Joe Biden should select a progressive woman for VP, not Stacey Abrams

[forcesteeler]

Dude was posting Sean Hannity yesterday

I listen to all news. Search my name in impeachment threads When I was telling cats that it will fail. They called me a trump supporter?

Im opening minded, I like to listen to both Democratic and Republican Talking Points. Unlike Most Niggas on BGOL that only listen to democratic talking points and then look like a fool when time and time again I was proven right. The reason why is because I listen 2 both sides and I know how to filter out the garbage. Too many people live in a bubble.

 

[Spectrum]

I listen to all news. Search my name in impeachment threads When I was telling cats that it will fail. They called me a trump supporter?

How did it fail? The Senate wasn't going to convict him even if they had video evidence of his crimes because the GOP is wildly corrupt right now. It wasn't about the end result. It was about doing what needed to be done to a lawless POTUS. If they had not impeached him, they'd gotten voted out by dems in 2020. He had to be impeached even though he wouldn't be removed. Dems weren't going to accept Congress abdicated their responsibilities.

Trump's favorable ratings are still in the gutter. He didn't win anything from impeachment beyond confirming what he already knew (that GOP senators would no bail on him).

Im opening minded, I like to listen to both Democratic and Republican Talking Points. Unlike Most Niggas on BGOL that only listen to democratic talking points and then look like a fool when time and time again I was proven right. The reason why is because I listen 2 both sides and I know how to filter out the garbage. Too many people live in a bubble.

I read republican sites every single day (and been doing it for several years redstate, fox news, breitbart). There is a difference between reading multiple news sources and relentlessly parroting right-wing misinformation (which is what you do). I know where you get the talking points from because I read the sources.

Hannity is an entertainment. He doesn't provide news.

 

[forcesteeler]

How did it fail? The Senate wasn't going to convict him even if they had video evidence of his crimes because the GOP is wildly corrupt right now. It wasn't about the end result. It was about doing what needed to be done to a lawless POTUS. If they had not impeached him, they'd gotten voted out by dems in 2020. He had to be impeached even though he wouldn't be removed. Dems weren't going to accept Congress abdicated their responsibilities.

Trump's favorable ratings are still in the gutter. He didn't win anything from impeachment beyond confirming what he already knew (that GOP senators would no bail on him).



I read republican sites every single day (and been doing it for several years redstate, fox news, breitbart). There is a difference between reading multiple news sources and relentlessly parroting right-wing misinformation (which is what you do). I know where you get the talking points from because I read the sources.

Hannity is an entertainment. He doesn't provide news.

Like I said before. Give me a reason why your voting for Joe Biden without mention trump.

That will not win election just being the I’m not trump vote for him. It did not work for Hilary.

But like impeachment, after the election I will be proven right again and then the democrats can bitch and complain for another 4 years when they could of fix the problem and get a real Candiate that can actually campaign then sitting in his basement

 

[forcesteeler]

Someone who posts a video of Tim Pool is both stupid, and disingenuous

Both sides have a story and at the end of day politics is like a religion.

People are ok with bullshit as long as it fits there ideology.

You have trump supporters, most of them redneck and poor believes a billionaire like trump really cares about them. When all of his policies are geared to the rich. He still has not bring back manufacturing jobs like he promised.

You have democrats letting the media brainwash them into thinking Joe Biden is a good candidate when the guy is clearly senile and can’t even put 2 sentences together. They have to hide him in a basement for fear the public will find out how awful his dementia is getting.

 

[yureeka9]

How could she appeal to a race she wasn't in? She didn't make it to South Carolina. No one gives a damn about Clyburn in Iowa. When she attacked Biden, that was a wrap for her with white voters..especially older white voters. You can't make it to the South Carolina primaries without strong white vote support. The whole process (starting with Iowa) leans towards candidates that appeal to white voters. It's also why Bernie came out strong early
and then got washed later.

Not really a fan of Kamala but shit had nothing to do with lack of black support. That debate where she attacked Biden did her in... everyone understimated how much support biden truly had.

I think, ultimately her failure was a combination of all of the above. I'm a black man and ALL the black people (men and women) that I know personally, have said that the bitch was done as soon as she started showcasing her white husband. Whether she had or hadn't fucked up with Biden and actually made it to South Carolina, her goose was cooked as soon as she stepped below the Mason/Dixon line. We can all speculate on the why's, how's and what if's but the bottom line is that the voters (black and white) found something about her that was disingenuous and I agree with them.

 

[Spectrum]

Like I said before. Give me a reason why your voting for Joe Biden without mention trump.

You don't need to mention Trump's name to vote for any Dem candidate. The GOP has a history (3 straight presidents) of ruining a great economy they got handed to them. A vote for Biden, if nothing else, is a vote for a responsible POTUS who won't ruin the economy... actually a vote for Biden to recover another ruined economy by the GOP. A vote for Biden is a return to government that isn't built completely on self-delaing. A vote for Biden is a vote a trusted leader where we can rebuild our partnership with the international community.

Your whole posting history is nothing but pro-GOP talking points.

 

[Spectrum]

I think, ultimately her failure was a combination of all of the above. I'm a black man and ALL the black people (men and women) that I know personally, have said that the bitch was done as soon as she started showcasing her white husband.

Using all your friends really isn't a good way to view it. None of my friends cared. See how that works? It's anecdotal.

Whether she had or hadn't fucked up with Biden and actually made it to South Carolina, her goose was cooked as soon as she stepped below the Mason/Dixon line. We can all speculate on the why's, how's and what if's but the bottom line is that the voters (black and white) found something about her that was disingenuous and I agree with them.

That wasn't your original argument though. You've changed your argument.

I don't think she stood a real chance to win. I honestly don't think any women stood a chance at the top. The Dems weren't going to send a woman at the top of the ticket in back to back elections because they didn't believe that gave them to best chance to win.

I personally thought Warren was so much better than anyone else and even she didn't stand a chance... when you look at the exit poll data, it's clear dem voters didn't think a woman could win. They're confusing correlation with causation because of Hillary's defeat.

I'm not quite sure what it was about Kamala that doesn't work for me. She's actually one of the brightest of the bunch... easily the best debater out of the bunch (not shocking considering her background)... but she feels like her next move is to be AG and not VP. That's just me though...

She did have some momentum before the battle with Biden and I'm sure a white person and definitely a man could have taken a similar approach and gotten away with it... media went to the Angry Black Woman narrative on her real quick.

She has a lot of black fans man... especially black woman... there are a lot of powerful black political voices who are making the case for her as the only choice... I'm not buying it but they make their case that she's the only one that can get the base out (black votes in swing states) to the numbers you need to wash the GOP out.

I think Stacy gets way more love from black people but she's just too green and she's coming off a close but losing race in Georgia..not feeling it..

 

[yureeka9]

Using all your friends really isn't a good way to view it. None of my friends cared. See how that works? It's anecdotal.



That wasn't your original argument though. You've changed your argument.

I don't think she stood a real chance to win. I honestly don't think any women stood a chance at the top. The Dems weren't going to send a woman at the top of the ticket in back to back elections because they didn't believe that gave them to best chance to win.

I personally thought Warren was so much better than anyone else and even she didn't stand a chance... when you look at the exit poll data, it's clear dem voters didn't think a woman could win. They're confusing correlation with causation because of Hillary's defeat.

Original argument was "she can't win because black men won't support her". That's true in addition to some of the other points you made. Just because you're right, doesn't mean I'm wrong. Both arguments for her demise can be true.

 

[Spectrum]

Original argument was "she can't win because black men won't support her". That's true in addition to some of the other points you made. Just because you're right, doesn't mean I'm wrong. Both arguments for her demise can be true.

I didn't say you were wrong. I was saying that the argument was different (you went to her being a failed candidate in the second one as opposed as opposed to her just not getting the black vote). Black support or not, she wasn't making it to South Carolina
without white voters and the polling data showed they ran from her after the biden incident. I studied it deeply because I was trying
to understand why her campaign failed.

 

[yureeka9]

I didn't say you were wrong. I was saying that the argument was different (you went to her being a failed candidate in the second one as opposed as opposed to her just not getting the black vote). Black support or not, she wasn't making it to South Carolina
without white voters and the polling data showed they ran from her after the biden incident. I studied it deeply because I was trying
to understand why her campaign failed.

I agree. I think history will show bad timing and a failure to resonate with people (for a variety of reasons) as the bottom line for Senator Harris.

 

[Spectrum]

I agree. I think history will show bad timing and a failure to resonate with people (for a variety of reasons) as the bottom line for Senator Harris.

I really don't like to judge people and grade their blackness and shit, but she always felt like a "black" candidate and not a black candidate. It's kind of fucked up to say, but that's how I always took her. Apparently though, lots of black women love her and they're arguing hard for her to get that VP slot.

 

[Rembrandt Brown]

Kamala's voting record is actually more progressive than Warren's. Kamala has a branding issue. I would be fine with Warren as VP if she wasn't so old. I don't like the idea of putting old ass Joe at the top knowing he can't do two terms and then putting another 70+ year old on the ticket...and Warren was my favorite candidate

ProgressivePunch: Senate Members by score / All issues

ProgressivePunch is a searchable database of Congressional voting records, from a Progressive perspective.

progressivepunch.org

The idea that Harris is the second furthest senator is laughable and indicative of a faulty measuring system. Just coming up with an algorithm doesn't make whatever it spits out true.

 

[forcesteeler]

You don't need to mention Trump's name to vote for any Dem candidate. The GOP has a history (3 straight presidents) of ruining a great economy they got handed to them. A vote for Biden, if nothing else, is a vote for a responsible POTUS who won't ruin the economy... actually a vote for Biden to recover another ruined economy by the GOP. A vote for Biden is a return to government that isn't built completely on self-delaing. A vote for Biden is a vote a trusted leader where we can rebuild our partnership with the international community.

Your whole posting history is nothing but pro-GOP talking points.

How is Biden going to fix a economy when he barely knows where he is. The dude belongs in a retirement home not being president.

Don’t know why the democrats prop up Joe Biden for him to get murdered in the debates. That’s if they will hold debates. I don’t think the democrats are that stupid.

 

[Spectrum]

The idea that Harris is the second furthest senator is laughable and indicative of a faulty measuring system. Just coming up with an algorithm doesn't make whatever it spits out true.

Votes and policy are pretty straightforward. Hate to burst your bubble, but despite the rhetoric, her voting record is more progressive than your guy. How you vote matters. And it's not just one method that ranks her that high. She was literally known nearly 20 years ago as a progressive prosecutor. History aside, and despite where she ending up on various sides of criminal justice decisions before hitting the Senate, she votes more progressive than any other presidential candidate.

 

[Spectrum]

How is Biden going to fix a economy when he barely knows where he is. The dude belongs in a retirement home not being president.

if Biden needs to be in a retirement home, Trump should be euthanized over this frontal lobe dementia

 

[forcesteeler]

if Biden needs to be in a retirement home, Trump should be euthanized over this frontal lobe dementia

I study a lot of history. Election 2020 feels like election of 1984. The talking points is almost identical that it’s scary. Nice video clip on why the democrats have not learned anything

 

[TheAlias]

This is the Democrats' problem...right here in this thread; identity politics.
This is the failure of the democratic brand.
It needs to be a woman. She needs to be black. She needs experience. blah, blah, blah.
Democrats won't take the right path to victory to save their lives.

American politics is identity politics, period. They're inextricable.

Seems like the only people who don't realize that is black folks.

 

[Spectrum]

I study a lot of history. Election 2020 feels like election of 1984. The talking points is almost identical that it’s scary. Nice video clip on why the democrats have not learned anything

Post me ONE poll that ever had Mondale ahead at any point during the GE... one? You're a walking right-wing talking about. It's like you're posting all the stuff they post on their sites to make themselves feel like they aren't in as bad of a position as they really are.

And I'm sure that Reagan's growing economy and lowering unemployment rate is so congruent to the current situation of possibly 40% negative growth for Q2 and 40M unemployed. Stupid You're reaching for anything you can find to help you out without the ability to even under the context of it. That example hurts you. It doesn't help you.

 

[TheAlias]

That governor from Michigan Gretchen Whitmer might get a long look.

Her thick ass can get it everyday of the week.

 

[MistaPhantastic]

American politics is identity politics, period. They're inextricable.

Seems like the only people who don't realize that is black folks.

So what you are implying is that black people don't have the critical and analytical thinking skills to be able to distinguish between being pandered to, socially constricted and shamed into only seeing identity, and recognizing social conditions and ideals that best represent them as well as everyone else around them and applying that analysis to candidates' claims and then voting accordingly.
I beg to differ. Speak for your damn self. The illusion of said inextricability is what keeps us stuck in this two-party system. People choose to be lazy thinkers; they don't have to be lazy thinkers. I certainly wouldn't decend to the level of condecension as to assume that American politics and identity politics are so complicated that they can't be conceptualized separately by black people. FOH with that.


Oh, my bad brotha. You are right. We don't understand the differences. We just gone vote for the darkest one or the one who can dance the best or spit some slang.

 

[Rembrandt Brown]

Votes and policy are pretty straightforward. Hate to burst your bubble, but despite the rhetoric, her voting record is more progressive than your guy. How you vote matters. And it's not just one method that ranks her that high. She was literally known nearly 20 years ago as a progressive prosecutor. History aside, and despite where she ending up on various sides of criminal justice decisions before hitting the Senate, she votes more progressive than any other presidential candidate.

What gets voted on is only part of the picture. If Sanders isn't pushing bills that won't get anywhere, the bills he introduces are reflective of what he sought to advance within the confines of what is accepted as "liberal." The compromise bullshit advanced by milquetoast liberals might earn them points in an algorithm but if that's as far as they're willing to go when Sanders is advocating going farther on every major progressive issue, it's myopic and just plain self-evidently wrong to represent that as a full picture.

 

[Spectrum]

So what you are implying is that black people don't have the critical and analytical thinking skills to be able to distinguish between being pandered to, socially constricted and shamed into only seeing identity, and recognizing social conditions and ideals that best represent them as well as everyone else around them and applying that analysis to candidates' claims and then voting accordingly.
I beg to differ. Speak for your damn self. The illusion of said inextricability is what keeps us stuck in this two-party system. People choose to be lazy thinkers; they don't have to be lazy thinkers. I certainly wouldn't decend to the level of condecension as to assume that American politics and identity politics are so complicated that they can't be conceptualized by black people. FOH with that.


Oh, my bad brotha. You are right. We don't understand the differences. We just gone vote for the darkest one or the one who can dance the best or spit some slang.

He can speak for himself, but I took as him talking about extracting the most policy-wise that impacts the groups you identify with... and thus, yourself.

 

[Spectrum]

What gets voted on is only part of the picture. If Sanders isn't pushing bills that won't get anywhere, the bills he introduces are reflective of what he sought to advance within the confines of what is accepted as "liberal." The compromise bullshit advanced by milquetoast liberals might earn them points in an algorithm but if that's as far as they're willing to go when Sanders is advocating going farther on every major progressive issue, it's myopic and just plain self-evidently wrong to represent that as a full picture.

What else are you going to judge it on? If it's legislation, at some point, doesn't it have to be on what actually passes? For instance, Bernie Sanders has a lot of progressive rhetoric, but what of his ideas have been proposed and passed into legislation?
So, what's the most objective way of judging it?... "ideas"...

That's where Warren shits all over Bernie in the progressive movement. She actually has a record.

Back to the original point. When you're a senator, what you vote on matters almost more than anywhere else.. approving nominees, voting on legislation, writing legislation, etc is pretty much 90 of what they do.

Because the voting record puts her as progressive, you're now arguing it doesn't matter. I'm sure you probably just assumed she didn't have the progressive voting record. Most people don't know it. I was surprised by it myself. That's why I said she had a branding issue.

 

[forcesteeler]

Post me ONE poll that ever had Mondale ahead at any point during the GE... one? You're a walking right-wing talking about. It's like you're posting all the stuff they post on their sites to make themselves feel like they aren't in as bad of a position as they really are.

And I'm sure that Reagan's growing economy and lowering unemployment rate is so congruent to the current situation of possibly 40% negative growth for Q2 and 40M unemployed. Stupid You're reaching for anything you can find to help you out without the ability to even under the context of it. That example hurts you. It doesn't help you.

Polls from 1984 were much different than today. Trump has a lot of silent voters that will not admit they support trump.

Look at the House Race from 5 days ago

The Polls Even Got the CA-25 Polls Wrong. They had Democrats Winning by 1 point. Only to lose by 12 points





Actual Polls


look for images online


Election 2016

 

[Rembrandt Brown]

What else are you going to judge it on? If it's legislation, at some point, doesn't it have to be on what actually passes? For instance, Bernie Sanders has a lot of progressive rhetoric, but what of his ideas have been proposed and passed into legislation?
So, what's the most objective way of judging it?... "ideas"...

That's where Warren shits all over Bernie in the progressive movement. She actually has a record.

Back to the original point. When you're a senator, what you vote on matters almost more than anywhere else.. approving nominees, voting on legislation, writing legislation, etc is pretty much 90 of what they do.

You do know that sometimes people vote against bills because they don't go far enough? This type of scoring is fundamentally flawed.

I haven't looked at the distinctions they make between Sanders and Harris. Have you? I'd be curious to do so. But this fails to meet the smell test.

 

[MistaPhantastic]

You don't need to mention Trump's name to vote for any Dem candidate. The GOP has a history (3 straight presidents) of ruining a great economy they got handed to them. A vote for Biden, if nothing else, is a vote for a responsible POTUS who won't ruin the economy... actually a vote for Biden to recover another ruined economy by the GOP. A vote for Biden is a return to government that isn't built completely on self-delaing. A vote for Biden is a vote a trusted leader where we can rebuild our partnership with the international community.

Your whole posting history is nothing but pro-GOP talking points.

Well said.
I'm not sure he's up to the task of that last one but its damn sure not going to get done with Trump in office.
Trying to turn the U.S. into a separatist country has been one of 45s worst deeds. The sheer arrogance of it has made the world turn on us. It seems like everybody wants to see us fail. Most people here are not like that. Foreign affairs is one of the President's biggest jobs. I think Biden plays well with others. Somebody...not calling any names....does not.

 

[Spectrum]

Polls from 1984 were much different than today. Trump has a lot of silent voters that will not admit they support trump.

Look at the House Race from 5 days ago

The Polls Even Got the CA-25 Polls Wrong. They had Democrats Winning by 1 point. Only to lose by 12 points





Actual Polls


look for images online


Election 2016

I keep telling you about "cherrypicking"

This is a poll in MARCH already showing Garcia with a 4 point lead and that trend just continued. There were articles written weeks out saying the GOP was getting that seat back. Dems were already playing it down in April because they knew what to expect

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000170-f5c6-d588-ab77-fdd79f1a0000

He was a great candidate in a conservative district right after a scandal that forced a special election. It was an outlier race. Didn't change most of the other races where the GOP has been consistently getting smashed.

 

[Spectrum]

You do know that sometimes people vote against bills because they don't go far enough? This type of scoring is fundamentally flawed.

I haven't looked at the distinctions they make between Sanders and Harris. Have you? I'd be curious to do so. But this fails to meet the smell test.

Or they don't show up at all like Bernie didn't (for various reasons like with the FBI Browser data warrant bill). I understand the dynamics of voting. Based on the most objective way to evaluate them in terms of progressive policy, Kamala measures up well. The rest is just noise. I'm not a Kamala fan either and went in assuming she'd be on the other end of it because of the way she's been rebranded by the media because of her criminal justice background... where others like Amy Klobuchar got a complete pass

 

[Rembrandt Brown]

Or they don't show up at all like Bernie didn't (for various reasons like with the FBI Browser data warrant bill).

I was very disappointed by that.

I never saw any explanation offered.

 

[forcesteeler]

I keep telling you about "cherrypicking"

He was a great candidate in a conservative district right after a scandal that forced a special election. It was an outlier race. Didn't change most of the other races where the GOP has been consistently getting smashed.

The media was hyping a blue wave. They won by 8 points the last time and because they said because of the Virus,

and trumps incompetents Democrats will be motivated to vote.

Two Special Elections On Tuesday Could Hint At Another Blue Wave In 2020

Former Vice President Joe Biden leads President Trump in most early polls, Democrats are leading polls of the generic congressional ballot by 2018-level margins…

fivethirtyeight.com

 

[Spectrum]

Well said.
I'm not sure he's up to the task of that last one but its damn sure not going to get done with Trump in office.
Trying to turn the U.S. into a separatist country has been one of 45s worst deeds. The sheer arrogance of it has made the world turn on us. It seems like everybody wants to see us fail. Most people here are not like that. Foreign affairs is one of the President's biggest jobs. I think Biden plays well with others. Somebody...not calling any names....does not.

Biden wouldn't even be in my top 5. I've never wanted him as the nominee. However, I can understand why many people do.

 

[Spectrum]

I was very disappointed by that.

I never saw any explanation offered.

Yeah man. I was like wtf.. that's crazy man... and the Dems should be coordinating because there is no way that should have gotten through. I know sometimes Senators miss votes for various reasons but I was like..come on bernie..you about to make switch browsers and use VPN and cloaking software

 

[MistaPhantastic]

What gets voted on is only part of the picture. If Sanders isn't pushing bills that won't get anywhere, the bills he introduces are reflective of what he sought to advance within the confines of what is accepted as "liberal." The compromise bullshit advanced by milquetoast liberals might earn them points in an algorithm but if that's as far as they're willing to go when Sanders is advocating going farther on every major progressive issue, it's myopic and just plain self-evidently wrong to represent that as a full picture.

Man, Trump just spent TRILLIONS.
I know you ain't talking about spending.
What Bernie was proposing made sense. The hard part was fully understanding how long the initial expense could/would be recouped.
Now, after more bailouts AND a $2.2T stimulus, republicans CAN NOT pull the conservative card. Nope.
Trump is not a conservative.
I said this years ago. I cringed at the spending. He could have just halted debt instead of writing blank checks but ya boy had to pay off his mob debts.
Either way, when all is said and done, people are either voting for him or Biden or not at all. We'll see in November.
Either way, I'mma be alright. I'm a black man in America. None of these fools give a damn about me. Always hustled; always hustling. Fuck 'em all.

 

[Spectrum]

The media was hyping a blue wave. They won by 8 points the last time and because they said because of the Virus,

That's been a consistent theme since 2018. Every race isn't going to be a blue wave. However, the stars a lining up to be another blue wave in 2020. The special elections since the massive dem wave in 2018 have all generally swung to the dems... sometimes in historic fashion.

You said you read GOP sources... do you read what they're consultants are publicly saying now. They've gone from promoting a red wave way back in 2018, to tempering expectations of taking back a few seats, to not conceding that the terrain is "difficult" right now in the House. The polling is so bad right now that you have GOP operatives publicly conceding that even the Senate is in place..which was unthinkable in 2018 considering the map.

 

[Spectrum]

Man, Trump just spent TRILLIONS.
I know you ain't talking about spending.
What Bernie was proposing made sense.

Ironically, the entire corona-virus shit validated pretty much all of Bernie's policy positions. Politics and timing is a bitch. Had the coronavirus hit two months early, he likely have won the whole thing. All of his policy positions that seemed extreme are gonna be on the plate because of this current economic/health disaster.

You look at the polling data now and people are learning towards M4A in a way that would have been seen as some wild socialist plot (ironic considering how americans love SOCIAL security). Universal income is starting to make sense to people after 40M are without checks now.

His "extreme" progressive ideas are mainstreaming right now.

Anyone read the long article about how Covid-19 is changing Biden's theme from center-left politics to now reimagining an FRD type administration? man timing/luck is a muthafucka