Who was dude sitting outside of her house that she had to pay off? One of the kids father?
HBO Series: Watchmen (2019) (drops 10/20/19) Thread
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Why didn't the guy shoot her in the face?
Did no one not see that Topher had them lego's levitating?
Did no one not see that Topher had them lego's levitating?
As a pre requisite, I think ppl gotta read about the watchmen comic storyline b4 watching this show. It helped me alot with understanding the show.
It’s actually real. It’s call psychological operations and US military does it a lot. Dropping leaflets and pamphlets telling you about the good life. Beat you in your mind
The goggles are from the original Night Owls tech. Viedt is a fucking madman, always has been and always will be. Scum, like Trump
Could be an obsession. Dr. Manhattan said he left to possibly create life. He also made the smartest man in the world question himself before he left.
after watching ep 2 - I've got to say: nah - there is nothing wrong with scenes from the comic being posted
this show is a direct sequel to the books not prequel, reimagined nor parallel
posting dialog from the comic can't spoil this new story
it will only add depth and reference to the discussion
It's not that it's right or wrong it's that we don't know. We don't know what call backs or where it's heading its a short season
So holding off a few more weeks and waiting until its done to post comic strips isn't that high of a task.
It's a real thing that happened in every war. Nazi's and otherwise. "Black man this is not your fight" is the sentiment around the world.
So it's in her blood. The way she is. Confirmed.
He upheld the rich Klan tradition that's the only truth there is. If he was a descendant of someone from the klan but didn't value them, that robe wouldn't be hanging in the safe place like it was.
He upheld the rich Klan tradition that's the only truth there is. If he was a descendant of someone from the klan but didn't value them, that robe wouldn't be hanging in the safe place like it was.
Also looks like white people are salty because america paid reparations to victims of racist violence. that's why white people got NADA.
Axis Sally and Toyko Rose.
huh? that's literally makes the same sense as saying: youtube clips of Empire Strikes Back could possibly spoil the Rise of Skywalker
since the writers and EP said this series is a sequel -of the story in the book
its impossible there can be spoilers in the book...
I get some people want to experience shows/movies spoiler free, but why not just stay out of threads discussing the show/movie until you've seen it for yourself.
In this instance I agree that its unlikely knowledge of the previous material will not spoil the show. The team stated that they made the series so that anyone could enjoy it without being a fan of the old work. So far it just seems like a story that uses elements of the Watchmen world, but truthfully dont seem to tie into the old material much yet.
Ozymandias' scenes fore shadow that his story will be continuing where the comic ended... his own decision/plan and last conversations with Dr Manhattan motivates everything he is working on
Based off your comment, it may be in the audience interest to know the backstory that lead to the current events of the show. Right now outside of Rorschach the original series doesn't seem to relate yet.i hope it stays that way overall.
Floating magnet toy I believe
What are those pills Will says he uses for “memory”? If the mere mention didn’t spotlight them, the way the camera lingers on them would.
Topher, played by Dylan Schombing only 12 years old, Schombing is no stranger to TV. The son of actor Jason Schombing, who starred in the 2009 film version of Watchmen.
Same question I had. Probably was Judd himself, or he had some involvement and spared her. I'm sure it'll get answered.
I had assumed that it was magnetism used on that builders set and until now, I thought that was a girl.
They mad as hell about that on this show. I saw the sign the guy was holding that said "You got a sorry but now you want a handout too?" You know CAC's in real life would do the exact same thing.
So did I, in the back of my mind while trying to figure out who's kids they were.
No the biological father to all those kids was her cop partner, and we find out in this episode he was killed on the White Night. That also answers the question from episode one as to why she & her husband have 3 white kids. They adopted her former partner's kids...and dude on the porch was more than likely their grandfather.
I know that she's one of the central characters and is strong, etc. but geeze, this relationship is a complete role reversal in their marriage. Her husband is a straight "Mr. Mom."
Reparation checks hit like that.
I disagree
He's a dude she handed a gun and knew what to do with it
She's just literally a descendant from a super hero
Another outstanding episode...
I had no idea that Watchmen would turn into a lowkey Black Show.
I had no idea that Watchmen would turn into a lowkey Black Show.
That was a little known fact... I ended up schooling my girl on it.
I really love how this show is showing Black history that kats have forgotten about.
Did he need to be told to defend the home front? It's not to say that he isn't a man, but I'm taking note of how they interact.
Even outside of the demands of the job that she does, it feels as though he doesn't make any decisions or have any input.
I say that while also realizing that it's not HIS character that has to be developed either but in contrast to Judd's marriage...
We're already 2 episodes in and I have yet to see an op ed piece from some butthurt CAC about how the show focuses too much on race or how people just want to be entertained instead of getting a history lesson or any other excuse they give. You know how they hate it when the light gets shined on their misdeeds.
Interesting theory.
After Two Episodes of ‘Watchmen’, It’s Pretty Clear Who the Man in the Wheelchair Is
October 28, 2019 at 7:44 am
Written by Matt Goldberg
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“Do you believe I could lift 200 pounds?” a mysterious man (Louis Gossett Jr.) in a wheelchair asks Angela Abar (Regina King) in the first episode of Watchmen. “Yes, I believe you could,” says Angela, trying to politely extricate herself from an awkward interaction. Later, this same man turns out to be Will Reeves, the boy from the opening scene of Watchmen who claims that he strung up Judd Crawford (Don Johnson), the Tulsa Chief of Police. In an unofficial interrogation, he tells Angela that there’s too much to tell her and that giving her all the information at once would make her head explode. At the end of the episode, he’s mysteriously rescued and we still don’t really know who he is.
Except the second episode, “Martial Feats of Comanche Horsemanship”, pretty much tells us he’s the superhero Hooded Justice.
Keep in mind that this is just a working theory, but it opens up some rich thematic avenues that seem to be supported by touches on the plot. As for the evidence that he’s Hooded Justice (or was, anyway), we can first look at his outfit. The Hooded Justice we see in American Hero Story, Watchmen’s show-within-a-show, depicts Hooded Justice in a red-and-purple outfit much like he was in the comics. Whenever we see Will in the present day, he’s clothed in the same color scheme. Additionally, the first scene of the show is a hooded figure chasing after a thief. The hooded figure turns out to be the heroic marshal Bass Reeves (Will, a man who lost his family at an early age, may have also taken the last name of his hero or he may be a descendant of Reeves). Finally, the broken noose that’s a part of Hooded Justice’s costume could be a potent bit of symbolism in a show that’s trying to upend depictions of racial justice and injustice to make us better considered how they’re implemented in our world.
Of course, it’s easy to counter that Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons’ book doesn’t support this. Hollis Mason’s book suggests that Hooded Justice is circus strongman Rolf Müller, there’s the retconning from Before Watchmen, and even in the graphic novel you can see that the skin color around his eyes is white. So how could that be a black man? The hint may be in the use of American Hero Story.
If showrunner Damon Lindelof is headed where I think he’s heading, then he’s made a clever upending of expectations by having Hooded Justice be Will Reeves. In terms of the timeline, he’s the right age since he’s a part of the superhero group the Minutemen, which came together in 1939, 18 years after the Tulsa Race Massacre. But American Hero Story may be showing us how the myths we create end up erasing people of color because they’re a minority.
Again, go back to the first scene of the show, and the hero is revealed to be Bass Reeves. Bass Reeves was a real guy, and one with a pretty cool story. He was credited with arresting more than 3,000 felons and was the first black deputy U.S. marshal west of the Mississippi. He’s also been credited as the inspiration for The Lone Ranger, a white hero.
HBO’s Watchmen is getting right into the fray of contentious race issue in America, and part of that fray means looking at black erasure. In the world of Watchmen, there’s an entire museum devoted to the Tulsa Race Massacre and families of its victims are entitled to reparations for what they suffered. In the real world, the Tulsa Race Massacre was only recently added to the school curriculum in Oklahoma.
“We know the world is black and white,” Angela tells her son Topher (Dylan Schombing). “Martial Feats of Comanche Horsemanship” indicates that Angela has it half-right. The world is black-and-white, but white people have a vested interest in erasing the black part. In the world of Watchmen, that may not happen with the Tulsa Race Massacre, but it may be happening with Hooded Justice, a way for the show to indicate who gets to be a treated like a legacy superhero and whose past gets rewritten for the comfort of white audiences.
Of course, this is all just conjecture at this point, but if Will can lift 200 pounds, it’s probably because he was a superhero.
After Two Episodes of ‘Watchmen’, It’s Pretty Clear Who the Man in the Wheelchair Is
October 28, 2019 at 7:44 am
Written by Matt Goldberg
SHARE TWEET
“Do you believe I could lift 200 pounds?” a mysterious man (Louis Gossett Jr.) in a wheelchair asks Angela Abar (Regina King) in the first episode of Watchmen. “Yes, I believe you could,” says Angela, trying to politely extricate herself from an awkward interaction. Later, this same man turns out to be Will Reeves, the boy from the opening scene of Watchmen who claims that he strung up Judd Crawford (Don Johnson), the Tulsa Chief of Police. In an unofficial interrogation, he tells Angela that there’s too much to tell her and that giving her all the information at once would make her head explode. At the end of the episode, he’s mysteriously rescued and we still don’t really know who he is.
Except the second episode, “Martial Feats of Comanche Horsemanship”, pretty much tells us he’s the superhero Hooded Justice.
Keep in mind that this is just a working theory, but it opens up some rich thematic avenues that seem to be supported by touches on the plot. As for the evidence that he’s Hooded Justice (or was, anyway), we can first look at his outfit. The Hooded Justice we see in American Hero Story, Watchmen’s show-within-a-show, depicts Hooded Justice in a red-and-purple outfit much like he was in the comics. Whenever we see Will in the present day, he’s clothed in the same color scheme. Additionally, the first scene of the show is a hooded figure chasing after a thief. The hooded figure turns out to be the heroic marshal Bass Reeves (Will, a man who lost his family at an early age, may have also taken the last name of his hero or he may be a descendant of Reeves). Finally, the broken noose that’s a part of Hooded Justice’s costume could be a potent bit of symbolism in a show that’s trying to upend depictions of racial justice and injustice to make us better considered how they’re implemented in our world.
Of course, it’s easy to counter that Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons’ book doesn’t support this. Hollis Mason’s book suggests that Hooded Justice is circus strongman Rolf Müller, there’s the retconning from Before Watchmen, and even in the graphic novel you can see that the skin color around his eyes is white. So how could that be a black man? The hint may be in the use of American Hero Story.
If showrunner Damon Lindelof is headed where I think he’s heading, then he’s made a clever upending of expectations by having Hooded Justice be Will Reeves. In terms of the timeline, he’s the right age since he’s a part of the superhero group the Minutemen, which came together in 1939, 18 years after the Tulsa Race Massacre. But American Hero Story may be showing us how the myths we create end up erasing people of color because they’re a minority.
Again, go back to the first scene of the show, and the hero is revealed to be Bass Reeves. Bass Reeves was a real guy, and one with a pretty cool story. He was credited with arresting more than 3,000 felons and was the first black deputy U.S. marshal west of the Mississippi. He’s also been credited as the inspiration for The Lone Ranger, a white hero.
HBO’s Watchmen is getting right into the fray of contentious race issue in America, and part of that fray means looking at black erasure. In the world of Watchmen, there’s an entire museum devoted to the Tulsa Race Massacre and families of its victims are entitled to reparations for what they suffered. In the real world, the Tulsa Race Massacre was only recently added to the school curriculum in Oklahoma.
“We know the world is black and white,” Angela tells her son Topher (Dylan Schombing). “Martial Feats of Comanche Horsemanship” indicates that Angela has it half-right. The world is black-and-white, but white people have a vested interest in erasing the black part. In the world of Watchmen, that may not happen with the Tulsa Race Massacre, but it may be happening with Hooded Justice, a way for the show to indicate who gets to be a treated like a legacy superhero and whose past gets rewritten for the comfort of white audiences.
Of course, this is all just conjecture at this point, but if Will can lift 200 pounds, it’s probably because he was a superhero.
Keep in mind that the scene from last night was from WWI not II. Pre-nazis
Did he need to be told to defend the home front? It's not to say that he isn't a man, but I'm taking note of how they interact.
Even outside of the demands of the job that she does, it feels as though he doesn't make any decisions or have any input.
I say that while also realizing that it's not HIS character that has to be developed either but in contrast to Judd's marriage...
I can understand that sentiment but honestly I just see a dude who's supportive
He's been on screen like 10 minutes total all of it him being a good man