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Joe Biden should select a progressive woman for VP, not Stacey Abrams

I don't know shit about Abrhams, don't like Biden that much, don't trust Harris's prosecuting ass AT ALL and I slightly question Warren's true motives.



But I'm voting democrat because there ain't no way in hell I'd vote for Trump. I don't rely on politicians for anything, so it really is a "Fuck Trump and the Trumptards" vote in my case. He has been a horrible asshole of a President.
 
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Spectrum said:
On paper it sounds great, but you can't do it. Bernie is too old. You need a VP that can also become POTUS because of the age of the
presidential candidate. It was a mistake for Hillary not to choose Bernie in 2016 but that was never going to happen because of the way they campaigned against each other. It would equally a mistake to get Bernie on the ticket this year. Right now, Biden needs to get black people and women out to vote. Bernie doesn't help with either.
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COINTELPRO said:
I knew about that mass shooting for awhile but did not say anything, hoping this nightmare would go away.

We need term limits, if you serve in one administration at cabinet or VP, you can't run for President or be involved with the Party leadership. We are about to have 50 years of the Obama administration which is crazy. He already got his Secretary of Labor running the DNC. His VP will be President.

We need to bring in fresh blood and purge them out. Through his proxies, he is trying to be President for Life.
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very good points
 
MistaPhantastic said:
I was speaking of the voices demanding representation. Dems are weak as shit now. Joe is old school politics. Dems are trying to re-write their image into the PC party and that's where things fall apart.
None of those old fuckers should be in the running. Its just the baby boomer generation's refusal to step down. They hate relinquishing power. They seem to believe they are the only ones capable of making sound decisions.
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Maybe the problem is that the younger generations refuse to take power because they are waiting to be handed power. No one hands over power.
 
zod16 said:
I honestly think that had Biden not messed up and said he was going to select a woman, we would be talking about the strength of the Biden/Sanders "cabinet of rivals" unity ticket. :lol: As much as I like Warren, it has to be a Black woman. The problem, as you correctly point out, is that the available choices are inexperienced (Abrams) or too establishment (Rice, Harris). The elephant in the room is that I have seen zero enthusiasm for Harris from Black women and I think it has do with her Husband and the Mayor Brown thing. On paper, Harris or Booker should have easily walked away with the nomination and they didn't for a reason. However this ends up playing out, I am ready for the Orange idiot to be gone so I will back the ticket regardless...
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Biden and Sanders are about 150+ years old combined. When asked about a Sanders/Biden ticket in an interview a few months ago,Sanders said something like,"Two old white guys? Nah."
 
Rezn8 said:
I personally thought Elizabeth Warren was far and away the best presidential candidate in the 2020 field. In terms of vision for the country, intellectual ability, progressive ideas for the future, and having a history of fighting on behalf of working people and actually getting some things accomplished (i.e. her work with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau) nobody else really came close to her, in my mind. I like the idea of having someone with that ability and that track record one step away from the big chair, especially with Joe Biden, who healthwise reminds me of Ronald Reagan in his second term when he was clearly displaying early onset alzheimers. Plus, we are going to need progressive voters in November, and we already have a problem with Joe Biden at the top of the ticket, who frankly, they hate almost as much as Donald Trump. At least with Elizabeth Warren, you have a shot at getting more of this group, even though they are salty with her right now for not backing Bernie. Yet, she is undeniably progressive. They will not, on the other hand, support a Kamala Harris, who they view as a corporate-controlled, establishment puppet.

One problem now is the Black female intelligentsia has wrapped their arms around Stacey Abrams, and they are already putting great pressure on Biden to make her his choice. She is undeniably talented and very capable, but, other than getting cheated by Brian Kemp, what does anyone out of Georgia really know about her? I just don't think she is what we need right now. Other than Elizabeth Warren, the other name I like A LOT is Susan Rice, even though the progressive camp would probably view her much like they view Kamala Harris.
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Lets be clear about something. There are progressives and then there are people who are strictly Bernie Sanders supporters (They are not one and the same). Heck there are Bernie Sanders supporters who wouldn't support Elizabeth Warren either.
The same way that there are Trump supporters who wouldn't simply just support some other Republican (Tea Party types).
Though I agree that Warren would for me give a balance to the ticket.
 
forcesteeler said:
There is this myth that if democrats put a black person on the ticket that they will come out in droves.

This is not 2008. Most blacks I talk too are not even hyped about this election. Also I don’t hear to many blacks complain about trump like they did in 2017 or 2018. It seems like after 2019 shit died down. especially since they got there $1200 check. Most blacks that I talk too is like “whatever”

I guess they feel like nothing is going to change in there neighborhood or life. But we will see if they can get blacks too turn out like in 2008. I highly doubt it. Biden is just to boring and uninspiring.
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The only thing I agree with you on is the myth that if a black person is on the ticket. Then it would cause black folk to come out in droves.
There wasn't even excitement from black folk when Obama first started his run for president.
 
Spectrum said:
I don't think that's what it really is though. It's "I'm your base (especially black woman) so put someone on the ticket that I feel can understand my
socio-economic problems and relate that into policy". It's "there are black people and women who are just as talented and capable of winning votes and governing" as white men and we want them on the ticket. That's the "Obama coalition". Black women aren't saying put Kamala on the ticket only because she's black. They're saying she's just as capable (and maybe even moreso) and Warren, etc and if you want us to come out in big numbers (and dems win when black folks come out in big numbers) get someone like me on the ticket.

They're not saying pick me because I'm black or a woman. They're saying don't ignore me because I'm black or a woman. I don't understand how yall don't get that. The Dems courted more capable black candidates (mainly women) and then generally more women and they fucking washed the GOP in the midterms. If you want these groups to show up, court people on the tickets that understand their issues. That's all it is. I'm shocked the way you're framing it. The Rooney Rule isn't about just getting black coaches. It's about capable black coaches not getting opportunities and lessor qualified white counterparts do.

I'm surprised that a black person would even frame it like that.
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Are black women saying put Kamala on the ticket?
 
aldoogie said:
That governor from Michigan Gretchen Whitmer might get a long look.
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Nah she was highly considered before. But after the extensive state lockdowns, She pissed off a lot of people in Michigan so I doubt the democrats will go with her anymore.

The democrats elites want Kamala Harris but she has way too much baggage, plus she has no real black base anyways And She talked a lot of shit about Joe Biden during the TV primaries. The things she said is perfect for a Trump AD.

When Kamala Harris attacked Joe Biden that is when her polls started to drop. She never learned anything from Barack Obama.

You should never raise your voice and viciously attack a white person. Especially a older white person It’s not a good look.

Even Trump as much of a asshole he is and bully he is. He knows he can’t go too hard on Joe Biden . Voters might take pitty on him, if you go too hard.
 
Rezn8 said:
I personally thought Elizabeth Warren was far and away the best presidential candidate in the 2020 field. In terms of vision for the country, intellectual ability, progressive ideas for the future, and having a history of fighting on behalf of working people and actually getting some things accomplished (i.e. her work with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau) nobody else really came close to her, in my mind. I like the idea of having someone with that ability and that track record one step away from the big chair, especially with Joe Biden, who healthwise reminds me of Ronald Reagan in his second term when he was clearly displaying early onset alzheimers. Plus, we are going to need progressive voters in November, and we already have a problem with Joe Biden at the top of the ticket, who frankly, they hate almost as much as Donald Trump. At least with Elizabeth Warren, you have a shot at getting more of this group, even though they are salty with her right now for not backing Bernie. Yet, she is undeniably progressive. They will not, on the other hand, support a Kamala Harris, who they view as a corporate-controlled, establishment puppet.

One problem now is the Black female intelligentsia has wrapped their arms around Stacey Abrams, and they are already putting great pressure on Biden to make her his choice. She is undeniably talented and very capable, but, other than getting cheated by Brian Kemp, what does anyone out of Georgia really know about her? I just don't think she is what we need right now. Other than Elizabeth Warren, the other name I like A LOT is Susan Rice, even though the progressive camp would probably view her much like they view Kamala Harris.
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Agreed.
 
BKF said:
Are black women saying put Kamala on the ticket?
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Anecdotally, yes. I see it. Some are demanding it. However, practically every candidate still has supporters that want them on the ticket. Black women understand they vote at the highest rate for Dems and they want representation. She definitely has a movement.

Personally, I wasn't feeling her or Booker. All politicians pander but they just project it all too often...especially Booker.
 
unknownsoldier said:
Which VP can deliver the mid-west? Clyburn delivered the Black vote for Biden, so he doesn't need a Black VP...that vote is secured. He has to pick someone who can secure votes they lost last time. They roughed up the MI governor, leaving Amy as perhaps the only choice.
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Biden is going great in the midwest right now. People always underestimate the black vote though. It's not about getting a high percentage of that shit.. the dems will always get it.. it's about driving our more of that vote. A black person on the ticket will definitely do that.
 
aldoogie said:
That governor from Michigan Gretchen Whitmer might get a long look.
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Biden is so far out ahead in Michigan that it's likely not necessary. Unless something game-changing happens, Michigan and Pennsylvania are already off the board for Trump.

I don't know how well Whitmer would play in the voting blocs they need to get out in other states in the midwest. On paper she's fine.. and she'd definitely help Biden expand his lead with women.

She's polling very well in Michigan too despite Trump's tactics of having his 100 crazy ass followers storm the capital every other week.
 
Spectrum said:
Biden is going great in the midwest right now. People always underestimate the black vote though. It's not about getting a high percentage of that shit.. the dems will always get it.. it's about driving our more of that vote. A black person on the ticket will definitely do that.
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Nope I think the biggest shocker of the election 2020 when I look at the data will be low black turnout among black men.

Black men have been trending away from the Democratic Party. Now the good news is that black women will still vote 95% with the democrats. But I can bet you cashapp that 2020 will be one of the lowest turnout among that group.

I starting seeing the trends in the 2018 senate race with Ted Cruz when he won a lot of black men support then any other republican.

Also Joe Biden is going to have to up his support with Latinos. It’s one of the reason why the GOP Republicans last week was able to flip California house seat CA-25 By 12 points when the democrats in 2018 won it by 8.

Joe Biden does terrible with Latinos. He needs to start campaigning and sitting in your basement is not going to help.


 
Spectrum said:
81% of black men voted for Hillary Clinton and Kaine. You aren't selling me that Biden and Harris would do worst.
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Democrats need at least 91-93% or (Obama Levels) to be able to be competitive. I personally don’t think Joe Biden is a Candiate that will make black men rush out to the polls.

I think he needs to do more on how he is going to address there issues. Just staying Trump is bad is not going to bring niggas out. Especially when trump has not be going after black men like he is with other groups.
 
forcesteeler said:
I starting seeing the trends in the 2018 senate race with Ted Cruz when he won a lot of black men support then any other republican.
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83% of black men voted against Ted Cruz in 2018.
What percentage of black men voted against Ted Cruz in 2012? You probably don't even know.

And black people in texas trend more conservative than the rest of the country in general.
Cruz barely won in Texas by 2 points in 2018 and he won by 18 points in his previous race. That's not a good trendline.
 
forcesteeler said:
Democrats need at least 91-93% or (Obama Levels) to be able to be competitive.
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Democrats don't have to worry much about the percentage of the black vote. It's all about GOTV.
It's the GOP that has the biggest problem as Trump is bleeding his most dependable voting bloc... old whites. That's why he's getting smashed in the battleground states right now.
 
Spectrum said:
It's the GOP that has the biggest problem as Trump is bleeding his most dependable voting bloc... old whites. That's why he's getting smashed in the battleground states right now.
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I would have believes you until the last 2 elections that happened especially after the pandemic. When the GOP flipped CA-25 by 12 points. I no longer believe they are bleeding older voters.

If they can flip a California seat in a time when trump is the more damaged. Then they will do ok in swing states.

NY times articles writes a great piece on it.

www.nytimes.com

Opinion | California’s Warning Signs for Democrats (Published 2020)

The party needs to figure out how to adapt to post-coronavirus politics to hold on to the seats that it flipped in 2018.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
forcesteeler said:
I would have believes you until the last 2 elections that happened especially after the pandemic. When the GOP flipped CA-25 by 12 points. I no longer believe they are bleeding older voters.

If they can flip a California seat in a time when trump is the more damaged. Then they will do ok in swing states.

NY times articles writes a great piece on it.

www.nytimes.com

Opinion | California’s Warning Signs for Democrats (Published 2020)

The party needs to figure out how to adapt to post-coronavirus politics to hold on to the seats that it flipped in 2018.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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I've told you about cherrypicking.

Dems flipped more special elections seats since the 2018 midterms. One seat in a heavy conservative district with an ousted candidate is an outlier and not a trend. You're a hard-core republican because you push ALL the talking points.
 
yureeka9 said:
Exactly. If her support with black men was shored up she wouldn't have dropped out of the primary so early.
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You don't win early primaries with the black vote. You have to win white voters in the way the dem primaries/caucuses are set up. She lost after she attacked Biden because she lost white voters. She wasn't even on the ballot anymore once the states with black populations came up.
 
Spectrum said:
You don't win early primaries with the black vote. You have to win white voters in the way the dem primaries/caucuses are set up. She lost after she attacked Biden because she lost white voters. She wasn't even on the ballot anymore once the states with black populations came up.
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Then why not appeal to a powerful "black man" like James Clyburn for some early support? I'm sure his early endorsement would have gone a long way with white voters. Even crackers in Iowa and New Hampshire know that the road to the democratic nomination runs through South Carolina.
 
Spectrum said:
I've told you about cherrypicking.

Dems flipped more special elections seats since the 2018 midterms. One seat in a heavy conservative district with an ousted candidate is an outlier and not a trend. You're a hard-core republican because you push ALL the talking points.
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Again you just proved my point. Use common sense.

Democrats won that district by 8 points in 2018.

The republicans flipped it back by 12 points in 2020.

Anybody with common sense will know that if 2020 was a good indication on Democratic chances with swing voters. It’s not looking to good when the GOP are taking back seats and they won by 12 points. It should be closer Or at least close. Where not talking about Alabama. Where talking about a district that voted for democrats and then switch back to republican.

 
forcesteeler said:
Again you just proved my point. Use common sense.
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You don't know what cherry-picking in, huh?
Either you're stupid or disingenuous (or both).

One election isn't a trend. It's just one data point.
Since flipping 40 seats in 2018 in the mid-term election, the dems continued to flip gop seats blue
Dems washed the GOP in Penn and Wisconsin: https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/how-democrats-won-big-in-wisconsins-primary-elections
www.inquirer.com

The blue wave crashed down on Pennsylvania again, as voters from Philly to Delaware County turned left

The political forces that shaped last year’s midterm elections showed no signs of abating Tuesday, as voters turned on Republicans and establishment Democrats.
www.inquirer.com www.inquirer.com

However, you think ONE flipped seat in a heavily conservative district in a special election where a dem candidate had to resign in scandal outweighs all the GOP losses.

You're a walking logical fallacy.
 
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yureeka9 said:
Then why not appeal to a powerful "black man" like James Clyburn for some early support? I'm sure his early endorsement would have gone a long way with white voters. Even crackers in Iowa and New Hampshire know that the road to the democratic nomination runs through South Carolina.
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How could she appeal to a race she wasn't in? She didn't make it to South Carolina. No one gives a damn about Clyburn in Iowa. When she attacked Biden, that was a wrap for her with white voters..especially older white voters. You can't make it to the South Carolina primaries without strong white vote support. The whole process (starting with Iowa) leans towards candidates that appeal to white voters. It's also why Bernie came out strong early
and then got washed later.

Not really a fan of Kamala but shit had nothing to do with lack of black support. That debate where she attacked Biden did her in... everyone understimated how much support biden truly had.
 
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Spectrum said:
You don't know what cherry-picking in, huh?
Either you're stupid or disingenuous (or both).

One election isn't a trend. It's just one data point.
Since flipping 40 seats in 2018 in the mid-term election, the dems continued to flip gop seats blue
Dems washed the GOP in Penn and Wisconsin: https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/how-democrats-won-big-in-wisconsins-primary-elections
www.inquirer.com

The blue wave crashed down on Pennsylvania again, as voters from Philly to Delaware County turned left

The political forces that shaped last year’s midterm elections showed no signs of abating Tuesday, as voters turned on Republicans and establishment Democrats.
www.inquirer.com www.inquirer.com

However, you think ONE flipped seat in a heavily conservative district in a special election where a dem candidate had to resign in scandal outweighs all the GOP losses.

You're a walking logical fallacy.
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Someone who posts a video of Tim Pool is both stupid, and disingenuous
 

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