I hear you on what you are saying about not discarding the message due to the flaws of the messenger. I just feel like it's more nuanced than that, bro. If I see the person who is disseminating the information is shaky and often times disingenuous, I'm going to seek out other sources of information on the same topic that come from scholarly and/or journalistically sound places and from honest actors.

In conclusion, I have no problem at all with how Tariq gets the money to pay for the movies he makes. Often-times those films are kind of rough around the edges, but at least when his followers donate to those projects, Tariq provides the product he said he'd deliver to them, unlike Umar.
 
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