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Sports Debate: Stephen Curry vs. Magic Johnson: NBA's GOAT PG Debate Is Closer Than You Think

SpiritualPorn said:
As blasphemous as this might sound, I would start my all time team with Magic over Jordan. Jordan would be my second pick.

Steph is amazing however him being better than Magic is a millennial type of discussion.
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not blasphemous at all.

Magic = makes players around him better and can play all 5 spots on court.

Jordan = makes no players around him better and needs a system of specific players placed around him to win and can only play one spot on court.

It's a no brainer.

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Ming Fei Hong said:
Magic... and it's not even close. Steph is a more prolific scorer than Magic was. That's it.
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This... Steph is the greatest shooter in NBA history, and he happens to play PG. But that's really just a designation at this point. Playing point meant something different when Magic played than it does now.
 
Modern players will always be able to outplay the older generation. New players have access to better training and technology.
 
FOH with this shit.

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Let’s just say I’ll take Wardell stephanie curry JR out my avi until he wins a finals mvp

And @largebillsonlyplease wanted no smoke in this thread

I’m calling u out personally to defend your boy.

And you posters holla at me when Magic wins a unanimous MVP!!!!

That means it was players who they thought was better than magic

Nobody was better than Steph in 16

And I’ll take sports writers over all u bgol niggas 8 days a week.
 
shaddyvillethug said:
Let’s just say I’ll take Wardell stephanie curry JR out my avi until he wins a finals mvp

And @largebillsonlyplease wanted no smoke in this thread

I’m calling u out personally to defend your boy.

And you posters holla at me when Magic wins a unanimous MVP!!!!

That means it was players who they thought was better than magic

Nobody was better than Steph in 16

And I’ll take sports writers over all u bgol niggas 8 days a week.
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GTFOH! Magic in his rookie year in the finals was a better run than Steph’s. Magic brought more to the game than shooting...he was a true pg in a pf’s body. I’ve never seen anybody shoot like Steph, but nobody has ever had a total game like Magic...including Steph. This shit ain’t even worth discussing. And fuck these sports writer’s opinions...those motherfuckers were calling KD the best player until he got hurt in the finals and Kawhi won...those cat’s opinions have shown not to be worth shit...Magic is the best PG Ever!
 
Raeeb7 said:
So y'all expect Magic's ankles to hold up in them Converse Cons? Magic would get his nodoubt but Curry would damn sure get his as well.

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It’s all about the rules.

Handchecks prevents ankles from getting broke.

No handcheck, your ankles are getting broke.

So :dunno:
 
shaddyvillethug said:
Nobody was better than Steph in 2016

Nobody on the planet earth was playing better basketball.

73 wins?

Magic wishes
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Nobody was “shooting” like Steph that year...but nobody ever playing st that level? Get the fuck outta here with that dumb shit! There have been cats who played D at that same level before...wtf are you talking about...? GS got one more regular season win than Chicago’s 72-10 team, but MJ was playing lights out on both ends of the floor that year...Pip was shutting down everybody. GS was in a zone, but bruh, stop using the 73 win analytics to justify a bullshit argument for the greatest ever...hell, Russ is averaging triple doubles but he ain’t better than Wilt or The Big O. Steph may end up with more rings, but numbers don’t make the better player...Magic and Jordan had on court intangibles that cats, including Steph, are trying to emulate to get to their level. If Steph in 16 is the best ball you’ve ever seen, you ain’t seen enough hooping, bruh. He was great, but not the greatest
 
SpiritualPorn said:
Imagine Steph driving the lane against the Celtics in the era when Magic played.
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Steph wouldn't need to drive the lane. He'd be an assassin from 3. In fact, his 3pt shooting would open up the lane for scoring and more assists to his teammates. And with Curry's handles...he'd be unstoppable.
 
Curry is a phenomenal bball player. Once in a generation skill wise. He's not close to being better than magic.

Hell, to be just in the conversation he'd have to make next yrs finals with dlo and Draymond as his sidekicks. He does that and he'd be 1B instead of 2 in terms of all time point guards.
 
Mario.kart said:
What the fuck? Their first championship they didn’t have Durant. Curry and Klay were their best two. Why is it so hard to believe that they can’t do it again? They have basically the same starting core (once Klay returns). Also remember.... they won 73 games without Durant.

Magic’s teams had Kareem, Worthy, Scott. And everyone. Cmon... let’s at least be fair in this discussion
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They lot the finals MVP from that year. They lost that good bench they had. Its different now
 
Mario.kart said:
What the fuck? Their first championship they didn’t have Durant. Curry and Klay were their best two. Why is it so hard to believe that they can’t do it again? They have basically the same starting core (once Klay returns). Also remember.... they won 73 games without Durant.

Magic’s teams had Kareem, Worthy, Scott. And everyone. Cmon... let’s at least be fair in this discussion
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C’mon bruh...really. Let’s see, the Lakers didn’t get Scott until they realized that Norm Nixon couldn’t play the 2 so they traded for Scott, who was a rookie when they got him, so his potential was still in question...they drafted Worthy in 83...now, these are 2 players that weren’t on Magic’s first 2 Championship teams...by time Magic got to LA, Kareem was 32, Spencer Haywood was declining, Norm Nixon was playing out of position, and Jamal Wilkes was on the decline. Magic won 2 championships with that roster...Michael Cooper was their bench at that point, and Magic beat the Celtics, with their HOF front line, and my Sixers with Doc, Cheeks, Toney and Dawkins...

And, stop with the it was only Steph and Klay talk...they had a depth, bruh...Iguodala, who won finals MVP, Draymond, Livingston, Harrison Barnes, Speight’s, etc... you cats are making this conversation a complete joke with these comparisons. Let’s be very clear, Steph put up some great shooting numbers, and Magic could never shoot like that...but Magic’s game impacted more areas than Steph’s does...and comparing their stats doesn’t paint a complete picture of how good Magic was or how he affected each game...period! Y’all need to stop this dumb assed conversation NOW!!
 
woodchuck said:
Call me when Steph takes over for a HOF center during the Finals and win a ring, then we can discuss this.
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That's obviously more of a physical freak thing than a skill thing. No other top PG is tall enough to do that-- It doesn't mean Magic could've retired as a rookie and been the GOAT.

Steph Curry is the pound for pound greatest.
 
Rembrandt Brown said:
That's obviously more of a physical freak thing than a skill thing. No other top PG is tall enough to do that-- It doesn't mean Magic could've retired as a rookie and been the GOAT.

Steph Curry is the pound for pound greatest.
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I disagree. Full disclosure: I'm a HUGE Steph fan, BUT he has to be hidden on defense, and that doesn't lend itself to being the greatest pound for pound. Not only would I take Magic over him, but I'd take the Orlando era Penny over him. Penny doesn't get the props he deserves, IMO.
 
woodchuck said:
I disagree. Full disclosure: I'm a HUGE Steph fan, BUT he has to be hidden on defense, and that doesn't lend itself to being the greatest pound for pound. Not only would I take Magic over him, but I'd take the Orlando era Penny over him. Penny doesn't get the props he deserves, IMO.
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Big players are at a huge disadvantage (pun intended) when the conversation shifts to pound for pound. You're not saying you'd take Magic and 6'7 Penny over him pound for pound, are you?

Magic and Penny were both before my time so I'm not weighing in on this debate... Valid point about Steph's defense, though-- I've often wondered where I place him among offensive threats in NBA history and I've seen too many bad nights from him to put him up there with someone like Kobe. Consistency is important. However, at his best, I think he's the best offensive player I've ever seen and I don't think it is particularly close.
 
Rembrandt Brown said:
You're not saying you'd take Magic and 6'7 Penny over him pound for pound, are you?
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Yes. Not only did they play D, but they didn't depend so heavily on the pick & roll. Again, I'm a huge Curry fan, because he made you play D starting at half court, because it didn't matter where he was on the court, he'd burn you.
 
4 Dimensional said:
It’s all about the rules.

Handchecks prevents ankles from getting broke.

No handcheck, your ankles are getting broke.

So :dunno:
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Mike wasn't known for a handle, now you mean to tell me Curry couldnt get his shit off.

Magic was not athletic enough to defend this new generation of pg's Combo guards or whatever you want to call them.

You can only handcheck if you up on someone or posting up. Curry ain't letting that happen and he's running them dudes off 2,3 screens.

 
woodchuck said:
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Thanks--I watched but don't think highlight reels are worth all that much. For instance, your major point of distinction was defense and that's not often highlight reel material. (Except when it leads to offense, like in the #1 selection here-- which really could have used more context; was that the end of a game, half, etc? Super cool if it was a game winner but I doubt it was.)

Watching Magic or Penny's or Steph's top ten plays doesn't tell you that much about their total games, certainly not enough to say who was better than someone else. I think you'd have to spend a lot of time watching old games to really understand.
 
Rembrandt Brown said:
Big players are at a huge disadvantage (pun intended) when the conversation shifts to pound for pound. You're not saying you'd take Magic and 6'7 Penny over him pound for pound, are you?

Magic and Penny were both before my time so I'm not weighing in on this debate... Valid point about Steph's defense, though-- I've often wondered where I place him among offensive threats in NBA history and I've seen too many bad nights from him to put him up there with someone like Kobe. Consistency is important. However, at his best, I think he's the best offensive player I've ever seen and I don't think it is particularly close.
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Wait

How is Penny my time and not your time.

How old are u?
 
shaddyvillethug said:
Wait

How is Penny my time and not your time.

How old are u?
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I didn't spend years on here deceiving people about my age, "youngest in charge." :hmm:

I was born mid-80s, started watching basketball around 97, same year as Penny's big knee injury. He wasn't totally washed by then but I never saw him like I did MJ (last two Chicago years, watched a good number of Bulls games as a Knicks fan), Reggie, Starks, etc. I may have seen him but don't remember too much Magic or Suns in the "NBA on NBC" days.

I remember when a few people pointed out to me "Shaddy is actually older than you" when I used to make certain jokes.
 
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Penny was that dude but he's not in the conversation. He got hurt in 99 2000 and never was the same player again. He was done right as he was bout to get goin.
 
Raeeb7 said:
Penny was that dude but he's not in the conversation. He got hurt in 99 2000 and never was the same player again. He was done right as he was bout to get goin.
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Penny got that huge contract and rushed back from that injury to justify that contract. He was never the same. Reminds me of Kenny Anderson and his wrist.
 
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